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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 1:53 pm
From: "Frank ess"

Allen wrote:
> Pat wrote:
>> On Mar 20, 3:53 pm, "Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>>> C J Campbell wrote:
>>>> On 2009-03-19 08:33:22 -0700, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us>
>>>> said:
>>>>> Hey, are you really a Mormon? If so, I have a question for you.
>>>>> I like drinking Postum on occasion. Seems like they've
>>>>> discontinued it for a while and you can't buy it any more except
>>>>> for outlandish prices on Ebay.
>>>> Postum will probably not come back. Few, even among us 'Mormons'
>>>> (we prefer the term Latter-day Saints, or Saints) ever drank it.
>>>> Seventh Day Adventists also drank it. Hot chocolate and herbal
>>>> 'teas' were always more popular and still are. Personally, I
>>>> hate the stuff. You can make your own Postum. A recipe from
>>>> Mother Earth News calls for you to combine six cups of cracked
>>>> wheat with a cup of milk, a half cup of molasses, and a teaspoon
>>>> of salt. Spread it thinly on a cookie sheet and bake until brown
>>>> in a 300º oven. Be careful not to let it burn. Turn the heat off
>>>> and leave it in the oven to dry to a crisp. Grind it up in a
>>>> coffee mill, store in sealed jars, and perk or drip like regular
>>>> coffee. You can get cracked wheat from health food stores. Or you
>>>> can
>>>> use a mixture of whole wheat flour and bran.
>>> That's a nice piece of information for Postum users.
>>>
>>> Everyone in my extended (is that a necessary modifier?) LDS family
>>> drank Postum and Dr Pepper in the middle-late 1940s, Layton, Utah
>>> and thereabouts. What I remember learning is that they were the
>>> drinks that had no caffeine in them. Now I have to wonder if
>>> there was some detheobrominated hot chocolate. Seems to me
>>> chocolate (Spanish, from Nahuatl xocolatl : xococ, bitter + atl,
>>> water.) has a significant caffeine-like effect due to its
>>> theobromine component. Each is a stimulant; is one more bannable
>>> than another? --
>>> Frank ess
>>>
>>> thinsp.png
>>> < 1KViewDownload
>>
>> Ahh. The fundamental difference between LDS and Catholics. You
>> don't like caffeine while we serve wine halfway through Mass so
>> the Irish will come.
>>
>> I guess I'm one of the few people who actually liked the taste of
>> Postum. It was a pleasant diversion from tea and coffee. I
>> probably have a half-dozen types of coffee in the house and maybe
>> a dozen different teas but sometimes Postum just hits the stop. I
>> guess I'm going to have to try one of the substitutes.
>>
>> I wouldn't mind making my own but I don't want to add the brewing
>> stop every time. I'm wondering about brewing it in bulk and
>> freeze drying/ dehydrating it. Then it would be "instant" like
>> Postum but it would also probably need some sort of anti-caking
>> agent. I wonder how hard that would be?
>>
> Back in the 1930s there were many ads for a coffee substitute
> featuring a character with a satanic look about him called "Mr.
> Coffee Nerves". I am having trouble remembering if this was for
> Postum (my strongest recollection) or some other product. Does
> anyone recall, or am I the only one here who is old enough to go
> back that far? Allen

I'm sure I remember there being a "Mr Coffee Nerves", but I'm afraid
the visual image is blended with that of "Peter Pain" (Absorbine Jr?).

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 1:53 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

"Mormons" is so ninenteen seventies. Remember the ads, with
the narrator at the end? Brought to you by the Church......
the Mormons.

I've not tried Postum, so I don't know one way or the other.
I love hot chocolate, so that's not as much an issue.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"C J Campbell" <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:2009032011175175249-

Postum will probably not come back. Few, even among us
'Mormons' (we
prefer the term Latter-day Saints, or Saints) ever drank it.
Seventh
Day Adventists also drank it. Hot chocolate and herbal
'teas' were
always more popular and still are. Personally, I hate the
stuff.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 1:56 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I don't know about back then, but Dr. Pepper now days has a
good stiff dose of caffeine. I found that out by accident
one hot summer night. I bought a two liter on the way home
from a hot day of work. Poured some over ice. I'd forgot how
much I loved the stuff. So, fill er up a couple more times.
I had a lot of trouble sleeping, that night.

From what I've been told, caffeine isn't the issue. Since
colas are personal choice. Something about tea and coffee,
but it hasn't really been explained to us yet.

The church has also recently spoken against the "energy
drinks" that are high in caffeine. The church magazine had
an article about energy drinks a couple months ago.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
news:I8adndA_DujTaV7UnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@giganews.com...

That's a nice piece of information for Postum users.

Everyone in my extended (is that a necessary modifier?) LDS
family
drank Postum and Dr Pepper in the middle-late 1940s, Layton,
Utah and
thereabouts. What I remember learning is that they were the
drinks
that had no caffeine in them. Now I have to wonder if there
was some
detheobrominated hot chocolate. Seems to me chocolate
(Spanish, from
Nahuatl xocolatl : xococ, bitter + atl, water.) has a
significant
caffeine-like effect due to its theobromine component. Each
is a
stimulant; is one more bannable than another?

--
Frank ess

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 1:58 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I enjoy a polite religious joke now and again. Most of the
LDS jokes are a bit cultural specific, so others might not
get them.

Q: How many home teachers does it take to change a light
bulb?
A: Two, but it has to be late in the month.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
news:226a77ea-13fa-41b3-bb56-66c922a83c08@j8g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

Ahh. The fundamental difference between LDS and Catholics.
You don't
like caffeine while we serve wine halfway through Mass so
the Irish
will come.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 2:00 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I wasn't alive for these ads, but I read in old magazines
that Chesterfields cure throat scratch. Lucky me, I'm
allergic to tobacco smoke. One less thing I had to give up,
to join the church.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:PKmdnZVfG-H6zFjUnZ2dnUVZ_jaWnZ2d@giganews.com...

Back in the 1930s there were many ads for a coffee
substitute featuring
a character with a satanic look about him called "Mr. Coffee
Nerves". I
am having trouble remembering if this was for Postum (my
strongest
recollection) or some other product. Does anyone recall, or
am I the
only one here who is old enough to go back that far?
Allen

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:29 pm
From: Pat

On Mar 21, 4:56 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know about back then, but Dr. Pepper now days has a
> good stiff dose of caffeine. I found that out by accident
> one hot summer night. I bought a two liter on the way home
> from a hot day of work. Poured some over ice. I'd forgot how
> much I loved the stuff. So, fill er up a couple more times.
> I had a lot of trouble sleeping, that night.

I have ADD so caffeine has such a different effect on me that it isn't
funny. One evening I had a friend over and happened to make
espresso. He wanted some. The next day he called to complain that he
went home, cleaned the house, paid bills, etc. and stayed up 'till
4:00 AM and had to get up at 7:00 for work. He was wiped out. As for
me, I went to bed. Caffeine slows me down, not winds me up.

It is strange, but I have never thought that the LDS traditions (that
I know of) as being in any way weird. Who cares if you drink coffee.
I just think of it as "different strokes for different folks". It is
no stranger than what us Catholics do ... no meat on Fridays during
Lent, etc. or what Jews do. I've always been respectful of them
because I've always thought that if it's part of your religion, it
keeps your community together, and doesn't bother anyone else; then
it's not for me do decide what's strange or normal.

I had a friend over who was Jewish. He brought his kids. We had BBQ
chicken. He had never had it. Within his family tradition, it was
just something that they never ate. He didn't keep Kosher but if he
did, it was still possible to eat. He just didn't eat it. I guess we
all have our traditions and cultures.

BTW, do you remember the old Bob Newhart routine about Sir Walter
Raleigh telephoning his bosses back in England. We was trying to
explain how you took this plant, lit it on fire, stuck the burning
leaves near your face and breathed in the smoke. Then he ended, IIRC,
with saying that you don't even want to know about the bean that you
grind up, pour hot water over, and drink the broth.

>
> From what I've been told, caffeine isn't the issue. Since
> colas are personal choice. Something about tea and coffee,
> but it hasn't really been explained to us yet.
>
> The church has also recently spoken against the "energy
> drinks" that are high in caffeine. The church magazine had
> an article about energy drinks a couple months ago.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
>
> "Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:I8adndA_DujTaV7UnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> That's a nice piece of information for Postum users.
>
> Everyone in my extended (is that a necessary modifier?) LDS
> family
> drank Postum and Dr Pepper in the middle-late 1940s, Layton,
> Utah and
> thereabouts. What I remember learning is that they were the
> drinks
> that had no caffeine in them. Now I have to wonder if there
> was some
> detheobrominated hot chocolate. Seems to me chocolate
> (Spanish, from
> Nahuatl xocolatl : xococ, bitter + atl, water.) has a
> significant
> caffeine-like effect due to its theobromine component. Each
> is a
> stimulant; is one more bannable than another?
>
> --
> Frank ess

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:44 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
news:d195b6cc-33c2-4e3b-9e99-d3c863a839a9@33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

I have ADD so caffeine has such a different effect on me
that it isn't
funny. One evening I had a friend over and happened to make
espresso. He wanted some. The next day he called to
complain that he
went home, cleaned the house, paid bills, etc. and stayed up
'till
4:00 AM and had to get up at 7:00 for work. He was wiped
out. As for
me, I went to bed. Caffeine slows me down, not winds me up.

CY: My cousin has an adopted boy who has ADD. Same thing.
Coffee perks up cousin, and calms down the boy (who is about
16 now).

CY: I guess each group of people has a set of rules.

It is
no stranger than what us Catholics do ... no meat on Fridays
during
Lent, etc. or what Jews do. I've always been respectful of
them
because I've always thought that if it's part of your
religion, it
keeps your community together, and doesn't bother anyone
else; then
it's not for me do decide what's strange or normal.

CY: That's a good way to look at it. The different churches
and groups have different customs.

I had a friend over who was Jewish. He brought his kids.
We had BBQ
chicken. He had never had it. Within his family tradition,
it was
just something that they never ate. He didn't keep Kosher
but if he
did, it was still possible to eat. He just didn't eat it.
I guess we
all have our traditions and cultures.

CY: Hmm. I guess chicken would be kosher if not eaten with
milk? One family in my congregation are vegetarians. I
remember asking why, but they weren't very clear with their
answer.

BTW, do you remember the old Bob Newhart routine about Sir
Walter
Raleigh telephoning his bosses back in England. We was
trying to
explain how you took this plant, lit it on fire, stuck the
burning
leaves near your face and breathed in the smoke. Then he
ended, IIRC,
with saying that you don't even want to know about the bean
that you
grind up, pour hot water over, and drink the broth.

CY: No, but it sounds a bit like the humor Mark Twain used,
in his "Letter from the Earth". I bought a copy of that many
years ago, and really got a good laugh. I can easily imagine
someone thinking LDS folks are quite strange.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:46 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I presume you have heard the joke I heard so many years ago.
Still give me the giggles. About the very nervous new
priest. The older priest suggested martinis in his water
tumbler. After the sermon, the older priest corrected a list
of things.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Pat" <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote in message
news:d195b6cc-33c2-4e3b-9e99-d3c863a839a9@33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
I just think of it as "different strokes for different
folks". It is
no stranger than what us Catholics do ... no meat on Fridays
during

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:47 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=mr+coffee+nerves+&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

And, Google to the rescue.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Allen" <allent@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:49 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

During the salmonella crisis, I called that "Pooper pan". I
know, I'm not supposed to make potty jokes.

http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&q=peter+pain+&btnG=Search+Images

I doubt we got the proper image, on Google.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
news:4POdndVJ85IvzljUnZ2dnUVZ_uWWnZ2d@giganews.com...

I'm sure I remember there being a "Mr Coffee Nerves", but
I'm afraid
the visual image is blended with that of "Peter Pain"
(Absorbine Jr?).

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 6:28 pm
From: ASAAR

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:53:12 -0700, Frank ess wrote:

> I'm sure I remember there being a "Mr Coffee Nerves", but I'm afraid
> the visual image is blended with that of "Peter Pain" (Absorbine Jr?).

I used to see Ben-Gay's "Peter Pain" ads each week in the local
newspaper's Sunday comic section, and several years later listened
to Jean Shepherd's radio program where he'd spin tales of Peter Pain
(said to look like a pickle) and his arch nemesis, Mr. Ben-Gay. The
following tale is also on one of his old 33 1/3 LPs :

> Shep to me wasn't an unseen presence in a movie or an ink-on-paper
> author, but the late-night voice that came riding in to the
> accompaniment of Strauss' rollicking "Bahn Frei Polka," which
> both announced his arrival on WOR radio in New York and often
> provided the recurring bass line for the story of the evening, which
> generally was a childhood reminiscence, a gripe about Army life, or
> a Shepherd riff on some pet peeve or news report that he managed
> to tie in to some childhood memory from the 1930s or 1940s.
>
> One centered on the downfall of ancient advertising icon "Peter Pain,"
> a character now lost in the mists of time, whose perverse enjoyment
> of arthritis aches and discomfort could be seen in the Sunday comics
> sections of yore. Mr. Pain, a cartoon sadist, used his pitchfork to really
> make that shoulder and back hurt like the devil itself.
>
> As Shepherd told it, Mr. Pain's life was no bed of roses, either. He was
> the arch enemy of another cartoon figure, liniment product hero
> "Ben Gay," the swaggering personification of a large tube of ointment.
> Mr. Gay always delivered a timely comeuppance to the villainous
> Mr. Pain, who was sort of a scruffy, vaguely European, green,
> stubble-faced, derby wearing pickle. Now, THAT was advertising!
>
> One night, quite possibly bored out of his skull, Shepherd pondered
> aloud on Mr. Pain's continuous string of misfortunes at the hands of
> Mr. Gay. Harking back to a familiar theme in his monologues, that
> some unknowable force was out there, which was beyond our power
> to control and which was working in immutable, mysterious ways to
> make our lives miserable, was also perhaps even to blame for taking
> the bread out of the hands of so lowly a thing as an arthritis-loving pickle.
>
> "That's right, he's out of work now. He can't earn a nickel,"
> Shepherd mused after recalling yet another Sunday morning humiliation
> heaped on Peter Pain from the comic strips of his youth. "Every night,
> at 2 o'clock in the morning, you see old Pete out on Times Square,
> cadging pastrami sandwiches from those old, out-of-work, broken-down
> comics and strippers, dreaming about those great, old days in show biz.
>
> "You can talk about your discrimination. Was this because he was
> ... green? Oh, no. Because he was shaped like a pickle? Oh, no. It goes
> far deeper than that. We can't take it. We can't -- none of us can take it.
> You want to know where the real Pete Pain went and why he's out of
> work? Why he can't earn a nickel anymore?
>
> "They got this motivational research firm on the job and they went from
> coast to coast and they were trying to find out what was really happening,
> and they found out all right. They found out old Pete wasn't selling
> Ben Gay at all. No," said Shepherd.
>
> "He was selling pitchforks, and they were moving! They were really moving!"

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/muskegon/index.ssf/2008/12/a_christmas_story_about_a_chri.html

Some old newspaper Ben-Gay ads (small jpg files) :
http://i17.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/f5/84/4e92_1.JPG [1943 ad]
http://i24.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/f5/fa/d8a6_1.JPG [1944 ad]
http://i23.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/0e/a6/b3e2_1.JPG [1955 ad]

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TOPIC: Olympus SLR boss says 12 MP is enough
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 3:08 pm
From: Rob

nospam wrote:
> In article <MPG.242f46efd6893bd398c070@news.supernews.com>, Alfred
> Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Nonsense. The difference in size between the E620 and the smallest
>>> APS-C DSLRs is insignificant.
>> Compare by yourself using the E420, the smallest 4/3 DSLR:
>>
>> (W x H x D) Body weight (inc. battery & card)
>> Olympus E-420 129.5 x 91 x 53 mm 445 g
>> Canon EOS 450D 129 x 98 x 62 mm 526 g
>> Nikon D60 126 x 94 x 64 mm 544 g
>> Sony DSLR-A200 131 x 98.5 x 71 mm 624 g
>
> the nikon is 3.5mm narrower and 3mm taller. that's basically the same
> size. the canon is 0.5mm narrower and 7mm taller, also insignificant.
>
> the only advantage to the olympus is that is a little thinner but that
> makes no difference once a lens is attached.
>
>> 445g for the E420, 526g for the Canon 450
>> 624 cubic cm for the E420, 784 cubic cm for the 450D
>>
>> That is not an insignificant weight/size difference.
>
> weight and volume of the body alone is irrelevant. attach a lens and
> compare.

As someone relatively new to using different lenses, I have to say the
initial surprise at the weight of my new 40D (compared to my old 300D)
was soon gone once I bolted a 18-200mm zoom on the end. If anything, the
additional weight helps balance IMHO.

Rob

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 3:11 pm
From: Alfred Molon

In article <210320091138515005%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam says...
> In article <MPG.242f46efd6893bd398c070@news.supernews.com>, Alfred
> Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Nonsense. The difference in size between the E620 and the smallest
> > > APS-C DSLRs is insignificant.
> >
> > Compare by yourself using the E420, the smallest 4/3 DSLR:
> >
> > (W x H x D) Body weight (inc. battery & card)
> > Olympus E-420 129.5 x 91 x 53 mm 445 g
> > Canon EOS 450D 129 x 98 x 62 mm 526 g
> > Nikon D60 126 x 94 x 64 mm 544 g
> > Sony DSLR-A200 131 x 98.5 x 71 mm 624 g
>
> the nikon is 3.5mm narrower and 3mm taller. that's basically the same
> size. the canon is 0.5mm narrower and 7mm taller, also insignificant.

Hi nospam, can you read? The Nikon is also 11mm wider. Also with the
Canon you missed the 3rd dimension.
--

Alfred Molon
------------------------
Olympus 50X0, 8080, E3X0, E4X0, E5X0, E620, E30, E3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 3:22 pm
From: Alfred Molon

In article <8kfas4hmoa3j80l7t0m5f20vj2vv6vgqag@4ax.com>, Bruce says...

> Olympus predicted that 5 MP would be enough to attract pro shooters.
>
> Wrong. Canon's pro camera jumped from 4 to 8 MP within weeks of the
> introduction of the Olympus E1 and stole the market.

Show me where they predicted that.

> Olympus predicted that Four Thirds would enable the production of
> smaller and lighter lenses with superior optical performance to those
> for APS-C.
>
> Wrong. The specialist Canon AF-S and Nikon DX lenses were just as
> small, just as light, and performed so well they stole the market.

And here they were right. Smaller sensor => smaller and more lightweight
lens.

> Olympus predicted that Four Thirds would become the format of choice for
> pros because of the small, light and optically superb lenses.
>
> Wrong. The only pros who used Four Thirds for more than a few months
> were those who were sponsored by Olympus.

Never heard of that prediction. Besides you are repeating yourself (see
above).

> Olympus predicted that many other camera manufacturers would jump on the
> Four Thirds bandwagon.
>
> Wrong. Only Panasonic joined. Panasonic have all but abandoned Four
> Thirds and have decided that the only way to realise the benefits of the
> small sensor is to make non-SLR cameras without a reflex mirror.
>
> Olympus predicted that many other lens manufacturers would jump on the
> Four Thirds bandwagon.
>
> Wrong. Only Panasonic and Sigma joined. Some Panasonic lenses had the
> Leica name but they were neither designed nor manufactured by Leica.
> None of the Sigma lenses was designed for Four Thirds - they are merely
> adapted versions of Sigma's APS-C (DC) lenses using a Four Thirds mount.

You are mixing up "prediction" with "marketing campaign".

In any case there is a demand for small and lightweight cameras with
DSLR-like performance. Not everybody wants to lug around a huge and
heavy backpack full of photographic gear.

Why would anybody want to carry around a heavy full frame DSLR when a
much smaller and lighter one is available and the image quality is
sufficient.
--

Alfred Molon
------------------------
Olympus 50X0, 8080, E3X0, E4X0, E5X0, E620, E30, E3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 3:24 pm
From: Alfred Molon

In article <dvgas4h2g5928fhilcih273qig2f9nu0vm@4ax.com>, Bruce says...
> Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <9dp9s493dm2jjqgi8cetvrhgilalq8o3a4@4ax.com>, Bruce says...
> >
> >> Nonsense. The difference in size between the E620 and the smallest
> >> APS-C DSLRs is insignificant.
> >
> >Compare by yourself using the E420, the smallest 4/3 DSLR:
> >
> >(W x H x D) Body weight (inc. battery & card)
> >Olympus E-420 129.5 x 91 x 53 mm 445 g
> >Canon EOS 450D 129 x 98 x 62 mm 526 g
> >Nikon D60 126 x 94 x 64 mm 544 g
> >Sony DSLR-A200 131 x 98.5 x 71 mm 624 g
> >
> >445g for the E420, 526g for the Canon 450
> >624 cubic cm for the E420, 784 cubic cm for the 450D
> >
> >That is not an insignificant weight/size difference.
>
>
> Don't be ridiculous. Insignificant is *exactly* what it is.

A 25% difference in volume is not insignificant.

> The owner of my local camera store believes one of the reasons Olympus
> DSLRs are difficult to sell is that they are too small for most people.

ROTFL. Then why do so many people buy small compact cameras?
--

Alfred Molon
------------------------
Olympus 50X0, 8080, E3X0, E4X0, E5X0, E620, E30, E3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:39 pm
From: nospam

In article <MPG.242f847931b2b4fe98c073@news.supernews.com>, Alfred
Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > (W x H x D) Body weight (inc. battery & card)
> > > Olympus E-420 129.5 x 91 x 53 mm 445 g
> > > Canon EOS 450D 129 x 98 x 62 mm 526 g
> > > Nikon D60 126 x 94 x 64 mm 544 g
> > > Sony DSLR-A200 131 x 98.5 x 71 mm 624 g
> >
> > the nikon is 3.5mm narrower and 3mm taller. that's basically the same
> > size. the canon is 0.5mm narrower and 7mm taller, also insignificant.
>
> Hi nospam, can you read? The Nikon is also 11mm wider. Also with the
> Canon you missed the 3rd dimension.

not only can i read, but i can do simple subtraction too, and the 11mm
is *depth* not width.

width: 126mm versus 129.5mm, with nikon 3.5 mm narrower.
height: 94mm versus 91mm, with nikon being 3mm taller.
depth: 64mm versus 53mm, with nikon being 11mm thicker but that can
dramatically change depending on what lens is attached.

a 3mm difference in width & height is insignificant and probably would
not be noticed at *all*. even the 11mm difference in thickness is not
that big of a deal and as i said before, that can change, depending on
which lens is attached.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:40 pm
From: nospam

In article <MPG.242f86eacd8ee4398c074@news.supernews.com>, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Why would anybody want to carry around a heavy full frame DSLR when a
> much smaller and lighter one is available and the image quality is
> sufficient.

because they want the image quality advantages that full frame offers,
particularly at higher isos, or they want less expensive wide angle
lenses.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:07 pm
From: Bruce

Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <dvgas4h2g5928fhilcih273qig2f9nu0vm@4ax.com>, Bruce says...
>> Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9dp9s493dm2jjqgi8cetvrhgilalq8o3a4@4ax.com>, Bruce says...
>> >
>> >> Nonsense. The difference in size between the E620 and the smallest
>> >> APS-C DSLRs is insignificant.
>> >
>> >Compare by yourself using the E420, the smallest 4/3 DSLR:
>> >
>> >(W x H x D) Body weight (inc. battery & card)
>> >Olympus E-420 129.5 x 91 x 53 mm 445 g
>> >Canon EOS 450D 129 x 98 x 62 mm 526 g
>> >Nikon D60 126 x 94 x 64 mm 544 g
>> >Sony DSLR-A200 131 x 98.5 x 71 mm 624 g
>> >
>> >445g for the E420, 526g for the Canon 450
>> >624 cubic cm for the E420, 784 cubic cm for the 450D
>> >
>> >That is not an insignificant weight/size difference.
>>
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous. Insignificant is *exactly* what it is.
>
>A 25% difference in volume is not insignificant.

On the contrary, it is not significant because 7mm in height and 9mm in
depth are neither here nor there.

Your volume calculations are of course designed to mislead because the
EOS 450D has a grip whereas the E420 does not.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:08 pm
From: Bruce

Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <8kfas4hmoa3j80l7t0m5f20vj2vv6vgqag@4ax.com>, Bruce says...
>
>> Olympus predicted that 5 MP would be enough to attract pro shooters.
>>
>> Wrong. Canon's pro camera jumped from 4 to 8 MP within weeks of the
>> introduction of the Olympus E1 and stole the market.
>
>Show me where they predicted that.

The prediction was called "Olympus E1".

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 4:39 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I've used the bulb and wire tester on alkalines. Actually,
that's about only time and place I use it. Why would you say
less effective?

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<sligoNoSPAMjoe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Somewhat less effective with alkaline batteries.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 5:27 pm
From: Robert Coe

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:19:31 -0700 (PDT), aniramca@gmail.com wrote:
: The Meteotek team consisting of Spanish high school students managed
: to take photos of the earth from high altitude balloon using a Nikon
: Coolpix camera. Anyone knows which model that they used? The story and
: photos are located here
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1162659/Students-tie-56-camera-balloon-send-edge-space-capture-stunning-images-Earth.html
: or
: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/03/meteotek_highaltitude_balloon_proje.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
:
: Will this bring further never-ending feud between supporters of P&S
: and SLR camera enthusiasts, and perhaps also between Nikon and Canon
: brand?

Who are you? Rich Anderson's understudy?

Bob

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