Thursday, February 26, 2009

adobe.photoshop.macintosh - 25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* CS 4 Tabbed view and moving layers b/w documents - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/b11c3d3badb64c63?hl=en
* Question about File Saving Options in Preferences - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/0b50750a5264dd93?hl=en
* Cannot enter a decimal cmyk value in photoshop? Is rounding it up acurate? -
4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/e4fa73c2c7a09b43?hl=en
* Photoshop 11.0.1 Update Failed to Install - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/a7ac5db11db735e2?hl=en
* Dragging Picture Onto "New" project/worksurface, CS4 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/b06ac172e5204477?hl=en
* MacBook Pro - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/9f79b77aed8125df?hl=en
* Photshop CS3 no longer allowing use of shapes - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/c0337d86c7ef6c8f?hl=en
* Image disappears after cropping - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7d89d7a439771abe?hl=en
* Showing text as selected doesn't appear beyond 1260+ zoom - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/3163ba87cc9368e3?hl=en
* OT: Subscribing to topic - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/ff1e6b1de804c867?hl=en
* Possible bug with zoom field in Application Bar - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7d9c69a62a2879d0?hl=en
* open image on 2nd monitor - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/919223b698d68ce0?hl=en
* Anyone dare to try Safari 4 beta? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/6d6f0365875b592d?hl=en

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TOPIC: CS 4 Tabbed view and moving layers b/w documents
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/b11c3d3badb64c63?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 8:54 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


Then work in un-tabbed mode.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:23 am
From: A._Tz.@adobeforums.com


When it is necessary I work in un-tabbed mode. But the tabs are more convenient in 90% of the times.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:46 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


I agree with you and that's why I find the "n-up" Arrangement button so useful.

It really does work instantaneously here — literally in a blink of the eye.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:56 am
From: Buko


You can also select all the layers you want to copy and in the layers panel flyout choose dup layers and then target the the doc you want them in in the pull down.

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TOPIC: Question about File Saving Options in Preferences
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/0b50750a5264dd93?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 8:58 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


Saving the Icon and Thumbnails adds a minimal amount to the file-size and is just for the convenience of the user, the people with whom he shares files and when burning files to CDs.


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:44 am
From: Jon_Levy@adobeforums.com


Could you provide a few more details and examples in real world situations. That would make their use somewhat clearer to me, and help me determine if I need to choose to use any of them.
Jonathan


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:54 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


You honestly need to try the options for yourself. Some people use the Finder and like to see icons of their Photoshop files on the Desktop and recipients of CDs mostly want to see icons too.

I suggest that you leave them checked and with "Always Save" —except for the Full Size preview.

Check out the Photoshop Help features (such as this one) for more info.

<http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Photoshop/11.0/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7720a.html>

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TOPIC: Cannot enter a decimal cmyk value in photoshop? Is rounding it up
acurate?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/e4fa73c2c7a09b43?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:04 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


I seem to remember being told that the difference between the way that Photoshop and Illustrator handle CMYK is because Photoshop use LUTs which refer to L*ab; and Illustrator is unable to use the L*ab space.

But as Neil said, it really makes no difference in practical terms.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:15 am
From: pfigen


I've run into many situations where it does make a difference. One is where you are specifying solid tints in Quark or InDesign, where some of those builds use builds that are spec'd to the tenth of a percentage. It would be nice to be able to, when trying to match them exactly in Ps, spec at exactly the same resolution. Now I have to back to the layout app and modify the build to suit Ps.

The other is when printing to really good sheetfed presses that can hold and print a visible dot less than one percent. That can read as a zero percentage in Ps and yet still print as the slightest density on press. In the days of film generated plates, this was never a problem but it is today.


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:49 am
From: PeterK.@adobeforums.com


A tenth of a percentage really is "no difference." If you have a 50% dot versus a 50.1% dot, they both may give you a 70% on press and vary by 1 or 2 percent across the press anyway (or more, depending on the printing method and conditions on press). Spending time consolidating fractions of a percentage is a waste of time.
When working with 8-bit images, you can only have 256 discrete values in any one channel, so you may in effect have 2 values for any one percentage. Call them .5% if you want, but how this RIPs out may vary by more than differing fractions of a percent as well, depending on what kind of RIP/software/output you are using. And again, on press, the variations will cancel these differences out even further.
Seeing colours specifically spec'd out in fractions of a percent makes it really easy to pick out designers who don't understand print.
Btw, there are no dots less than 1% that read as zero in Photoshop. There are three discrete values for 1%, and how they come out depends on the factors I mentioned above.


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 11:12 am
From: pfigen


I'm not saying that you can see a tenth of a percentage, but you really can see five tenths of a percentage especially in the highlights. Actually I've seen situations all too often where even the difference between a dithered conversion in Ps to CMYK - even though the numbers read the same as the build in the layout app, in the shadows, is completely visible in print.

Yes, it's true that you can only have 256 values in an eight bit image. Divide that into the on hundred steps in the CMYK ink percentage scale, and you've got many in between numbers, including steps below one percent that read as zero.

As far as designers being stupid - well some are, but a lot of them just spec the Pantone color as a CMYK build, relying on the app to generate the numbers, and the app generates in between numbers because the L*a*b values are out ( I believe) to the 1/100th of a value, even though we can't spec those that way either.

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TOPIC: Photoshop 11.0.1 Update Failed to Install
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/a7ac5db11db735e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:09 am
From: Linns@adobeforums.com


Ann, you are correct, it did not say anything about quitting other applications or browsers.
Lesson learned despite following instructions. Now if only I can get this fixed.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:11 am
From: DavidMCooper@adobeforums.com


Same problem ...

Windows Vista 32-bit
Photoshop CS4 (standard edition)

Everything is closed prior to install.

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TOPIC: Dragging Picture Onto "New" project/worksurface, CS4
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/b06ac172e5204477?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:12 am
From: "Kathy Guo"


BTW, Ramon, you should use her instead of his. ;-)

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TOPIC: MacBook Pro
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/9f79b77aed8125df?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 9:34 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


Thanks...any specific suggestions for a fast external drive dedicated
as a scratch disk?


Check which ports the MacBook Pro which you are buying has because I understand that some laptops no longer have Firewire ports.

Providing that you have FW, an FW800 external drive would work.

Ask OWC for help with this too.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 12:28 pm
From: Allen_Wicks@adobeforums.com


All Macbook Pros have FW800 as well as EC/34 slots that allow eSATA cards. Various Macbooks lack FW and all Macbooks lack EC/34.

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TOPIC: Photshop CS3 no longer allowing use of shapes
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/c0337d86c7ef6c8f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:10 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


The first thing to try would be to re-set the prefs..

Are you doing normal maintenance regularly (Repair Permissions, Cocktail or Onyx, & DiskWarrior)?

Other things to consider:

How much free space do you have on your HDs? How much RAM? Do you have a separate HD for Scratch?

Have you tried to create a new User's account and run Photoshop from there?

Font Management situation?

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TOPIC: Image disappears after cropping
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7d89d7a439771abe?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:14 am
From: Atom_Biggs@adobeforums.com


This really helps. My resize was set to 8x10 pixels instead of inches. Then it kept defaulting to pixels when I would type any number in the box. To solve that problem you need to click on Window and select Info from the dropdown box. Then you have to click on the little arrow in the upper right hand corner of the Info box and select Info Panel Options. Then you can change the default to "inches". There must be an easier way to do that but I'm not sure what it is.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:37 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com


There IS an easier way to do that:

Just Control click on the Rulers and choose Inches (or any one of the other choices).

Then delete the value in Width and type only a number; tab to the Height box and type another number; tab and exit — and the dimensions are now expressed in your chosen Ruler units.

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TOPIC: Showing text as selected doesn't appear beyond 1260+ zoom
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/3163ba87cc9368e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:40 am
From: v6v6v6@adobeforums.com


Thanks,t
How about enlarge the font size to 1000pt?
Can you see the cursor? It seems something wrong with the font size

The test font I used is Lucida Grande, Regular, 12 pt, no anti-aliasing. Why do you feel something is wrong with it? Regardless, I can certainly try a larger font.

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TOPIC: OT: Subscribing to topic
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/ff1e6b1de804c867?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 10:51 am
From: v6v6v6@adobeforums.com


Sorry for the off-topic thread, but I'd like to be able to subscribe to topics as explained in the read subscriptions page <http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?38@@.ee6b362>:

You can subscribe to either an entire forum or to individual topics by
clicking on the Subscribe link in the gray box at the top of each forum
or topic thread.

Please note that I'm not referring to the "Subscribe to this discussion by email" option. Your help is appreciated.

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TOPIC: Possible bug with zoom field in Application Bar
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7d9c69a62a2879d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 11:09 am
From: v6v6v6@adobeforums.com


My apologies, I refer to this key as "Enter" because of my old PC habits. Command-return.

This one!
<http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/darthsauce/mac/return_enter.gif>

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TOPIC: open image on 2nd monitor
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/919223b698d68ce0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 11:29 am
From: Don_Saban@adobeforums.com


I vote to keep it the way it is. I never liked it when photos would open on the last monitor used. It doesn't need to be "fixed"......it was broken before, but it's "fixed" now!

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TOPIC: Anyone dare to try Safari 4 beta?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/6d6f0365875b592d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 11:40 am
From: Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com


It works fine, and is fast.

I have been beta testing software for over twelve years and my Mac would be more likely to go down then anyone if there were something wrong I constantly have untested software of all kinds on this Mac and all is excellent.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 26 2009 11:53 am
From: PShock@adobeforums.com


Then, there are some of us who wait, and read user reports and info from
reliable sources about how to mitigate disaster, how to fix problems,
and/or how to avoid problems altogether.


Then, there's another group of us who've been around long enough to know that 99% of ALL user reported problems are caused by said user. If my installs lived or died by the MacFixit sword, I'd never install a thing.

I take user problem reports with a huge grain of salt. Good thing ... I mean, just LOOK at all these Photoshop problems being reported here!

There's a difference between being cautious and overly paranoid. When you have proper backups, cautious is more than you need.

But you're welcome ... ;)

-phil


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