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TOPIC: Homosexuals take to the street as California voters approve gay-
marriage ban. WARNING Contains photos of extreme sexual behaviour
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1a34d0798449c87f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 5:07 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

William Sommerwerck added these comments in the current
discussion du jour ...

>>>> How is being harassed equivalent to standing behind one's
>> Well, first, your characterization of it as "hiding" is
>> nothing but your own opinion. It's not an objective fact.
>
> Anyone who doesn't use their real name is hiding. That is
> fact. I am using the word in a pejorative sense. You are not.
> But it _is_ hiding, regardless.

No, they're being wise in a world of bad guys and gals

> Why people hide is another matter. I have never been
> harrassed, so I see no reason to begin hiding.
>
> Sorry, but I refuse to use a public forum without taking
> responsibility for what I say. And the most-significant
> component of responsibility is not being afraid to reveal who
> I am.
>
Who did you back in the election? The president-elect is a far left
liberal except for things like gay rights and gay marriage, the
latter of which he opposes. I have to guffaw at the fact that the
loons are protesting violently in some mistaken view that Obama
will somehow back them. As for Obama, he definitely deserves all he
is getting from the Far Left Loons of his own party and will had a
damn tough time managing what he campaigned on with what he really
believes with the political realities of not destroying his own
presidency in his first 100 days.

BTW, there is no glory is "taking responsibility for what you say"
if that only means to post your real name. I think people can
pretty much figure out what others on Usenet do or don't stand for
and screaming "coward!" is disingenuous at best and you come across
as not much more than a poltroon.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking
real money" - Attributed to Sen. Everett Dirksen

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:47 am
From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)

Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <gf6snt$scv$1@panix2.panix.com>,
> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
>> Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I post my real address. Should you want to take the discussion offline
>> >
>> >Why in the hell would anyone want to do that? I post to Usenet for a
>> >reason: because I want to talk about things on Usenet.
>>
>> So, basically you draw a sharp line between Usenet and real life.
>
>Yep.
>
>> Many people will find this offensive. I know I do.
>
>Too bad for you, then, I guess.

No, too bad for you. Because now it's clear that I can't take anything you
say seriously, if you believe that this isn't real life and that there are
no consequences to anything. You could be making up nonsense just to annoy
people, and you probably are. Goodbye.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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TOPIC: President Elect Barck Obama Shows His True Colors At The White House
Today!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/edf87625e88ae4c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 5:11 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Rita Berkowitz added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

> Once Obama got the official tour by Bush, Obama couldn't stand
> it any more and let him have it.
>
> <http://ritaberk.cedhost.com/true_colors.htm>
>
All I see is a picture of some river, so are you talking about? As
for Obama at the White House, that is simply to laugh. We all know
the direction he would LIKE to take our country, but for now,
president-elect Barack Hussein Obama, why don't you START by
answering and publishing your own multiple page questionaire? For
examply, I am most interested in yours and your spouse's past
associations that might "be a conflict of interest or embarrasing".
Oh, you mean like Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, Father Flueger, Rev.
Jeremiah Wright, James Cone, Louis Farrakhan, and quite a few
others?

--
HP, aka Jerry

"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking
real money" - Attributed to Sen. Everett Dirksen

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:45 am
From: "Atheist Chaplain"

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message
news:Xns9B5752FED387DReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...
> Rita Berkowitz added these comments in the current discussion du
> jour ...
>
>> Once Obama got the official tour by Bush, Obama couldn't stand
>> it any more and let him have it.
>>
>> <http://ritaberk.cedhost.com/true_colors.htm>
>>
> All I see is a picture of some river, so are you talking about? As
> for Obama at the White House, that is simply to laugh. We all know
> the direction he would LIKE to take our country, but for now,
> president-elect Barack Hussein Obama, why don't you START by
> answering and publishing your own multiple page questionaire? For
> examply, I am most interested in yours and your spouse's past
> associations that might "be a conflict of interest or embarrasing".
> Oh, you mean like Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, Father Flueger, Rev.
> Jeremiah Wright, James Cone, Louis Farrakhan, and quite a few
> others?
>
> --
> HP, aka Jerry
>
> "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking
> real money" - Attributed to Sen. Everett Dirksen

you mean these promises, I see nothing overtly socialist there, do you ??
Taxes

. Give a tax break to 95% of Americans.

. Restore Clinton-era tax rates on top income earners.

. "If you make under $250,000, you will not see your taxes increase by a
single dime. Not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital
gains taxes. Nothing."

. Dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be
able to do their taxes in less than five minutes.

. Give American businesses a $3,000 tax credit for every job they create in
the U.S.

. Eliminate capital gains taxes for small business and startup companies.

. Eliminate income taxes for seniors making under $50,000.

. Expand the child and dependent care tax credit.

. Expand the earned income tax credit.

. Create a universal mortgage credit.

. Create a small business health tax credit.

. Provide a $500 "make work pay" tax credit to small businesses.

. Provide a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to families.

Energy

. Spend $15 billion a year on renewable sources of energy.

. Eliminate oil imports from the Middle East in 10 years.

. Increase fuel economy standards by 4% a year.

. Weatherize 1 million homes annually.

. Ensure that 10% of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012.

Environment

. Create 5 million green jobs.

. Implement a cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

. Get 1 million plug-in hybrids on the road by 2015.

Labor

. Sign a fair pay restoration act, which would overturn the Supreme Court's
pay discrimination ruling.

. Sign into law an employee free choice act - aka card check - to make it
easier for unions to organize.

. Make employers offer seven paid sick days per year.

. Increase the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2009.

National security

. Remove troops from Iraq by the summer of 2010.

. Cut spending on unproven missile defense systems.

. No more homeless veterans.

. Stop spending $10 billion a month in Iraq.

. Finish the fight against Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaida terrorists.

Social Security

. Work in a "bipartisan way to preserve Social Security for future
generations."

. Impose a Social Security payroll tax on incomes above $250,000.

. Match 50% of retirement savings up to $1,000 for families earning less
than $75,000.

Education

. Demand higher standards and more accountability from our teachers.

Spending

. Go through the budget, line by line, ending programs we don't need and
making the ones we do need work better and cost less.

. Slash earmarks.

Health care

. Lower health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year.

. Let the uninsured get the same kind of health insurance that members of
Congress get.

. Stop insurance companies from discriminating against those who are sick
and need care the most.

. Spend $10 billion over five years on health care information technology.

And while were throwing names around, how about convicted Watergate burglar
and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy, or Keating who was convicted on over
70 felonies, and lets not mention that McCain is the only presidential
candidate to ever be censured by his party over ethical issues.

Anyway, enough politics in a photo group, Obama won, get used to it :-)
--
God made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 7:00 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Atheist Chaplain added these comments in the current discussion
du jour ...

> you mean these promises, I see nothing overtly socialist
> there, do you ?? Taxes
>
> . Give a tax break to 95% of Americans.

You are either a fool or haven't looked at this. I won't debate
nonsense like this until/unless you explain exactly how you give
a tax break to 40% of the people who pay ZERO taxes. It isn't a
tax cut, it is called welfare.

> . Restore Clinton-era tax rates on top income earners.

Yeah, real bright. So we'll go from the top 10% paying 90% of the
taxes BACK to the same group paying only 40% under Clinton? It is
quite easy to see you don't know what in Hell you're talking
about, you just quote stump speech talking points like all the
rest of the Far Left Loons.

> . "If you make under $250,000, you will not see your taxes
> increase by a single dime. Not your income taxes, not your
> payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes. Nothing."

Simply NOT true. In fact, depending on HOW you earn your AGI
dollars, people as low as $42,000 will see a tax increase.
Source: barackobama.com if it has been redacted away by now.

> . Dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of
> Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five
> minutes.

Total horseshit. The IRS code is some 67,000 pages and I heard
NO-thing from the president-elect that answers this point.

> . Give American businesses a $3,000 tax credit for every job
> they create in the U.S.

This one is right, but where does the money come from? Oh, yeah,
from taxing the same businesses!

> . Eliminate capital gains taxes for small business and startup
> companies.

No! This is just what he SAID late in the campaign, it is NOT
what his actual tax plan, again on barackobama.com, said it would
be.

> . Eliminate income taxes for seniors making under $50,000.

Another late promise but one with no substance.

> . Expand the child and dependent care tax credit.
>
> . Expand the earned income tax credit.
>
> . Create a universal mortgage credit.

Why would you even want such a thing, even if it were possible?

> . Create a small business health tax credit.

Yeah, right after he enacts Socialized medicine worse than
Canada?

> . Provide a $500 "make work pay" tax credit to small
> businesses.
>
> . Provide a $1,000 emergency energy rebate to families.
>
> Energy
>
> . Spend $15 billion a year on renewable sources of energy.

This one deserves some attention. What he actually said was this:
invest $150B over 10 years to put one million alternative fuel
vehicles on the road. Due the math, Oh Godless Wonder - this
works out to $150,000 per car! Nobody but a Loon would propose
such a thing!

> . Eliminate oil imports from the Middle East in 10 years.

Exactly how does he propose to do this? He is against domestic
drilling, against nuclear, against expanding the electrical grid
to promote wind and solar, for Ethanol subsidies and the
frightening idea of putting the coal companies out of business!
Again, his very words, friend.

> . Increase fuel economy standards by 4% a year.

No! This is already part of the current CAFE law which takes
effect in 2012. But, exactly what the Fuck does this have to do
with saving people taxes?

> . Weatherize 1 million homes annually.

Socialism. Who will pay for that, you, me, somebody?

> . Ensure that 10% of our electricity comes from renewable
> sources by 2012.

Simply not possible to the extent that it is ludicrous!

> Environment
>
> . Create 5 million green jobs.

Tell me how and I will quickly back off. Truth is, Obama made
absolutely ZERO specific proposals, just lots of campaign
promises that you have dutifully-but-brainlessly copied into your
post.

> . Implement a cap-and-trade program to reduce greenhouse gas
> emissions.

First, do you even know what this is? And, do you have any idea
what this actually costs?

> . Get 1 million plug-in hybrids on the road by 2015.

See comments above, the average cost is $150,000 EACH!
> Labor
>
> . Sign a fair pay restoration act, which would overturn the
> Supreme Court's pay discrimination ruling.

What ruling?

> . Sign into law an employee free choice act - aka card check -
> to make it easier for unions to organize.

Yeah, another Socialist venture. What this does is guarantee the
very high wages that have made us UNcompetitive by taking away
the Bill of Rights guarantee to a private ballot. You are more
and more sounding not like an atheist loon, but the typical Far
Left Loon who has no idea on God's Green Earth what this nonsense
is even about much less how to pay for it.

> . Make employers offer seven paid sick days per year.
>
> . Increase the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2009.
>
> National security
>
> . Remove troops from Iraq by the summer of 2010.
>
> . Cut spending on unproven missile defense systems.
>
> . No more homeless veterans.
>
> . Stop spending $10 billion a month in Iraq.
>
> . Finish the fight against Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaida
> terrorists.
>
> Social Security
>
> . Work in a "bipartisan way to preserve Social Security for
> future generations."
>
> . Impose a Social Security payroll tax on incomes above
> $250,000.
>
> . Match 50% of retirement savings up to $1,000 for families
> earning less than $75,000.
>
> Education
>
> . Demand higher standards and more accountability from our
> teachers.
>
> Spending
>
> . Go through the budget, line by line, ending programs we
> don't need and making the ones we do need work better and cost
> less.
>
> . Slash earmarks.
>
> Health care
>
> . Lower health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a
> year.
>
> . Let the uninsured get the same kind of health insurance that
> members of Congress get.
>
> . Stop insurance companies from discriminating against those
> who are sick and need care the most.
>
> . Spend $10 billion over five years on health care information
> technology.
>
>
> And while were throwing names around, how about convicted
> Watergate burglar and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy, or
> Keating who was convicted on over 70 felonies, and lets not
> mention that McCain is the only presidential candidate to ever
> be censured by his party over ethical issues.
>
>
> Anyway, enough politics in a photo group, Obama won, get used
> to it :-)

I'm done talking to an idiot. Here's what I want you to do, NOW:
back up every one of these idiotic sound bites with a single
sentence articulating HOW this will be done and WHO will pay for
it. I will then be only too happy to kiss your ass.

Until then, please take a big gulp of a coffee cup known as Shut
The Fuck Up.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking
real money" - Attributed to Sen. Everett Dirksen

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TOPIC: OT still... You got me, JT.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/63eb5d15579b0077?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 5:13 am
From: JT's Keeper

In article <gflmsl$6cn$2@reader.motzarella.org>,
Mark Thomas <markt@_don't_spam_marktphoto.com> wrote:

> JT's Keeper wrote:
> > I consider Mark's post as
> > an FYI kinda thing... as in look at what I found.
> Zackly. SMS (and D-Mac) differs from your average
> ignore-them-and-they-might-go-away troll (Vern) in a number of ways, but
> there is one *very* significant aspect that resulted in my post. He
> (and Dmac) has multiple webpages and those webpages are often used to:
> - try to make a buck
> - promote alleged 'expertise'
> - portray a fantasy business
> - offer 'information' (often misleading or false)
> - insult and abuse
> - claim to be a 'victim'
> - any combination of the above
>
> In other words, it is not just trolling - it is acting in a fraudulent
> manner.
>
> > In a way Mark does
> > sort of troll... but it is in a specific sort of way, and his target
> > can't stop swallowing the hook, line, and sinker (I now wave to D-Mac).
> Aaargh, my psyche has been unveiled..! JT, get out of my head!!
>

Sorry! ;-)

> Note that I try to be helpful to anyone with genuine enquiries when I
> feel qualified (er.. or not!), and you can *easily* verify that I never
> target anyone but those who post crap - and even then I'm pretty
> selective.. (O:
>

I know that... I actually have you filtered as a poster that contributes
info to the photo groups (a "good" thing btw).

> The SMS's and Dmac's of our world are not ordinary trolls, and ordinary
> techniques don't work - just look at both their posting histories if you
> are a glutton for punishment. They keep popping up, sometimes with new
> identities, and often after long breaks to avoid embarrassment over
> gaffes and hopefully to gather a new unsuspecting audience.
>
> >>> (I raise my own hand here, I'm guilty as well), some of us spot
> >>> it more easily than others, and get a little enjoyment in watching it
> >>> squirm when caught in a LIE.
> I'm guilty of that enjoyment.
>

I know... Nothing wrong with it every now and again. This is an activity
that was given the name 'tard smacking' in another newsgroup that I used
to post to...

> > ...And more
> > importantly not get caught up in another on-going discussion (one
> > example would have been photographing Florida Panthers) with it... You
> > are the one that admitted to not being able to identify (via the message
> > header) one troll from the next, right?
> Hence my posting - what better way to inform those too lazy to look, or
> new to the group, what they are dealing with? And save them the later
> embarrassment of having to admit they too fed the troll or got sucked
> into believing someone was an 'expert'.
>

Exactly... Several of us could contribute to a monthly Troll FAQ... err
...never mind, that will just piss off the newsgroup denizens. ;-)

> > - JT
> > Be good sir, my apologies if this comes across a little harsh
> Same here. Now can we get back to more important topics, like that nice
> but blown out pic?
>

Sorry, can't help anyone on that one...

- JT
needs to go out and buy ink for his printer

--
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"The pendulum of the mind oscillates between sense and nonsense,
not between right and wrong." - Carl Jung

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TOPIC: Buying cameras at Walmart
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e04833c6e0317451?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 5:14 am
From: old.salt@cmaaccess.com

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:59:19 -0800 (PST), AlanRRT@aol.com wrote:

>I know that Walmart contracts with manufacturers to make lower quality
>products so they can sell them cheaper,

No they don't, they get them cheaper since they buy in bulk. I
have gotten 2 of my cameras there and they are still going strong.
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If you would like to buy one, e-mail me, prints up
to 30x20 inches.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 5:14 am
From: old.salt@cmaaccess.com

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:57:31 -0800, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net>
wrote:

> the "Other branded" stuff I've bought from Walmart
>had a different brand name, although it was recognizably similar to
>the real stuff.

Then you were NOT buying a brand name product. Like I said
they buy in volume very large volume, that's how they get the discount
on what they sell. Now sure some of there stuff is crap, but then
either I never heard of the company, or the company is know for making
crap stuff to begin with.
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If you would like to buy one, e-mail me, prints up
to 30x20 inches.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:17 am
From: MoronSpotter

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:30:20 -0800, old.salt@cmaaccess.com wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:57:31 -0800, Charles <ckraft@SPAMTRAP.west.net>
>wrote:
>
>> the "Other branded" stuff I've bought from Walmart
>>had a different brand name, although it was recognizably similar to
>>the real stuff.
>
> Then you were NOT buying a brand name product. Like I said
>they buy in volume very large volume, that's how they get the discount
>on what they sell. Now sure some of there stuff is crap, but then
>either I never heard of the company, or the company is know for making
>crap stuff to begin with.

Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com

Done.

LOL

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:58 am
From: old.salt@cmaaccess.com

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:17:04 -0600, MoronSpotter
<moronspotter@spotters.com> wrote:

>Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com
>
>Done.
>
>LOL

Your spam is filtered from AIOE get over it.
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If you would like to buy one, e-mail me, prints up
to 30x20 inches.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 7:04 am
From: Alan Browne

AlanRRT@aol.com wrote:

> I know that Walmart contracts with manufacturers to make lower quality
> products so they can sell them cheaper, and from outward appearances,
> the products look the same as those from other stores. Some
> manufacturers won't deal with Walmart for this reason.
> My question is does anyone know if Walmart does this with cameras,
> Pentax in particular? As I said, if there's a buck to be saved, I'm
> all for it, but not if it means I'm getting an inferior product.

I would assume a K20D at Wal*Merde is identical to one at B&H.

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TOPIC: Response to P&S reasons list
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 5:30 am
From: old.salt@cmaaccess.com

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:57:55 GMT, JT's Keeper
<justatroll@mad.scientist.com> wrote:

>WOW! Cut off from AIOE is he? Care to explain WHY *I* continue to see
>posts from him using AIOE...

I don't. All posts from him are coming from cpinternet.com

> didn't think so! Here you go Mr. Net-Cop a
>few more abuse addresses to email. I know that you are terminally
>clueless about this, but *if* you are determined to report the Name
>Changing Troll could you please do so QUIETLY.

The only clueless one is you. \
Cluemeter [E\...................F] Though so.

I was dealing with spam before you know what the Net was.

>
>abuse@cpinternet
>abuse@globalops
>abuse@usenetserver
>abuse@aioe
>
>Need more clues? Look at the header path like this (hint read it
>backwards from not-for-mail to my server, your path info will be
>different):

Oh clueless one, paths can be edited, so to be trusted.

>I'll be damned if I'm going to go find all the others for you,

No need, since all one needs to look at is the X field for
abuse, since that is added by the server, and can't be changed by the
poster.

> but WTF
>as long as YOU seem to want to contact abuse departments why not send
>one to (his Usenet provider) GIGANEWS.COM?

When it comes from there news server I would.

> Can't wait until this kind of
>public activity on YOUR part, results in the P&S Name Changer reporting
>YOU to abuse@easynews.com for your activities... food for thought as
>they say, do with this as you will.

For what fool. Teaching othes how to deal with a spammer, or
where to go to say thanks to the person who filtered him out AIOE.
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If you would like to buy one, e-mail me, prints up
to 30x20 inches.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:14 am
From: JT's Keeper

In article <a7jth41s9mmnf1ohennalvvn28imaj7j32@4ax.com>,
old.salt@cmaaccess.com wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:57:55 GMT, JT's Keeper
> <justatroll@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
>
> >WOW! Cut off from AIOE is he? Care to explain WHY *I* continue to see
> >posts from him using AIOE...
>
> I don't. All posts from him are coming from cpinternet.com
>

OK, here is one that supports YOUR position... To which I'll include a
few that prove YOU wrong! Read the NNTP-Posting-Date carefully...

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From: FredManchester <fredmanchester@manchester.net>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
Subject: Re: OT still... You got me, JT.
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> > didn't think so! Here you go Mr. Net-Cop a
> >few more abuse addresses to email. I know that you are terminally
> >clueless about this, but *if* you are determined to report the Name
> >Changing Troll could you please do so QUIETLY.
>
> The only clueless one is you. \
> Cluemeter [E\...................F] Though so.
>

What was that again!?! Eat enough crow yet? What's next, going to make
the claim that these headers are not from the P&S Name Changing Troll?

> I was dealing with spam before you know what the Net was.
>

Are you sure!?!

> >
> >abuse@cpinternet
> >abuse@globalops
> >abuse@usenetserver
> >abuse@aioe
> >
> >Need more clues? Look at the header path like this (hint read it
> >backwards from not-for-mail to my server, your path info will be
> >different):
>
> Oh clueless one, paths can be edited, so to be trusted.
>

Hint, most every line in the header can be edited... You snipped the
path info in your reply, the paths I included had not been edited... But
don't let FACT get in the way of YOUR fantasy...

>
> >I'll be damned if I'm going to go find all the others for you,
>
> No need, since all one needs to look at is the X field for
> abuse, since that is added by the server, and can't be changed by the
> poster.
>

Go back and look at the headers "Mr. I Know What I'm Talking About."
More crow, or are you sufficiently full yet? Before I forget, the 4
abuse addresses listed above are from message headers that the P&S Name
Changing Troll has made recently to the newsgroup... Again, I repeat ALL
lines in the header can be changed... even that one.

> > but WTF
> >as long as YOU seem to want to contact abuse departments why not send
> >one to (his Usenet provider) GIGANEWS.COM?
>
> When it comes from there news server I would.
>

X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.61.220.128

Spare me the "but this entry can be changed BS." And I prove YOU wrong
again...

> > Can't wait until this kind of
> >public activity on YOUR part, results in the P&S Name Changer reporting
> >YOU to abuse@easynews.com for your activities... food for thought as
> >they say, do with this as you will.
>
> For what fool. Teaching othes how to deal with a spammer, or
> where to go to say thanks to the person who filtered him out AIOE.
>

*IF* you ever manage this feat, let us ALL know... until then, I just
proved you wrong twice. Deal with it.

- JT
helping the terminally clueless for a very long time

--
See Header for Improving Usenet's Signal-To-Noise Ratio

"The pendulum of the mind oscillates between sense and nonsense,
not between right and wrong." - Carl Jung

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:53 am
From: old.salt@cmaaccess.com

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:14:39 GMT, JT's Keeper
<justatroll@mad.scientist.com> wrote:

>In article <a7jth41s9mmnf1ohennalvvn28imaj7j32@4ax.com>,
> old.salt@cmaaccess.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:57:55 GMT, JT's Keeper
>> <justatroll@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
>>
>> >WOW! Cut off from AIOE is he? Care to explain WHY *I* continue to see
>> >posts from him using AIOE...
>>
>> I don't. All posts from him are coming from cpinternet.com
>>
>
>OK, here is one that supports YOUR position... To which I'll include a
>few that prove YOU wrong! Read the NNTP-Posting-Date carefully...
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>Subject: Re: OT still... You got me, JT.
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Was NOT spam.

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Was not spam

>What was that again!?! Eat enough crow yet? What's next, going to make
>the claim that these headers are not from the P&S Name Changing Troll?
>
>> I was dealing with spam before you know what the Net was.
>>
>
>Are you sure!?!
>
>> >
>> >abuse@cpinternet
>> >abuse@globalops
>> >abuse@usenetserver
>> >abuse@aioe
>> >
>> >Need more clues? Look at the header path like this (hint read it
>> >backwards from not-for-mail to my server, your path info will be
>> >different):
>>
>> Oh clueless one, paths can be edited, so to be trusted.
>>
>
>Hint, most every line in the header can be edited...

Yes, but not the X-Fields since they are put in by the
servers.

> You snipped the
>path info in your reply, the paths I included had not been edited... But
>don't let FACT get in the way of YOUR fantasy...

No fantasy, he is no long spamming from AIOE. By cut off I
meant cut off from spamming from it. Not posting. Sorry I did not
make my self clear.

>
>>
>> >I'll be damned if I'm going to go find all the others for you,
>>
>> No need, since all one needs to look at is the X field for
>> abuse, since that is added by the server, and can't be changed by the
>> poster.
>>
>
>Go back and look at the headers "Mr. I Know What I'm Talking About."
>More crow, or are you sufficiently full yet? Before I forget, the 4
>abuse addresses listed above are from message headers that the P&S Name
>Changing Troll has made recently to the newsgroup... Again, I repeat ALL
>lines in the header can be changed... even that one.
>
>> > but WTF
>> >as long as YOU seem to want to contact abuse departments why not send
>> >one to (his Usenet provider) GIGANEWS.COM?
>>
>> When it comes from there news server I would.
>>
>
>X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.61.220.128

It's the X-Abuse field you got to use to complain. Many news
servers use giganews, but put there own name on it, and pay giganews.
So giganews is NOT responsible, it's the 3rd party news server. If
you don't believe me complain to giganews and they will correct your
clueless ass.

>
>Spare me the "but this entry can be changed BS." And I prove YOU wrong
>again...
>
>> > Can't wait until this kind of
>> >public activity on YOUR part, results in the P&S Name Changer reporting
>> >YOU to abuse@easynews.com for your activities... food for thought as
>> >they say, do with this as you will.
>>
>> For what fool. Teaching othes how to deal with a spammer, or
>> where to go to say thanks to the person who filtered him out AIOE.
>>
>
>*IF* you ever manage this feat, let us ALL know... until then, I just
>proved you wrong twice. Deal with it.

You have prove nothing.
--
I hope you like my photos at www.myspace.com/osalt
If you would like to buy one, e-mail me, prints up
to 30x20 inches.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Blow-out correction
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/335bd6c868a220ad?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:02 am
From: tony cooper

To those who are interested in this project...

Dave, in a Photoshop newsgroup, came up with an interesting solution.
http://images2.fotopic.net/?iid=yvnnxq&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1

He changed the building in the background from white to yellow. This
doesn't repair the blown-out details, but it fools the eye because the
contrast between the main subject and the background is less stark.
You don't notice the blown-out area as much.

It's an interesting solution, and one I had not thought of. It's one
of those tricks that I'll keep in mind for some future project.

I might make that yellow a little more mustardy and soft, and I don't
care for the green version, but the real value of Dave's suggestion is
that it's the type of out-of-the-box thinking that we can file away
and try on other things.

In case anyone comments that the shade of yellow makes the building
too bright, consider that it's technique - not final results - that's
the lesson. Technique can be modified by the user and final results
can change.

(Dave listed the steps he used in alt.graphics.photoshop if anyone's
interested.)

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:56 am
From: Alan Browne

tony cooper wrote:
> To the Photoshop users here....
>
> In this image: http://tonycooper.fileave.com/savannah%20020b.jpg
>
> the upper-right corner has a lot of white blown-out. The third story
> of the white building is bad, bad, bad.
>
> Using Photoshop v. 7.0....
> I've tried various ways of toning that white down, but I can't do it
> without negatively affecting the non-white parts. Selecting that
> area, and using "Replace Color", I can tone down the white, but that
> affects the leaves, branches, and street light. I can do a selection
> that omits the street light, but those leaves and branches are just
> too fine to do a selection on.
>
> I have a hunch I can do something in Lab Mode using channels, but I
> can't figure it out. Maybe something else.
>
> Any technique suggestions?

Re-shoot. Get the right side of the histogram inside the box. Even if
the shot looks underexposed in the field, you'll be able to curve it at
home. Shoot raw to maximize you possibilities.

In photoshop CS3 you can mask on color and then fill. Not sure about
'junior' versions. The effect is not that great, but better than FFFFFF
in your shot.

A couple years ago I shot some black trains in Colorado. To bring out
the details in the trains I over exposed by about 2/3 of a stop.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 7:00 am
From: Alan Browne

Re-shoot. Get the right side of the histogram inside the box. Even if
the shot looks underexposed in the field, you'll be able to curve it at
home. Shoot raw to maximize you possibilities.

In photoshop CS3 you can mask on color and then fill. Not sure about
'junior' versions. The effect is not that great, but better than FFFFFF
in your shot.

A couple years ago I shot some black trains in Colorado. To bring out
the details in the trains I over exposed by about 2/3 of a stop. This
worked fine, but in shots that included the sky the blues were killed
and the clouds plain blotches.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 7:08 am
From: tony cooper

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:56:05 -0500, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

>tony cooper wrote:
>> To the Photoshop users here....
>>
>> In this image: http://tonycooper.fileave.com/savannah%20020b.jpg
>>
>> the upper-right corner has a lot of white blown-out. The third story
>> of the white building is bad, bad, bad.
>>
>> Using Photoshop v. 7.0....
>> I've tried various ways of toning that white down, but I can't do it
>> without negatively affecting the non-white parts. Selecting that
>> area, and using "Replace Color", I can tone down the white, but that
>> affects the leaves, branches, and street light. I can do a selection
>> that omits the street light, but those leaves and branches are just
>> too fine to do a selection on.
>>
>> I have a hunch I can do something in Lab Mode using channels, but I
>> can't figure it out. Maybe something else.
>>
>> Any technique suggestions?
>
>Re-shoot. Get the right side of the histogram inside the box. Even if
>the shot looks underexposed in the field, you'll be able to curve it at
>home. Shoot raw to maximize you possibilities.

As explained in other posts, the shot was taken in Savannah, Georgia.
I live in Orlando, Florida. Mapquest says that's over a 4 hour drive,
but Mapquest doesn't factor in restroom and meal stops.

As explained in other posts, the shot was taken with a Nikon P2
because I was too lazy to walk back to the car and get my D40 out of
the trunk. P2s don't shoot raw.

>In photoshop CS3 you can mask on color and then fill. Not sure about
>'junior' versions. The effect is not that great, but better than FFFFFF
>in your shot.

As explained in other posts, I use Photoshop v 7.0 and don't own CS3.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

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TOPIC: Back up your online data. Now. (Echoes form Digital Railroad)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/9f332df61a810515?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:01 am
From: Robert Coe

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:53:01 -0800, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
: Not that pleasant an outlook:
:
: http://blogs.zdnet.com/SAAS/?p=607&tag=nl.e540

There was a case a year or two ago in a town in central Massachusetts. A
professional photographer had a little one-man shop in an old factory that had
been converted to a mall. His business was selling prints through galleries; I
don't think he did portraits, weddings, or any sort of paid event photography.
So he depended pretty much exclusively on his large stock of existing
photographs. One night the mall burned down, and the contents of his shop were
totally destroyed. As I recall, most of his work was digital, but he had no
backups of any kind. Sympathetic customers and gallery owners tried to gather
copies of his work to help him recover, but he was effectively wiped out. His
only option was to start over. I don't know whether he had insurance, but
coverage in such cases usually doesn't begin to match one's actual loss.

What's sad is that the whole thing was so totally unnecessary. Digital backups
are tedious and can be time consuming if you don't take the trouble to set up
an efficient workflow. But they're not difficult to do. And most individuals
don't need expensive off-site storage; a mile or two of physical separation
(accomplished by bringing your backup media home from work) covers 99.99% of
cases.

Nobody likes to blame the victim, and in this and the Digital RR case it's
easy to feel sorry for those who lost their pictures. But what ever were they
thinking, not to take reasonable precautions with so much at stake?

Bob

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 7:04 am
From: Don Stauffer

Frank ess wrote:
> Not that pleasant an outlook:
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/SAAS/?p=607&tag=nl.e540

The whole idea of online storage and especially online applications is
to me a negation of the idea of the personal computer.

Before I had a personal computer, I had an account on my employer's
online interface, and could check out a terminal. Of course, all I
could work on was my work stuff, for which I had an account.

The whole idea of a personal computer was that it was MINE! I could do
what I wanted with it, no big company overwatching me.

Now, we seem to be going back to the old idea of timeshare accounts,
where your computer just becomes a terminal, though a smart terminal
rather than a dumb one.

If I lose files, it is MY fault. My backup stays on a shelf. Really
important family data I burn to dvds or cds and give copies to my kids.

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TOPIC: Nikon D700x expected announcement date Dec 20
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/b661268290174a96?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:10 am
From: Alan Browne

RichA wrote:
> Nikon needs to step up more. 40 megapixels on a 45mm sensor.

Don't top post.

They need a 36x24 at 20 Mpix or more first. I don't suppose it occurs
to you that their DSLR market is Nikon lens owners?

It would be nice if they made an MF system, but it would take them a
long time to establish themselves. At least they would likely be less
costly than Hass and Leica. But v. Mamiya?

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TOPIC: Red
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/79eeb5c2feb0566f?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:13 am
From: Alan Browne

RichA wrote:
> "Eric Miller" <miller_nospam_eric@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:mo5Tk.65088$De7.37697@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> Eric Stevens wrote:
>>> More info about the new RED DSLR
>>> http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/11/thoughts-on-the-red-annoucement-from-a-red-one-user.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Stevens
>> I want the Epic 617; 261 megapixels, 16 bit AD conversion, 13+ stop
>> dynamic range and all at 25 frames per second. That should fill my hard
>> drive pretty quickly.
>>
>> Of course, according to some, it's just not possible . . .
>
> Hasselblad, Phase, Leaf, etc. I wonder who is actually fabricating that
> CCD?

The more recent Hassy's use a Kodak sensor. (Not sure who the 'fab'
is). Not sure for Leaf and Phase one. (Dalsa?).

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TOPIC: Catching The Fall Colors With The D3!!
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Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:22 am
From: Robert Coe

On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:06:15 -0600, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
wrote:
: Reminds me of a story:
:
: Barack Obama was seated next to a little girl on an airplane He
: turned to her and said, 'Let's talk. I've heard that flights go
: quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow
: passenger.'
:
: The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said
: to Obama, 'What would you like to talk about?'
:
: 'Oh, I don't know,' said the Obama. 'How about What Changes I Should Make
: To America ?' and he smiles.
:
: 'OK, ' she said. 'That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you
: a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same
: stuff - grass - Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out
: a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass.
: Why do you suppose that is?'
:
: Obama, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks
: about it and says, 'Hmmm, I have no idea.'
:
: To which the little girl replies, 'Do you really feel
: qualified to change America when you don't know shit ?

George is still sore that his man McCain not only lost but gave such a
gracious concession speech. Imagine Sen. McCain implying that the world will
continue to spin on its axis, even though the Republicans got clobbered and he
won't be President!

Bob

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TOPIC: people who have used CHDK
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/451b60dcef8ca366?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 6:45 am
From: Alan Browne

SMS wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:

>> As Pete points out, let's see some full samples that show the advantage.
>
> To show an advantage would require some sort of side by side comparison,
> with and without it. That's not going to happen.

Why not? Somebody must be enthusiastic enough about it to show the
advantages.

> I almost hate to admit I use it, since it's something that apparently
> our favorite troll has a great affection for!

That's quite irrelevant. The troll I mean.

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TOPIC: Full review available now Re: Panasonic G1 - some AF numbers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/380eee98b6f748d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 15 2008 7:18 am
From: Steve

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:20:22 +0100, Alfred Molon
<alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <72psh4d8p478ea95q2rcstqg5jopg819ai@4ax.com>, Steve says...
>>
>> I'm only going by what the reviewer said. He said there is EVF lag.
>> It can't be due to the shutter because the shutter is not actively
>> doing anything except when you take a picture and maybe when it does
>> the depth of time preview.
>
>In other words you don't know and are just guessing.

Lol,... You need a course in reading comprehension. Again, the EVF
lag can't be due to the shutter because the shutter is not actively
doing anything during except when it snaps a picture. So yes, I do
know and I'm not just guessing.

>> I'll bet there is visible lag in the EVF. It may be small with fast
>> shutter time, but it's there. It's there on every single EVF and live
>> view LCD I've ever seen and yes, it's worse with a slower shutter.
>>
>> If you actually stopped to think for a minute you'd realize there has
>> to be lag. All the things needed to read the photons off the sensor,
>> process them into an image, rescale that image for the LCD or EVF and
>> display the image on the LCD or EVF takes time. Slowing down the
>> shutter speed only makes it take more time.
>
>I have checked it and didn't see any noticeable lag at the shorter
>exposure time. There might be a very small lag which however isn't
>noticeable and has no impact for practical purposes. Don't forget that
>human reaction times are a bit longer than 10ms.

I'm sure it has no impact for your practical purposes. That's because
you don't use a P&S for the same type of photography that many people
use a DSLR for. I.e., tracking and shooting fast changing motion like
sports.

Steve

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