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TOPIC: Oracle buys Sun, owner of MySQL
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/66afe465185d3d7c?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 10:24 am
From: Philip
Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <oumdnbLCc89nlXPUnZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> sheldonlg <sheldonlg> wrote:
>> .. and Oracle does not have an auto-increment feature. You have to
>> create a sequence.
>
> In other words, Oracle follows the SQL standard, and MySQL does not.
> None of the major databases actually does a good job of following the
> standard, but MySQL seems to be the most egregious violator, leading to
> a lot of people finding that their database code has ended up being
> MySQL-specific.
Yes, Oracle never goes above and beyond. Migrating an older Informix
application to Oracle was a beast. The other half of the system went to
MySQL. That was a big beast too. Good thing it was reference part and
not the transactional part. You are right, each vendor's SQL is
essentially a lock in.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:00 pm
From: J G Miller
On Wednesday, April 22nd, 2009 at 16:59:00h +0200, Hadron the Quark postulated:
> No real companies or anyone half sane is going to trust their documents
> to Google.
Is that why you use Google mail, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com>, then?
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:17 pm
From: Ignoramus1265
On 2009-04-22, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus1265 <ignoramus1265@NOSPAM.1265.invalid> writes:
>
>> I have been using OO for years and I have yet to find something that I
>> need to do and cannot do. I also do not recall it ever crashing on
>> me. I also had it on Windows when I still used Windows at work.
>
> Your needs are not those others.
Sure. All I want is to make documents and spreadsheets with formulas.
>>
>> On windows, I must say, some boneheaded programs required having
>> Excel, which was annoying.
>
> You mean via automation? Like how most businesses work? DCOM
> plugins/interfaces that type of thing? There is a reason OO is not used
> in businesses generally you know - and its not because its free ....
Well, this was one program out of very many, and it was not related to
its central feature. Looked more like something boneheaded on some
people's part.
>> GoogleFinance function that returns current and historical stock
>> prices. So this way I can have a spreadsheet that calculates my exact
>> net worth at any given moment, based on the securities that I own,
>> which is very handy.
>
> You choose a storage plan based on a gimick freebie?
Why, you think that Google will lose my documents one day?
>> This is a big deal to me, as I use a lot of computers and many
>> locations (home, work, and laptop). That extra feature of Google Docs
>> is hard to match in any PC application.
>
> If you're on the net, use ssh to your own server.
ssh and then what? X over ssh?
>> All in all, I find this MS office FUD to be often sincere, but I think
>> that it reality it is off the mark.
>>
>> i
>
> No real companies or anyone half sane is going to trust their documents
> to Google.
Why not? Google does not lose them, after all. Most things are not
that secret, and mind you google does keep them as private as you
would designate.
i
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:17 pm
From: William Poaster
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:19:16 -0400, above the shrieking & whining of the
trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, terryc belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:33:22 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>> That's a very good point: Open office is in fact for me as a casual
>>>> user, streets ahead of MS office.
>>>
>>> Justify that please. As "free" SW it's OK. As a replacement for MSO
>>> (already entrenched) its simply not up to the mark. It's slow, buggy and
>>> often ugly. Just how it is better than MSO?
>>
>> True WordPerfect Office is far better than either for real work {:-).
>> Open Office suffices for the casual user without the bloat and cost of MS
>> Office.
>
> More than just casual. I use it at work all the time to generate Word,
> Excel, and Powerpoint documents, and to view extremely complex MS Office
> documents. It even handles the newest treadmill-upgrade MS formats
> tolerably well.
>
> Hadron is wrong, too. OpenOffice not slow, buggy, or ugly. It does have
> as many user-interface issues as the Microsoft Office products, though --
> just different ones.
Well we already know that Hadron Quack is a M$ fanboi, & promotes M$
products at every opportunity.
> Microsoft apparently /still/ has not figured out what kind of user interface
> they want in Office, by the way.
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== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:29 pm
From: "Greg Russell"
"William Poaster" <wp@ubuntu-hardy64.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.04.22.22.17.07.345909@ubuntu-hardy64.org...
> Conficker, coming to a M$ windows machine near you!
> 2 million infected, & counting:
> http://securitylabs.websense.com/content/Alerts/3329.aspx
Yes, an M$-IIS web server "updated" 03.30.2009 -- thanks for the laugh.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 5:00 pm
From: terryc
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:53:49 +0200, Aleks A.-Lessmann wrote:
> On 21 Apr 2009 01:46:10 GMT, terryc wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:53:30 -0500, Ignoramus32638 wrote:
>>> Is it in Oracle's interests to continue developing MySQL as a free,
>>> viable and powerful database system?
>>AFAIK, MySql isn't that powerful, so unless Oracle release a free
>
> Are you talking from experience? Because my experience here is that it
> can handle high traffic with no problems,
Define high traffic?
What applications?
> My experience wand it's only in very precise configurations that it
runs into problems. I would definitely see it on
> par with Oracle in many typical DB use scenarios.
That is the point, what "typical" means in each case. I don't think I'd
look at Oracle for distributed data (two way flow) with automated
updating, centralised data dictionary. OTOH, as a centralised server, why
not.
> I have deployed MySQL
> or seen it running in conditions where Oracle would have been my choice
> until I saw MySQL could handle the situation.
Really a business question. if MySQL works, why not.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 5:02 pm
From: terryc
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:13:33 -0500, Ignoramus1265 wrote:
> My son can run OpenOffice on his 9 year laptop with 256 MB of RAM. It is
> slow on it, but it works.
256Mb or RAM <drool>.
>
> Google Docs also lets me share documents with other people, such as my
> coworkers or my spouse, friends etc (depending on the document,
> obviously).
"sound business practise."
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TOPIC: Temperature problem
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/2440e9ccf59092b4?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 10:29 am
From: Dan C
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>
>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual core
>>>>> CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>
>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled properly.
>>>
>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where can i
>>> find some information?
>>
>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>
>> Duh.
>
> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>
> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 10:54 am
From: Luca
Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:29:40 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
>
>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual
>>>>>> core CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled properly.
>>>>
>>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where can i
>>>> find some information?
>>>
>>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>>
>>> Duh.
>>
>> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>>
>> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
>
> Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
>
> Is stupidity painful?
Who do you think you are?
If you want to answear to use google, without suggent what to ask to
google, please don't answear...you're useless.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 10:44 am
From: Bill Marcum
On 2009-04-22, Luca <lucaver@inwind.it> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual core CPU.
> I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>
> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I haven't so
> high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy "performance" o
> "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>
> Somebody know something about this problem?
>
> Thank you
> Luca
Have you tried using "top" to see what process is using the cpu?
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:02 pm
From: Nathan Keel
Dan C wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
>
>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual
>>>>>> core CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled
>>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where can
>>>> i find some information?
>>>
>>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>>
>>> Duh.
>>
>> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>>
>> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
>
> Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
>
> Is stupidity painful?
>
>
Why read a post asking for help if you're just going to berate the guy
asking? Maybe consider laying off the guy. If you aren't able or
willing to help him, don't reply.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:03 pm
From: Nathan Keel
Luca wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual core
> CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>
> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I haven't
> so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy "performance" o
> "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>
> Somebody know something about this problem?
>
> Thank you
> Luca
Are you running anything specific when you see this difference? Have
you considered that one platform may not be reading the temp properly,
rather than the use actually being too different? Is the usage heavier
or lighter on one OS or the other? Did you run any tests to get the
usage high and see what temp it reports for both OSes?
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:59 pm
From: "s. keeling"
Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>:
> Dan C wrote:
>
> [nothing much].
>
> Why read a post asking for help if you're just going to berate the guy
Dan appears to have an extreme case of Doesn't Suffer Fools Lightly,
and is quick to label people Fools.
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== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:07 pm
From: "s. keeling"
Luca <lucaver@inwind.it>:
>
> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual core CPU.
> I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>
> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I haven't so
> high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy "performance" o
> "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
Hopefully, you've solved this by now. If not, look into
cpufrequtils. It allows the kernel to do frequency scaling.
"ondemand" took mine from 70 C to 55 C. When cpu load goes up, cpu
scales up in MHz.
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TOPIC: Mozilla Thunderbird - charset of messages
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/cd551a52a586ecb3?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 11:35 am
From: A Watcher
When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with
the charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be
ISO-8859-1 instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many browsers.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 1:23 pm
From: wisdomkiller & pain
A Watcher wrote:
> When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with
> the charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be
> ISO-8859-1 instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many
> browsers.
From your headers:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
Looks like you did it already?
However, a "browser" is not the best means to read usenet news, so don't be
worried too much about the googlegroopers lurking on IE, firefox or others.
Most *real* newsreaders are able to check for 8-bit characters and only
announce 8-bit or utf-8 when they appear in your message.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:41 pm
From: A Watcher
wisdomkiller & pain wrote:
> A Watcher wrote:
>
>> When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with
>> the charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be
>> ISO-8859-1 instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many
>> browsers.
>
> From your headers:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
>
> Looks like you did it already?
> However, a "browser" is not the best means to read usenet news, so don't be
> worried too much about the googlegroopers lurking on IE, firefox or others.
> Most *real* newsreaders are able to check for 8-bit characters and only
> announce 8-bit or utf-8 when they appear in your message.
I typed browser out of habit, I meant newsreader. Yes when I originate
a message it gets the right charset, but when I reply I seem to get the
charset of the originator.
The Pan newsreader seems to default to the UTF charset and that looks
faint on my PC. I have found how to set the charset in Pan, but I
normally use Thunderbird.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 1:45 pm
From: Jakub Fišer
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:35:27 -0700, A Watcher <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote:
> When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with the
> charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be ISO-8859-1
> instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many browsers.
From where did you get this information exactly?
We're in 21st century - any browser can handle UTF if the page has proper
headers. If something goes wrong then it's usually not a browser problem...
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:28 pm
From: marrgol
On 2009-04-22 20:35, A Watcher wrote:
> When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with
> the charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be
> ISO-8859-1 instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many
> browsers.
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Config Editor
intl.charset.default = ISO-8859-1
mailnews.reply_in_default_charset = true
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:26 pm
From: wisdomkiller & pain
A Watcher wrote:
....
> I typed browser out of habit, I meant newsreader. Yes when I originate
> a message it gets the right charset, but when I reply I seem to get the
> charset of the originator.
>
Your reply this time got 8859-1 as well, with my post ascii (headers, look).
> The Pan newsreader seems to default to the UTF charset and that looks
> faint on my PC. I have found how to set the charset in Pan, but I
> normally use Thunderbird.
There is a default charset setting in thunderbird per server as well, and
don't forget the about:config (advanced) and all the possible charset
settings there.
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TOPIC: dir permissions in linux: does a "w" without an "x" mean anything
useful?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/8ce521fa9a32e492?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 11:02 am
From: Robert Heller
At Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Rahul <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> Questions about permissions on Linux:
>
> (1) Is there any situation where one might want to give a write permision
> but deny a read permission (file or dir)? Or is this combination always
> meaningless (as it naiively seems to me)
w without r simply allows writing, but not reading. From the specific
user's POV, it is like a black hole: files can be writen to, but not read.
>
> (2)For directories specificlly:
>
> I tried giving my group w permissions on a dir. What exactly does the w
> allow them to do? I thought it was supposed to allow them to delete files
> in that dir but it does not (unless combined with an x).
>
> drwxrw---- dir
> -rw-r----- dir/file
>
> Neither can they delete that dir itself.
>
> In fact although there's read permissions on both dir and dir/file they
> cannot read that file either. I thought even without the x permission on a
> dir a user was supposed to be able to read a file if he knew the exact
> name.
Yes. He does need read access through all directories in the path.
>
> To rephrase: "What previlage does a "w" on a dir yield by itself? Or does
> it always have to be combined with an "x"?"
"w" on a dir yields file delete and create access (eg the ablity to
change the directory file itself, by adding and deleting entries).
>
> I've always used chmod g+rx on dirs but just got me thinking today.
'x' on a directory allows for a directory listing (or anything similar,
like wildcard (or shell) expansion). Without the 'x', the given user
cannot see what else is in the directory. A 'w' (and/or 'r') on a
directory *without* a 'x' restricts the class of users (group or other)
to only delete (and/or read) files, so long as the full pathname is
(blindly) known to that class of users.
>
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 11:17 am
From: wisdomkiller & pain
Rahul wrote:
> Questions about permissions on Linux:
>
....
Best you can do is to try it out with a testdir and a (set of) testfile(s).
You should notice, "execute" on a directory means "traverse permission".
Ownership or group r/w permissions for a directory include files therein.
There are sgid and sticky bits as well, for fine-tuning.
Just a little googling will lead you to sites like
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html
and many others.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:06 pm
From: Nathan Keel
Rahul wrote:
> Questions about permissions on Linux:
>
> (1) Is there any situation where one might want to give a write
> permision but deny a read permission (file or dir)? Or is this
> combination always meaningless (as it naiively seems to me)
>
> (2)For directories specificlly:
>
> I tried giving my group w permissions on a dir. What exactly does the
> w allow them to do? I thought it was supposed to allow them to delete
> files in that dir but it does not (unless combined with an x).
>
> drwxrw---- dir
> -rw-r----- dir/file
>
> Neither can they delete that dir itself.
>
> In fact although there's read permissions on both dir and dir/file
> they cannot read that file either. I thought even without the x
> permission on a dir a user was supposed to be able to read a file if
> he knew the exact name.
>
> To rephrase: "What previlage does a "w" on a dir yield by itself? Or
> does it always have to be combined with an "x"?"
>
> I've always used chmod g+rx on dirs but just got me thinking today.
>
The x is executable. The w is write. The r is read. d is directory -
for file. For no file listings in a directory for another user, set
the directory to 0711 (or 0701) instead of 0760 (which you have now).
Otherwise only the user that owns the directory can view/access or run
the file.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:12 pm
From: Jakub Fišer
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:02:16 -0500, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
> At Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Rahul <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > Questions about permissions on Linux:
> >
> > (1) Is there any situation where one might want to give a write permision
> > but deny a read permission (file or dir)? Or is this combination always
> > meaningless (as it naiively seems to me)
>
> w without r simply allows writing, but not reading. From the specific
> user's POV, it is like a black hole: files can be writen to, but not read.
WOM (Write-only media - that includes files, that cannot be read from) can be
used for example for storing private keys - noone really need to know the key,
just a secure mechanism to use the key - like smardcards or tokens. Same can be
done for a file if you want to (i.e. readable only by encryption software, but
writable with key generator)... Just a wild idea :)
>
> >
> > (2)For directories specificlly:
> >
> > I tried giving my group w permissions on a dir. What exactly does the w
> > allow them to do? I thought it was supposed to allow them to delete files
> > in that dir but it does not (unless combined with an x).
> >
> > drwxrw---- dir
> > -rw-r----- dir/file
> >
> > Neither can they delete that dir itself.
> >
> > In fact although there's read permissions on both dir and dir/file they
> > cannot read that file either. I thought even without the x permission on a
> > dir a user was supposed to be able to read a file if he knew the exact
> > name.
>
> Yes. He does need read access through all directories in the path.
Nope, read permission on a directory is not needed when accessing its
files, "execute" permission is. see down:
>
> >
> > To rephrase: "What previlage does a "w" on a dir yield by itself? Or does
> > it always have to be combined with an "x"?"
>
> "w" on a dir yields file delete and create access (eg the ablity to
> change the directory file itself, by adding and deleting entries).
this part is true - an entry can be whatever can reside in filesystem (file,
directory, symlink, socket, pipe...) - BUT:
> >
> > I've always used chmod g+rx on dirs but just got me thinking today.
>
> 'x' on a directory allows for a directory listing (or anything similar,
> like wildcard (or shell) expansion). Without the 'x', the given user
> cannot see what else is in the directory. A 'w' (and/or 'r') on a
> directory *without* a 'x' restricts the class of users (group or other)
> to only delete (and/or read) files, so long as the full pathname is
> (blindly) known to that class of users.
this paragraph is a mixup. the -x- permission allows one to ACCESS the
directory (i.e. "chdir to it" and interact with its entries) while the -r-
allows one to see its content (i.e. "ls it"). The -w- lets user modify the
directory content (i.e. adding and removing entries). Now it gets interesting:)
The -w- lets you change the content BUT the content is in fact a bunch of
entries which cannot be interacted without -x- permission. Hence an -w- without
-x- doesn't make much sense* while an -x- without -w- or -r- makes perfect
sense.
(*) while you cannot interact with entries in the directory, you can still
interact with the directory itself - like changing its modification time or
group - for that you don't need the -x- permission.
If you want to acces a file in the filesystem, all directories in path must
have at least -x- permission for you.
There is however one problem with -w-: anyone who has the -w- permission can
delete any file in the directory even if the file is inaccesible to him in
any way, since he is not interacting with the file itself but just with an
entry in a directory.
To prevent this we have yet another "permission" - sticky. On files it has no
effect (it has something to do with keeping binaries in memory but now its
ignored).On DIRECTORIES however it makes you unable to delete entries that you
do not own.
hope it makes better sense to you now :)
cheers,
-miky
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* Canon DSLR Live View - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* New Mandate: Punography - 4 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Canon DSLR Live View
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/21ca0cd9457ba13c?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:08 pm
From: Chris Malcolm
Eugene <eugenhughes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Canon Live View in the 1000D/XS for example
> can give live view in the LCD rather than
> optical viewfinder. How come previous Digital
> SLR didn't make this feature available?
Why don't the previous DSLRs with live view LCD count as "making this
feature available"?
--
Chris Malcolm
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:28 pm
From: Doug Jewell
Eugene wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Canon Live View in the 1000D/XS for example
> can give live view in the LCD rather than
> optical viewfinder. How come previous Digital
> SLR didn't make this feature available?
To provide live-view requires additional circuitry on the
sensor chip to do continuous live read-out. This additional
circuitry adds to the chip cost & complexity, and also
degrades still image quality slightly - the presence of the
live read-out circuitry means less area available for light
gathering.
Earlier DSLRs, I guess the manufacturers decided that people
wouldn't want live-view on a DSLR and would prefer the
better image quality. As chip technology has progressed,
they can now do live-view and maintain image quality. And
since there is now demand in DSLR for the feature (because
of the P&S brigade upgrading to DSLR), they are starting to
put it in most models now.
>
> Also anyone owns any one of these Canon Live View DSLR?
Yes. Slightly more useful than a gimmick, but only slightly.
Out of about 10,000 shots I've made with my 450D, I'd say
I've used liveview for no more than 20. A couple of "over
the crowd" shots at a local parade, and a few macro shots.
>
> I'd use a 1000mm f/10 Russian Telephoto on
> it. Can the contrast autofocus work? The
> telephoto is manual and have to turn it
> manually. So I guess that I can see the view
> direclty in the LCD to see the best focus?
> What then is the function of Contrast or
> AF autofocus in this case?
If your lens is only manual, then guess what? Surprise
surprise, autofocus won't work. No, not even contrast detect
autofocus. What you can do in live-view mode is magnify the
image x5 or x10 (on the 450D you can, I assume the 1000
would be the same) so you can preview the manual focus. Will
probably be a bit grainy with an F10 lens though.
>
> Thanks.
>
> E.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:21 pm
From: Eugene
On Apr 23, 5:28 am, Doug Jewell <a...@and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote:
> Eugene wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > Canon Live View in the 1000D/XS for example
> > can give live view in the LCD rather than
> > optical viewfinder. How come previous Digital
> > SLR didn't make this feature available?
>
> To provide live-view requires additional circuitry on the
> sensor chip to do continuous live read-out. This additional
> circuitry adds to the chip cost & complexity, and also
> degrades still image quality slightly - the presence of the
> live read-out circuitry means less area available for light
> gathering.
> Earlier DSLRs, I guess the manufacturers decided that people
> wouldn't want live-view on a DSLR and would prefer the
> better image quality. As chip technology has progressed,
> they can now do live-view and maintain image quality. And
> since there is now demand in DSLR for the feature (because
> of the P&S brigade upgrading to DSLR), they are starting to
> put it in most models now.
>
> > Also anyone owns any one of these Canon Live View DSLR?
>
> Yes. Slightly more useful than a gimmick, but only slightly.
> Out of about 10,000 shots I've made with my 450D, I'd say
> I've used liveview for no more than 20. A couple of "over
> the crowd" shots at a local parade, and a few macro shots.
>
> > I'd use a 1000mm f/10 Russian Telephoto on
> > it. Can the contrast autofocus work? The
> > telephoto is manual and have to turn it
> > manually. So I guess that I can see the view
> > direclty in the LCD to see the best focus?
> > What then is the function of Contrast or
> > AF autofocus in this case?
>
> If your lens is only manual, then guess what? Surprise
> surprise, autofocus won't work. No, not even contrast detect
Autofocus may not work but if you turn the lens manually,
focus confirmation can light up if the correct focus is
achieved. So it is like Autofocus except you turn the
lens manually.This is why some adapter for non-canon
manual lens uses chip to activate the Canon confirm
confirmation like:
http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/canon-eos-adapter-focus-confirm.htm
What do you say?
E
> autofocus. What you can do in live-view mode is magnify the
> image x5 or x10 (on the 450D you can, I assume the 1000
> would be the same) so you can preview the manual focus. Will
> probably be a bit grainy with an F10 lens though.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > E.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:21 pm
From: "Charles"
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:220420091213314368%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article
> <41013a87-9d0e-40e2-8d30-a673c2687c23@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Pat
> <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
>> I have live view and frankly, don't know what all of the fuss is
>> about. It has very little usefulness.
>>
>> So you're out with your 1000mm lens. Good. And it's on a tripod,
>> because it is, after all, a 1000 mm lens. So what real advantage does
>> live view have -- esp. in daylight where you can't see it as well. It
>> really isn't too difficult to look through the viewfinder and get a
>> much better view of the picture.
>
> macro is one scenario where live view is fantastic.
To be sure ... it can save the day with some macro shots!
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:42 pm
From: "Dudley Hanks"
"Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gso59n$qdn$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:220420091213314368%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> In article
>> <41013a87-9d0e-40e2-8d30-a673c2687c23@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Pat
>> <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I have live view and frankly, don't know what all of the fuss is
>>> about. It has very little usefulness.
>>>
>>> So you're out with your 1000mm lens. Good. And it's on a tripod,
>>> because it is, after all, a 1000 mm lens. So what real advantage does
>>> live view have -- esp. in daylight where you can't see it as well. It
>>> really isn't too difficult to look through the viewfinder and get a
>>> much better view of the picture.
>>
>> macro is one scenario where live view is fantastic.
>
> To be sure ... it can save the day with some macro shots!
>
Also, the LV focus can focus in lower lighting situations where the normal,
or Quick Focus, has problems. I know that won't carry a lot of weight,
since it comes from somebody who has problems getting the focus where he
wants it, but, it does seem to have a lower operating threshold.
So, that 1,000 mm lens sitting on the tripod might benefit from LV, even on
a sunny day, and even if you can see the image, yourself, better through the
viewfinder. The camera might see it better with LV -- especially if you
plop a 2X converter on it and cut the aperture in half.
Take Care,
Dudley
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:32 pm
From: Eugene
On Apr 23, 6:42 am, "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote:
> "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gso59n$qdn$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:220420091213314368%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> >> In article
> >> <41013a87-9d0e-40e2-8d30-a673c2687...@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>, Pat
> >> <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> >>> I have live view and frankly, don't know what all of the fuss is
> >>> about. It has very little usefulness.
>
> >>> So you're out with your 1000mm lens. Good. And it's on a tripod,
> >>> because it is, after all, a 1000 mm lens. So what real advantage does
> >>> live view have -- esp. in daylight where you can't see it as well. It
> >>> really isn't too difficult to look through the viewfinder and get a
> >>> much better view of the picture.
>
> >> macro is one scenario where live view is fantastic.
>
> > To be sure ... it can save the day with some macro shots!
>
> Also, the LV focus can focus in lower lighting situations where the normal,
> or Quick Focus, has problems. I know that won't carry a lot of weight,
> since it comes from somebody who has problems getting the focus where he
> wants it, but, it does seem to have a lower operating threshold.
Has anyone tried F/10 with the LiveView by using teleconverter
with say a 400mm telephoto? How is the image? How
is Contrast Autofocus.. Can it still focus? (I assume Phase
Detection no longer works with F/10 even in Live View).
Also does Manual focusing guarantee to work by
zooming in on the object for more accurate manual
focusing (if it is bright enough in the first place to
zoom in).
>
> So, that 1,000 mm lens sitting on the tripod might benefit from LV, even on
> a sunny day, and even if you can see the image, yourself, better through the
> viewfinder. The camera might see it better with LV -- especially if you
> plop a 2X converter on it and cut the aperture in half.
A 2X converter would make the 1000mm lens 2000mm.
It won't cut the aperture in half but just extend the focal
length.
E
>
> Take Care,
> Dudley- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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TOPIC: New Mandate: Punography
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e22297df98c46fc4?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:34 pm
From: "Frank ess"
Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
>> news:GL2dnfCROt7f0HDUnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> STILL guess I need to have someone show me an example of a visual
>>> pun that does not depend on words.
>
>> Isn't the definition of a pun a "play on words"? - If it is, then
>> a pun that doesn't depend on words would be impossible.
>
> I think you're missing that important feature of human natural
> language which allows the meanings of words to be extended. That's
> why for example we can talk of cameras having a family resemblance
> even though cameras don't have families, why we can talk of high
> contrast even though it's no higher off the ground than low
> contrast, and so on. And why we can talk of visual puns.
WTF is "human natural language"? Language is not natural. It's an
artefact of natural processes.
My Philosophy of Science professor, Dr Harrah, used to speak of "The
largest glacier in Riverside (California) County. There am no such
animal.
That's cool, talking of visual puns.
I need someone to show me one.
--
Frank ess
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:35 pm
From: "Frank ess"
whisky-dave wrote:
> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:1cmdnWDBi86tlXDUnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Leon@here.com wrote:
>>
>>> and the word 'pussy' is used for the same thing even in French.
>>> I've heard the
>>> word 'chat' used in France to describe a womans....!
>>
>> Chatte, actually. (feminine of chat) or "Minou".
>>
>> With Minou being the more acceptable 'slang' and
>> 'chatte' being the obscene.
>
> I thought it was chat because French women can't stop talking :)
>
>
> Although that's rather unfair, I mean isn't it that all women can;t
> stop talking ;-)
I think they can, just don't know when to.
(Shut UP, he explained)
--
Frank ess
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 2:02 pm
From: "Larry Thong"
Savageduck wrote:
> You poor soul, you are solely without sole.
Like I always tell the Brotha! "If I had your shoes I'd have soul"
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:37 pm
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Frank ess <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Bill Graham <weg9@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
>>> news:GL2dnfCROt7f0HDUnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> STILL guess I need to have someone show me an example of a visual
>>>> pun that does not depend on words.
>>
>>> Isn't the definition of a pun a "play on words"? - If it is, then
>>> a pun that doesn't depend on words would be impossible.
>>
>> I think you're missing that important feature of human natural
>> language which allows the meanings of words to be extended. That's
>> why for example we can talk of cameras having a family resemblance
>> even though cameras don't have families, why we can talk of high
>> contrast even though it's no higher off the ground than low
>> contrast, and so on. And why we can talk of visual puns.
> WTF is "human natural language"? Language is not natural. It's an
> artefact of natural processes.
In linguistics and cognitive science "human natural language" is used
to describe those human languages which have been naturally developed
as opposed to those specifically invented languages such as Esperanto,
algebra, and Fortran.
--
Chris Malcolm
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TOPIC: New Portugese convertible !!!!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 12:40 pm
From: "Frank ess"
Bruce wrote:
> Paul Giverin <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <N6ednUn8YIsgyHPUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@novis.pt>, Focus
>> <dont@mail.me> writes
>>> 70 MPG
>>> http://caldasdarainha.olx.pt/magalhaes-movel-iid-16058871
>>> ;-)
>> Do you really have to cross post this shite to all these groups?
>
>
> Does he ever post anything else?
I dono. I never look at them.
It's nice that you both left the URL unmolested, so others could judge
for themselves. Very considerate. Equitable, even.
--
Frank ess
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 1:51 pm
From: John McWilliams
Paul Giverin wrote:
> In message <N6ednUn8YIsgyHPUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@novis.pt>, Focus
> <dont@mail.me> writes
>> 70 MPG
>> http://caldasdarai << Snipped bits out >>
>> ;-)
> Do you really have to cross post this shite to all these groups?
He seems to have a need to x-post. Sometimes crap and sometimes not.
One thing folks can do is remove extraneous groups but the one they wish
to read:
[out]
uk.rec.photo.misc
rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
aus.photo
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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:09 pm
From: Bruce
"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>Bruce wrote:
>> Paul Giverin <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <N6ednUn8YIsgyHPUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@novis.pt>, Focus
>>> <dont@mail.me> writes
>>>> 70 MPG
>>>> http://caldasdarainha.olx.pt/magalhaes-movel-iid-16058871
>>>> ;-)
>>> Do you really have to cross post this shite to all these groups?
>>
>>
>> Does he ever post anything else?
>
>I dono. I never look at them.
>
>It's nice that you both left the URL unmolested, so others could judge
>for themselves. Very considerate. Equitable, even.
My pleasure, Frank.
A minor detail: No-one forced you to click on the link. ;-)
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:07 pm
From: "Frank ess"
Bruce wrote:
> "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> Paul Giverin <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <N6ednUn8YIsgyHPUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@novis.pt>, Focus
>>>> <dont@mail.me> writes
>>>>> 70 MPG
>>>>> http://caldasdarainha.olx.pt/magalhaes-movel-iid-16058871
>>>>> ;-)
>>>> Do you really have to cross post this shite to all these groups?
>>>
>>>
>>> Does he ever post anything else?
>>
>> I dono. I never look at them.
>>
>> It's nice that you both left the URL unmolested, so others could
>> judge for themselves. Very considerate. Equitable, even.
>
>
> My pleasure, Frank.
>
> A minor detail: No-one forced you to click on the link. ;-)
You got the "minor" wrong; did you read where I didn't ever look at
them? ... "never", "ever", pretty difficult to make the conversion,
eh?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:39 pm
From: Bruce
"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>
>
>Bruce wrote:
>> "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>> Paul Giverin <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <N6ednUn8YIsgyHPUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@novis.pt>, Focus
>>>>> <dont@mail.me> writes
>>>>>> 70 MPG
>>>>>> http://caldasdarainha.olx.pt/magalhaes-movel-iid-16058871
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> Do you really have to cross post this shite to all these groups?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does he ever post anything else?
>>>
>>> I dono. I never look at them.
>>>
>>> It's nice that you both left the URL unmolested, so others could
>>> judge for themselves. Very considerate. Equitable, even.
>>
>>
>> My pleasure, Frank.
>>
>> A minor detail: No-one forced you to click on the link. ;-)
>
>You got the "minor" wrong; did you read where I didn't ever look at
>them? ... "never", "ever", pretty difficult to make the conversion,
>eh?
I couldn't find "dono" in the dictionary so I gave up reading after
that. ;-)
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TOPIC: Are todays LCD screen any good in bright weather
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/d70e4ce3863b627f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:17 pm
From: "Charles"
"Ken" <none@none.co.uk> wrote in message
news:49ef49a2$0$2544$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>I have an older Nikon 7900 with 2" screen and even in normal light
>sometimes have to take a guess when outside that I have got the subject in
>frame. I was thinking of getting a modern digi camera with 2.5 or bigger
>LCD screen but only if I feel convinced they are better to use outside.
>Whats the point in having to guess the shot???
>
> Anyone with a modern camera with the LCD that will work in brighter
> conditions?
LCDs are terrible in outside bright light.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:28 pm
From: Alfred Molon
In article <49ef49a2$0$2544$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, Ken says ...
> I have an older Nikon 7900 with 2" screen and even in normal light sometimes
> have to take a guess when outside that I have got the subject in frame. I
> was thinking of getting a modern digi camera with 2.5 or bigger LCD screen
> but only if I feel convinced they are better to use outside. Whats the point
> in having to guess the shot???
>
> Anyone with a modern camera with the LCD that will work in brighter
> conditions?
The LCD of the Sony R1 works fine even in the brightest daylight, even
with the midday sun shining on it. On the other hand the LCD of the Sony
A350 (a DSLR) performs quite poorly in bright light.
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http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
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TOPIC: Why DSLR mirrors must eventually go
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/68febc4ea5622551?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 3:25 pm
From: Alfred Molon
In article <49edbe48$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Hans Kruse says
...
>
> "Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2457c9bd9eafea7a98bfb3@news.supernews.com...
> > In article <49ed7e81$0$90275$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Hans Kruse says
> > ...
> >
> >> This issue has been known for a long time. MLU is available for that
> >> reason.
> >
> > According to the article:
> >
> > "it was confirmed that the vibration generated by releasing the shutter
> > remains even when a picture is taken after a certain period of time from
> > the mirror lockup to prevent a mirror shock"
>
> The shutter release vibrations has nothing to do with getting rid of the
> mirror, does it?
They obviously mean the mirror induced vibrations.
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Alfred Molon
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:22 pm
From: Alan Browne
Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <49edbe48$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Hans Kruse says
> ...
>> "Alfred Molon" <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2457c9bd9eafea7a98bfb3@news.supernews.com...
>>> In article <49ed7e81$0$90275$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Hans Kruse says
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> This issue has been known for a long time. MLU is available for that
>>>> reason.
>>> According to the article:
>>>
>>> "it was confirmed that the vibration generated by releasing the shutter
>>> remains even when a picture is taken after a certain period of time from
>>> the mirror lockup to prevent a mirror shock"
>> The shutter release vibrations has nothing to do with getting rid of the
>> mirror, does it?
>
> They obviously mean the mirror induced vibrations.
The shutter induces vibrations as well, esp. in focal plane SLR's. In
lens shuttered systems, it is greatly reduced as long as the mirror is
locked up first.
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:31 pm
From: nospam
In article <bvOdnVtm1-hfO3LUnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> > They obviously mean the mirror induced vibrations.
>
> The shutter induces vibrations as well, esp. in focal plane SLR's.
insignificant.
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TOPIC: Focus Confirmation
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e4cdfb75a347ac36?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:24 pm
From: Eugene
On Apr 23, 12:45 am, John Passaneau <jx...@psu.edu> wrote:
> Eugene wrote:
> > On Apr 22, 9:59 pm, John Passaneau <jx...@psu.edu> wrote:
> >> Eugene wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> In Canon DSLR, there is a Focus Confirmation
> >>> dot in the viewfinder. Supposed you are using
> >>> Manual Focus. Does this Focus Confirmation
> >>> works by Phase-Difference Sensor with
> >>> AF lights or does it use Contrast Detection
> >>> like in those models with Live View Mode?
> >>> (or other mechanisms that doesn't use
> >>> the two?
> >>> E
> >> It uses the same sensor that is used for auto focus. The
> >> Phase-Difference method is used in the live view mode because the
> >> mirror is up in live view and the auto focus sensor is blocked. In
> >> manual focus the mirror is down and the auto focus sensor is active.
>
> >> John Passaneau
>
> > But how could that be. In manual focus, no infrared light is
> > sent to the subject to gauge distance because it is
> > manual focus in the first place where you are the one
> > to adjust the distance. Also I'm talking about the focus
> > confirmation in other Canon without Live View like
> > the 20D, etc.
>
> > E
>
> That is because Canon DSLR's don't use infrared light to auto focus.
> It's auto focus sensors are passive. This is why in low light the auto
> focus becomes slow or doesn't work.
>
> John Passaneau- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Why come point&shoot digicam doesn't use phase detection
autofocusing. If it is costly. How come the DSLR doesn't
use the cheaper Active Autofocus used in point&shoot
which emits light and use reflections to gauge distance.
Both are equally fast and accurate.
E
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:29 pm
From: nospam
In article
<765c2bff-e250-4b4f-bbe3-0de0c9bede41@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Eugene <eugenhughes@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why come point&shoot digicam doesn't use phase detection
> autofocusing.
where would you put the phase detect sensors and mirror?
> If it is costly. How come the DSLR doesn't
> use the cheaper Active Autofocus used in point&shoot
> which emits light and use reflections to gauge distance.
> Both are equally fast and accurate.
cameras haven't used autofocus systems that emit light or sound for a
*long* time. they also don't work very well.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:36 pm
From: Eugene
On Apr 23, 7:29 am, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <765c2bff-e250-4b4f-bbe3-0de0c9bed...@d2g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Eugene <eugenhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why come point&shoot digicam doesn't use phase detection
> > autofocusing.
>
> where would you put the phase detect sensors and mirror?
Beside the CCD.
>
> > If it is costly. How come the DSLR doesn't
> > use the cheaper Active Autofocus used in point&shoot
> > which emits light and use reflections to gauge distance.
> > Both are equally fast and accurate.
>
> cameras haven't used autofocus systems that emit light or sound for a
> *long* time. they also don't work very well.
I had Sony point&shoot digicam before like T1 and others where
it can send red light beam to the subject. If it doesn't detect
focus by calculating the reflections. What method then
does it use to autofocus? Maybe the red light is just to
make better the contrast and so contrast autofocus
can work??
In Canon DSLR, why doesn't it emit red light too but
the flash itself for Phase Detection Autofocus. If
flash is brighter, why doesn't point and shoot digicam
uses flash to highlight contrast for autofocus?
E
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:51 pm
From: nospam
In article
<dd49428f-f9c6-45cb-8e52-34b7b18b73b9@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Eugene <eugenhughes@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had Sony point&shoot digicam before like T1 and others where
> it can send red light beam to the subject. If it doesn't detect
> focus by calculating the reflections. What method then
> does it use to autofocus? Maybe the red light is just to
> make better the contrast and so contrast autofocus
> can work??
that's a focus assist light so that the actual autofocus system can
find something on which to focus.
> In Canon DSLR, why doesn't it emit red light too but
> the flash itself for Phase Detection Autofocus. If
> flash is brighter, why doesn't point and shoot digicam
> uses flash to highlight contrast for autofocus?
some cameras use flash for autotfocus assist and others use infrared
(and sometimes just red) light. i find the ones that use repeating
flash to be annoying as hell.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 4:58 pm
From: "Focus"
International forum with very much possibilities.
Check it out. Free and no advertisements.
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Greetings Everyone!
Had to do something to commemorate the day, even if it is cutting things a bit close! lol No tut. Used a template and a couple of the gorgeous papers from an FTU kit: Earth Friendly from DMK Designs. (Preview attached.) I've spent nearly an hour trying to track down the blog I got the template from, but couldn't find it, so I've attached it. If anyone knows, please give me head's up! (A belated Scrap Day offering?! ;-p)
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