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TOPIC: CS4 is shutting down computer
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7a6155d19d66587b?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 7 2009 9:54 pm
From: Wade_Zimmerman@adobeforums.com

Neil you will not get anywhere with a user who really wants to believe they can never be at fault. You can tell this of Howard as he did not ask for help. He simply made what he thinks is a sound observation. He is wrong about this as he is looking at the problems he is having from a very different perspective then you are seeing it.

Try and help and see what I mean.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 1:56 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

Wade has hit the nail on the head.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 7:43 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

Wade and Ramón,

Guys, yep, it's a drive-by, shoot-from-the-hip complaint. Nothing constructive generally comes from them.

But, in the remote possibility of offering some enlightenment, I posted.

Neil

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 7:47 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

Wade and Ramón,

Guys, yep, it's a drive-by, shoot-from-the-hip, generic complaint. Nothing constructive generally comes from them. And Howard's still stuck with the bullet in his foot.

But, in the remote possibility of offering some enlightenment, I posted.

Neil

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TOPIC: I hate it when they change all the keyboard shortcuts. Is there a fix
for these?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/1a7f699bd888d020?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 12:10 am
From: "Nini Tjäder"

Which leaves everybody not using an English keyboard layout without that shortcut as tildes need yet another key on our keyboards.... any shortcuts with tildes in are lost cases for us.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 5:40 am
From: "Phos±four dots"

I STILL say there is a need for an ergonomically designed hardware peripheral which would be dedicated to nothing but one handed access to shortcuts.

I designed one out of frustration several years ago, but have no way to prototype it. Have a look and you'll see what my ideas are all about (yes it's rough and amateurish, but the seed idea is pretty solid)

I'd be willing to spend upwards of US$250 for something like this.

There are some fairly well-known peripherals that address the issue, but are either geared toward gamers, or just don't go far enough to put maximum control under the hand of power users.

Logitech's NuLooq was kind of a good idea, except that I personally don't like the onscreen menus popping up and disappearing.

There's a company that makes peripherals along the lines of my design...
<http://www.piengineering.com/xkeys.php>
...but they need a cadre of dedicated users to consult with to come up with a new device that will serve the needs of users in graphics, audio and video production.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 6:00 am
From: "Phos±four dots"

Heh...found the ad-copy I wrote for AccessPad Pro:You're a power-user. The applications you work with do your bidding like YoYo Ma's Cello, like Perleman's violin, like Bill Evans' piano.

You've customized the way your applications open—all the Tools and Palettes show up right where you like them. You may even have a few custom workspace arrangements for different purposes. You switch between them with a mouse click, and you're ready to go.

You've made brilliant use of Actions, Macros, Scripts and other built-in time- and effort-saving functions.

You know hundreds of keyboard shortcuts, and have spent time reassigning the defaults to more deftly meet your needs. You've assigned F-key shortcuts to some of those functions that don't even have shortcuts.

You're a power-user, but you've run up against a couple things that put a brick wall in front of your ever-increasing efficiency.

First—your keyboard is designed for typing actual text. It's been that way since the dawn of the first mechanical typewriters. The way the keys are arranged are meant to make it easy for your fingers to find the keys. Even if you use the arguably better Dvorak arrangement for key assignments. Even if you have one of those split-and-angled "ergonomic keyboards, they're still designed to do one thing well: Let the user type text as efficiently as possible.

Your keyboard—whatever the species—was never meant to be an efficient, ergonomic way to access the shortcuts you depend on. For your current keyboard—nay, ANY keyboard—to perform optimally as a shortcut access device, you'd do well to have a third hand, or a freakishly long set of fingers that could bend 360 degrees in any direction.

Second—Your keyboard only allows a finite number of shortcuts. If you find yourself wishing and begging for just one more F-key, so you wouldn't have to get rid of some of your old shortcuts just to add a newly discovered "must-have", you're out of luck. It's about impossible to find one that has any more than 16 F-keys. Even if you could find a keyboard with more user-assignable keys, there's still the matter of the first problem, that is: How to reach them easily and quickly?

Forget all of those hassles, starting now.

The AccessPad Pro, by Phosergistics, is a computer peripheral designed from the ground up to allow you—the kings and queens of all power users—to have access to a virtually unlimited number of shortcuts. It sits on your desk, opposite the hand you use for operating your mouse. You rest your hand on it, in a comfortable relaxed manner. Notice where your thumb naturally falls. Right there, under your thumb, you find that there are buttons that replicated the Command & Option keys found on your keyboard. They can be pressed and activated independently or in tandem.

Under the heel of your hand is a somewhat larger button. Press down slightly, and you'll enable the same behavior as the Shift key on your keyboard.

Using your thumb and the heel of your hand you can enable 6 combinations of modifiers.

Now, look at your fingers. Beneath where they naturally rest on the AccessPad Pro you'll see six gracefully curved rows of buttons, 4 in each row. These buttons are arranged ergonomically, so the slightest curl of your finger can find and press any of the 24 buttons.

Let's do some simple math: 6 combinations of modifier keys, multiplied by 24 easily reachable, user-assignable function buttons...The AccessPad Pro gives you comfortable access to a whopping 144 shortcut assignments, all without moving your hand.

But that's not all. 144 shortcuts isn't enough for you? No problem. You can have a virtually unlimited number of these 144 shortcut sets, user assignable to work system-wide, or on a per-application basis, and you can load any set, any time you want. And because these custom shortcut assignments are written to a preset file using the industry standard XML scripting language, you can save these sets as tiny text files which you can share and trade with users on either the Mac or Windows platform.

You're a power-user. Forget about trying to grow a 3rd hand. Forget about wishing you hand foot-long fingers.

Use your mouse for moving your cursor.

Use your keyboard for typing text.

Use AccessPad Pro to speed up everything else you do on your computer. Try it for a week and you'll wonder how you ever worked without it.

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TOPIC: Photoshop CS Crashes Upon Launch
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7278df7a21350cff?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 12:48 am
From: Buko

Disable your Twain.plugin put a tilde in front of the name

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TOPIC: iMac runs slowly in Photoshop
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/78f84c21f1212ce5?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 1:07 am
From: Allen_Wicks@adobeforums.com

I have absolutely nothing nice to say about HP.

Concur.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 7:55 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

Ramón and Allen.

Your mileage will vary.

No doubt. But my overall experience with about two dozen HP black-and-white laser printers over 15-16 years, both network and single user, Mac and Win, have been very positive. (OK, on one occasion, an HP-authorized repair guy totally messed up a standard, routine scheduled maintenance job. But HP simply gave us a brand new, later model printer.)

On the other hand, I've only bought Epson and Canon hardware for color printing and flatbed scanning.

Neil

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 7:57 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

Ramón and Allen.

Your mileage will vary.

No doubt. But my overall experience with about two dozen HP black-and-white laser printers over 15-16 years, both network and single user, Mac and Win, have been very positive. (OK, on one occasion, an HP-authorized repair guy totally messed up some routine scheduled maintenance job. He couldn't even put the thing back together without the case bulging. But HP simply gave us a brand new, later model printer as a replacement.)

On the other hand, I've only bought Epson and Canon hardware for color printing and flatbed scanning.

Neil

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 8:29 am
From: Allen_Wicks@adobeforums.com

I have had no particular problems with HP laser printers used on the Win side, just issues with HP computers and displays and useless tech support (nice folks but clueless).

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 9:07 am
From: Buko

It was during the reign of Carly Fiorina that HP went down the toilet.

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TOPIC: Powertone Replacement for OS X
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/03bfcc3adc2c5eff?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 4:06 am
From: BinaryFX

levonk, as discussed in that archived topic on "extended duotones", two common options would be to either run the plug in Classic mode on an OS X PPC with an old Classic version of Photoshop, or to run MS Win. on an Intel Mac (virtual or Bootcamp). The support for MS Win is more up to date than for the Mac which stopped at OS9.

I don't know of another similar plug-in by another party, for any platform.

I do have some ideas on how to do a similar thing in Photoshop using stock features, however this will very much depend on the nature of the original image and the two ink colours being used. In a quick test to prove the concept with a single image, I came close to the demo of the output of the 1.5 version (which I found on an install disk for Photoshop 5.5, back then Powertone was from Intense software, not Creo). My guess is that for most images it would not be as easy to come up with a close match to Powertone.

levonk (or Molly D), the forum would need a sample image and the two ink colours to play with in order to see what is possible using stock Photoshop tools.

TIP: various channels, colour modes, ChOps (blending) and curve moves will come into play, as well as multichannel mode and or spot colour channels.

Regards,

Stephen Marsh

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 9:10 am
From: Jay Chevako

From memory, working from a cmyk image I use the channel mixer to
isolate the image to just the black and cyan channels (my job is K and a
blue spot color). On the channels palette, delete the magenta and
yellow channels, then drag the cyan channel below the black channel.
Convert the file to greyscale then assign the cyan channel the proper
spot color.

I may have missed a few details

This is a hit and miss type of thing since I'm using cyan in the channel
mixer instead of the spot blue. I will often repeat the process a few
times to get it just right.
Jay

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TOPIC: Any way to disable the Rotate View feature in CS4?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/b4ae10fb7371dbff?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 5:08 am
From: William_Thackrey@adobeforums.com

While you folks may suggest that this is "Apple's problem", the fact is, Adobe elected to interpret a rotation gesture from Apple's trackpad as a "Rotate canvas" in Photoshop. They do the same thing with the pinch gesture. If you're not VERY careful on a newer generation Mac laptop, you end up rotating the canvas and zooming in and out wildly.

I've been using Photoshop professionally since about 1994, including literally thousands of hours on Powerbooks and MacBooks. Adobe's implementation of Apple's multitouch trackpad interface in CS4 makes this version of Photoshop nearly impossible to use.

I think, in practice, a user rarely, if ever, free-rotates the canvas in Photoshop. For the new Photoshop interface to assume that a slight re-adjustment of my fingers on the trackpad means that I want to spin the canvas around is just plain dumb. If Adobe doesn't add a way to turn this off, I'm going to have to revert to CS3.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 10:06 am
From: Buko

I believe that Apple laptop with the Trackpad gestures came out after CS4 was released.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 10:57 am
From: Conrad_Chavez@adobeforums.com

While you folks may suggest that this is "Apple's problem", the fact is,
Adobe elected to interpret a rotation gesture from Apple's trackpad as
a "Rotate canvas" in Photoshop. They do the same thing with the pinch
gesture. If you're not VERY careful on a newer generation Mac laptop,
you end up rotating the canvas and zooming in and out wildly.

Actually, Photoshop followed Apple's lead very closely. If you look at the gesture demo movies built into Leopard's Trackpad system preference, they specifically show images being rotated and scaled in Apple Preview as if that was Official Apple Best Practice. No "interpretation" by Adobe is necessary. When Apple introduced multi-touch trackpads, image rotation and scaling were demoed incessantly to show off gesture support. After all the complaints Adobe gets from Mac users about alleged anti-Mac bias, they probably looked at that and said well, that's how Apple does it, it's easy to do, let's do it Apple's way. (That's my own interpretation, not anything Adobe actually said.)

The difference with Preview is that it can only rotate in 90 degree increments, so unless you gesture past 45 degrees, the images snaps back to zero. With scaling, Photoshop also follows Preview's model: The slightest zoom gesture changes the zoom level of the image. The reason it's a problem in Photoshop is simply because nobody spends all day working in Apple Preview.

We all realize now that these gestures could use a bit more refinement, maybe a threshold of some kind that you have to overshoot before the gesture takes effect. Hopefully Apple will properly guide the way so that each developer can avoid having to fix these problems individually.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 11:36 am
From: PECourtejoie@adobeforums.com

Having to press a key to activate rotation can be useful. I had to use Ps with the trackpad, and one get very often unwanted rotations.
A lock to the rotate canvas tool's option bar would do.

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TOPIC: What #color Looks in Gamma 2.2, the Way This #color Looks in Gamma 1.8?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/f488cbb967c3a241?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 8:13 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com

I wish color calibrator makers would forget 1.8 gamma ever existed -- it just confuses folks. It's up there with printer and scanner manufacturers that mix up dpi and ppi.

Neil

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 10:26 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

I wish color calibrator makers would forget 1.8 gamma ever existed

They'd be swamped with questions, complaints and rants coming from vast numbers of clueless users clinging to an irrelevant, way obsolete practice. :/

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TOPIC: Printing too dark in CS4
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/48bd115c19dcc5b3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 8:54 am
From: DYP@adobeforums.com

I was beginning to think that Adobe and Apple were right about the printers and their drivers and compatibly with Leopard.

But after checking out LR2.3RC today I am SHOCKED. In fact I am so SHOCKED I am really at a loss for words, or maybe I should say I am so PISSED it is best to say no more.

<http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b7d1d8>

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TOPIC: Video Card for PPC MAC G5 (dual processor) that works with CS4?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/eadf8b82154466f5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 10:31 am
From: Philip_Waters@adobeforums.com

No caveats here where I downloaded it:

<http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=4051&fileID=3770>

Other? I'll be sure to review in advance, thanks.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 10:33 am
From: Ramón_G_Castañeda@adobeforums.com

The caveats are in posts in various threads.

Crashes are a very real possibility. That's why you use it at your own risk.

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TOPIC: Can Photoshop work with Voice Recognition?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/5f3c9c4dac3e5795?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 8 2009 11:34 am
From: PECourtejoie@adobeforums.com

And I don't think you're going to paint by voice anytime soon.

We will file that as a feature of the Talent Filter, then...

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