Photoshop How To Use: Mar 26, 2009

Thursday, March 26, 2009

rec.photo.digital - 26 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Again! Another camera goes soft with a pixel jump!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4835529f468f2a49?hl=en
* life after Windows.... - 19 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/02823f38853c8136?hl=en
* Help: How convert camera's bloated Motion Jpegs to MPEG-1? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/81df20a1782ca2be?hl=en
* I like this picture ... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/0bc27def753341f6?hl=en
* Olympus admits a try at "pro" would gut their 4/3rds system - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/8ef3252b6bf18872?hl=en
* Why does Adobe not police Ebay? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/8e381dbc19b4716a?hl=en
* battery power vs. digital memory - which accessory to buy first? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/65e3b03b773d7715?hl=en
* Bit more DOF, bit more light, bit better? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f365636f866354dc?hl=en

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TOPIC: Again! Another camera goes soft with a pixel jump!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4835529f468f2a49?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:54 pm
From: "Charles"

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dVwyl.102692$Rg3.82866@newsfe17.iad...

> It is more likely that the sensor is outpacing the capabilities of the
> glass and end user combined. Are the images still soft on a tripod and
> taken in good light at the optimum f ratio for diffraction limited
> imaging?

The tried and true weak link maxim. The emphasis on sensor resolution was
once important, but is now mostly a tiresome marketing ploy.

> Sharpness sells so a lot of the lower end cameras by default do some
> fairly brutal in camera sharpening to add extra punch. The high end
> cameras tend to record more accurately what the lens actually saw.

Wow, how true this is with beginners who see sharpness above all factors but
seem to miss (ignore?) the ugly artifacts.

> The search of ever larger numbers of pixels is running out of steam. If
> the pixels are too small you get poor signal to noise (not that it will
> stop the marketeers fooling Joe Public with their uber-megapixel race).

Noise really shows up with the crammed sensors. The fixes fuzz the picture
and the EFFECTIVE resolution is less than what can be achieved with a
reasonable design.

Alas, the horsepower race and the watts per channel race and the digital
cameral MP race will never completely die because consumers are too often
keyed in one or two issues.

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TOPIC: life after Windows....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/02823f38853c8136?hl=en
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== 1 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:55 pm
From: "William Black"

"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:HpKX8HW3n+yJFA8N@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...

> I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up

Can't afford it.

We just back up stuff onto the space on the server reserved for each
machine.

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I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

== 2 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:57 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:36:46 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>>>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>>>>
>>>>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>>>>
>>>>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>>>>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>>>>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>>>>
>>> Funny looking hand ...
>>> ,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?
>>
>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>
> As carried by that artist Toulouse?

When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...

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== 3 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:12 pm
From: SMS

White Spirit wrote:
> Chris H wrote:
>
>> CRAP Linux is NOT big in the embedded market for years. The areas
>> where it is common it is known for being unreliable.
>
> Linux has in fact been in the embedded market for years, most notably in
> set top boxes, DVD players etc., and performs very reliably.

Linux doesn't have a large market share in embedded. It's mainly VxWorks
and Windows CE for embedded devices that have an OS at all.

It's also important to distinguish between a commercial version of Linux
and open source Linux. There are several commercial distributions of
Linux that have a small market share in embedded, but they're not free.
Embedded is one area where "Linux is free if time has no value" is
especially true.

== 4 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:13 pm
From: SMS

Mxsmanic wrote:
> John Stubbings writes:
>
>> Horse's for courses, there is only one OS that competes with Windows on the
>> Desktop. MAC. It's subsystem is based on............... BSD
>
> Because Apple couldn't afford to develop a completely new operating system,
> and its existing operating system was woefully inadequate (being roughly
> equivalent to the old Windows 3.1 architecturally).

I was rooting for BeOS. At least I got a tee-shirt from them.

== 5 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:15 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <HpKX8HW3n+yJFA8N@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, Chris H
<chris@phaedsys.org> writes

>I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up

The knob on my RAID card goes up to 11.
--
Roger Hunt

== 6 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:11 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgq70$d3b$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:36:46 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>>>>>
>>>>>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>>>>>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>>>>>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>>>>>
>>>> Funny looking hand ...
>>>> ,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?
>>>
>>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>>
>> As carried by that artist Toulouse?
>
>When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...
>
Become a pro golfer, if you're good at puttin' ...
--
Roger Hunt

== 7 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:20 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:11:34 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>>>
>>> As carried by that artist Toulouse?
>>
>>When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...
>>
> Become a pro golfer, if you're good at puttin' ...

Or become a netKop if you wanna go tuttin'

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== 8 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:29 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgrip$os3$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:11:34 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>>>>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>>>>
>>>> As carried by that artist Toulouse?
>>>
>>>When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...
>>>
>> Become a pro golfer, if you're good at puttin' ...
>
>Or become a netKop if you wanna go tuttin'
>
They smell of overcooked muttin'
--
Roger Hunt

== 9 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:30 pm
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

William Black wrote:
> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
> news:HpKX8HW3n+yJFA8N@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>
>> I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up
>
> Can't afford it.
>
> We just back up stuff onto the space on the server reserved for each
> machine.
>

At £100/TB memory is cheap.

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== 10 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:32 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:29:33 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

> In article <gqgrip$os3$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:11:34 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As carried by that artist Toulouse?
>>>>
>>>>When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...
>>>>
>>> Become a pro golfer, if you're good at puttin' ...
>>
>>Or become a netKop if you wanna go tuttin'
>>
> They smell of overcooked muttin'

...and dissected cats after Ari's given 'em a cuttin'

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== 11 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:34 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgsa7$ugi$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:29:33 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>> In article <gqgrip$os3$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
>> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:11:34 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> As carried by that artist Toulouse?
>>>>>
>>>>>When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...
>>>>>
>>>> Become a pro golfer, if you're good at puttin' ...
>>>
>>>Or become a netKop if you wanna go tuttin'
>>>
>> They smell of overcooked muttin'
>
>...and dissected cats after Ari's given 'em a cuttin'
>
... any moment I'm sure he'll buttin'
--
Roger Hunt

== 12 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:40 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:15:10 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up
>
> The knob on my RAID card goes up to 11.

Good man... nothing like a bit of hot spare

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== 13 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:48 pm
From: "William Black"

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:AcSyl.22121$c45.20508@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
> White Spirit wrote:
>> Chris H wrote:
>>
>>> CRAP Linux is NOT big in the embedded market for years. The areas where
>>> it is common it is known for being unreliable.
>>
>> Linux has in fact been in the embedded market for years, most notably in
>> set top boxes, DVD players etc., and performs very reliably.
>
> Linux doesn't have a large market share in embedded. It's mainly VxWorks
> and Windows CE for embedded devices that have an OS at all.
>
> It's also important to distinguish between a commercial version of Linux
> and open source Linux. There are several commercial distributions of Linux
> that have a small market share in embedded, but they're not free. Embedded
> is one area where "Linux is free if time has no value" is especially true.

Well, except for Symbian...

Which has the bulk of the 3G phone market...

--
William Black

== 14 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:49 pm
From: "William Black"

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:732afsFs074fU2@mid.individual.net...
> William Black wrote:
>> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>> news:HpKX8HW3n+yJFA8N@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>> I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up
>>
>> Can't afford it.
>>
>> We just back up stuff onto the space on the server reserved for each
>> machine.
>>
>
> At £100/TB memory is cheap.

I paid a little less.

Ebuyer is cheap.

--
William Black

== 15 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:53 pm
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

William Black wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax" <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:732afsFs074fU2@mid.individual.net...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>> news:HpKX8HW3n+yJFA8N@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>
>>>> I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up
>>> Can't afford it.
>>>
>>> We just back up stuff onto the space on the server reserved for each
>>> machine.
>>>
>> At £100/TB memory is cheap.
>
> I paid a little less.
>
> Ebuyer is cheap.
>

Scan is cheaper

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== 16 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:55 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:12:07 -0700, SMS wrote:

> Linux doesn't have a large market share in embedded. It's mainly VxWorks
> and Windows CE for embedded devices that have an OS at all.

Have you got stats on this?

== 17 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:57 pm
From: aracari

'Mxsmanic' wrote this:

>aracari writes:
>
>> Duh! Because neither are GUI op/systems.
>
>So?
>
>MS-DOS did have GUI-like add-ons.

It is not a GUI op/system.
Does the term 'commandline' mean anything to you?

>> The GUI is grafted on after development. That is one reason why
>> many functions exist in the op/sys which are not supported by the
>> GUI.
>
>Yes, for some operating systems and configurations.

I know of no mainstream GUI op/sys that hasn't been developed
in this way. Any other way would not pass muster.

>> See above. You don't quite understand how op/sys are developed
>> ...although I agree that GUIs take a lot of system resources.
>
>I've developed operating systems; I know a great deal about how they are
>designed. I've also seen the source code of just about every operating system
>I've used.

Amazing!

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== 18 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 3:00 pm
From: aracari

'Mxsmanic' wrote this:

>William Black writes:
>
>> Almost all users do almost nothing with their computers.
>
>Not true. There are two basic types of users: Those who have a computer for
>the sake of having a computer (the geeks), and those who have a computer in
>order to do productive things that interest them that just happen to require a
>computer. The latter group represents the vast majority of computer users.
>The former group represents the vast majority of Linux users.

That is a bad characterisation of computer users.

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you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

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== 19 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 3:00 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:34:32 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

> In article <gqgsa7$ugi$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:29:33 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> In article <gqgrip$os3$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
>>> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:11:34 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As carried by that artist Toulouse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When you ain't got nuttin', you got nuttin' ...
>>>>>>
>>>>> Become a pro golfer, if you're good at puttin' ...
>>>>
>>>>Or become a netKop if you wanna go tuttin'
>>>>
>>> They smell of overcooked muttin'
>>
>>...and dissected cats after Ari's given 'em a cuttin'
>>
> ... any moment I'm sure he'll buttin'

...unless Bob S's tommy gun 'as been going rat a tat tatin'

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TOPIC: Help: How convert camera's bloated Motion Jpegs to MPEG-1?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/81df20a1782ca2be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:17 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember janice smith <smith@mail.com>
saying something like:

>Is there any free software which will do a reasonable job of
>compressing my bloated AVIs to MPEG-1?

SUPER does it for free. It's one of the best all rounders.
www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
Not just that, but lots more besides.

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TOPIC: I like this picture ...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/0bc27def753341f6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:21 pm
From: "Frank ess"

I like this picture of the Veterans Memorial atop Mt Soledad, La
Jolla, California:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3388492642_7c9555d9ff_o.jpg

The pole at right is bending in a 30mph gale.

Image is uncropped, almost un-processed, reduced to size.

--
Frank ess

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TOPIC: Olympus admits a try at "pro" would gut their 4/3rds system
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/8ef3252b6bf18872?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:26 pm
From: Alan Browne

Rich wrote:
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
> news:jq6dnfvAI4drclrUnZ2dnUVZ_oDinZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Rich wrote:

>>> That's nice, but in the professional print world, 4:3 is still a lot
>>> closer to the average picture format than 3:2.
>> As if that means anything.
>>
>> It really doesn't matter what the frame proportions are within a
>> reasonable range of 1:1 to about 2:1. Photographs are not supposed to
>> be stuffed into a restrained proportion anymore than a painting is.
>>
>
> Part of the brag of the 1.5 crops over 4/3rds is that it is a bigger frame.
> It isn't if you crop it even a little.

You only crop if you need to for whatever end use is needed. So the
counter argument goes that when you need a larger aspect ratio photo,
4/3 wastes more pixels while getting less resolution for the image.

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TOPIC: Why does Adobe not police Ebay?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:28 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember SallyWasHere <sally934@verizon.net>
saying something like:

>
>Photoshop CS4, buy-it-now for less than $200?
>
>Close-ups of UPC and part numbers that don't match each other and don't
>match the item description?
>
>Why does this go on in a public place? Are ANY of the sales legit?
>
>A while back you couldn't even sell a scanner with open 800Mhz -- even one
>bought before the ban -- and now this?
>
>I know people complain that Ebay doesn't care, but why isn't Adobe
>involved?

This has been done before.
As was suggested, I think there's a real possibility that Adobe are
fully aware of all the hacked and cracked versions around and that those
same versions are in use by people who wouldn't have ever been legit
customers anyway, not at that price. The huge advantage for Adobe is
that it creates a user base of Adobe-familiar freeloaders, some of whom
will move into areas where Adobe will need to be paid for. Business
software auditing is having a real effect these days and while there are
some small companies running illegal software still, the vast majority
of them actually pay for it, so Adobe will benefit in the medium to
longer term.
In a way, it's a giant viral marketing scheme - the loss to Adobe is
minimal, but the goodwill and future sales generated is substantial, and
that's something you can't buy.

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TOPIC: battery power vs. digital memory - which accessory to buy first?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:47 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember orida70 <orida70@gmail.com> saying
something like:

>I think getting additional battery power is more important than buying
>more memory cards. For one thing, a person can always review their
>images and free up more memory by erasing pictures they don't think
>are as important; however, when your [last] battery is dead, you're
>totally out of business.
>
>Read my review:
>
>http://roycebair.blogspot.com/2009/03/camera-battery-power-more-important.html
>
>This blog article is also about finding cheaper Li-ion batteries for
>your camera, that are 1/8 the cost of the OEM.

And this is nothing to do with you recommending a particular battery
comepany or the battery-linked Google ads on your blog page?

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TOPIC: Bit more DOF, bit more light, bit better?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 2:57 pm
From: "Dudley Hanks"

Switched to manual mode for these.

Portrait 2:
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Portrait2-bw-small.jpg (bw,
quick loading)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Portrait2-bw.jpg (bw, full
size)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Portrait2-colour-small.jpg
(colour, quick loading)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Portrait2-colour.jpg
(colour, full size)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Portrait2.cr2 (original RAW)

Shredding:
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Shredding-bw-small (bw,
quick loading)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Shredding-bw.jpg (bw, full
size)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Shredding-colour-small.jpg
(colour, quick loading)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Shredding-colour.jpg
(colour, full size)
http://www.photography.dudley-hanks.com/Images/Shredding.cr2 (original RAW)

Take Care,
Dudley

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Re: [Photoshop-Haven] Re: crop tool - aspect ratio

Carey wrote:
> Let me see if I have this straight.
>
> Using the crop tool, if you enter a width of 10 and a height of 8 it will resample the
> photo (which is not what we want). If you set the width to "10 in" and the height to "8
> in" then it doesn't resample the photo but it will reset the resolution (which is not
> what we want either). [In both cases I left the "resolution" blank.]
>
> So, how do you crop to a ratio without causing a resample or resetting the resolution?

Perhaps the safest way is to use the rectangular marquee tool, with it's style
set to "fixed ratio" and the desired numbers filled in. Once you have the crop
you want, use Image > Crop to do the actual cropping.

Not quite as user friendly as the crop tool, but it will do exactly what you
want with no resampling.

Tom Judd

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RE: [Photoshop-Haven] Re: crop tool - aspect ratio

I first check the resolution on my original image by using ALT-I-I (that's
the letter "i").Just eyeball what the resolution is, then close that box and
set your crop resolution to match.

Now I should also say that this whole issue still confuses me. When I crop
photos for printing, I do a 300 ppi. But boy, does that ruin the image for
onscreen viewing. Not sure I understand that, but my little solution above
seems to work for what I want.

Ellabella

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[mailto:Photoshop-Haven@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carey
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:29 PM
To: Photoshop-Haven@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Photoshop-Haven] Re: crop tool - aspect ratio

Let me see if I have this straight.

Using the crop tool, if you enter a width of 10 and a height of 8 it will
resample the photo (which is not what we want). If you set the width to "10
in" and the height to "8 in" then it doesn't resample the photo but it will
reset the resolution (which is not what we want either). [In both cases I
left the "resolution" blank.]

So, how do you crop to a ratio without causing a resample or resetting the
resolution?

Carey

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> Just leave the resolution blank.
> Paul in Portland OR
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <Photoshop-Haven@ <mailto:Photoshop-Haven%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>; <GAmoore@...>
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:42 AM
> Subject: [Photoshop-Haven] crop tool - aspect ratio
>
>
> >I am using the crop tool in CS4 and I find it very clumsy. I would like
to
> > set the aspect ratio, say 8:10 and then crop accordingly but it seems to

> > force
> > you to choose a resolution - which means to me that it might resample
the
> > image
> > and lower the quality. Is there something i am missing?
>

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Why my arm has been so painful

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Re: [Photoshop-Haven] Wacom tablets at about.com

Hello all-

OK.. not saying that I have tons of money... ok.. I have a credit card. LOL

But what about those tablets that have the monitor right there on the tablet.

Are they just as good as that 6x8 that someone said that they got?

www.wacom.com and then goto the Cintiq's.

The video they show seems bad-a$$; you can see how they draw right there on the screen and it looks just like pencil; would those other cheaper ones do the same thing on the desktop/laptop monitors?

Anyone got pictures of their tablet work?

Cheers

Jonathon M. Johnson

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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:06:51 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: [Photoshop-Haven] Wacom tablets at about.com

About.com has info on new tablet

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/hardware/fr/wacomintuos4.htm?nl=1

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Re: [ellenspsp_sharing] Is it just me?

i don't receive any blank emails. sometimes when i first open an email it appears to be blank, but if i give it a sec or two it loads or i can go to the next email and come back and it will show. i have a feeling that has to do with the isp.

if i answer a question i usually just reply to the person asking the question not the group as a whole. hope this helps.

~Brandi~

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I'm whispering 'I was lost, Now I'm found and forgiven.'
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To: 3ellenspsp sharing <ellenspsp_sharing@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:44:39 PM
Subject: Fw: [ellenspsp_sharing] Is it just me?

I have mail her private

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Subject: [ellenspsp_sharing] Is it just me?

Is it just me? I see people ask the same questions I have, and no one answers. I get about 10 emails a day from this group, with a ton of blank postings from members in here. There is no content, sometimes a link or two. What is the big secret to this group?

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[Photoshop-Haven] Re: crop tool - aspect ratio

Let me see if I have this straight.

Using the crop tool, if you enter a width of 10 and a height of 8 it will resample the photo (which is not what we want). If you set the width to "10 in" and the height to "8 in" then it doesn't resample the photo but it will reset the resolution (which is not what we want either). [In both cases I left the "resolution" blank.]

So, how do you crop to a ratio without causing a resample or resetting the resolution?

Carey

--- In Photoshop-Haven@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Laughlin" <pelaughlin@...> wrote:
>
> Just leave the resolution blank.
> Paul in Portland OR
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GAmoore@...>
> To: <Photoshop-Haven@yahoogroups.com>; <GAmoore@...>
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:42 AM
> Subject: [Photoshop-Haven] crop tool - aspect ratio
>
>
> >I am using the crop tool in CS4 and I find it very clumsy. I would like to
> > set the aspect ratio, say 8:10 and then crop accordingly but it seems to
> > force
> > you to choose a resolution - which means to me that it might resample the
> > image
> > and lower the quality. Is there something i am missing?
>

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This was fun to work with, and I finally got a way to use this fabulous
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[ellenspsp_sharing] Présentation

I am Patricia, I am 46 years old and I just arrived on this synpatique group sharing. I live in France in the country.

I practice from 5 years ago PSP and I love to make creations of stationeries and personnal signatures.

I love sharing what we can to serve psp !

I have also a group "Créations PSP Patricia" where I only send my new sationeries in two formats jpeg pour Outlook et PSP pour Incrédimail !

This is my group

Pernay, Indre-et-Loire, France

I am very happy to be with you in this group, the shares are beautiful

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* life after Windows.... - 21 messages, 7 authors
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* Olympus: Are they F----- CRAZY? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Which Epson printer? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Neck chain or foot cord better for stability? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Again! Another camera goes soft with a pixel jump!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:06 pm
From: Mxsmanic

White Spirit writes:

> The blame for this situation falls entirely on Microsoft with their
> unethical business practices.

No, Microsoft has nothing to do with it. Developers write for the systems
that people use, if they want to make money selling their software.

== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:08 pm
From: Mxsmanic

Roger Hunt writes:

> Ever manage to get USB to open an eyelid?

I never used Windows 95 at all personally, because it was garbage.

== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:09 pm
From: Ari®

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:23 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:43:24 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>
>> Yes. Survival training.
>
> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
> k00kie crumbles...
>
> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat

New definition for "cat" food.
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Motto: Run, rabbit, Run!

== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:12 pm
From: Ari®

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:09:34 -0400, Ari® wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:23 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:43:24 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>
>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>> k00kie crumbles...
>>
>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>
> New definition for "cat" food.

And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
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== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:17 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <jkkns417slacq5rn10pd6s8o2auaqfl779@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> writes
>Roger Hunt writes:
>
>> Ever manage to get USB to open an eyelid?
>
>I never used Windows 95 at all personally, because it was garbage.

Yea, I suppose that makes about as much sense as saying "I used win95
all the time personally, because was brilliant".

(These statements cancel each other out, and we achieve a state of
blissful equilibrium.)
--
Roger Hunt

== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:18 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgk22$pna$1@news.motzarella.org>, Ari®
<AriSilverstein@army.com> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:09:34 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:23 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:43:24 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>
>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>
>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>
>> New definition for "cat" food.
>
>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.

If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
--
Roger Hunt

== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:28 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:02:50 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

> And this attitude is a bit outdated today. Microsoft haters are getting old,
> and Microsoft-bashing is a bit old-fashioned. And of course it's not based on
> objective facts, which is the worst problem with it.

So boring, and so polarised. I like and use Windows, Linux, freeBSD.

The differences are educational, and you can use ideas from each to enhance
your use of the other.

== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:38 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:17:11 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

> In article <jkkns417slacq5rn10pd6s8o2auaqfl779@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
> <mxsmanic@gmail.com> writes
>>Roger Hunt writes:
>>
>>> Ever manage to get USB to open an eyelid?
>>
>>I never used Windows 95 at all personally, because it was garbage.
>
> Yea, I suppose that makes about as much sense as saying "I used win95
> all the time personally, because was brilliant".
>
> (These statements cancel each other out, and we achieve a state of
> blissful equilibrium.)

... which lasts for only a brief moment when I throw up the OS whose name
one should never speak

React OS....

Oh yes, touted by our freeware researcher extraordinaire as the one to look
closely at...

== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:42 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:32 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>
>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>
>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>
>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>
>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>
> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.

...are you a man.... or a mouse?

== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:57 pm
From: James Cooke

Ari® wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:09:09 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:54:31 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>>
>>>>> toluene
>>>> Have you been at the glue again Roger?
>>> I was dissecting a cat, had phermaldehyde (sp??) all over my hands,
>>> picked up a bottle of toluene and spilled it, ate the hair of both arms
>>> in a nanosecond.
>> Practising for your meet and greet with Bob S?
>
> Yes. Survival training.

Is he the one you want to rub his balls on your face?

== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:59 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqglro$7g6$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:32 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>
>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>
>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>
>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>
>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>
... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
--
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== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:14 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tajns4t4qd1ak7go63c0r3r61bs1rvrl07@4ax.com...

>> Wandering around the house once a week with a USB passport for ma couple
>> of
>> hours (plus the odd conversation on the lines of "Have you finished with
>> that computer? I need to do backups") isn't really practical, I have a
>> life to lead...
>
> A backup only requires about 15 minutes.

You've got to find the computer, switch it on, do the job and go on to the
next one.

Where does your wife keep her eeepc?

--
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== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:16 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cijns415ls5ufqe7vtbg8emptfi64e393r@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:
>
>> Which of course accounts for the huge popularity of things like the eeepc
>> and the Acorn 'Aspire One' and a shed load of others, most of which run
>> Linux...
>
> The huge popularity?

They sell millions of the things, half the shelf space given over to
laptops in every computer shop in the country is used to display them, of
course they're popular you imbecile...

You really do need to get out more...

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== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:17 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8jjns49jgfr5jbvmdf4jmbabamq7hg5m8l@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:

>> Especially as people are now replacing old Windows XP computers with new
>> ones and finding they have to pay 'Windows tax' even though they already
>> own
>> the product...
>
> I've seen no mass exodus to Linux, or even Mac.

There's certainly an upswing in resentment.

--
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== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:18 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1qjns41lh7tua1lgrfuvqf2in0984kp31m@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:
>
>> More than fifteen years ago to be correct, but it didn't work...
>>
>> We all had to strain to keep servers running, (you'd be lucky to keep an
>> NT
>> server running for 7 days because it 'ate' memory when working), until
>> the
>> inevitable 'SP 3' came out...
>
> I never had any trouble with it. Neither did our servers.

But you already said you didn't use it until 10 years ago...

So you wouldn't...

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== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:21 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:lsjns4lrmv7f4ml8i8jc0eg9jql7aaavm4@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:
>
>> The guy who claimed he's had an NT server running since they came out
>> without a problem is just lying. No NT server would run more than six
>> weeks
>> or so without a fatal error caused by an overflow.
>
> I've seen them run for years.

So have I, after they worked the bugs out.

>> NT was just Microsoft 'LAN manager' V3, and what's more if you look at
>> the
>> original file headers on an original NT distribution disk it says so.
>> Anyone who pretends differently, like Mitzi, doesn't know the horrible
>> history of Microsoft networking products...
>
> NT was a completely new operating system.

Which is why it's called NT 3, or NT 3.1 after they got it working
properly...

Interestingly, it came after LAN Manager 2...

--
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== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:27 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>
>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>
>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>
>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>
>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>
> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?

I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>

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== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:29 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgoes$usk$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>>
>>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>>
>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>
>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>
>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>
>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>
Funny looking hand ...
,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?
--
Roger Hunt

== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:31 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:29:25 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

> In article <gqgoes$usk$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>>
>>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>>
>>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>>
>>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>>
> Funny looking hand ...
> ,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?

Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.

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== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:36 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgomc$uua$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:29:25 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>> In article <gqgoes$usk$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
>> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way
>the
>>>>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>>>
>>>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>>>
>>>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>>>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>>>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>>>
>> Funny looking hand ...
>> ,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?
>
>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>
As carried by that artist Toulouse?
--
Roger Hunt

== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:47 pm
From: Chris H

In message <tajns4t4qd1ak7go63c0r3r61bs1rvrl07@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> writes
>William Black writes:
>
>> Ah, I forget you live alone...
>>
>> Only one computer as well it seems...
>
>I use multiple computers. I'm not sure how living alone factors into it.

Me neither... The two of use here have 5PC's and two MACs running most
of the time and a SUN ULTRA II other times.

>> I need a system that will back up a reasonable array of computer equipment
>> from an Asus eeepc to a Linux box, with a couple of others thrown in.
>Removable disks are still an option.

I agree you can get inexpensive 1 and 2 terrabyte fire wire external
drives

>> Wandering around the house once a week with a USB passport for ma couple of
>> hours (plus the odd conversation on the lines of "Have you finished with
>> that computer? I need to do backups") isn't really practical, I have a
>> life to lead...
>A backup only requires about 15 minutes

Mine is automatic.

>> A Samba box using RAID 1 works, costs next to nothing and is easy to
>> administer.
>RAID1 isn't a backup.

I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up
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TOPIC: Olympus: Are they F----- CRAZY?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e68eefee518f24d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:35 pm
From: SMS

Alan Hoyle wrote:

> I don't know that I would have picked Olympus if I was starting from
> scratch. However, unless I'm missing something in my evaluation,
> switching systems to either Canon or Nikon, getting equivalent quality
> glass would end up costing me a significant chunk of money MORE than
> what Olympus would cost.

Compare very wide-angle zoom lenses. Olympus is far more expensive, at
least 2x.

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TOPIC: Which Epson printer?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/341768f7c25990e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:30 pm
From: Eric Stevens

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:49:35 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net>
wrote:

>Eric Stevens wrote:
>> I can't make up my mind which Epson printer to buy, a 2880 or a 3800.
>> By all accounts the 3800 produces better images but it suffers from
>> the disadvantage that it's ink cartridges are much larger at 80ml.
>> They have a rated life of 6 months after they have been opened and
>> with my irregular usage it is possible that I could run over this.
>>
>> Has anyone any experience with the 3800 (or other Epson printers with
>> K3 inks) when the ink gets old in service? Do they tend to clog or do
>> they give no real trouble in service? I would be grateful for advice.
>
>I would consider larger ink carts a huge advantage. That's nonsense that
>they would expire in 6 months, the bigger issue is clogging due to
>infrequent use and the newer Epsons are better about that. I thought
>about a CIS system for my R1800 but the clog issue has scared me a bit.
>My old Epson clogged but that was much cheaper & older, I sometimes let
>my R1800 go for weeks without making any prints and it hasn't had any
>problems.

I'm currently running an 1800 and have had almost no problems with
clogging. The only exception turned out to be caused by wandering
cat-fur.

The R1800 doesn't use K3 inks and my original question was prompted by
the concern that possibly these might be more temperamental (the cat
has died of old age at 21).

Eric Stevens

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TOPIC: Neck chain or foot cord better for stability?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/cd89013c50daa40f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:40 pm
From: Wayne R.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:59:11 -0400, krishnananda
<krishnananda@divine-life.org> wrote (with clarity & insight):

>Aircraft cable:
>
><https://www.kryptonitelock.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid
>=1001&pid=1124>

A truly good selection of aircraft cable (and pretty much anything
else that's hardware) is at McMaster.

<http://www.mcmaster.com/#aircraft-cable/=169qr9>

Fittings, etc., also, for those cables.

(Play with the site, it's terrific. Just type "screws" into the
search, it's amazing. And their service is also terrific.)