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Tuesday, June 30, 2009

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I did NOT open any of the links, and I unsubscribed the member.....it sure doesn't sound like this is a "creative PSP member".....so please take caution.

I may be mistaken about this, and I'll be the first to apologize, but until then.....

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[fnftwo] Sea Scrap

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Today is Tuesday, and you all know what that is! Scrap Day!! Even though we'll be on hiatus for two months, we can still send through scraps, though it doesn't have to be on a Tuesday to share an element. We all love making them, so let's see if we can find more tutorial links during the next two months.

Have a great Tuesday everyone!

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[fnftwo] Kate's TTC Dreaming

What a beautiful Frame Kate....Mena

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[fnftwo] Fw: Neurological test..lol

Subject: Neurological test..lol

1- Find the C below....Please do not use any cursor help.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

2- If you already found the C, now find the 6 below.

99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
69999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

3 - Now find the N below. It's a little more difficult.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

This is NOT a joke. If you were able to pass these 3 tests, you can cancel your annual visit to your neurologist. Your brain is great and you're far from having a close?relationship with Alzheimer.

Congratulations!

Oh. One more test....

Find the 44^thUSA President.?

Well, congratulations, you're not colour blind either!

SENIOR CITIZENS
ARE THE NATION'S LEADING CARRIERS OF AIDS

HEARING AIDS

BAND AIDS

ROLL AIDS

WALKING AIDS

MEDICAL AIDS

GOVERNMENT AIDS

MOST OF ALL,

MONETARY AID TO THEIR KIDS

Give me the grace to see a joke,
To get some humor out of life,
And pass it on to other folk.

I'm only sending this to my 'old' friends.

[PSP-Snags] AT.Storm

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== 1 di 2 ==
Data: Dom 28 Giu 2009 07:33
Da: "Alexander von Bach"

Buon giorno

Sono nuovo in Adobe Photoshop e vorrei imparare a lavorare su disegni
già fatti.
Potreste indicarmi dove si trovano semplici disegni riguardanti singole
piante o cespugli da scaricare gratuitamente?

Per una gentile risposta Vi sarei molto grato,
cordiali saluti A. Bach

== 2 di 2 ==
Data: Lun 29 Giu 2009 07:07
Da: Fiorelisa

Alexander von Bach ha scritto:
> Buon giorno
>
> Sono nuovo in Adobe Photoshop e vorrei imparare a lavorare su disegni
> già fatti.
> Potreste indicarmi dove si trovano semplici disegni riguardanti singole
> piante o cespugli da scaricare gratuitamente?
>
> Per una gentile risposta Vi sarei molto grato,
> cordiali saluti A. Bach

Disegni di piante? Non so se li preferisci a colori o in bianco e nero,
vettoriali o raster, stile realistico o fumetto. Se ti servono giusto
per fare delle prove tue personali, o se ne vuoi fare anche uso pubblico
(o anche commerciale).

Comunque puoi dare un occhio qui, dove ci sono delle immagini di
pubblico dominio:
http://www.pdclipart.org/
Vai nella sezione 'Plants'.

Un'altra fonte potrebbe essere Google Libri: non mancherà sicuramente
qualche libro di botanica con belle stampe.

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== 1 di 3 ==
Data: Lun 29 Giu 2009 10:34
Da: "Il Nibbio"

Sono un principiante :(, come hanno fatto a fare questo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/roobdaboot/3668258825/sizes/l/

ciao

== 2 di 3 ==
Data: Lun 29 Giu 2009 14:26
Da: "Technoboyz"

"Il Nibbio" <ilnibbio@iol.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:4a48fb42$0$18932$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it...
> Sono un principiante :(, come hanno fatto a fare questo:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/roobdaboot/3668258825/sizes/l/
>
> ciao
>
Bha. mi sfugge qualcosa, dove sta l'incomprensibile?

== 3 di 3 ==
Data: Lun 29 Giu 2009 22:02
Da: giorgio

Technoboyz ha scritto:
> "Il Nibbio" <ilnibbio@iol.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:4a48fb42$0$18932$4fafbaef@reader2.news.tin.it...
>> Sono un principiante :(, come hanno fatto a fare questo:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/roobdaboot/3668258825/sizes/l/
>>
>> ciao
>>
> Bha. mi sfugge qualcosa, dove sta l'incomprensibile?
>
>
I 3 personaggi sono replicati due volte. Interessante esperimento anche
se già visto- latcnica non la so.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 5:15 pm
From: Sir F. A. Rien

That was 'true' eons ago when monitor technology was in its infancy.

Current monitors can easily go to 1600 x 1200, that being [on a 19" -
displayable at 18"] some 110 dpi.

As far as bothering to change the dpi setting, why?

Monitors read PIXELS not dpi !!!

I can set an image to 1 dpi and to 10,000 dpi image, put them up side by
side on the web and they will be exactly the same - unless I've resampled!

"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> found these unused words:

>
>"Paul Burdett" <pburdett@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>news:4a46e760$0$15277$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Thank you to all for your feedback...much appreciated.
>>
>> Paul
>
>I was once told by a dude who worked with AOL and pioneered the 'gif' format
>that monitors can't read beyond 75 dpi so take raw image hit ctrl > i >i,
>change the dpi. Notice the dimensions change. Change the values to what you
>want as long as they're not bigger than from where you started and
>'constrain proportions' is checked, obviously.
>
>>
>>
>> "Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote in message
>> news:1l8c459ninlof2h9uvqf8ofkdr6t2t31tf@4ax.com...
>>> "Paul Burdett" <pburdett@optusnet.com.au> found these unused words:
>>>
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I've put together a website for my wife which displays photos of her
>>>>craft
>>>>items. I take the photos and edit in Photoshop CS3. The photos are 72dpi
>>>>when opened in Photoshop. I'm not sure if this is right, but I've been
>>>>cropping each photo as needed and saving as 300dpi, and then resampling
>>>>down
>>>>to the max allowed by the website host...which is 450dpi on the longest
>>>>side. This results in thumbnails on the website which can be clicked on
>>>>to
>>>>get a larger version. I'm thinking that I don't need to resample to
>>>>300dpi?
>>>>Is this correct? The file size of each thumbnail is around 40kb or so.
>>>>Any
>>>>advice appreciated.
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>The website is www.littleextras.net
>>>>
>>>
>>> For the web, the 'dpi' is unimportant !
>>>
>>> Crop, adjust, and SAVE AS [master].
>>> {Don't save over the original!]
>>>
>>> Resize to the thumbnail and SAVE AS [thumb].
>>>
>>> For me, I use a name with "_w" added for the full size WEB image and a
>>> "_t"
>>> for the thumbnail.
>>>
>>> This way they are 'stored' together and I can find them for uploading or
>>> later work.
>>>
>>> Example:
>>> cali-01_w.jpg 600x400 display page
>>> cali-01_t.jpg 188x125 thumbnail in the opening page.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 1:18 am
From: Peter

I bought one of these, with the bulk feeder, to scan in a few thousand
slides.

It paid for itself on that one job but I now want to sell it.

Obviously there is Ebay but this is a fairly pricey and specialised
item. I think the lot cost about £1500.

Does anybody have any better ideas?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 4:36 am
From: Dudley Simons

Peter wrote:
> I bought one of these, with the bulk feeder, to scan in a few thousand
> slides.
>
> It paid for itself on that one job but I now want to sell it.
>
> Obviously there is Ebay but this is a fairly pricey and specialised
> item. I think the lot cost about £1500.
>
> Does anybody have any better ideas?

Hi Peter

I am afraid i can't help you much with a value on your
scanner...................

but I was rather hoping that as you have actually used this unit
extensively you might be able to pass on some information about it! -
Rather than the twaddle that some spotty faced oik who has never seen
one outside of its box let alone actually used one would spout when asked!

I have a big digitisation project coming up at work and am trying to
persuade the bean counters that we should invest in a decent slide
scanner and bulk feed unit.

How did you get on with it? I assume that you ran it with the software
supplied (I assume that Nikon actually supply scanning software!)rather
than via Photoshop. I take it that the Nikon app scans and then saves
files as it goes rather than trying to leave them all open within
Photoshop or CS. Is the scanning ap any good?

Any problems with the bulk feed mechanism. I guess that any slightly dog
eared kodachromes will have to be remounted into plastic, but how does
it cope with ultra thin Leitz mounts and old GAF mounts that are as
thick as paving slabs? Did you run any glass mounted slides through it?
Or slides with sticky labels that are lifting at the corners etc?

Did you find any 'gotchas' - those less than endearing short comings in
the software, scanner design or functionality that you only find out
once you start using it in anger?

Any pointers would be much appreciated - and good luck with findig a
buyer. :o)

regards

Dudley

PS - remove THE.OBVIOUS to reply off group!

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 5:23 am
From: Rob

Dudley Simons wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>> I bought one of these, with the bulk feeder, to scan in a few thousand
>> slides.
>>
>> It paid for itself on that one job but I now want to sell it.
>>
>> Obviously there is Ebay but this is a fairly pricey and specialised
>> item. I think the lot cost about £1500.
>>
>> Does anybody have any better ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Peter
>
> I am afraid i can't help you much with a value on your
> scanner...................
>
> but I was rather hoping that as you have actually used this unit
> extensively you might be able to pass on some information about it! -
> Rather than the twaddle that some spotty faced oik who has never seen
> one outside of its box let alone actually used one would spout when asked!
>
> I have a big digitisation project coming up at work and am trying to
> persuade the bean counters that we should invest in a decent slide
> scanner and bulk feed unit.
>
> How did you get on with it? I assume that you ran it with the software
> supplied (I assume that Nikon actually supply scanning software!)rather
> than via Photoshop. I take it that the Nikon app scans and then saves
> files as it goes rather than trying to leave them all open within
> Photoshop or CS. Is the scanning ap any good?
>
> Any problems with the bulk feed mechanism. I guess that any slightly dog
> eared kodachromes will have to be remounted into plastic, but how does
> it cope with ultra thin Leitz mounts and old GAF mounts that are as
> thick as paving slabs? Did you run any glass mounted slides through it?
> Or slides with sticky labels that are lifting at the corners etc?
>
> Did you find any 'gotchas' - those less than endearing short comings in
> the software, scanner design or functionality that you only find out
> once you start using it in anger?
>
> Any pointers would be much appreciated - and good luck with findig a
> buyer. :o)
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
>
> Dudley
>
>
>
> PS - remove THE.OBVIOUS to reply off group!

What do you have to digitise are they only 35mm slides and what do your
require as the end result?

As a slide scanner may not be the answer.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 6:51 am
From: Dudley Simons

Rob wrote:
> Dudley Simons wrote:
>> Peter wrote:
>>> I bought one of these, with the bulk feeder, to scan in a few thousand
>>> slides.
>>>
>>> It paid for itself on that one job but I now want to sell it.
>>>
>>> Obviously there is Ebay but this is a fairly pricey and specialised
>>> item. I think the lot cost about £1500.
>>>
>>> Does anybody have any better ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> I am afraid i can't help you much with a value on your
>> scanner...................
>>
>> but I was rather hoping that as you have actually used this unit
>> extensively you might be able to pass on some information about it! -
>> Rather than the twaddle that some spotty faced oik who has never seen
>> one outside of its box let alone actually used one would spout when
>> asked!
>>
>> I have a big digitisation project coming up at work and am trying to
>> persuade the bean counters that we should invest in a decent slide
>> scanner and bulk feed unit.
>>
>> How did you get on with it? I assume that you ran it with the software
>> supplied (I assume that Nikon actually supply scanning software!)rather
>> than via Photoshop. I take it that the Nikon app scans and then saves
>> files as it goes rather than trying to leave them all open within
>> Photoshop or CS. Is the scanning ap any good?
>>
>> Any problems with the bulk feed mechanism. I guess that any slightly dog
>> eared kodachromes will have to be remounted into plastic, but how does
>> it cope with ultra thin Leitz mounts and old GAF mounts that are as
>> thick as paving slabs? Did you run any glass mounted slides through it?
>> Or slides with sticky labels that are lifting at the corners etc?
>>
>> Did you find any 'gotchas' - those less than endearing short comings in
>> the software, scanner design or functionality that you only find out
>> once you start using it in anger?
>>
>> Any pointers would be much appreciated - and good luck with findig a
>> buyer. :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dudley
>>
>>
>>
>> PS - remove THE.OBVIOUS to reply off group!
>
> What do you have to digitise are they only 35mm slides and what do your
> require as the end result?
>
>
> As a slide scanner may not be the answer.
>
> r
>

I take it you mean digitising the slides by shooting them with a camera?

I have a Bowens Illumitran which I have used in the past to digitize
slides very successfully with a Nikon D2X.

regards

Dudley

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 9:30 am
From: Rob

Dudley Simons wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Dudley Simons wrote:
>>> Peter wrote:
>>>> I bought one of these, with the bulk feeder, to scan in a few thousand
>>>> slides.
>>>>
>>>> It paid for itself on that one job but I now want to sell it.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously there is Ebay but this is a fairly pricey and specialised
>>>> item. I think the lot cost about £1500.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody have any better ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Peter
>>>
>>> I am afraid i can't help you much with a value on your
>>> scanner...................
>>>
>>> but I was rather hoping that as you have actually used this unit
>>> extensively you might be able to pass on some information about it! -
>>> Rather than the twaddle that some spotty faced oik who has never seen
>>> one outside of its box let alone actually used one would spout when
>>> asked!
>>>
>>> I have a big digitisation project coming up at work and am trying to
>>> persuade the bean counters that we should invest in a decent slide
>>> scanner and bulk feed unit.
>>>
>>> How did you get on with it? I assume that you ran it with the software
>>> supplied (I assume that Nikon actually supply scanning software!)rather
>>> than via Photoshop. I take it that the Nikon app scans and then saves
>>> files as it goes rather than trying to leave them all open within
>>> Photoshop or CS. Is the scanning ap any good?
>>>
>>> Any problems with the bulk feed mechanism. I guess that any slightly dog
>>> eared kodachromes will have to be remounted into plastic, but how does
>>> it cope with ultra thin Leitz mounts and old GAF mounts that are as
>>> thick as paving slabs? Did you run any glass mounted slides through it?
>>> Or slides with sticky labels that are lifting at the corners etc?
>>>
>>> Did you find any 'gotchas' - those less than endearing short comings in
>>> the software, scanner design or functionality that you only find out
>>> once you start using it in anger?
>>>
>>> Any pointers would be much appreciated - and good luck with findig a
>>> buyer. :o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dudley
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS - remove THE.OBVIOUS to reply off group!
>>
>> What do you have to digitise are they only 35mm slides and what do
>> your require as the end result?
>>
>>
>> As a slide scanner may not be the answer.
>>
>> r
>>
>
>
> I take it you mean digitising the slides by shooting them with a camera?
>
> I have a Bowens Illumitran which I have used in the past to digitize
> slides very successfully with a Nikon D2X.
>
>
> regards
>
>
> Dudley

Thats what I use, results are satisfactory, quick to use, small file
size etc.

Slides or tranny stuff that's for critical use are scanned.

But for most yes just copy them with the Bowens with the bulbs.

Very rarely does the scanner get used.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:16 am
From: Peter

Dudley Simons <drs1005@esc.cam.ac.uk> wrote

>Peter wrote:
>> I bought one of these, with the bulk feeder, to scan in a few thousand
>> slides.
>>
>> It paid for itself on that one job but I now want to sell it.
>>
>> Obviously there is Ebay but this is a fairly pricey and specialised
>> item. I think the lot cost about £1500.
>>
>> Does anybody have any better ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Peter
>
>I am afraid i can't help you much with a value on your
>scanner...................
>
>but I was rather hoping that as you have actually used this unit
>extensively you might be able to pass on some information about it! -
>Rather than the twaddle that some spotty faced oik who has never seen
>one outside of its box let alone actually used one would spout when asked!
>
>I have a big digitisation project coming up at work and am trying to
>persuade the bean counters that we should invest in a decent slide
>scanner and bulk feed unit.
>
>How did you get on with it? I assume that you ran it with the software
>supplied (I assume that Nikon actually supply scanning software!)rather
>than via Photoshop. I take it that the Nikon app scans and then saves
>files as it goes rather than trying to leave them all open within
>Photoshop or CS. Is the scanning ap any good?

The software is Nikon's own and can save to BMP, TIFF, Jpeg etc. It is
clunky but works. Loads of options for things like dust removal (does
a double scan) and enhancement which I never used.

I scanned the lot into uncompressed TIFFs, about 80MB each, and then
batch-reduced them in Photoshop into ~ 7MB Jpegs - simply because I
*hope* that PS does a better job of it than any other software out
there. It is certainly practically impossible to see a difference with
the naked eye, at 100% zoom.

>Any problems with the bulk feed mechanism. I guess that any slightly dog
>eared kodachromes will have to be remounted into plastic, but how does
>it cope with ultra thin Leitz mounts and old GAF mounts that are as
>thick as paving slabs? Did you run any glass mounted slides through it?
> Or slides with sticky labels that are lifting at the corners etc?

I didn't have problems with any slides, 1970s onwards. Damaged ones
won't work, sure, but I didn't have any of those. I did scan glass
mounted ones too. The feeder takes about 50 at a time.

I think if you will have problems then it might be with the very thin
paper ones. But for me everything worked.

>Did you find any 'gotchas' - those less than endearing short comings in
>the software, scanner design or functionality that you only find out
>once you start using it in anger?

The software is a bit odd in the way it works but once you suss it, it
just runs and runs.

The quality is stunning - as good as the film itself ever managed.

I am uploading some images here

http://www.zen74158.zen.co.uk/ed5000/

One of these, file3012.jpg, was used to compare the ED5000 against
another Nikon scanner costing about £5000 and neither myself nor the
shop could see any difference.

>Any pointers would be much appreciated - and good luck with findig a
>buyer. :o)

Well, mine will be for sale; looking for about £500 :) In original
packaging, with cables, software, etc.

I was quoted a min of 50p each for commercial scanning, and one firm
wanted £10 each!

My email is above but replace o with 0 and 0 with o.

>regards
>
>
>
>
>Dudley
>
>
>
>PS - remove THE.OBVIOUS to reply off group!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 11:22 pm
From: pshaw@emmet.com

during various procedures in photoshop, like converting a bunch of
large raw files to jpg's, or using the magic wand on a large image, i
get a message "out of scratch memory" or a more generic "this
procedure cannot be done" (or something like this)

i have a separate hard drive being used just for photoshop's scratch
memory and have devoted 70% of free memory to photoshop (i'm running 4
gigs in windows xp pro) ....

i have turned off almost all ongoing programs (anti-virus etc) which
indeed does help ....

any suggestions to provide more scratch memory?

tia

steve

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TOPIC: Help: how to create shadows?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 27 2009 3:51 pm
From: blacklight

Have uploaded a shot 'THE NON-CONFORMIST' (http://www.oz-
greetings.com.au/photo). It shows many matchsticks in Australia's
outback. Each stick ought to have a shadow . I tried to paint it in by
hand - impossible. Does anyone know of a way to do it?
Thanks for help - Klaus and Rusty

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 1:32 am
From: Bigguy

blacklight wrote:
> Have uploaded a shot 'THE NON-CONFORMIST' (http://www.oz-
> greetings.com.au/photo). It shows many matchsticks in Australia's
> outback. Each stick ought to have a shadow . I tried to paint it in by
> hand - impossible. Does anyone know of a way to do it?
> Thanks for help - Klaus and Rusty
Well....

Duplicate the matches onto a new layer.

Use levels /selection etc. to make matches black on a transparent
background.

Use free transform to align black matches to original image, scale and
give direction of shadow.

Use opacity etc. to blend shadows into image.

There are other ways too...

Guy

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TOPIC: dyeline.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 8:29 pm
From: ralph@dyeline.com

I just created a website for structural and graphic designers called
www.dyeline.com

The primary objective of the site is to allow people to download free
folding carton dieline templates in Adobe illustrator CS3 PDF format,
as well as DXF and DFT formats. Users of the site do not have to
register to download available files, but they have to register to
become a member of the forum. If you are looking for a specific
dieline template, email me at:

ralph@dyeline.com

Thanks,

Ralph

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TOPIC: not enough scratch memory
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 11:19 pm
From: pshaw@emmet.com

i have a separate hard drive being used just for photoshop's scratch
memory and have devoted 70% of free memory to photoshop (i'm running 4
gigs in windows xp pro) ....

i have turned off almost all ongoing programs (anti-virus etc) which
indeed does help ....

any suggestions to provide more scratch memory?

tia

steve

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 30 2009 12:04 am
From: Rob

pshaw@emmet.com wrote:
> during various procedures in photoshop, like converting a bunch of
> large raw files to jpg's, or using the magic wand on a large image, i
> get a message "out of scratch memory" or a more generic "this
> procedure cannot be done" (or something like this)
>
> i have a separate hard drive being used just for photoshop's scratch
> memory and have devoted 70% of free memory to photoshop (i'm running 4
> gigs in windows xp pro) ....
>
> i have turned off almost all ongoing programs (anti-virus etc) which
> indeed does help ....
>
> any suggestions to provide more scratch memory?
>
> tia
>
> steve

What version of PS?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 12:10 pm
From: Greg

I understand pressing the F1 key in PSE7 is supposed to get me online help
from the Adobe website. However, when I press F1 the URL that appears in my
browser's address window (Firefox) is the following:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PhotoshopElements/7.0_Win/search.html?AH_ION=true

All that gets me is a browser window which displays this link:
http://community.adobe.com/help

This is a generic link to ALL Adobe products help. I believe F1 should
instead be taking me to this URL:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PhotoshopElements/7.0_Win

Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks.

Greg

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:15 am
From: Jeffrey Kaplan

Previously on adobe.photoshop.elements, Greg said:

> I understand pressing the F1 key in PSE7 is supposed to get me online help
> from the Adobe website. However, when I press F1 the URL that appears in my
> browser's address window (Firefox) is the following:
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PhotoshopElements/7.0_Win/search.html?AH_ION=true
>
> All that gets me is a browser window which displays this link:
> http://community.adobe.com/help
>
> This is a generic link to ALL Adobe products help. I believe F1 should
> instead be taking me to this URL:
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/PhotoshopElements/7.0_Win
>
> Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks.

Complain to Adobe?

The Adobe web site is redirecting the URL. The problem is on their
end, there is nothing you can do about it from your end.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

"To know what people really think, pay regard to what they do, rather
than what they say." - Rene Descartes

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 2:00 pm
From: Jimbo

On Jun 22, 12:36 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <leo.licht...@att.net> wrote:
> "Jimbo" wrote: (clip) This brings me to another question,
>
> what is the correct strategy for tackling a problem image like this?
> Apply general fix to background to optimize it followed by adjustment
> layers, etc.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Evidently you are serious, but I am still puzzled about this. You attribute
> the unevenness in the image to a difference in indoor/outdoor temperature?
> I don't see how this is possible. Please explain. As to making the two
> parts look alike, I would make two layers, and work on work on each part
> separately--then use an eraser to make them blend so the seam does not show.

Why do you question my seriousness? Was my initial question really
so .... simplistic? If so, it shows how little I know :)
The camera was taken from the very warm indoors to the cold outdoors
and condensation formed on the optics. This cleared over the course
of 15 or 20 minutes so that later images from the same session were
fine but a few of the earlier ones were messed up. It is one of those
earlier ones that I am working on. Thanks for your suggestion.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:48 pm
From: "Larry B. Block"

I have been using APE 2 and am thinking about moving up to 5, 6 or 7 (used).
I have heard that Adobe has gone the authentication route that makes the
newer versions harder to install as used programs. Versions 2 and 3 required
no such authentication. Which versions do, which don't, and if they do, what
must one do to get them authenticated.

Thanks!! Lar

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TOPIC: Photomatix & HDR (REDUX)
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 5:57 pm
From: "BobS"

"Yeah - you're pathetic - no doubt about it now."
<nocontact@noaddress.com> wrote in message
news:j16f45p721kjirj00d75if2s7eoa2s3ret@4ax.com...

Wow......what an ass.

What part of "You're not welcome here" did you not understand?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 8:26 pm
From: l v

Savageduck wrote:
> On 2009-06-29 08:38:11 -0700, bugbear
> <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> said:
>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>
>>> Well just so you can see what I was working with here are the 3
>>> exposures resized only, no PP:
>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1119w.jpg
>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1120w.jpg
>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1121w.jpg
>>
>> Hmm; Im not really seeing any major difficulties in that
>> last exposure, but just to show willing I put the images
>> through hugin, with default settings throughout.
>>
>> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/hugin.jpg
>>
>> BugBear
>
> Not bad considering you did not have the raw files. Those jpegs were
> presented to demonstrate what I had done, and for others to see what
> they might be able to do (with the limitation of the jpegs.)
> ...but the your result still did not provide the shadow recovery to the
> point of view of my naked eye at the location.
>
> It was one of those, "you had to be there" sort of scenes. It was 11:00
> AM lighting.
> The scene presented to my eye at the time did not have shadows as deep
> as those in any of the 3 exposures. I knew the clouds would be blown if
> I exposed to reveal the shadow detail I was actually seeing.
> Matrix metering was not able to get to an acceptable solution, so center
> weight was used at center of the image.
> I thought this to be an appropriate time to try HDR and made that
> choice, just as I made the choice to put my HDR naivety out here so I
> could learn.
> Only knowing the principles of HDR and not having used it before, I was
> ignorant of some of what I should have done in planning the shot. Now I
> know.
>
> All in all though this has been an interesting exercise and I have
> learned a lot
>

I too have yet to commit to HDR as you can tell by the fact that I am
still using the trial version of Photomatix Pro 3.1.3. I too would like
to know how some of those HRD images are processed. However, I
typically like the normal looking HDR images. The ones that I don't
know are HDR'd.

What I've been doing is to use the tool I know best. I use Photomatix
for what it does best and Photoshop CS3 for what it does best.

In Photomatix, I primarly have been useing Light Smoothing's #4 or #5
setting (from the left). Strength is somewhere in the 60-90 range.
I'll play with the Smooth Settings a bit if needed. The remainder of
Photomatix's settings are best left to your image editor. Mine is Adobe
RAW and Photoshop CS3.

For example, I know very well how to tone down the blown highlights in
Adobe RAW and Photoshop. Same with color saturation and Tone settings
(curves), Color Settings (white balance), etc.

My version is as follows.
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz354/veatchla/1121w_19w_20wcopy.jpg

It's not great, but probably close to what you saw when you were there.

Len

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 8:59 pm
From: Annika1980

On Jun 29, 4:51 am, D-Mac <ping...@news.group> wrote:
>
> There are 2 different programs. One is version 3:http://www.lucisart.com/lucisart-3-effects-features.htm
>
> and the other is the pro version 6:http://www.lucispro.com/lucis-artistic/lucis-pro-home-pages/sublime.htm
>
> Unfortunately for those looking for "free" software, this is not it. The
> basic version 3 is not exactly cheap and you have to pay serious money
> for the Pro version. I fought with myself for many weeks before making
> the decision to buy it. Having done that, I don't regret it but it's not
> for everyone.

It's simply a plug-in for people who can't figure out how to use
Photoshop.
Folks like yourself.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 9:11 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-29 20:26:54 -0700, l v <veatchla@yahoo.com> said:

> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2009-06-29 08:38:11 -0700, bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> said:
>>
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well just so you can see what I was working with here are the 3
>>>> exposures resized only, no PP:
>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1119w.jpg
>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1120w.jpg
>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1121w.jpg
>>>
>>> Hmm; Im not really seeing any major difficulties in that
>>> last exposure, but just to show willing I put the images
>>> through hugin, with default settings throughout.
>>>
>>> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/hugin.jpg
>>>
>>> BugBear
>>
>> Not bad considering you did not have the raw files. Those jpegs were
>> presented to demonstrate what I had done, and for others to see what
>> they might be able to do (with the limitation of the jpegs.)
>> ...but the your result still did not provide the shadow recovery to the
>> point of view of my naked eye at the location.
>>
>> It was one of those, "you had to be there" sort of scenes. It was 11:00
>> AM lighting.
>> The scene presented to my eye at the time did not have shadows as deep
>> as those in any of the 3 exposures. I knew the clouds would be blown if
>> I exposed to reveal the shadow detail I was actually seeing.
>> Matrix metering was not able to get to an acceptable solution, so
>> center weight was used at center of the image.
>> I thought this to be an appropriate time to try HDR and made that
>> choice, just as I made the choice to put my HDR naivety out here so I
>> could learn.
>> Only knowing the principles of HDR and not having used it before, I was
>> ignorant of some of what I should have done in planning the shot. Now I
>> know.
>>
>> All in all though this has been an interesting exercise and I have
>> learned a lot
>>
>
> I too have yet to commit to HDR as you can tell by the fact that I am
> still using the trial version of Photomatix Pro 3.1.3. I too would
> like to know how some of those HRD images are processed. However, I
> typically like the normal looking HDR images. The ones that I don't
> know are HDR'd.
>
> What I've been doing is to use the tool I know best. I use Photomatix
> for what it does best and Photoshop CS3 for what it does best.
>
> In Photomatix, I primarly have been useing Light Smoothing's #4 or #5
> setting (from the left). Strength is somewhere in the 60-90 range.
> I'll play with the Smooth Settings a bit if needed. The remainder of
> Photomatix's settings are best left to your image editor. Mine is
> Adobe RAW and Photoshop CS3.
>
> For example, I know very well how to tone down the blown highlights in
> Adobe RAW and Photoshop. Same with color saturation and Tone settings
> (curves), Color Settings (white balance), etc.
>
> My version is as follows.
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz354/veatchla/1121w_19w_20wcopy.jpg
>
> It's not great, but probably close to what you saw when you were there.

Well as you can see things were problematic with the light, and it has
all been a good exercise. Better planning next time.
Here is what I came up with for my final tweek:
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/HRD-1119-2021_tmD1w.jpg

--
Regards,

Savageduck

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:52 pm
From: Vance

As others have commented, the image is a little too much regarding
contrast and saturation for a 'natural' look. For some images that
can be very okay, but it's not really that good for landscapes and
other images where people have a certain expectation of the colors and
tonalities based on their own experience. However, if you like the
effect and it's what you are going for, go for it.

Getting a natural look out of HDR is not easy, or simple. Neither PS,
nor Photomatrix, will give you much more than a base that you then
have to work up controlling contrast and saturation in something like
PS. Comments like 'Photomatrix gives me ...' and 'Photoshop
produces ...' point out part of the problem with many HDR images,
IMHO, which is letting the software do the work and accepting what it
does as what can be done.

I am a long way from being a HDR expert, but I have gotten to the
point where I can take what PS or Photomatrix can give me as a
starting point and come up with something that doesn't scream HDR.
These are a few of my more recent images using HDR as I learn more.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Vance.Lear/HDR?authkey=Gv1sRgCLC8tZO1lp3G3wE#slideshow/5352984309407040322

The dynamic range of the images all equal, or exceed, 11 stops and had
to be aggressively post processed using a lot of local adjustments
that you have to experiment with to discover what adjusments will
bring the image into line. For example, all of the images used areas
copied to another layer, which was equalized in some fashion, and then
blended back. Sometimes those layers had attached adjustment curves,
or were inverted after desaturation and then blended back using one of
the blend modes. The trouble is that I haven't found a real set of
'rules' about what to do. Things that have worked well on one image
that you would think would work well on another, don't always perform
that way.

HDR is a lot of fun, can be very useful and can certainly produce some
images with a 'WOW!' factor.

Vance

On Jun 27, 8:31 pm, Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> I have been dabbling with HDR both with CS4 (OK , but not great) &
> Photomatix Pro, which seems to give a fair degree of flexibility and
> reasonable results.
>
> Here is an image I have been working with from a recent Yosemite road
> trip. 3 exposures -1: 0: +1.http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Yosemite-19-20-21-HDRtm-Dc1w.jpg
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Savageduck

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 6:01 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-29 17:44:50 -0700, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> said:

> On 29-06-09 20:10, Peter Chant wrote:
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> The only keyboards I have experienced the vanishing letter syndrome on
>
>>> were HP keyboards at work.
>>> I can't speak for any of the third party keyboards as I have never had
>
>>> a need to buy one, but I have heard good things about the Logitech,
>>> Kensington& DiNovo products
>
> My Logitech wireless keyboard no longer has letters on several keys
> after 18 months. My wireless mouse failed (left button always 'bounces'
> in two clicks). Logitech sent me a new mouse AND keyboard (as the
> original was no longer produced and the new mice did not work with the
> older transceiver). That new keyboard was faulty from the start (many
> CMD/ALT sequences were dead as were several captitals (hold shift and
> type a letter - nothing).
>
> So, they sent me yet another keyboard and mouse. All of the proceeding
> took a very frustrating 2 months. At first they didn't want the second
> keyboard back (I'd think they would want to learn why a new KB didn't
> work), then they said I'd receive a UPS return label. Still waiting.
>
> No more Logitech.

Well if that is the case scratch Logitech!

Now the DiNovo is also a Logitech product, I haven't seen one in the
flesh, but the reviews have been good.

I have about 6 older Mac keyboards all still functioning fine, without
letter wear.

BTW Alan, this weekend I am probably going to brave the crowds and go
up to Laguna Seca for the Moto GP races. If the heat holds off the 4th
of july long weekend might be tolerable, and if I can position myself
well there should be some good photo-ops.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:36 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Larry Thong <larry_thong@shitstring.com> wrote:
>John McWilliams wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, here's the simple way of running OS X on a PC. For Christ's
>>> sake Windows XP kicks ass so there's no reason to run OS X.
>>>
>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/macosx_on_a_pc/>
>>
>> yeah, that's an intelligent move for folks who are mostly
>> photographers!
>
>At least PC users are smart enough to do it.

Not if you are any example.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:38 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Larry Thong <larry_thong@shitstring.com> wrote:
>Savageduck wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, here's the simple way of running OS X on a PC. For Christ's
>>> sake Windows XP kicks ass so there's no reason to run OS X.
>>>
>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/20/macosx_on_a_pc/>
>>
>> Rita,
>> Over the years the headers of your posts have consistently
>> demonstrated your use of MT-NewsWatcher for Intel Mac.
>> I understand you have this propensity for making provocative
>> statements from time to time, mostly with tongue in cheek humor.
>
>And that's all it was, a provocative statement that wasn't meant to be taken
>as nothing more than "it can be done" type of post to demonstrate there

You're a lying asshole who is obviously trolling.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 6:42 pm
From: PatM

On Jun 29, 3:07 pm, Eric Stevens <eric.stev...@sum.co.nz> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:44:41 +0100, "whisky-dave"
>
>
>
> <whisky-d...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>
> >"Eric Stevens" <eric.stev...@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
> >news:i2ma451te3528rni8k9ts34mujtatb2frb@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:28:58 +0100, "whisky-dave"
> >> <whisky-d...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>
> >>>> Do you honestly think that any automatic focusing system in the world is
> >>>> ever going to be smart enough to figure out if you want the leading edge
> >>>> of
> >>>> that small-butterfly's wing, the antennae, or the further wing edges in
> >>>> precise focus?
>
> >>>Yes in a manor of speaking. The new Apple iPhone, when used as a camera
> >>>you touch the screen to select what you want the camera to focus on.
>
> >> Some Nikon [e.g. D300] cameras allow you to select the point of the
> >> image you wish to focus on.
>
> >How do they do that, or how it is achived. ?
>
> Seehttp://www.digitalreview.ca/content/Nikon-D300-Digital-SLR-Camera-Pg2...
>
> Under the heading of 'Auto-area AF' you will see an animation of a
> single focus point leaping around the view finder window. In fact it
> doesn't leap: you move it around with the multi-control button which
> acts as a set of cursor keys. You can work the button with your right
> thumb while peering through the view finder.
>
> Eric Stevens

Didn't Canon come out with a camera a few years back that tracked your
eye so that the focus point was whereever you were looking. I'm sort
of vague on it but it was something like that, it seems.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:12 pm
From: nospam

In article
<5c5f1644-2da8-4b6c-b99a-4f37e5a010f5@l12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
PatM <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote:

> Didn't Canon come out with a camera a few years back that tracked your
> eye so that the focus point was whereever you were looking. I'm sort
> of vague on it but it was something like that, it seems.

they did indeed. it had to be calibrated for each user and didn't work
all that well nor has it been seen since.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:43 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

RichA <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
>Plastic? Thermal expansion of plastic is much greater than metal

As usual Rich is full of shit and spreading lies in order to justify
his desire that all cameras be as expensive and heavy as possible.

The coefficient of expansion of polycarbonate is actually slightly less
than that of aluminum.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:07 pm
From: nospam

In article <7thi45p64g123isum86u9cbd8fhqadc4s5@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> The user turns on the camera to take a picture, and might well take one
> or even multiple pictures before the GPS has acquired a warm fix. Any
> geotagging of those images will thus at best be a *guess* based on the
> last fix.

or they turn on the camera in the morning to get an initial fix, and
then the rest of the day are all hot fixes that take seconds not tens
of seconds. and don't say nonsense because i've done exactly that.

or they get the gps device that doesn't need a fix at all because it
post-processes the data.

> The only ways to overcome this issue would be to keep the GPS powered up
> all the time, draining the camera batteries even when the camera is
> turned off, or using A-GPS to get position data externally, which
> essentially means a cell phone built into the camera.

and as has been noted before, battery drain is a non-issue as there are
gps devices that can go nearly 2 days non-stop, far longer than anyone
would be shooting photos. plus, as has been mentioned in this thread,
the gps could go into a low power mode, maintaining enough data so that
it can get an instant fix when needed.

> A much more practical solution, IMHO, would be Bluetooth in the camera
> that could obtain location data from a Bluetooth cell phone, as well as
> transfer pictures to the cell phone.

or a bluetooth gps.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:38 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-29 19:07:17 -0700, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:

> In article <7thi45p64g123isum86u9cbd8fhqadc4s5@4ax.com>, John Navas
> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> The user turns on the camera to take a picture, and might well take one
>> or even multiple pictures before the GPS has acquired a warm fix. Any
>> geotagging of those images will thus at best be a *guess* based on the
>> last fix.
>
> or they turn on the camera in the morning to get an initial fix, and
> then the rest of the day are all hot fixes that take seconds not tens
> of seconds. and don't say nonsense because i've done exactly that.
>
> or they get the gps device that doesn't need a fix at all because it
> post-processes the data.
>
>> The only ways to overcome this issue would be to keep the GPS powered up
>> all the time, draining the camera batteries even when the camera is
>> turned off, or using A-GPS to get position data externally, which
>> essentially means a cell phone built into the camera.
>
> and as has been noted before, battery drain is a non-issue as there are
> gps devices that can go nearly 2 days non-stop, far longer than anyone
> would be shooting photos. plus, as has been mentioned in this thread,
> the gps could go into a low power mode, maintaining enough data so that
> it can get an instant fix when needed.
>
>> A much more practical solution, IMHO, would be Bluetooth in the camera
>> that could obtain location data from a Bluetooth cell phone, as well as
>> transfer pictures to the cell phone.
>
> or a bluetooth gps.

Something such as Red Hen Systems' "Blue2Can" + the Bluetooth GPS of
your choice.
http://www.redhensystems.com/inc/sdetail/168
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/red-hen-blue2can-gps-a1037.php

--
Regards,

Savageduck

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:44 pm
From: John Navas

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:51:19 -0400, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in
<G6ydnf-XW5rlztTXnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

>On 29-06-09 19:18, John Navas wrote:

>> Warm fix of 15-20 secs is possible under ideal conditions, but not
>> guaranteed (hence my 30 secs), and still nowhere near fast enough to be
>> practical in a digital camera.
>
>Says who? It take me a minute or two to setup for a simple shot, never
>mind one that I'm taking care about.

Cameras have to be designed for everyone, not just you. and many people
take pictures in less time than that.

>The design of the camera with a built in GPS could also allow for
>separate power state to the GPS with a slow sampling (say 5 seconds per
>minute) to keep the correlators aligned (and not bother wasting CPU on
>the nav solution and formatting data outputs) and then when the camera
>would be turned on, the GPS could enter a full performance mode with the
>correlators pretty much on code. ...

With all due respect, that's uninformed speculation not reflected in
real world products. Let me know if and when any such products
materialize.

>> A much more practical solution, IMHO, would be Bluetooth in the camera
>> that could obtain location data from a Bluetooth cell phone, as well as
>> transfer pictures to the cell phone.
>
>Well, except for the 85% of the SW US that I was in last year and 2006
>without cell phone coverage. Considering that that area has a larger
>population than Canada, it shows that the world is a hell of a lot
>bigger than the cell phone coverage area.

Irrelevant, since the cell phone would be no worse than your
hypothetical camera.

--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:47 pm
From: John Navas

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:07:17 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <290620092207173983%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

Sorry, but hotfix doesn't work that way. Read my original message more
carefully and read up on GPS.

>or they get the gps device that doesn't need a fix at all because it
>post-processes the data.

Nope.

>> The only ways to overcome this issue would be to keep the GPS powered up
>> all the time, draining the camera batteries even when the camera is
>> turned off, or using A-GPS to get position data externally, which
>> essentially means a cell phone built into the camera.
>
>and as has been noted before, battery drain is a non-issue as there are
>gps devices that can go nearly 2 days non-stop, far longer than anyone
>would be shooting photos.

Nope. Since the camera may be turned off for weeks (or more) at a time,
battery drain when the camera is turned off has to be insignificant.

>plus, as has been mentioned in this thread,
>the gps could go into a low power mode, maintaining enough data so that
>it can get an instant fix when needed.

Nope. Battery drain is just too high.

Suit yourself, but I have no interest in carrying an unnecessary
additional device.

--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:50 pm
From: John Navas

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:13:13 -0400, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in
<4oSdnbK--c0X19TXnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

>On 29-06-09 18:47, John Navas wrote:
>> On 27 Jun 2009 01:08:25 GMT, Chris Malcolm<cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
>> in<7al9o9F1vsk75U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> In rec.photo.digital John Navas<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I also hike, but of course you're just being "cute".
>>> No I'm not. I'm pointing out that you have claimed that most of your
>>> experience is in the easiest and least demanding GPS navigation
>>> environment.
>>
>> 1. I've done nothing of the sort.
>> 2. That's simply not true. While conditions on water can be near ideal,
>> no more so than conditions on land, and conditions on water can also be
>> very difficult, in severe weather for example.
>
>The L band was chosen specifically for weather reasons.
>
>Conditions on open water are about the easiest, regardless of weather.

Sorry, but no. We're not talking high-grade marine GPS units with
decent external antennas here, we're talking el cheapo GPS chips with
tiny pos internal antennas. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 11:09 pm
From: nospam

In article <si9j45hp2s407foa68k3haq1mk0fuaiq3e@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> The user turns on the camera to take a picture, and might well take one
> >> or even multiple pictures before the GPS has acquired a warm fix. Any
> >> geotagging of those images will thus at best be a *guess* based on the
> >> last fix.
> >
> >or they turn on the camera in the morning to get an initial fix, and
> >then the rest of the day are all hot fixes that take seconds not tens
> >of seconds. and don't say nonsense because i've done exactly that.
>
> Sorry, but hotfix doesn't work that way. Read my original message more
> carefully and read up on GPS.

i have. thanks for asking though.

> >or they get the gps device that doesn't need a fix at all because it
> >post-processes the data.
>
> Nope.

nope what?

> >> The only ways to overcome this issue would be to keep the GPS powered up
> >> all the time, draining the camera batteries even when the camera is
> >> turned off, or using A-GPS to get position data externally, which
> >> essentially means a cell phone built into the camera.
> >
> >and as has been noted before, battery drain is a non-issue as there are
> >gps devices that can go nearly 2 days non-stop, far longer than anyone
> >would be shooting photos.
>
> Nope. Since the camera may be turned off for weeks (or more) at a time,
> battery drain when the camera is turned off has to be insignificant.

and if the camera is off for 'weeks at a time' then one would expect
the gps to also be turned off. or the device plugs into the camera and
turns itself off when the camera is off. plus, just the other day the
time span was only 48 hours, now it's weeks. what happened?

> >plus, as has been mentioned in this thread,
> >the gps could go into a low power mode, maintaining enough data so that
> >it can get an instant fix when needed.
>
> Nope. Battery drain is just too high.

it isn't too high.

> >> A much more practical solution, IMHO, would be Bluetooth in the camera
> >> that could obtain location data from a Bluetooth cell phone, as well as
> >> transfer pictures to the cell phone.
> >
> >or a bluetooth gps.
>
> Suit yourself, but I have no interest in carrying an unnecessary
> additional device.

the bluetooth gps devices are small and hardly noticeable and you've
already stated that geotagging doesn't interest you so you could leave
it in the car and be close enough without carrying anything.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:28 pm
From: Rich

"Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> wrote in
news:h2bf94$vn7$1@news.motzarella.org:

> I am not a lawyer.
>
> Here is my impression. RichA posted an image on the Internet which
> someone thought was a good example for the lens he was trying to sell.
> What's the big deal? I suppose the eBay poster should have given
> RichA credit, but that didn't happen and I fail to see any malice or
> damage or evil intent. Nothing actionable, as the legal eagles like to
> say.
>
> As I said, I'm not a lawyer.
>
> But, it is awesome to finally see a RichA photograph and it's a good
> shot, by the way. I might consider unblocking his posts.
>
> Forget about bashing Canon, and Sony, and plastics and join the rest
> of us.
>
>
>

Ever see the Second City episode where the Man from planet Zontar (John
Candy) took over the minds of Second City TV station personel using
cabbages stuck to the back of their heads? "Join us Blanchard!!"

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:29 pm
From: Rich

"jaf" <johnf202@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:dZudnX88D7Jr2tTXnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews.com:

>
> "Charles" <charlesschuler@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:h2bf94$vn7$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>I am not a lawyer.
>>
>> Here is my impression. RichA posted an image on the Internet which
>> someone thought was a good example for the lens he was trying to
>> sell. What's the big deal? I suppose the eBay poster should have
>> given RichA credit, but that didn't happen and I fail to see any
>> malice or damage or evil intent. Nothing actionable, as the legal
>> eagles like to say.
>>
>> As I said, I'm not a lawyer.
>>
>> But, it is awesome to finally see a RichA photograph and it's a good
>> shot, by the way. I might consider unblocking his posts.
>>
>> Forget about bashing Canon, and Sony, and plastics and join the rest
>> of us.
>>
>>
>
> And suppose the lens for sale is USED!
> Can post a picture of a new lens?
> Or one owned by anybody else?
>
> No sale!
>
> John

Most times when that happens, someone is posting an image cribbed off a
manufacture website. Most people expect and image of the genuine article
so it is unlikely that would impress buyers looking at the ad.
It can also be a red flag to a scam. Like where someone posts a tiny image
from a manufacturer site and the price is very low...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 9:25 pm
From: "Atheist Chaplain"

"D-Mac" <ping.me@news.group> wrote in message
news:7asq8qF1vepf2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Doug Jewell wrote:
>> D-Mac wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The difference between you and me is I make a living with my cameras,
>>> you only fantasise about doing that.
>>>
>>> How much have you made from shooting tame "tamelife" this year? ROTFL.
>>>
>>> I make more money in a day taking photos like you stole a copy of and
>>> called "The one legged groom" than you made so far this year from all
>>> your photos. Who the Jackass?
>> And yet you aren't registered for GST:
>> http://abn.business.gov.au/(32ivsh2m5s4pn4rranv1lb32)/abnDetails.aspx?abn=43604101393
>> How's business douggy?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> I probably never will be registered for GST either.
> Rule #1.

because your nothing more than a hobby photographer with delusions of
grandure Douggie. Its easy to generate $75,000 a year turnover if a business
is sucessful, hell when I worked PART TIME for myself I generated that and
more.

> Never have a dog if you are going to bark yourself son.
>
> You and your like minded trolls have been dogging my arse for years and
> never found out anything except that I exist...
>
> More than I can say for the idiots you worship. Like "Charles Stevens" who
> was later knows as Mark Thomas... Neither of which identities actually
> existed. It sounds good to use a plausible name for Usenet, doesn't it?
>
> I use my name as required by Australian Federal law with every publication
> I am responsible for.

then why this lie on this page
http://www.weddingsnportraits.com.au/wed-plan.htm "Everything on this site
( including this document ) is © Copyright 1968 - 2008 Douglas St James,
Brisbane Australia" when your registered name on your ABN is "MACDONALD,
DOUGLAS JAMES"

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi

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TOPIC: Why Use That POS Photomatix When There's Better Software?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 7:30 pm
From: l v

PDM wrote:
>> Wow! I sure hope you are not in sales.
>> Len
>
> He's sales manager for IBM
>
> PDM
>
>

That's sad.

Len

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TOPIC: PING SAVAGEDUCK: HDR software and resource
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 8:37 pm
From: Troy Piggins

Been trying to find this site and software to followup your
recent HDR threads. Not sure if it's been posted or recommended
already. This guy seems to really know his stuff, has written
his own HDR (free) software, explains the technical side in a way
even I (at least for the most part) understand.

http://www.guillermoluijk.com/index2_en.htm
http://www.guillermoluijk.com/software/index.htm
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guillermoluijk.com%2Ftutorial%2Fhdr%2Findex.htm&langpair=es|en&hl=EN&ie=UTF-8

It's not as easy to use as Photomatix, but much more control and
reading the above tutorials and articles will help understanding
a lot more.

--
Troy Piggins

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 9:05 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-29 20:37:49 -0700, Troy Piggins <usenet-0906@piggo.com> said:

> Been trying to find this site and software to followup your
> recent HDR threads. Not sure if it's been posted or recommended
> already. This guy seems to really know his stuff, has written
> his own HDR (free) software, explains the technical side in a way
> even I (at least for the most part) understand.
>
> http://www.guillermoluijk.com/index2_en.htm
> http://www.guillermoluijk.com/software/index.htm
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guillermoluijk.com%2Ftutorial%2Fhdr%2Findex.htm&langpair=es|en&hl=EN&ie=UTF-8

It's
>
> not as easy to use as Photomatix, but much more control and
> reading the above tutorials and articles will help understanding
> a lot more.

Troy,
Thanks for the links. I checked his site and tutorials out. He has much
to offer and does appear to know his stuff.
Right now I have more than I can chew on with Photomatix and finding
suitable subject material for further adventures in HDR.
There were basic mistakes I made with the original exposure and I have
at least learned that much. My preparation will be better next time.
This has been a weekend of invaluable lessons for me.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 9:45 pm
From: Charles

The number of people on antidepressants is soaring – we may be more
miserable, but let's swap the pills for support and care

* Comment is free

The drugs don't work

The number of people on antidepressants is soaring – we may be more
miserable, but let's swap the pills for support and care
, Monday 29 June 2009 12.00 BST

It may have been the happiest day of the year on 19 June, but we are
already into the hangover. Figures obtained by the Liberal Democrats
reveal that antidepressant prescription numbers are going through the
roof – 36m scripts were handed out to patients in England last year, a
rise of 2.1m on 2007. That's almost one for every adult. Lib Dem
health spokesman Norman Lamb is right to describe the figures as
"deeply disturbing".

Lamb has demanded improved help for people whose problems are
recession-related. It's true that financial woes create more distress,
but we shouldn't use the economy as a smokescreen for what is a
longer-term malaise. Antidepressant use has been going up for years –
prescriptions have more than tripled since the early 1990s. We have
not become a Prozac nation overnight.

So what is going on? Are we genuinely becoming more miserable? That's
part of the story – according to official statistics, the percentage
of people with a "common mental disorder (pdf)" increased from 15.5%
in 1993 to 17.6% in 2007 (that's a million extra unhappy people across
the UK). Some of these inevitably wind up at the GP surgery, seeking
relief.

But perhaps more instructive is what happens next. Most GPs respond to
mental health problems by reaching for the prescription pad, even
though guidelines from the National Institute For Clinical Excellence
generally recommend psychological therapies. To some extent, doctors
do this because they have little choice – more than three-quarters
have prescribed medication despite thinking an alternative would be
more appropriate. Most do so because there are no other options
available – decent psychotherapy services are still few and far
between, and often have long waiting lists.

<more>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/29/antidepressants-drugs

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 29 2009 10:08 pm
From: Charles

Sorry,wrong group.

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