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* life after Windows.... - 21 messages, 7 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/02823f38853c8136?hl=en
* Olympus: Are they F----- CRAZY? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e68eefee518f24d1?hl=en
* Which Epson printer? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Neck chain or foot cord better for stability? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Again! Another camera goes soft with a pixel jump!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: life after Windows....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/02823f38853c8136?hl=en
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:06 pm
From: Mxsmanic

White Spirit writes:

> The blame for this situation falls entirely on Microsoft with their
> unethical business practices.

No, Microsoft has nothing to do with it. Developers write for the systems
that people use, if they want to make money selling their software.

== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:08 pm
From: Mxsmanic

Roger Hunt writes:

> Ever manage to get USB to open an eyelid?

I never used Windows 95 at all personally, because it was garbage.

== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:09 pm
From: Ari®

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:23 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:43:24 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>
>> Yes. Survival training.
>
> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
> k00kie crumbles...
>
> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat

New definition for "cat" food.
--
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http://tr.im/hrFG
Motto: Run, rabbit, Run!

== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:12 pm
From: Ari®

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:09:34 -0400, Ari® wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:23 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:43:24 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>
>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>> k00kie crumbles...
>>
>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>
> New definition for "cat" food.

And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
--
Ari's Fun Times!
http://tr.im/hrFG
Motto: Run, rabbit, Run!

== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:17 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <jkkns417slacq5rn10pd6s8o2auaqfl779@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> writes
>Roger Hunt writes:
>
>> Ever manage to get USB to open an eyelid?
>
>I never used Windows 95 at all personally, because it was garbage.

Yea, I suppose that makes about as much sense as saying "I used win95
all the time personally, because was brilliant".

(These statements cancel each other out, and we achieve a state of
blissful equilibrium.)
--
Roger Hunt

== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:18 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgk22$pna$1@news.motzarella.org>, Ari®
<AriSilverstein@army.com> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:09:34 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:23 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:43:24 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>
>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>
>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>
>> New definition for "cat" food.
>
>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.

If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
--
Roger Hunt

== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:28 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:02:50 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:

> And this attitude is a bit outdated today. Microsoft haters are getting old,
> and Microsoft-bashing is a bit old-fashioned. And of course it's not based on
> objective facts, which is the worst problem with it.

So boring, and so polarised. I like and use Windows, Linux, freeBSD.

The differences are educational, and you can use ideas from each to enhance
your use of the other.

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== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:38 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:17:11 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

> In article <jkkns417slacq5rn10pd6s8o2auaqfl779@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
> <mxsmanic@gmail.com> writes
>>Roger Hunt writes:
>>
>>> Ever manage to get USB to open an eyelid?
>>
>>I never used Windows 95 at all personally, because it was garbage.
>
> Yea, I suppose that makes about as much sense as saying "I used win95
> all the time personally, because was brilliant".
>
> (These statements cancel each other out, and we achieve a state of
> blissful equilibrium.)

... which lasts for only a brief moment when I throw up the OS whose name
one should never speak

React OS....

Oh yes, touted by our freeware researcher extraordinaire as the one to look
closely at...

== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:42 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:32 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>
>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>
>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>
>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>
>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>
> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.

...are you a man.... or a mouse?

== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:57 pm
From: James Cooke

Ari® wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:09:09 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:54:31 -0400, Ari® wrote:
>>
>>>>> toluene
>>>> Have you been at the glue again Roger?
>>> I was dissecting a cat, had phermaldehyde (sp??) all over my hands,
>>> picked up a bottle of toluene and spilled it, ate the hair of both arms
>>> in a nanosecond.
>> Practising for your meet and greet with Bob S?
>
> Yes. Survival training.

Is he the one you want to rub his balls on your face?

== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:59 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqglro$7g6$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:32 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>
>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>
>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>
>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>
>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>
>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>
... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
--
Roger Hunt

== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:14 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tajns4t4qd1ak7go63c0r3r61bs1rvrl07@4ax.com...

>> Wandering around the house once a week with a USB passport for ma couple
>> of
>> hours (plus the odd conversation on the lines of "Have you finished with
>> that computer? I need to do backups") isn't really practical, I have a
>> life to lead...
>
> A backup only requires about 15 minutes.

You've got to find the computer, switch it on, do the job and go on to the
next one.

Where does your wife keep her eeepc?

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:16 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cijns415ls5ufqe7vtbg8emptfi64e393r@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:
>
>> Which of course accounts for the huge popularity of things like the eeepc
>> and the Acorn 'Aspire One' and a shed load of others, most of which run
>> Linux...
>
> The huge popularity?

They sell millions of the things, half the shelf space given over to
laptops in every computer shop in the country is used to display them, of
course they're popular you imbecile...

You really do need to get out more...

--
William Black

== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:17 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8jjns49jgfr5jbvmdf4jmbabamq7hg5m8l@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:

>> Especially as people are now replacing old Windows XP computers with new
>> ones and finding they have to pay 'Windows tax' even though they already
>> own
>> the product...
>
> I've seen no mass exodus to Linux, or even Mac.

There's certainly an upswing in resentment.

--
William Black

== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:18 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1qjns41lh7tua1lgrfuvqf2in0984kp31m@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:
>
>> More than fifteen years ago to be correct, but it didn't work...
>>
>> We all had to strain to keep servers running, (you'd be lucky to keep an
>> NT
>> server running for 7 days because it 'ate' memory when working), until
>> the
>> inevitable 'SP 3' came out...
>
> I never had any trouble with it. Neither did our servers.

But you already said you didn't use it until 10 years ago...

So you wouldn't...

--
William Black

== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:21 pm
From: "William Black"

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:lsjns4lrmv7f4ml8i8jc0eg9jql7aaavm4@4ax.com...
> William Black writes:
>
>> The guy who claimed he's had an NT server running since they came out
>> without a problem is just lying. No NT server would run more than six
>> weeks
>> or so without a fatal error caused by an overflow.
>
> I've seen them run for years.

So have I, after they worked the bugs out.

>> NT was just Microsoft 'LAN manager' V3, and what's more if you look at
>> the
>> original file headers on an original NT distribution disk it says so.
>> Anyone who pretends differently, like Mitzi, doesn't know the horrible
>> history of Microsoft networking products...
>
> NT was a completely new operating system.

Which is why it's called NT 3, or NT 3.1 after they got it working
properly...

Interestingly, it came after LAN Manager 2...

--
William Black

== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:27 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>
>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>
>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>
>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>
>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>
> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?

I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>

--
You gotta fight, for your right, to party...
The best of the best in Freeware
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Registered Linux User #485718

== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:29 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgoes$usk$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>>
>>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>>
>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>
>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>
>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>
>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>
Funny looking hand ...
,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?
--
Roger Hunt

== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:31 pm
From: John Stubbings

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:29:25 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:

> In article <gqgoes$usk$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way the
>>>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>>
>>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>>
>>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>>
>>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>>
> Funny looking hand ...
> ,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?

Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.

--
You gotta fight, for your right, to party...
The best of the best in Freeware
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Registered Linux User #485718

== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:36 pm
From: Roger Hunt

In article <gqgomc$uua$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
<anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:29:25 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>> In article <gqgoes$usk$1@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
>> <anna.riceDELETE-THIS@virgin.net> writes
>>>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:59:01 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Survival training.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two men enter... one man leaves. It's the law of the jungle, the way
>the
>>>>>>>>> k00kie crumbles...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Although it seems a bit unfair on the cat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New definition for "cat" food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And no, it doesn't taste like chicken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it tastes like cheese, stop eating immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>>...are you a man.... or a mouse?
>>>>>
>>>> ... are you a cardigan.... or a blouse?
>>>
>>>I Sir, am neither... I have the honour m'lud to be so fortunate to 'ave
>>>been promoted to the high office of he who is known as 'The groom of the
>>>stool'<doff cap> nicetomeetcha <spit><offers hand in friendship>
>>>
>> Funny looking hand ...
>> ,,, are you a pelican.... or a grouse?
>
>Neither Sir, I caught a rather nasty disease from a louse.
>
As carried by that artist Toulouse?
--
Roger Hunt

== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:47 pm
From: Chris H

In message <tajns4t4qd1ak7go63c0r3r61bs1rvrl07@4ax.com>, Mxsmanic
<mxsmanic@gmail.com> writes
>William Black writes:
>
>> Ah, I forget you live alone...
>>
>> Only one computer as well it seems...
>
>I use multiple computers. I'm not sure how living alone factors into it.

Me neither... The two of use here have 5PC's and two MACs running most
of the time and a SUN ULTRA II other times.

>> I need a system that will back up a reasonable array of computer equipment
>> from an Asus eeepc to a Linux box, with a couple of others thrown in.
>Removable disks are still an option.

I agree you can get inexpensive 1 and 2 terrabyte fire wire external
drives

>> Wandering around the house once a week with a USB passport for ma couple of
>> hours (plus the odd conversation on the lines of "Have you finished with
>> that computer? I need to do backups") isn't really practical, I have a
>> life to lead...
>A backup only requires about 15 minutes

Mine is automatic.

>> A Samba box using RAID 1 works, costs next to nothing and is easy to
>> administer.
>RAID1 isn't a backup.

I use RAID 10 and automatic off site back up
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TOPIC: Olympus: Are they F----- CRAZY?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 12:35 pm
From: SMS

Alan Hoyle wrote:

> I don't know that I would have picked Olympus if I was starting from
> scratch. However, unless I'm missing something in my evaluation,
> switching systems to either Canon or Nikon, getting equivalent quality
> glass would end up costing me a significant chunk of money MORE than
> what Olympus would cost.

Compare very wide-angle zoom lenses. Olympus is far more expensive, at
least 2x.

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TOPIC: Which Epson printer?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:30 pm
From: Eric Stevens

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:49:35 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net>
wrote:

>Eric Stevens wrote:
>> I can't make up my mind which Epson printer to buy, a 2880 or a 3800.
>> By all accounts the 3800 produces better images but it suffers from
>> the disadvantage that it's ink cartridges are much larger at 80ml.
>> They have a rated life of 6 months after they have been opened and
>> with my irregular usage it is possible that I could run over this.
>>
>> Has anyone any experience with the 3800 (or other Epson printers with
>> K3 inks) when the ink gets old in service? Do they tend to clog or do
>> they give no real trouble in service? I would be grateful for advice.
>
>I would consider larger ink carts a huge advantage. That's nonsense that
>they would expire in 6 months, the bigger issue is clogging due to
>infrequent use and the newer Epsons are better about that. I thought
>about a CIS system for my R1800 but the clog issue has scared me a bit.
>My old Epson clogged but that was much cheaper & older, I sometimes let
>my R1800 go for weeks without making any prints and it hasn't had any
>problems.

I'm currently running an 1800 and have had almost no problems with
clogging. The only exception turned out to be caused by wandering
cat-fur.

The R1800 doesn't use K3 inks and my original question was prompted by
the concern that possibly these might be more temperamental (the cat
has died of old age at 21).

Eric Stevens

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TOPIC: Neck chain or foot cord better for stability?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:40 pm
From: Wayne R.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:59:11 -0400, krishnananda
<krishnananda@divine-life.org> wrote (with clarity & insight):

>Aircraft cable:
>
><https://www.kryptonitelock.com/products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1001&scid
>=1001&pid=1124>

A truly good selection of aircraft cable (and pretty much anything
else that's hardware) is at McMaster.

<http://www.mcmaster.com/#aircraft-cable/=169qr9>

Fittings, etc., also, for those cables.

(Play with the site, it's terrific. Just type "screws" into the
search, it's amazing. And their service is also terrific.)

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TOPIC: Again! Another camera goes soft with a pixel jump!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 26 2009 1:54 pm
From: "Charles"

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dVwyl.102692$Rg3.82866@newsfe17.iad...

> It is more likely that the sensor is outpacing the capabilities of the
> glass and end user combined. Are the images still soft on a tripod and
> taken in good light at the optimum f ratio for diffraction limited
> imaging?

The tried and true weak link maxim. The emphasis on sensor resolution was
once important, but is now mostly a tiresome marketing ploy.

> Sharpness sells so a lot of the lower end cameras by default do some
> fairly brutal in camera sharpening to add extra punch. The high end
> cameras tend to record more accurately what the lens actually saw.

Wow, how true this is with beginners who see sharpness above all factors but
seem to miss (ignore?) the ugly artifacts.

> The search of ever larger numbers of pixels is running out of steam. If
> the pixels are too small you get poor signal to noise (not that it will
> stop the marketeers fooling Joe Public with their uber-megapixel race).

Noise really shows up with the crammed sensors. The fixes fuzz the picture
and the EFFECTIVE resolution is less than what can be achieved with a
reasonable design.

Alas, the horsepower race and the watts per channel race and the digital
cameral MP race will never completely die because consumers are too often
keyed in one or two issues.

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