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Almir Guineto
Mel na boca

Composição: David Corrêa

Oh, quanta mentira suportei
Neste teu cinismo de doçura
Pode parar
Com essa idéia de representação
Os bastidores se
fecharam pra desilusão
Pode parar
Com essa idéia de representação
Os bastidores se
fecharam pra desilusão
É mentira
É mentira
Cadê toda promessa
de me dar felicidade
Bota mel em minha boca
Me ama, depois deixa a saudade,
Será...Será que o amor é isso?
Se é feitiço vou jogar flores no mar
Um raio de luz
Do sol voltará a brilhar
Que se apagou e deixou noite em meu olhar
Meu olhar
Um raio de luz
Do sol voltará a brilhar
Que se apagou e deixou noite em meu olhar
É mentira
É mentira
Oh, quanta mentira suportei
Neste teu cinismo de doçura
Pode parar
Com essa idéia de representação
Os bastidores se
fecharam pra desilusão
Pode parar
Com essa idéia de representação
Os bastidores se
fecharam pra desilusão
É mentira
É mentira
Cadê toda promessa
de me dar felicidade
Bota mel em minha boca
Me ama, depois deixa a saudade,
Será...Será que o amor é isso?
Se é feitiço vou jogar flores no mar
Um raio de luz
Do sol voltará a brilhar
Que se apagou e deixou noite em meu olhar
Meu olhar
Um raio de luz
Do sol voltará a brilhar
Que se apagou e deixou noite em meu olhar
É mentira
É mentira
 
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Hi,
This is the only thing I have done so far today in psp and more than likely may not get any others done as I am beat. Decided to shampoo carpets today and what a job that is although they were not that bad being that the carpet is a very light beige did not want any stains to get in it that would not come out later on and then spent time walking the dog and yakking with some of the other tenants outside which we seem to do a lot of now that it is nicer weather although it was cooler today and some light rain off and on.
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rec.photo.digital - 25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Phase One, bunch of damn fools? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f159cc458bc32c1d?hl=en
* Panasonic LZ-2 memory capacity - 7 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/a623bd59781f29e3?hl=en
* P&S Revenue predicted to fall by 24%, D-SLR revenue predicted to fall by 12%
- 5 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/13c7f45bc1c23aa1?hl=en
* www.niketrade08.cn ) BBC T-shirt cheap wholesaler (paypal payment - 1
messages, 1 author
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* www.sneaker-shop08.com cheap SMET jeans wholesale - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/407ddddb40b15b99?hl=en
* truly portable charger for Nikon EN-EL4a battery (D2, D3 series) - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/06dfc9f02726318a?hl=en
* Scenic areas in England - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1076be556766c491?hl=en
* grim news for photographers tourism and rights - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f739094ebddaa70e?hl=en
* Trick Kodak z1285s to recharge regular rechargable batteries? - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/d80b9951f5765f8b?hl=en
* Nikon- CL-L2 Ballistic Nylon Lens Case Service Advisory - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/0dbd4b5f208f274d?hl=en

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TOPIC: Phase One, bunch of damn fools?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f159cc458bc32c1d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, May 25 2009 11:26 pm
From: DMac


Yuki wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:13:18 -0400, "Matt Clara" <none@myexpense.com> wrote:
>
>> I use PhaseOne's Capture One software, and have for several years. When
>> Capture One moved from version 3 to 4, there were many changes made. As in,
>> it's completely different. While I'm sure it's more powerful, it's also no
>> longer intuitive. How intuitive was it? I never once read a manual or
>> checked a helpfile with version 3. With version 4, I find myself consulting
>> it for even little things. BUT, that's not what I'm here to bitch about.
>> No, I'm not. I wanted to send a message to them, sharing my experience, and
>> I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to simply send them an email.
>> There may be a way if I could remember my login info, or cared enough to dig
>> through back up discs to find it. Other than that, they want to send you to
>> their "partners," i.e., camera stores that sell their goods. Like they
>> care. All of this leave me a bit annoyed, and perplexed, as the, "we don't
>> give a shit what you have to say" treatment is what one might expect from a
>> really big corporation, like MS, not from a tiny niche player like PhaseOne.
>> That is all.
>
> Do this helps?
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/Content/ContactUs/AboutUs.aspx
>

That email address (info) never gets a reply (for me anyway) but thanks
for the effort.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 9:04 am
From: "Matt Clara"


"Yuki" <no-reply@nodomain.not> wrote in message
news:14rm159k7npr653irdk45lfltbamq919i0@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:13:18 -0400, "Matt Clara" <none@myexpense.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I use PhaseOne's Capture One software, and have for several years. When
>>Capture One moved from version 3 to 4, there were many changes made. As
>>in,
>>it's completely different. While I'm sure it's more powerful, it's also
>>no
>>longer intuitive. How intuitive was it? I never once read a manual or
>>checked a helpfile with version 3. With version 4, I find myself
>>consulting
>>it for even little things. BUT, that's not what I'm here to bitch about.
>>No, I'm not. I wanted to send a message to them, sharing my experience,
>>and
>>I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to simply send them an email.
>>There may be a way if I could remember my login info, or cared enough to
>>dig
>>through back up discs to find it. Other than that, they want to send you
>>to
>>their "partners," i.e., camera stores that sell their goods. Like they
>>care. All of this leave me a bit annoyed, and perplexed, as the, "we
>>don't
>>give a shit what you have to say" treatment is what one might expect from
>>a
>>really big corporation, like MS, not from a tiny niche player like
>>PhaseOne.
>>That is all.
>
> Do this helps?
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/Content/ContactUs/AboutUs.aspx
>
>

Thanks, Yuki. I guess clicking on Contact wasn't enough!


==============================================================================
TOPIC: Panasonic LZ-2 memory capacity
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/a623bd59781f29e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 12:37 am
From: "David J Taylor"


isw wrote:
> The user manual says that 1GB is the maximum the camera can use, but
> I've seen places on line offering 2 and 4 GB SD cards for it.
>
> It may be that 1GB was just the largest thing available at the time
> the manual was written. Does anybody know for sure what the maximum
> card size is?
>
> Isaac

What age (design) is the camera, Isaac?

2GB would be the maximum for SD cards, if you want to go to 4GB you should
look for a statement that the camera will take SDHC cards, and that may be
missing from an older camera.

David

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 12:51 am
From: Ofnuts


isw wrote:
> The user manual says that 1GB is the maximum the camera can use, but
> I've seen places on line offering 2 and 4 GB SD cards for it.
>
> It may be that 1GB was just the largest thing available at the time the
> manual was written. Does anybody know for sure what the maximum card
> size is?

2Gb card should work. 4Gb ones (of the plain SD variety, not the SDHC
ones) *may* work.
--
Bertrand


== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 6:35 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


My Panasonic (LS-70) says it takes up to something, I'm
thinking 2 GB and then you have to use SDHC cards. I got a
couple SDHC in 4 and 8 GB, and they don't work. So, I got a
couple adaptors off Ebay and now I use the cards as flash
drives.

With storage cards being about ten bucks each, buy one or
two and try em out. Or, borrow a couple from a friend to
try.

With my camera plugged into my computer, I can use Windows
Explorer to view the pictures on my camera, rename them,
delete the ones I don't want. I can also defragment my
memory card using Disk Defragmenter, and then choosing the
camera drive.

I havn't had any need to, but it is possible to store
documents, and other files on my camera's memory card.

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Learn more about Jesus
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"isw" <isw@witzend.com> wrote in message
news:isw-FD53C4.21541525052009@[216.168.3.50]...
The user manual says that 1GB is the maximum the camera can
use, but
I've seen places on line offering 2 and 4 GB SD cards for
it.

It may be that 1GB was just the largest thing available at
the time the
manual was written. Does anybody know for sure what the
maximum card
size is?

Isaac


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 8:00 am
From: ray


On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:54:15 -0700, isw wrote:

> The user manual says that 1GB is the maximum the camera can use, but
> I've seen places on line offering 2 and 4 GB SD cards for it.
>
> It may be that 1GB was just the largest thing available at the time the
> manual was written. Does anybody know for sure what the maximum card
> size is?
>
> Isaac

You'll probably not have any issues with larger cards, but can't say until
you try them. There is some good info on the wikipedia article about SD
cards. Make certain that they are not SDHC cards and you'll probably be
all right.


== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 10:10 am
From: isw


In article <a%MSl.34012$OO7.13908@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
"David J Taylor"
<david-taylor@blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> isw wrote:
> > The user manual says that 1GB is the maximum the camera can use, but
> > I've seen places on line offering 2 and 4 GB SD cards for it.
> >
> > It may be that 1GB was just the largest thing available at the time
> > the manual was written. Does anybody know for sure what the maximum
> > card size is?
> >
> > Isaac
>
> What age (design) is the camera, Isaac?

Honestly, I don't know; I bought it used.

> 2GB would be the maximum for SD cards, if you want to go to 4GB you should
> look for a statement that the camera will take SDHC cards, and that may be
> missing from an older camera.

I'm pretty sure it won't handle SDHC cards; there's no mention of that
in the User Manual.

Isaac


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 10:16 am
From: isw


In article <4a1b9f72$0$21815$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
Ofnuts <o.f.n.u.t.s@la.poste.net> wrote:

> isw wrote:
> > The user manual says that 1GB is the maximum the camera can use, but
> > I've seen places on line offering 2 and 4 GB SD cards for it.
> >
> > It may be that 1GB was just the largest thing available at the time the
> > manual was written. Does anybody know for sure what the maximum card
> > size is?
>
> 2Gb card should work. 4Gb ones (of the plain SD variety, not the SDHC
> ones) *may* work.

I appreciate the info. Could you elaborate on why? I'm always interested
in knowing the reasons... (I know why SDHC won't work).

I once had a digital camera that used the old Compact Flash cards. The
User Manual cautioned that the camera software would scramble any card
with more than 32 Meg capacity; I just wondered if this camera might
have a similar "feature".

Isaac


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 11:58 am
From: "David J Taylor"


isw wrote:
[]
> I appreciate the info. Could you elaborate on why? I'm always
> interested in knowing the reasons... (I know why SDHC won't work).
>
> I once had a digital camera that used the old Compact Flash cards. The
> User Manual cautioned that the camera software would scramble any card
> with more than 32 Meg capacity; I just wondered if this camera might
> have a similar "feature".
>
> Isaac

Take a look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#Compatibility_issues_with_2_GB_and_larger_cards

Cheers,
David


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TOPIC: P&S Revenue predicted to fall by 24%, D-SLR revenue predicted to fall
by 12%
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/13c7f45bc1c23aa1?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 12:59 am
From: Ron Hunter


SMS wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> Well, people like that aren't worth much attention, which is what they
>> are after. I will just ignore him in the future.
>
> Filtering him works pretty well because despite the fact that he changes
> his identity constantly, there are some things in his headers, and even
> in the fake e-mail addresses he creates, that you can filter on.
>
> You need a better news reader than Thunderbird or Outlook, and you have
> to be willing to spend some time creating filters on unique attributes
> in his headers.
>
> One very good free Usnet news reader is 40tude Dialog, at
> "http://www.40tude.com/dialog/".
>
> I'm slowly migrating over from Thunderbird, copying my existing filters
> and adding new ones, but in reality you need less filters in 40tude
> Dialog because you can look at attributes other than just "from" or
> "subject" though fortunately, most posters you want to filter are not
> quite as obnoxious as our troll.

The filtering need not be perfect. I have no intention of switching
from Thunderbird. Better filtering is on the way, shortly. Such minor
irritations really aren't worth the trauma of switching newsreaders.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 6:51 am
From: SMS


Ron Hunter wrote:

> The filtering need not be perfect. I have no intention of switching
> from Thunderbird. Better filtering is on the way, shortly. Such minor
> irritations really aren't worth the trauma of switching newsreaders.

It's not just our troll, it's stuff like the recent rash of postings of
merchandise originating from "news.usenetmonster.com". Amazingly this
provider actually did recognize the problem eventually, and shut the
poster down, but it was really annoying while it lasted.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 9:38 am
From: Paul Furman


nospam wrote:
> In article <erednZN1O6xK-YbXnZ2dnVY3goidnZ2d@giganews.com>, David J.
> Littleboy <davidjl@gol.com> wrote:
>
>>> You mean that the refractive index of the glass is altered by the image
>>> stabilization mechanism? Do tell.
>> No. He means that by shifting one or more central elements in the lens, the
>> construction, and thus optical properties, of the lens change. Thus it's not
>> unreasonable to expect that the amount of CA will change also.
>
> it's possible, but it's insignificant and certainly something that
> would have been considered in the overall design.
>
>> Whether this is detectable or not is another question, of course.
>
> exactly. if it's not detectable, who cares.
>
>> Still, it's a good point that IS is another constraint, and implies worse
>> optical performance than one might otherwise get. Another reason in-camera
>> stabilization is a good idea.
>
> they both have advantages and disadvantages.

Both would tend to push at least one corner inward, improving one side,
making another worse. The troll just made this up though, it's a non-issue.

--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 1:48 pm
From: Rob G


On 21 May, 19:18, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Barclays Capital estimates that consumer-oriented point and shoot
> digital camera sales will shrink 24% in terms of revenue amid a global
> slump in demand. Casio and Olympus recently cut prices on point and
> shoot cameras, but analysts say that prices of point and shoot models
> have bottomed out in terms of the manufacturers being able to cut prices
> further, because margins are already close to zero. A shake out is
> imminent in the digital camera business, with other producers set to
> follow the lead of Konica-Minolta and abandon the business.
>
> Digital SLR revenue is predicted to shrink by 12%, as prices fall due to
> greater competition and the introduction of lower priced models. Digital
> SLR cameras used to be purchased mainly by hobbyists and professionals,
> but the addition of features such as "Live View" and video capability
> have boosted sales volumes in the mass market, according to analyst Tak
> Tomasako. "The main advantage of the digital SLR to the casual
> photographer is the lack of shutter lag, that annoying delay on point
> and shoot cameras between when the shutter release is pressed and the
> photograph is taken," said Tomasako.
>
> "The lack of live view and video recording capability also hurt demand
> for digital SLRs in the mass market," continued Tomasako. "These
> features were already present on point and shoot cameras, and consumers
> expected them on digital SLRs as well, even though hobbyists and
> professionals didn't care about those features. Now the digital SLR
> manufacturers have added these features and are penetrating into the
> mass market. For the manufacturer, there is the opportunity to sell not
> only the camera, but a variety of high margin lenses and accessories."
>
> Not all manufacturers will survive in the digital SLR business stressed
> Tomasako. "Canon and Nikon currently have over 80% market share between
> them, with Sony (who bought Konica-Minolta's digital SLR business) a
> distant third. Olympus and Pentax barely register at all and will find
> it difficult to continue. Olympus has teamed up with Panasonic to
> promote their 4:3 and micro 4:3 system with little success. Pentax has
> teamed up with Korea's Samsung to co-brand digital SLRs, also with
> little success."
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> What I don't get about this news item is that if D-SLRs are penetrating
> into the mass market, as they appear to be doing, won't the increase in
> sales more than make up for the lower ASP, _increasing_ revenue while
> decreasing margins?

I've read through most of the posts in this thread and am amazed at
the abuse that flows back and forth not only in this thread but
throughout this NG in general.

I'm not a troll as I will bring something of my observations on the
subject shortly, but I am a regular user of NG's and forums in the UK
and I've never come across such polarised opinion and poor quality
discussion in terms of argumentative emotion on the subjects raised.
You really all need to look at yourselves and wonder just who you are
and whom you are trying to convince that you are any wiser than anyone
else. You accuse posters of being trolls but is it hardly surprising
that you are being wound up when you all lay yourselves so open to
being seen as such pompous idiots.

I'm an amateur photographer - I'm old enough to remember as a child
using box brownies and developing my own 35mm b&w films. I enjoy
recording life as it goes past, but I'm not a pro-am unlike many here
make themselves out to be. Anyway I did a brief test today, totally
unrelated to this thread. I've a Canon 300D with it's native lens,
and I've a Panasonic FX01. My test ? I wanted to investigate
recording many family papers - I can either scan them or I can photo
them, so I tried the cameras this morning. What astonished me,
particularly in line with this thread, that in an identical shot, the
P & S was far superior in detail to the SLR. I had to Sharpen the SLR
shot to be able to read the text. which in the P & S was clear and
readable without significant zooming in.

If you regard the postings in favour of P & S cameras as trolls then
so be it, but my test with the equipment I have has been a bit of an
eye opener.

Rob


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 2:46 pm
From: Savageduck


On 2009-05-26 13:48:46 -0700, Rob G <robkgraham@btinternet.com> said:

> On 21 May, 19:18, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> I've read through most of the posts in this thread and am amazed at
> the abuse that flows back and forth not only in this thread but
> throughout this NG in general.

Such is the nature of opinionated individuals, regardless of level of
knowledge in any particular subject.
>
> I'm not a troll as I will bring something of my observations on the
> subject shortly, but I am a regular user of NG's and forums in the UK
> and I've never come across such polarised opinion and poor quality
> discussion in terms of argumentative emotion on the subjects raised.
> You really all need to look at yourselves and wonder just who you are
> and whom you are trying to convince that you are any wiser than anyone
> else. You accuse posters of being trolls but is it hardly surprising
> that you are being wound up when you all lay yourselves so open to
> being seen as such pompous idiots.

There are individuals who deliberately provoke response in these groups
for the purpose of espousing an argument based in fantasy, and/or
ignorance.
Some of us react to these "trolls" in anger, as their efforts seem
designed to destroy the interaction and value of these NGs
Sometimes our reactions are reflexively reactionary, sometime a thread
degrades or develops into a discussion which has nothing to do with the
OP.
Sometimes we (and I include myself) are just plain wrong.
>
> I'm an amateur photographer - I'm old enough to remember as a child
> using box brownies and developing my own 35mm b&w films. I enjoy
> recording life as it goes past, but I'm not a pro-am unlike many here
> make themselves out to be.

It sounds as if you have a history similar to many here, myself
included. Many of us are just photographers, some have a need to
identify themselves as "Pros" and some actually are "Pros". Many come
from other fields and have different experiences which can from time to
time be enlightening, and from time to time provoke further argument.

> Anyway I did a brief test today, totally
> unrelated to this thread. I've a Canon 300D with it's native lens,

...and this "native" lens is what exactly?

> and I've a Panasonic FX01. My test ? I wanted to investigate
> recording many family papers - I can either scan them or I can photo
> them, so I tried the cameras this morning. What astonished me,
> particularly in line with this thread, that in an identical shot, the
> P & S was far superior in detail to the SLR. I had to Sharpen the SLR
> shot to be able to read the text. which in the P & S was clear and
> readable without significant zooming in.

This may be true in your given circumstances, however as I noted you
failed to tell us which lens you are using with your DSLR. There are
some lens choices (that is the beauty of the DSLR, choice, flexibility
& adaptability beyond the P&S capability,) which may serve your purpose
better.
>
> If you regard the postings in favour of P & S cameras as trolls then
> so be it, but my test with the equipment I have has been a bit of an
> eye opener.

None of us consider postings in favour of P&S cameras "trolls", however
once the posting develops into an irrational evangelizing effort based
in provocative ignorance, it can only be considered a troll.
A certain truly "trollish" individual, who has chosen to change his NG
identity constantly has provoked this P&S /DSLR polarization. Using his
personally developed arguments based on nothing, to provoke reaction.
This individual has yet to provide comparative evidence of his claims.

Many of us use both DSLR and P&S, they both have a purpose and both
can, and have produced great and awful images.
>
> Rob


--
Regards,
Savageduck


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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 8:19 am
From: Father Kodak


On Mon, 25 May 2009 16:57:35 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1{REMOVESPAM}@me.com> wrote:

>On 2009-05-25 16:29:42 -0700, Father Kodak <dont_bother@IDontCare.COM> said:
>
>> Does anyone know of a truly portable charger for the EN-EL4A battery,
>> something a lot smaller than the 2-port MH-22 charger that comes with
>> the D3?
>>
>> Father Kodak
>
>I am using the MH-21
>http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/300650-REG/Nikon_25278_MH_21_Quick_Charger.html
>Not
>
>particularly small, but smaller than the MH-22.

I was hoping that some third party (Maha?) made such a charger,
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-Father Kodak


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 12:19 pm
From: me@mine.net


On Tue, 26 May 2009 11:19:06 -0400, in rec.photo.digital Father Kodak
<dont_bother@IDontCare.COM> wrote:

>I was hoping that some third party (Maha?) made such a charger,
>something about the same size as the battery itself, truly portable.

Lenmar would seem to imply they have one capable.

http://www.lenmar.com/Web/ProductSummary.aspx?OEM=Nikon&CatID=2&Model=EN-EL4a

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 9:00 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
news:N7-dnQq7ju5xh4rXnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> whisky-dave wrote:


>> Yep, and I'd say it's far more likely someone commiting a crime (seriouis
>> crime)
>> that they'd choose a gun rather than a knife or a banana but why ?
>> Do people worry more when confronted by a criminal wielding a gun, knife
>> or banana ?
>>
>>
>
> Assuming that the banana is being used to make someone think the person
> has a gun, then there is no difference between that and a real gun,

So why worry about guns as being necessary for self defence.

> except that the perp could eat the banana later.
> As for knives, MANY robbers favor a knife over a gun because they can do a
> lot of damage with a knife without causing fatal injury.

Well if robbery is their aim, why worry about causing injury.

>> well of course not if you choose only to remove legal guns.
>> It's be like raiding my kitchen would stop knife crime.
>>
>>> It has put people put of work and destroyed
>>> businesses to pander to a hyped up and irrational fear.
>>
>> They can say that about nuclear weapons.
>>
>
> Yes, and it would be true.

>And all the same, if my neighbor has a nuke in his closet, and it properly
>stored, and never used, then it is no more a danger to me than the knife he
>keeps in the kitchen.

So why do the USA and UK government not want certain countries like Iran,
Iraq and many other not to have nuclear weapons if they say they're only
used
for self defence.


>> Also far more people got killed via accidents as mobile phone numbers
>> rose.
>> People were safer because they could phone an ambulance should they fall
>> get mugged or anything else, but MORE people had accident due to using a
>> mobile phone
>> than were saved by them.
>>
>
> Now that I seriously doubt. Statistics?

Plenty.
At the roundabout near me a 17 yearold girl walked out on to the road
while on the phone and got struck down by a lorry, and killed.
Another girl got mugged for her mobile then shot in the head at point blank
range.
In the UK there was quite a market for stolen mobiles.

> ANY distraction in a car can result in a wreck.
I totally agree and a mobile phone is a relatively recent one.

>The most serious distraction is a poisonous insect in the car.
Not too many in the UK, but how many peole are killed because of this.

> Next most serious is a child having a 'meltdown' in the back seat. So, we
> should ban all children from cars, and allow DDT so we can get rid of all
> the stinging insects? I think not.

But we do have child safety belts and in the UK laws about kids traveling
unsecured. I guess that the USAins can't drive as well us us in the UK
that's why
you have lower speed limits, although there's talk of lowering ours.
Do you think lower speed limits save lives.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 9:00 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:5NhYFhLEAtFKFAcV@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message <gv6h32$keu$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
> dave@final.front.ear> writes
>>> It was not suddenly made illegal. NOTHING changed with the new gun laws.
>>The why do you refer to them as NEW laws if nothing changed.
>
>
> The new laws only affected the legally registered guns. These were not
> used in crimes.

So what were these laws and how have they changed things.

>They had no effect one way or the other on gun crime in
> the UK
>
>>> Certain types of gun any full bore pistols, pump shot guns and self
>>> loading shot guns with more than 3 rounds were made illegal to own.
>>Sounds like a change in the law. So I'm guessing that anyone that had
>>one of those guns and didn't dispose or license them
>
> They were ALL licensed by serial number to individuals and the police
> knew who had every legal gun and where they were stored.


>> before midnight on
>>the day the NEW law was brought in thjen that gun at 1 second after
>>midnight was illegal, or are you saying nothing happened with the change
>>in
>>law.
>>Makes me wonder why they changed it.
>
> It removed the legally held guns. That is all.

That's all, so it did do something.
Whether right or wrong something changed.


>>> Therefore as all the legal ones were individually registered by serial
>>> number to their owners they were simply collected.
>>
>>And what was the aim of that ?
>
> Good question.

That's why I asked it :-)


>>> So removing the legally held guns in the UK has had absolutely ZERO
>>> effect on gun crime.
>>
>>well of course not if you choose only to remove legal guns.
>>It's be like raiding my kitchen would stop knife crime.
>
> Exactly. It was pointless from a crime prevention stand point but the
> public had been whipped up into an anti gun frenzy.

Well I'm not sure how much of a frenzy it set up but I know
a few that were worried when the police storm a train and start
shooting terrorists. I just hope friends and family feel better
when it's a legal gun that's all.


>>> Similar is happening with photography now under the guise of terrorism.
>>you mean the rise in the number of P&S camera has resulted in the rise in
>>terrorism.
>
> Certainly not.

Well they are a number of places that don;t allow photography for that
reason,
or rather that's the reason given.


>
>>it's particularly noticeable with mobile phones too.
>
> Quite
>
>>In the UK that was one of the rising crimes, but parents were giving their
>>kids mobiles
>>so if they got in trouble they could phone the police or phone home.
>
> Actually I suspect as many phones were lost as stolen.... If you have
> kids you will know what I mean.

I guess so.
But it still and does make kids a target.

>>>>> The number of illegal guns has risen dramatically.
>>>>Yes well that's obvious.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>>Gangs have been importing them from eastern Europe.
> Mainly for their own use
>
>>Gun culture has come top teh UK partly via ganstar rap.
> BAN RAP!!!!
> :-)

I'd ban rap that incited violence or glorified criminal activity, or perhaps
a
not to be shown to the under 18.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 9:49 am
From: Chris H


In message <gvh3qq$1sn$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
dave@final.front.ear> writes
>
>"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:5NhYFhLEAtFKFAcV@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <gv6h32$keu$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
>> dave@final.front.ear> writes
>>>> It was not suddenly made illegal. NOTHING changed with the new gun laws.
>>>The why do you refer to them as NEW laws if nothing changed.
>>
>>
>> The new laws only affected the legally registered guns. These were not
>> used in crimes.
>
>So what were these laws and how have they changed things.

The law changed with respect to the types of guns that could be legally
owned. As ALL legal guns in the UK are registered by serial number to
the owner, their address and the storage place are on record when the
law changed the police simply asked for the owners to hand them in at
police stations.

AFAIK everyone complied. So here were no more illegal guns in
circulation the day after the ban than before. Certainly none of the
legally held guns became illegally held.

>>> before midnight on
>>>the day the NEW law was brought in thjen that gun at 1 second after
>>>midnight was illegal, or are you saying nothing happened with the change
>>>in
>>>law.
>>>Makes me wonder why they changed it.
>>
>> It removed the legally held guns. That is all.
>
>That's all, so it did do something.
>Whether right or wrong something changed.

Yes as did changing a speed limit for cars. Neither had any effect on
gun crime or the number of guns carried in public.

Not strictly true. The number of armed police did rise dramatically in
the years following the ban. This can not be put down to terrorism as
the terrorism threat was constant and if anything started to fall off
until the early 200's about 2003.

>>>> Therefore as all the legal ones were individually registered by serial
>>>> number to their owners they were simply collected.
>>>And what was the aim of that ?
>> Good question.
>
>That's why I asked it :-)

There are many political answers about reducing gun crime, which it did
not. As predicted by non- politicians it had no effect on gun crime so
there mush be another reason fro wanting to diss-arm the gund owners who
were on the whole white middle class.

>>>> So removing the legally held guns in the UK has had absolutely ZERO
>>>> effect on gun crime.
>>>
>>>well of course not if you choose only to remove legal guns.
>>>It's be like raiding my kitchen would stop knife crime.
>>
>> Exactly. It was pointless from a crime prevention stand point but the
>> public had been whipped up into an anti gun frenzy.
>
>Well I'm not sure how much of a frenzy it set up but I know
>a few that were worried when the police storm a train and start
>shooting terrorists. I just hope friends and family feel better
>when it's a legal gun that's all.

I am not sure what this has to do with the discussion.

BTW in the Mendes case he should not have even been on the train in the
first place. Had he been law abiding he would not have been there to be
shot.

>>>> Similar is happening with photography now under the guise of terrorism.
>>>you mean the rise in the number of P&S camera has resulted in the rise in
>>>terrorism.
>> Certainly not.
>Well they are a number of places that don;t allow photography for that
>reason,
>or rather that's the reason given.

I know.. The usual paranoia. Though there are a few places that do have
a good reason for not permitting photography (military bases and
vulnerable points) most are for commercial reasons

>>>it's particularly noticeable with mobile phones too.
>>
>> Quite
>>
>>>In the UK that was one of the rising crimes, but parents were giving their
>>>kids mobiles
>>>so if they got in trouble they could phone the police or phone home.
>>
>> Actually I suspect as many phones were lost as stolen.... If you have
>> kids you will know what I mean.
>
>I guess so.
>But it still and does make kids a target.

True. Some idiot tried to mug my some for his phone last week.


>>>Gangs have been importing them from eastern Europe.
>> Mainly for their own use
>>>Gun culture has come top teh UK partly via ganstar rap.
>> BAN RAP!!!!
>> :-)
>
>I'd ban rap that incited violence or glorified criminal activity, or perhaps
>a
>not to be shown to the under 18.

Hmmm..... censorship another difficult topic.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 9:23 am
From: Paul Furman


Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I'm not willing to assume that the unreasonable person in this
>> particular situation was the father, the photographer, or the
>> policeman. All we have to go on is a newspaper reporter's summary.
>> Newspaper reporters don't always bother to get the whole story or
>> report only what they think is newsworthy.
>
> Your statement that we only have the reporter's summary
> to go on is not correct. The judge threw the case out
> due to lack of evidence that he committed a crime at
> all, not due to any mistreatment or other activities at
> the police station.
>
> Very clearly the arresting officer was absolutely in
> error: no evidence!
>
>> Besides, the major complaints of the photographer were not about being
>> arrested, but about how he was treated later.
>
> But the problem is that he *was* arrested.

Agreed. The problem was being arrested, jailed, etc.


> The
> arresting police officer, despite what you and others
> have said, is *not* obligated to arrest someone only on
> the word of a citizen that a crime was committed. (In
> fact, in the US that is not allowed at all, but I have
> no idea what the law is in England in that respect.)
>


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 12:17 pm
From: Evan Platt


I bought a Kodak z1285s digital camera, and just ordered the easyshare
dock. If this is anything like my old Kodak and easyshare I had, the
dock will only recharge the Kodak battery packs - the packs have 2
tabs on them.

Well I guess I can confirm once I get the easyshare dock, but does
anyone know a trick to trick the camera into charging regular
rechargables in the easyshare cameras?

Looks like the pack hits / pushes two switches inside the camera... :(

Thanks.

Evan
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 12:42 pm
From: me@mine.net


http://www.nikonusa.com/Service-And-Support/Service-Advisories/CL-L2-Service-Advisory.page

See the above web page for photos and return form.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
May 26, 2009

Notice to users of the Semi-soft case CL-L2
(Supplied with the AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED and sold
separately)

Nikon Inc.

It has recently come to our attention that select components incorporated
in some CL-L2 Semi-soft cases may be compromised. This may result in
cracking of the bottom of the case. In a worst-case scenario, the bottom of
the case may fail. Should a failure occur, the case's contents would be
subject to release and possible damage. Nikon has studied this issue
thoroughly and steps have been taken to effectively correct this issue,
assuring the quality of CL-L2 Semi-soft cases going forward.

Recognizing the possible problem that may affect some number of CL-L2
Semi-soft cases, Nikon will replace cases affected by this issue free of
charge. In addition, Nikon will take what it has learned from this event,
applying it to quality assurance measures that will contribute to the
prevention of similar events in the future.

The CL-L2 Semi-soft case is supplied with the AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm
f/4G IF-ED, and available separately for use with 400mm, 500mm, and 600mm
AF-S or AF-I ED lenses.

This issue does not apply to CL-L2 Semi-soft cases with a "T" (in one of 2
variations) imprinted on the bottom of the case. These products meet Nikon
quality and durability standards, and replacement is not needed.

For further information about this issue, contact the Nikon Customer
Relations Department toll-free at 800-645-6687. Calls will be received
Monday thru Friday, between the hours of 6am-4pm, PDT.

To obtain a replacement CL-L2 Semi-soft case:
If you own a CL-L2 Semi-soft case affected by this issue (without a "T"
imprinted on the bottom of the case), please follow the return information
available from our website at: http://NikonUSA.com/CL-L2 or contact the
Nikon Customer Relations Department toll-free at 800-645-6687. Calls will
be received Monday through Friday, between the hours of 6am-4pm, PDT.

A Customer Relations agent will confirm that your CL-L2 Semi-soft case is
affected by this issue and arrange for its return to Nikon, at Nikon's
expense. When the affected case is received by Nikon, a replacement CL-L2
Semi-soft case will be shipped to you free of charge. It may be necessary
for the Nikon Service Relations agent to request personal information in
connection with the CL-L2 replacement process. Such information will not be
used for any other purpose.

Nikon thanks you for making our brand an integral part of your photographic
system and regrets any inconvenience this issue may have caused.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 26 2009 2:30 pm
From: Paul Furman


me@mine.net wrote:
> http://www.nikonusa.com/Service-And-Support/Service-Advisories/CL-L2-Service-Advisory.page
>
> See the above web page for photos and return form.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> May 26, 2009
>
> Notice to users of the Semi-soft case CL-L2
> (Supplied with the AF-S VR Zoom-NIKKOR 200-400mm f/4G IF-ED and sold
> separately)

Off-topic but what would you think of a 600mm f/4 Ai lens? I'm looking
at an old beater for $1,700 which no doubt looks ugly & has minor
scratches but should not have fungus or mechanical failure. Reviews
suggest it is a really excellent lens. Modern VR versions are $10k. It
focuses to 3m and is ED-IF. Seems to be about $3k for one in good shape.
Worst case is send it back (lotsa shipping) or to be serviced ($150 plus
shipping).

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