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TOPIC: Really big stupid bug in CS4!
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/dbbeb65f5721de6c?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 7:41 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

That would be more like rude and mental, not rudimental. :D

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:02 am
From: "Phos±four dots"

It works both ways, if you like having fun toying with semantics and alternate word meanings.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:16 am
From: progress@adobeforums.com

Or alternative endings even.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:00 am
From: Buko

At post #20

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TOPIC: Found a bug and why your cursor selection is off 10 pixels.
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/cf0fb24bed0cad49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 7:45 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

Ooops, typo:

but they're still off the canvas, one pixel to the left.

I meant "one pixel to the right" (my other left). :/

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TOPIC: my droplet action keeps the original name of the first file used to
create the action
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/677b3559a7374d1a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 7:49 am
From: J_Maloney@adobeforums.com

Steve:

I don't think this works with PDFs. Tif, jpgs, psds work fine. But eps, ai and pdf seem to bring the "open with name" attribute to the open step (in CS3). You either get all files opened (and saved with overwrite) with that name, or all files opened and left unactioned. I would love for someone to confirm this, but doing a search in the forums find ~all image/action querries quickly solved and ~all pdf/action querries unsolved (except image processor, dr brown, etc - which get the poster no closer to a working droplet/action).

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TOPIC: Must Have Books/Videos
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/387775b629cc0f0e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 7:53 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

Heico Neumeyer's Photoshop Kompendium

The new edition, which covers Photoshop CS4, is to be released in Germany at the end of next month. Amazon.com (USA) has the old version (2206) for a whopping $180.55, used.

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TOPIC: color question
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/5e5581c2dcf8f906?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:02 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

stephanie,

Please understand that the folks here are trying to understand what you are seeing and what you are trying to do. In your posts #3 and #5, you clearly refer to commercial printing and unmanaged color. And CMYK and Pantone are not Web color associations. And we can't be sure you don't have your monitors properly calibrated (the most important first step to color management). And you seem to be assigning your (unique) monitor profiles to your work. I can't say for sure that I follow your workflow.

So, let me ask a few questions:
1. Are your monitors hardware calibrated to 6500°K with a 2.2 gamma?
2. How are the images in question going to be used? Commercial offset, desktop printer, Website, etc.?
3. What color space are you assigning or embedding or... with your images? Is it sRGB?
4. Which Pantone color are you using (and is it for coated, uncoated, or matte paper)? And if you are going for Web, why are you working with Pantone colors instead of RGB or hexadecimal?
5. Have you read G Ballard's excellent color management basics? Do you have any questions?
6. Can you post a link to a screen shot of your color setup if you are preparing art for print?
7. Can you post a link to a screenshot of the mismatched images and describe how you arrived at the colors?

You can go to the free <http://.www.pixentral.com> to upload the images in question, and copy the link (per pixentral's instructions) back here.

Thank you.

Neil

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:04 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

stephanie,

Please understand that the folks here are trying to understand what you are seeing and what you are trying to do. In your posts #3, #5 and #26, you clearly refer to commercial printing and unmanaged color. And CMYK and Pantone are not Web color associations. So I'm confused as to what it is exactly that you want to do with the images, in other words, how they are going to be used.

And we can't be sure you don't have your monitors properly calibrated (the most important first step to color management). And you seem to be assigning your (unique) monitor profiles to your work. I can't say for sure that I follow your workflow.

You can go to the free <http://.www.pixentral.com> to upload the images in question, and copy the link (per pixentral's instructions) back here.

Thank you.

Neil

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:12 am
From: J_Maloney@adobeforums.com

I am trying to also understand why you are building your file for offset
press as an RGB file, and when and where it's being converted to CMYK.

Below is a diagram of the color gamuts of SWOP (CMYK) and ProPhotoRGB. The RGB colorspace is the ghosted wireframe, SWOP is filled out in color. In which colorspace would you want your working files to reside?

I second Neil's suggestion to read gballard's site for a quick lesson in color management. It will literally blow your mind.

<http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1e8pN0TENOo7MEhFcgYK5BCJOr0VHf0>

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:33 am
From: stephanie_p@adobeforums.com

Running Photoshop CS3 intel mac leopard. I made a .psd file with spot PMS 307 chosen from the PMS picker, not as a separate channel. I made another file at home on a imac running 10.4.11 CS2 with PMS 307 chosen the same way. Both are RGB files, both have color management off. The colors did not match. Anyone know why?
Thanks

Here is the question. One of you managed to answer it at #10. I find most of the responses incredibly rude, especially Ann Shelbourne. I have moved on.
Stephanie

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:36 am
From: J_Maloney@adobeforums.com

both have color management off

That's why.

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:46 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com

Both are RGB files, both have color management off. The colors did not
match. Anyone know why?

Yes.
Because:

1. Your monitors have not been correctly set for luminance, gamma and color temperature nor have they been properly Calibrated and Profiled.

2. You have turned Color Management off — instead of designating Working Spaces for both RGB and CMYK.

3. Your image files do not carry an embedded CM Profile.

Suggestion:
Cut-out the attitude and LISTEN to what you have been told by everyone who has tried to help you here.

Or carry on doing it your way and suffer the consequences.

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 8:47 am
From: Jim_Jordan@adobeforums.com

I save for the web powered by ImageReady as either a gif or a jpg. I assume
that corrects the color. Perhaps I am wrong.

What do you mean by correcting color when saving a file? In what manner is it being corrected? How was it previously wrong?

There is often more harm done to color when saving to a web graphic file format than any sort of color correction you perceive. Even if you follow the same process of creating the image in CS2 and CS3, settings in the save for web dialog can vary the output from these two installations - - especially when ImageReady is not in CS3. You are clearly not following the same steps on both systems.

If you think this matter was answered with post #10 then you now apparently realize that this is a color management issue after all.

If all one can do is ask a question and then be critical of everyone's voluntary aid, then maybe it is best that one moves on.

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 9:38 am
From: Richard_Rose@adobeforums.com

Wow,

Classic forum entertainment.

Nothing accomplished on either side.

Rich

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:08 am
From: stephanie_p@adobeforums.com

Incredible isn't it.

I want an apology from Ann and the rest. The answer was #10. If they could read they'd know that.

I used Pantone spot 287 from the Pantone Solid Coated picker. I made a file with sRGB and color off and filled it with 287. I did the same thing for the next file but turned all color on to working. I made a third file with color management on to working and a different monitor file. This first two were the same, the next was different.

Now that you all know that maybe you could answer the question politely the first time.
Stephanie

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:09 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

Well, only one side was asking for help, so there was one loser.

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:11 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

Stephanie owes everybody here an apology.

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:16 am
From: J_Maloney@adobeforums.com

Ann and the rest do feel sorry for you Steph. That's why they tried to help.

Post 34 is gibberish. Good luck with that.

And just for shits and giggles: how long has Chris with his unexplained authoritativeness (read: knowledge) been working in "the industry"?

I picked this up in 6 months. Get cracking, girl.

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TOPIC: Any recommendation for online UK print shop with ICC paper/printer
profiles
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/2eef59d81894b4ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 9:21 am
From: Dick_Kenny@adobeforums.com

Many thanks - why didn't I try that?

Interesting web site/company. Have queried them by email; but looks as if the ICC portion they offer is to make a profile for the customer's printer/paper. My quest is for a print lab that will share their printer/paper profile(s) so that I can soft proof (and adjust) before submission. Nevertheless, thank you again.

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TOPIC: Possible bug with zoom field in Application Bar
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7d9c69a62a2879d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 9:31 am
From: "Nini Tjäder"

Thing is, with newer Macs the return key is the only enter key there is nowadays unless you have a full-size external keyboard with a numeric part. The "real" enter-key is no more on portables.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:04 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

Portables, shmortables; laptops, shmaptops. We're talking real Macs here. :D

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TOPIC: Byte Order?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/2f26676d7419fc8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 9:43 am
From: David_E_Illig@adobeforums.com

Does byte order matter when saving a TIFF?

Even if it doesn't, I can't figure out why it defaults to Macintosh on one CS3 installation and IBM PC on another CS3 installation.

Thanks!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:12 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

It does not matter.

Why your two machines are different, only you can tell.

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TOPIC: Scale large image down and keep quality??
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/86d9762ccaedcc48?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 9:55 am
From: lister110@adobeforums.com

I was wondering whats the best way to scale a large image say A2 to A6 and try to keep as much detail as possible.

I thought the best way was in incremental stages in percentages, as im sure I see a tutorial on the web a while ago.. ?

Does anyone know?

lister

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TOPIC: New Adobe security bulletin -- all platforms
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/c2eee593505594d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 27 2009 10:03 am
From: Allen_Wicks@adobeforums.com

Correction: Allen has yet to see its first successful in-the-wild virus
attack. OSX has already been attacked with several exploits.

What was hard to understand about "That is not to say that I consider Macs invulnerable, because malware is problematic on any platform; however OSX has yet to see its first successful in-the-wild virus attack."

Allen might like this list of 96 exploits identified for Mac.

That "list of exploits" (none of which is a successful in-the-wild virus attack) is provided by one PC a/v vendor trying to move into the Mac a/v space. Most listed are irrelevant, but in any event proof-of-concept exploits - or even very serious Windows threats like the Conficker worm that Macs can transmit - are not a reason for folks to run out and load a/v software on to their Macs! Antivirus software can be a very bad thing for a Mac. Especially free ones.

Anyone just watching for 'a virus' is missing the greater security picture.
The security issue noted in this thread has nothing to do with a virus.

Agreed. Computer security is a serious issue that needs careful consideration. Running to antivirus software suits the a/v industry (and works well for Windows with its many tens of thousands of successful in-the-wild virus attacks) but only protects against certain vulnerabilities, while opening the Mac OS to software that may itself be unstable, vulnerable or even suspect.

Also possibly some threat creators and certainly many of the folks who make dire Mac threat warnings are actually involved in the business of trying to sell a magic buy-this Mac-security panacea. Sorry folks, no free lunches.

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