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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 10:10 pm
From: John McWilliams

For Europeans wrote:
> by Alan

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TOPIC: Homosexuals take to the street as California voters approve gay-
marriage ban. WARNING Contains photos of extreme sexual behaviour
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 1:17 am
From: For Europeans

On Nov 6, 9:23 pm, zzpat <zzpatr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MissBin...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >> Thousands took to the streets of Los Angeles and San Francisco on
> >> Wednesday evening to protest California's passage of Proposition 8, a
> >> ban on gay marriage.
>
> Whenever the majority thinks it has the right to take rights away from a
> minority we know we've stopped being Americans.

Were you ever an American? Speak for yourself.

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 1:19 am
From: For Europeans

On Nov 6, 10:09 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

> This is crossposted rec.audio.pro. And here on rec.audio.pro we don't
> care what anyone does in bed

Now you know why.

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 2:25 pm
From: "Rev. Diva Schematic"

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> <MissBinkyz@aol.com> wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure you're right on that one. I personally have never sat
>> up nights wondering what sexual activities ANY of the gay people I
>> know are currently engaged in.
>
> This is crossposted rec.audio.pro. And here on rec.audio.pro we don't
> care what anyone does in bed as long as they never use an SM-58 on
> stage.
> --scott
>

I think amps are a much under-used sexual aid.

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 2:24 pm
From: "Rev. Diva Schematic"

I think amps are a much under-used sexual aid.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 7:15 pm
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> I agree. I don't see why disease-carrying psychotic homosexuals, who
> engage in suicidally-risky behavior that causes rampant disease
> outbreaks want to force their psychotic death-style on to people who
> don't want it. I dont' understand why they go into elementray schools
> and indoctrinate young children into accepting what is not acceptable.
> I don't see why they think they have the right to tell other people
> what to think, or how to run their society.

I assume this is a hyperbolic joke.

If not, please get out and get to know a few gay men and women. You'll be
shocked to discover that you actually like some of them.

By the way, it's "our" society, too.

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:16 am
From: "Rev. Richard Skull"

On Nov 6, 11:35 pm, Jenn <jenncondu...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <99h7h4lsn1bis7q80mnko80tqgg21fn...@4ax.com>,
> tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:03:36 -0800 (PST), SilentOtto
> > <silento...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >On Nov 6, 4:52 pm, MissBin...@aol.com wrote:
> > >> On Nov 6, 1:46 pm, SilentOtto <silento...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > On Nov 6, 2:03 pm, testtest505...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > >> > > Gay California street party
> > >> > > Photos WARNING The report you are about to view of the 2008 "Up Your
> > >> > > Alley" Fair in San Francisco contains newsworthy images of people
> > >> > > engaged in extreme sexual behavior in public.
>
> > >> > >http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/index.php
>
> > >> > > Thousands took to the streets of Los Angeles and San Francisco on
> > >> > > Wednesday evening to protest California's passage of Proposition 8, a
> > >> > > ban on gay marriage.
>
> > >> > > Demonstrators marched through West Hollywood, Hollywood and Santa
> > >> > > Monica where several protesters stopped at busy intersections,
> > >> > > blocking traffic and prompting police intervention.
>
> > >> > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447744,00.html
>
> > >> > The only guys who care what gays are doing are other gays.
>
> > >> > The rest of us are thinking about women.
>
> > >> > Heh heh...
>
> > >> > Rightards...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> I'm pretty sure you're right on that one. I personally have never sat
> > >> up nights wondering what sexual activities ANY of the gay people I
> > >> know are currently engaged in.
>
> > >> While I don't think about "women", I think about the same thing gay
> > >> guys think about...well sort of: men. Only, after seeing some of
> > >> those photos, I definitely KNOW we are (gay men and I)thinking about
> > >> different men. ...I don't recognize ANY of those guys from my
> > >> fantasies...I'd remember that.
>
> > >> --
> > >> Miss Binky
>
> > >Well...
>
> > >I'll fess up to wondering what lesbians are up to from time to time.
>
> > It's not what they get up to, but what they go down on.
>
> Then stop thinking about it so much.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Or go rent a DVD. MAke sure you have plenty of hand lotion and kleenex

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:49 am
From: "angelgh3@gmail.com"

On Nov 7, 10:31 am, ArchdeaconMa...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Nov 6, 6:35 pm, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't see why people think they have the right to tell people how to live
> > there life's. Those gay people clearly want the right to be married and that
> > has been taken away from them by ignorant homophobes.
>
> > <testtest505...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1633568b-d603-4666-b901-39c9e314cdab@v22g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Gay California street party
> > > Photos WARNING The report you are about to view of the 2008 "Up Your
> > > Alley" Fair in San Francisco contains newsworthy images of people
> > > engaged in extreme sexual behavior in public.
>
> > >http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/index.php
>
> > > Thousands took to the streets of Los Angeles and San Francisco on
> > > Wednesday evening to protest California's passage of Proposition 8, a
> > > ban on gay marriage.
>
> > > Demonstrators marched through West Hollywood, Hollywood and Santa
> > > Monica where several protesters stopped at busy intersections,
> > > blocking traffic and prompting police intervention.
>
> > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447744,00.html
>
> I agree. I don't see why disease-carrying psychotic homosexuals, who
> engage in suicidally-risky behavior that causes rampant disease
> outbreaks want to force their psychotic death-style on to people who
> don't want it. I dont' understand why they go into elementray schools
> and indoctrinate young children into accepting what is not acceptable.
> I don't see why they think they have the right to tell other people
> what to think, or how to run their society.

my father go touch my private pade and also touch my na na i like it
is like sex.

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:14 am
From: Thanatos

In article
<4e7d186a-303a-43ea-a4cc-1b88948df341@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
SilentOtto <silentotto@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 6, 9:31 pm, ArchdeaconMa...@gmail.com wrote:

> > I agree. I don't see why disease-carrying psychotic homosexuals, who
> > engage in suicidally-risky behavior that causes rampant disease
> > outbreaks
>
> Name ONE thing gays do that heterosexuals don't do.

They have sex with members of the same gender.

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:38 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

zzpat added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> Whenever the majority thinks it has the right to take rights
> away from a minority we know we've stopped being Americans.
>
> Which group will these nuts target next?
>
> I'm ashamed of my country. We're bigger than this.
>
What "rights"? Show me where the right to dork your partner is
condoned by the people of the United States, besides which there is
a far bigger law involved here - that of God Almighty who says that
marriage is a union of one man and one woman and that the actions
of queers is an abomination. Last time I looked, religious law
trumped non-existant civil law.

One other thing, the way that states work and the federal
government works is that a majority CAN remove rights and freedoms
of minorities. The reasons and examples are so easy and so far
reaching that it is assinine to make an assertion such as yours.
Easy example: do you or do you not think that the majority of
people who want to be safe in their homes can take away the right
of a minority of people - criminals - to invade your privacy?

You Far Left Loons have simply GOT to get it through your thick
head that the majority of Americans still feel VERY strongly about
religion and family values, both of which are dangerous to the Left
Loons. e.g., president-elect Obama made a number of statements
decrying the rights of people in many states such as Pennsylvania
to vote against him claiming they "were clinging to their guns and
religion". Yep, you're right, Senator, and THAT is OUR right, my
friend!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Laid off yet? Keep buying foreign, and you soon will be!" -
increasingly seen on bumper sticker

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:40 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Zapanaz added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> zzpat hunched over a computer, typing feverishly;
> Thunder crashed, zzpat laughed madly, then wrote:
>
>>Impeach Bush
>>http://zzpat.tripod.com/cvb/
>
> this is a little moot at this point.
>
Actually, it's not. It may be very unlikely but the Democratic
leadership in both the House and the Senate led by none other than
Dennis Kuchinich plans to take their new, larger majorities for a
test spin and try to impeach President Bush before he leaves
office. And, failing at that which is likely, they intend to get
the new AG to bring him up on charges of treason, abuse of power,
and obstruction of justice. Those charges ARE likely and may even
stick.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Laid off yet? Keep buying foreign, and you soon will be!" -
increasingly seen on bumper sticker

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:46 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

FoodForThought added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:35:13 +1100, "Seon Ferguson"
> <seongf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't see why people think they have the right to tell
>>people how to live there life's. Those gay people clearly want
>>the right to be married and that has been taken away from them
>>by ignorant homophobes.
>>
>
> People who are secure in their own sexuality never feel
> threatened by the sexual-orientation of others. Simple fact,
> not opinion.

Irrelevant. Fact, not opinion. It matters not if one is or is not
secure in their own sexuality to recognize and oppose perversion
and attempt to stamp it out whenever it rears its ugly head.

> Heteros who know who they are have no qualms nor hesitations
> about hugging or even friend-kissing a gay person. Just as a
> gay person has no fears nor hesitations about hugging a hetero
> friend. They both know, without question, that the act of
> showing genuine affection does not change who they are. There
> is no reason to not show support, affection, and concern for
> the other. There will be nothing but genuine affection
> exchanged. There is no ulterior motive between those who are
> secure in their own sexual-orientations.

As Archie Bunker would say "F-A-G fruit" and no, I won't kiss a
queer or any member of the same sex.

> Every homophobe and gay-basher in existence is just a deeply
> disturbed and wholly insecure gay person. They can't look in
> the mirror so they take (what they think) is the easier way
> out, to try to rid the world of everything that reminds them
> of their own feelings, the feelings of anyone that they were
> taught to hate in life, including their own. In the wise word
> of Confucius: "When we see men of worth, we should think of
> equaling them; when we see men of contrary character, we
> should turn inwards and examine ourselves." Not only can
> gay-bashers try to appear to be not gay to all they know by
> hating and showing violence towards others, but they find it's
> the only socially acceptable way of obtaining intense/intimate
> attention from other gay people, those like themselves. How
> amazingly sad and pathetic as humans they are. Weak and
> insecure and frightened. There is nothing so dangerous in
> nature than a frightened and injured animal. In humanity that
> would be the "gay basher" (or sexually-insecure political
> leader).
>
> Aside: Note the similarity between the "gay basher" and
> leaders of the middle-east, that use their excuse for
> "camaraderie" over some religious or political issue to gain
> affection and praise from other fellow males, while abusing
> and persecuting their women and wives. As long as they can
> kill another man as an excuse to kiss and hug each other then
> its acceptable behavior. The folly of such blatantly insecure
> closet-case humans would be laughable if it weren't so sad.
> They're nothing but a whole region of the world of insecure
> closet-cases, decreed by their chosen religion, so they may
> suffer and bring their suffering upon the rest of the world in
> trying to avoid their own feelings and sexual-orientations.
> Even sadder are their idiot followers and supporters that
> don't recognize their "leader's" behavior for what it truly
> is.

if we stopped using the euphemisms "gay" and "lesbian" and stuck
with the more descriptive and easier to understand terms "queer"
and "pervert", it'd be a LOT easier for the average American to
stomp this shit out once and for all. I've heard that some 30
states allow queers to be fired just for being perverts. I'd like
to see that extended to all 50 states and territories via
Consitutional Amendment. God's Law shall not be ignored by some
nuts in Kalyfornia.

That said, queer bashing is a crime and should be prosecuted as
such - IF it results in harm to another citizen. NOte: aliens
both legal and illegal have NO rights under the Consitution so
don't bother going there. Now, it is NOT queer bashing to stop
butt fuckers and lezzies from defiling the sacrement of
matrimony, it is simple justice.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Laid off yet? Keep buying foreign, and you soon will be!" -
increasingly seen on bumper sticker

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 5:10 am
From: lawrence winters

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:46:28 -0600, "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote:

>
>As Archie Bunker would say "F-A-G fruit" and no, I won't kiss a
>queer or any member of the same sex.
>

Your overt sexual-insecurity screams loud and clear that you are a major
closet-case.

How does it feel to have outted yourself to the world?

It feels better now that everyone knows, doesn't it. I bet you've been dying to
do that all your life.

But to the whole world? You should have outted yourself to just a few close
friends first. That's how most of them do it.

My bad, you probably have done that already, and it just wasn't enough. This
must be your phase-II.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:04 am
From: Eric Stevens

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:16:18 -0700, "Roger N. Clark (change username
to rnclark)" <username@qwest.net> wrote:

--- snip ----

>Test your shutter lag in your camera at:
>http://www.shooting-digital.com/columns/schwartz/shutter_release_test/default.asp

That seems a better test of my reaction time than anything else.

--- snip ----

Eric Stevens

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:57 am
From: Hank Thomas

LOL!!! The N.Clark spamming moron is BACK spewing his ignorance and stupidity
again!!

LOL

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:16:18 -0700, "Roger N. Clark (change username to
rnclark)" <username@qwest.net> wrote:

>I was asked to comment on P&S versus DSLRs. I only read a few
>posts to see things haven't changed much here. I didn't see
>a real answer so here is one major difference between DSLRs
>and P&S cameras that does not seem to have been discussed.
>----
>
>Why do DSLR's still use mirrors? One answer is simple and due
>to the requirements of predictive autofocus and tracking of
>moving subjects. Predictive autofocus systems provide the fastest
>autofocus and fastest autofocus tracking technology currently
>available in consumer and professional cameras, both film and digital.
>
>In general, the cameras that fit in your pocket are small low-end
>cameras that have slow response times. But even if you find one with
>low shutter lag, it will not be of much help on subjects moving
>toward or away from your camera. For such a moving subject,
>the full press shutter lag is only a small part of the story
>in getting a sharp picture.

You're a bit late, moron. There have been quite a few threads where people
tested their P&S cameras and showed them to be much faster than your beloved and
wrongly worshipped LOW-END LOSER'S DSLR.

LOL

>
>Many cameras have what is called "Live View." Live view is an electronic
>method of reading the "digital" sensor and displaying the result on
>an LCD screen. The term "Live View" is a misnomer. It takes time
>to read out the sensor, and the more pixels the sensor has, the more
>time it takes. Very high speed electronics in high end cameras can
>read out at rates of around 100 million pixels per second. On a
>10-megapixel camera, that means the time to read out is about 1/10th
>second (100 milliseconds). On lower cost cameras, slower
>electronics are used, so the readout times can be longer. It also
>takes time to send that data to the LCD. On some cameras, the shutter
>speed can also influence the cycle time, adding another delay. All
>this means that "Live View" is actually delayed view. Often this
>delay is longer than 100 milliseconds, and that means when you
>press the shutter the subject is in a slightly different position
>than what you see on the LCD screen. This is another factor in fast
>action photography and why those who do such photography usually choose
>an optical viewfinder. But it is not the main factor. The main factor
>is predictive autofocus.

LOL!! He doesn't even know how to use live-view nor how it works. The only "lag"
is the EVF/LCD refresh rate, which is 60 to 120 fps or faster. The live-view is
accurately relaying the chosen shutter speed. But you're too amazingly stupid to
realize why that is of great benefit.

Rather than address all your ignorance and stupidity one by one with the respect
that a better person would deserve, it's much easier to just list here all the
FACTS that disprove everything you have ever said and believed in your sorry
excuse for a life. You're only worth canned replies.

1. P&S cameras can have more seamless zoom range than any DSLR glass in
existence. (E.g. 9mm f2.7 - 1248mm f/3.5.) There are now some excellent
wide-angle and telephoto (tel-extender) add-on lenses for many makes and models
of P&S cameras. Add either or both of these small additions to your photography
gear and, with some of the new super-zoom P&S cameras, you can far surpass any
range of focal-lengths and apertures that are available or will ever be made for
larger format cameras.

2. P&S cameras can have much wider apertures at longer focal lengths than any
DSLR glass in existence. (E.g. 549mm f/2.4 and 1248mm f/3.5) when used with
high-quality tel-extenders, which by the way, do not reduce the lens' original
aperture one bit. Only DSLRs suffer from that problem due to the manner in which
their tele-converters work. They can also have higher quality full-frame
180-degree circular fisheye and intermediate super-wide-angle views than any
DSLR and its glass in existence. Some excellent fish-eye adapters can be added
to your P&S camera which do not impart any chromatic-aberration nor
edge-softness. When used with a super-zoom P&S camera this allows you to
seamlessly go from as wide as a 9mm (or even wider) 35mm equivalent focal-length
up to the wide-angle setting of the camera's own lens.

3. P&S smaller sensor cameras can and do have wider dynamic range than larger
sensor cameras E.g. a 1/2.5" sized sensor can have a 10.3EV Dynamic Range vs. an
APS-C's typical 7.0-8.0EV Dynamic Range. One quick example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/2861257547_9a7ceaf3a1_o.jpg

4. P&S cameras are cost efficient. Due to the smaller (but excellent) sensors
used in many of them today, the lenses for these cameras are much smaller.
Smaller lenses are easier to manufacture to exacting curvatures and are more
easily corrected for aberrations than larger glass used for DSLRs. This also
allows them to perform better at all apertures rather than DSLR glass which is
only good for one aperture setting per lens. Side by side tests prove that P&S
glass can out-resolve even the best DSLR glass ever made. After all is said and
done, you will spend 1/4th to 1/50th the price that you would have to in order
to get comparable performance in a DSLR camera. When you buy a DSLR you are
investing in a body that will require expensive lenses, hand-grips, external
flash units, heavy tripods, more expensive larger filters, etc. etc. The
outrageous costs of owning a DSLR add up fast after that initial DSLR body
purchase. Camera companies count on this, all the way to their banks.

5. P&S cameras are lightweight and convenient. With just one P&S camera plus one
small wide-angle adapter and one small telephoto adapter weighing just a couple
pounds, you have the same amount of zoom range as would require over 10 to 20
pounds of DSLR body and lenses. You can carry the whole P&S kit in one roomy
pocket of a wind-breaker or jacket. The DSLR kit would require a sturdy
backpack. You also don't require a massive tripod. Large tripods are required to
stabilize the heavy and unbalanced mass of the larger DSLR and its massive
lenses. A P&S camera, being so light, can be used on some of the most
inexpensive, compact, and lightweight tripods with excellent results.

6. P&S cameras are silent. For the more common snap-shooter/photographer, you
will not be barred from using your camera at public events, stage-performances,
and ceremonies. Or when trying to capture candid shots, you won't so easily
alert all those within a block around, from the obnoxious noise that your DSLR
is making, that you are capturing anyone's images. For the more dedicated
wildlife photographer a P&S camera will not endanger your life when
photographing potentially dangerous animals by alerting them to your presence.

7. Some P&S cameras can run the revolutionary CHDK software on them, which
allows for lightning-fast motion detection (literally, lightning fast 45ms
response time, able to capture lightning strikes automatically) so that you may
capture more elusive and shy animals (in still-frame and video) where any
evidence of your presence at all might prevent their appearance. Without the
need of carrying a tethered laptop along or any other hardware into remote
areas--which only limits your range, distance, and time allotted for bringing
back that one-of-a-kind image. It also allows for unattended time-lapse
photography for days and weeks at a time, so that you may capture those unusual
or intriguing subject-studies in nature. E.g. a rare slime-mold's propagation,
that you happened to find in a mountain-ravine, 10-days hike from the nearest
laptop or other time-lapse hardware. (The wealth of astounding new features that
CHDK brings to the creative-table of photography are too extensive to begin to
list them all here. See http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK )

8. P&S cameras can have shutter speeds up to 1/40,000th of a second. See:
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CameraFeatures Allowing you to capture fast subject
motion in nature (e.g. insect and hummingbird wings) WITHOUT the need of
artificial and image destroying flash, using available light alone. Nor will
their wing shapes be unnaturally distorted from the focal-plane shutter
distortions imparted in any fast moving objects, as when photographed with all
DSLRs. (See focal-plane-shutter-distortions example-image link in #10.)

9. P&S cameras can have full-frame flash-sync up to and including shutter-speeds
of 1/40,000th of a second. E.g.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Samples:_High-Speed_Shutter_%26_Flash-Sync without
the use of any expensive and specialized focal-plane shutter flash-units that
must strobe for the full duration of the shutter's curtain to pass over the
frame. The other downside to those kinds of flash units, is that the
light-output is greatly reduced the faster the shutter speed. Any shutter speed
used that is faster than your camera's X-Sync speed is cutting off some of the
flash output. Not so when using a leaf-shutter. The full intensity of the flash
is recorded no matter the shutter speed used. Unless, as in the case of CHDK
capable cameras where the camera's shutter speed can even be faster than the
lightning-fast single burst from a flash unit. E.g. If the flash's duration is
1/10,000 of a second, and your CHDK camera's shutter is set to 1/20,000 of a
second, then it will only record half of that flash output. P&S cameras also
don't require any expensive and dedicated external flash unit. Any of them may
be used with any flash unit made by using an inexpensive slave-trigger that can
compensate for any automated pre-flash conditions. Example:
http://www.adorama.com/SZ23504.html

10. P&S cameras do not suffer from focal-plane shutter drawbacks and
limitations. Causing camera shake, moving-subject image distortions
(focal-plane-shutter distortions, e.g.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/chdk/images//4/46/Focalplane_shutter_distortions.jpg
do note the distorted tail-rotor too and its shadow on the ground, 90-degrees
from one another), last-century-slow flash-sync, obnoxiously loud slapping
mirrors and shutter curtains, shorter mechanical life, easily damaged, expensive
repair costs, etc.

11. When doing wildlife photography in remote and rugged areas and harsh
environments, or even when the amateur snap-shooter is trying to take their
vacation photos on a beach or dusty intersection on some city street, you're not
worrying about trying to change lenses in time to get that shot (fewer missed
shots), dropping one in the mud, lake, surf, or on concrete while you do, and
not worrying about ruining all the rest of your photos that day from having
gotten dust & crud on the sensor. For the adventurous photographer you're no
longer weighed down by many many extra pounds of unneeded glass, allowing you to
carry more of the important supplies, like food and water, allowing you to trek
much further than you've ever been able to travel before with your old D/SLR
bricks.

12. Smaller sensors and the larger apertures available allow for the deep DOF
required for excellent macro-photography, WITHOUT the need of any image
destroying, subject irritating, natural-look destroying flash. No DSLR on the
planet can compare in the quality of available-light macro photography that can
be accomplished with nearly any smaller-sensor P&S camera.

13. P&S cameras include video, and some even provide for CD-quality stereo audio
recordings, so that you might capture those rare events in nature where a
still-frame alone could never prove all those "scientists" wrong. E.g. recording
the paw-drumming communication patterns of eusocial-living field-mice. With your
P&S video-capable camera in your pocket you won't miss that once-in-a-lifetime
chance to record some unexpected event, like the passage of a bright meteor in
the sky in daytime, a mid-air explosion, or any other newsworthy event. Imagine
the gaping hole in our history of the Hindenberg if there were no film cameras
there at the time. The mystery of how it exploded would have never been solved.
Or the amateur 8mm film of the shooting of President Kennedy. Your video-ready
P&S camera being with you all the time might capture something that will be a
valuable part of human history one day.

14. P&S cameras have 100% viewfinder coverage that exactly matches your final
image. No important bits lost, and no chance of ruining your composition by
trying to "guess" what will show up in the final image. With the ability to
overlay live RGB-histograms, and under/over-exposure area alerts (and dozens of
other important shooting data) directly on your electronic viewfinder display
you are also not going to guess if your exposure might be right this time. Nor
do you have to remove your eye from the view of your subject to check some
external LCD histogram display, ruining your chances of getting that perfect
shot when it happens.

15. P&S cameras can and do focus in lower-light (which is common in natural
settings) than any DSLRs in existence, due to electronic viewfinders and sensors
that can be increased in gain for framing and focusing purposes as light-levels
drop. Some P&S cameras can even take images (AND videos) in total darkness by
using IR illumination alone. (See: Sony) No other multi-purpose cameras are
capable of taking still-frame and videos of nocturnal wildlife as easily nor as
well. Shooting videos and still-frames of nocturnal animals in the total-dark,
without disturbing their natural behavior by the use of flash, from 90 ft. away
with a 549mm f/2.4 lens is not only possible, it's been done, many times, by
myself. (An interesting and true story: one wildlife photographer was nearly
stomped to death by an irate moose that attacked where it saw his camera's flash
come from.)

16. Without the need to use flash in all situations, and a P&S's nearly 100%
silent operation, you are not disturbing your wildlife, neither scaring it away
nor changing their natural behavior with your existence. Nor, as previously
mentioned, drawing its defensive behavior in your direction. You are recording
nature as it is, and should be, not some artificial human-changed distortion of
reality and nature.

17. Nature photography requires that the image be captured with the greatest
degree of accuracy possible. NO focal-plane shutter in existence, with its
inherent focal-plane-shutter distortions imparted on any moving subject will
EVER capture any moving subject in nature 100% accurately. A leaf-shutter or
electronic shutter, as is found in ALL P&S cameras, will capture your moving
subject in nature with 100% accuracy. Your P&S photography will no longer lead a
biologist nor other scientist down another DSLR-distorted path of non-reality.

18. Some P&S cameras have shutter-lag times that are even shorter than all the
popular DSLRs, due to the fact that they don't have to move those agonizingly
slow and loud mirrors and shutter curtains in time before the shot is recorded.
In the hands of an experienced photographer that will always rely on prefocusing
their camera, there is no hit & miss auto-focusing that happens on all
auto-focus systems, DSLRs included. This allows you to take advantage of the
faster shutter response times of P&S cameras. Any pro worth his salt knows that
if you really want to get every shot, you don't depend on automatic anything in
any camera.

19. An electronic viewfinder, as exists in all P&S cameras, can accurately relay
the camera's shutter-speed in real-time. Giving you a 100% accurate preview of
what your final subject is going to look like when shot at 3 seconds or
1/20,000th of a second. Your soft waterfall effects, or the crisp sharp outlines
of your stopped-motion hummingbird wings will be 100% accurately depicted in
your viewfinder before you even record the shot. What you see in a P&S camera is
truly what you get. You won't have to guess in advance at what shutter speed to
use to obtain those artistic effects or those scientifically accurate nature
studies that you require or that your client requires. When testing CHDK P&S
cameras that could have shutter speeds as fast as 1/40,000th of a second, I was
amazed that I could half-depress the shutter and watch in the viewfinder as a
Dremel-Drill's 30,000 rpm rotating disk was stopped in crisp detail in real
time, without ever having taken an example shot yet. Similarly true when
lowering shutter speeds for milky-water effects when shooting rapids and falls,
instantly seeing the effect in your viewfinder. Poor DSLR-trolls will never
realize what they are missing with their anciently slow focal-plane shutters and
wholly inaccurate optical viewfinders.

20. P&S cameras can obtain the very same bokeh (out of focus foreground and
background) as any DSLR by just increasing your focal length, through use of its
own built-in super-zoom lens or attaching a high-quality telextender on the
front. Just back up from your subject more than you usually would with a DSLR.
Framing and the included background is relative to the subject at the time and
has nothing at all to do with the kind of camera and lens in use. Your f/ratio
(which determines your depth-of-field), is a computation of focal-length divided
by aperture diameter. Increase the focal-length and you make your DOF shallower.
No different than opening up the aperture to accomplish the same. The two
methods are identically related where DOF is concerned.

21. P&S cameras will have perfectly fine noise-free images at lower ISOs with
just as much resolution as any DSLR camera. Experienced Pros grew up on ISO25
and ISO64 film all their lives. They won't even care if their P&S camera can't
go above ISO400 without noise. An added bonus is that the P&S camera can have
larger apertures at longer focal-lengths than any DSLR in existence. The time
when you really need a fast lens to prevent camera-shake that gets amplified at
those focal-lengths. Even at low ISOs you can take perfectly fine hand-held
images at super-zoom settings. Whereas the DSLR, with its very small apertures
at long focal lengths require ISOs above 3200 to obtain the same results. They
need high ISOs, you don't. If you really require low-noise high ISOs, there are
some excellent models of Fuji P&S cameras that do have noise-free images up to
ISO1600 and more.

22. Don't for one minute think that the price of your camera will in any way
determine the quality of your photography. Any of the newer cameras of around
$100 or more are plenty good for nearly any talented photographer today. IF they
have talent to begin with. A REAL pro can take an award winning photograph with
a cardboard Brownie Box camera made a century ago. If you can't take excellent
photos on a P&S camera then you won't be able to get good photos on a DSLR
either. Never blame your inability to obtain a good photograph on the kind of
camera that you own. Those who claim they NEED a DSLR are only fooling
themselves and all others. These are the same people that buy a new camera every
year, each time thinking, "Oh, if I only had the right camera, a better camera,
better lenses, faster lenses, then I will be a great photographer!" Camera
company's love these people. They'll never be able to get a camera that will
make their photography better, because they never were a good photographer to
begin with. The irony is that by them thinking that they only need to throw
money at the problem, they'll never look in the mirror to see what the real
problem is. They'll NEVER become good photographers. Perhaps this is why these
self-proclaimed "pros" hate P&S cameras so much. P&S cameras instantly reveal to
them their piss-poor photography skills.

23. Have you ever had the fun of showing some of your exceptional P&S
photography to some self-proclaimed "Pro" who uses $30,000 worth of camera gear.
They are so impressed that they must know how you did it. You smile and tell
them, "Oh, I just use a $150 P&S camera." Don't you just love the look on their
face? A half-life of self-doubt, the realization of all that lost money, and a
sadness just courses through every fiber of their being. Wondering why they
can't get photographs as good after they spent all that time and money. Get good
on your P&S camera and you too can enjoy this fun experience.

24. Did we mention portability yet? I think we did, but it is worth mentioning
the importance of this a few times. A camera in your pocket that is instantly
ready to get any shot during any part of the day will get more award-winning
photographs than that DSLR gear that's sitting back at home, collecting dust,
and waiting to be loaded up into that expensive back-pack or camera bag, hoping
that you'll lug it around again some day.

25. A good P&S camera is a good theft deterrent. When traveling you are not
advertising to the world that you are carrying $20,000 around with you. That's
like having a sign on your back saying, "PLEASE MUG ME! I'M THIS STUPID AND I
DESERVE IT!" Keep a small P&S camera in your pocket and only take it out when
needed. You'll have a better chance of returning home with all your photos. And
should you accidentally lose your P&S camera you're not out $20,000. They are
inexpensive to replace.

There are many more reasons to add to this list but this should be more than
enough for even the most unaware person to realize that P&S cameras are just
better, all around. No doubt about it.

The phenomenon of everyone yelling "You NEED a DSLR!" can be summed up in just
one short phrase:

"If even 5 billion people are saying and doing a foolish thing, it remains a
foolish thing."

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 5:41 am
From: Steve

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:57:24 -0600, Hank Thomas
<hankthomas@ipt.aol.org> wrote:

>>speed can also influence the cycle time, adding another delay. All
>>this means that "Live View" is actually delayed view. Often this
>>delay is longer than 100 milliseconds, and that means when you
>>press the shutter the subject is in a slightly different position
>>than what you see on the LCD screen. This is another factor in fast
>>action photography and why those who do such photography usually choose
>>an optical viewfinder. But it is not the main factor. The main factor
>>is predictive autofocus.
>
>LOL!! He doesn't even know how to use live-view nor how it works. The only "lag"
>is the EVF/LCD refresh rate, which is 60 to 120 fps or faster. The live-view is

Thank you for revealing once again that when it comes to the real
facts about cameras, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can see the effects of live view lag on high pixel count cameras
easily, and it's much greater than the LCD refresh rate. Just point
the camera at something and then move sharply and you'll see the
movement on the LCD image is delayed from when you actually moved the
camera.

This delay is so low as to be not noticable with my old 4MP P&S. But
I just tried it in Best Buy with a whole slew of 10MP P&S and even the
live view on two DSLRs and the delay is noticable to some degree or
another.

Steve

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 5:43 am
From: "Paul"

"Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)" <username@qwest.net> wrote in
message news:4913C112.4090009@qwest.net...

> Here is a demonstration of autofocus tracking of a DSLR:
> http://www.clarkvision.com/photoinfo/tracking.action.with.autofocus

You mentioned the possibility of autofocus shifting to the background with a
busy background. On a 20D this sometimes happens to me even with a plain
sky when tracking fast moving jets (and the AF point moved off the subject
very briefly). Even more annoyingly, with a plain sky there is nothing for
the AF to focus on and so the lens just hunts and you loose the shot.
Surely cameras now-a-days should be intelligent enough to know that if you
have been tracking a subject for a few seconds, that this is the subject you
are trying to photograph and therefore shouldn't be so quick to try and
focus on something else?

You also mentioned the AF shifting to the foreground in the case where you
came between your friend and the eagle. I have also experienced this too
and is similar to the above situation. Why should AF think that you
suddenly want to shift focus to the foreground, when you have already been
tracking the subject for a few seconds?

In the last scenario, with custom functions it is possible to change the AE
button to stop/start AF when you press the button (if for example you are
panning and know that there is a subject (such as a tree) coming up between
you and what you are photographing). Of course, this takes a bit of getting
used to and is not ideal. However, I thought that CF.20 on the 1D series
allowed you to change the sensitivity of the AI Servo tracking, so that for
sports shooters where it's not uncommon for a referee/another player to run
between you and your subject (or in the case of your friend, you coming
between the bird and him), it delays shifting focus so quickly. Maybe the
'slow' sensitivity setting should be longer than 1 second before shifting
focus? Or, maybe there should be a CF that you can turn on that tells the
camera that if you are tracking a subject for more than say a couple of
seconds, that this is what you are trying to photograph and not shift focus
to something else? With scene recognition/colour pattern tracking, surely
it is possible for the camera to recognise what you are tracking? Afterall,
if you want to focus on something else, you would let go of the button and
pick up focus again.

It would be interesting to know if Nikons 3D system prevents the above 2
mentioned problems. I've just looked on Google briefly and if appears to
use colour recognition in it's 3D focus tracking system:
http://kammagamma.com/articles/nikons-new-3d-51-points-dynamic-af.php

I am also wondering if it's possible to focus and recompose with the Nikon
3D system and it will track the area that you took the initial focus from?
So for example, in a portrait you focus on an eye with the centre point,
recompose and the camera tracks where the eye is and keeps it in focus. Or
in your situation with the bird, you focus on the head with the centre point
and if you recompose whilst still tracking, it will keep focus on the head
and ignore the wings, etc.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:06 am
From: Eric Stevens

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:17:14 -0500, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

>Eric Stevens wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:46:50 -0500, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric Stevens wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Gotcha, so please don't post about P&S Teleconverters on the slr-sys
>>> group...
>>
>> Have I ever?
>
>So it would appear...
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: P&S Teleconverters
>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:32:50 +1300
>From: Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>
>Reply-To: eric.stevens@sum.co.nz
>Organization: Forensic Engineer
>Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
>
>For those tempted to believe that P&S cameras might be able to offer
>telephoto capabilities similar to a DSLR see:
>
>The Canon TC-DC58C teleconvertor on Amazon
>http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000JILHF0/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
>
> "If you want a field-of-view equivalent to a 420mm lens on 35mm film
> cameras, but not all the time, this is a good choice, assuming you
><snipped>

I admit to using the words in a sentence but I thought I was basically
writing about DSLRs.

Eric Stevens

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:40 am
From: pilot_tim

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:06:55 +1300, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:17:14 -0500, Alan Browne
><alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>>Eric Stevens wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:46:50 -0500, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric Stevens wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gotcha, so please don't post about P&S Teleconverters on the slr-sys
>>>> group...
>>>
>>> Have I ever?
>>
>>So it would appear...
>>
>>
>>-------- Original Message --------
>>Subject: P&S Teleconverters
>>Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:32:50 +1300
>>From: Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>
>>Reply-To: eric.stevens@sum.co.nz
>>Organization: Forensic Engineer
>>Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
>>
>>For those tempted to believe that P&S cameras might be able to offer
>>telephoto capabilities similar to a DSLR see:
>>
>>The Canon TC-DC58C teleconvertor on Amazon
>>http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000JILHF0/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?_encoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
>>
>> "If you want a field-of-view equivalent to a 420mm lens on 35mm film
>> cameras, but not all the time, this is a good choice, assuming you
>><snipped>
>
>I admit to using the words in a sentence but I thought I was basically
>writing about DSLRs.
>
>
>
>Eric Stevens

Yes, heaven forbid he should say anything about P&S cameras. He must not know
about any of these things that might involve the use of teleconverters:

There are many more reasons to add to this list but this should be more than
enough for even the most unaware person to realize that P&S cameras are just
better, all around. No doubt about it.

The phenomenon of everyone yelling "You NEED a DSLR!" can be summed up in just
one short phrase:

"If even 5 billion people are saying and doing a foolish thing, it remains a
foolish thing."

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TOPIC: Keeping An Open Ear Out For Obama!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 2:13 am
From: James

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:56:39 +0000, Ray Fischer wrote:

> James <nospam@forme.com> wrote:
>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>> James <nospam@forme.com> wrote:
>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>>>>> That may be true, but it is still the republicans who have pushed
>>>>> for ever more spending while adamantly refusing to pay for their
>>>>> spending. Of course, it's also republicans who have pushed policies
>>>>> that mostly benefit themselves and their wealthy allies.
>>
>>The dems have had to ability to stop the spending for the last two
>>years.
>
> Bullshit. That would require yanking funding for the war, screwing over
> thousands of US troops, and passing a budget which the republicans would
> filibuster.
>
>>> For the past several decades the biggest deficit have come from
>>> Republican administrations, usually by insisting that the US military,
>>> which already costs as much as the rest of the world's militaries
>>> combined, needs still more money.
>>>
>>>> How many poor or just average income
>>>>politicians are there? It has taken both parties to pass the bills
>>>>that increase spending no matter what they say.
>>>
>>> And it takes one president to say no.
>>
>>And none have done it.
>
> Clinton did.
>
>>>>Add all the wasted research that goes on to pander to some group that
>>>>helped get one elected and there are billions to be saved one nickle
>>>>at a time.
>>>
>>> You still do not grasp the problem. The annual deficit is
>>> $450,000,000,000. The debt is $11,000,000,000,000. That's $35,000
>>> for every man, woman, and child in the country. Just paying interest
>>> on that debt consumes one fifth of every tax dollar the federal
>>> government collects. You'd have to cut $1000 in spending for
>>> everybody in the country just to get to the break-even point.
>>>
>>OH I grasp the problem very well. What I refuse to be is a defeatist
>>Spending must be redused the country not not continue to take loans to
>>sustain its self.
>
> Reducing spending will not balance the budget.
>
>> It's all those trite and trivial things that add up.
>
> No, you can add them all up and it still will NOT balance the budget.
>
>>>>It has to be done and we are running out of time to do it.
>>>
>>> You've already been screwed. Now it's going to hurt for a while.
>>>
>>> Sorry.
>>
>>I have vasiline incase Obama does raise taxes because it's really gonna
>>hurt then.
>
> Don't blame Obama for paying the bills that republicans have run up.

You are real quick to dismiss all budget cuts no matter how much of the
money is wasted. Cuts have to be done and its gonna hurt some people at
1st but they will eventually get of thier buts and fix thier own lives.
Those who are trully unable to help themselves ( mental and physical
reasons) still recieve help.

Taxes need to be kept low since this does spur the economy araising them
slows it. Proven over and over again starting wuth JFK's tax plan and
Reagons reuse of it.

The military can't stay at war for ever and when it's over we can reduse
spending to a sustaining level rather then a combat level. It's going to
be a while thou.

So what is your plan? You dismiss every real option but offer nothing.

Jim

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 1:45 pm
From: arthur_canon@hotmail.com

Gerald <gerald@spammstopper.org> wrote:

>Yes, there seems to be a plethora of people with personal agendas with extremely
>obvious and highly misinformed biases. Often revealed when they try to get
>people to buy DSLRs. This advice often given to people that don't need them nor
>want them They use very deceptive and misleading information about a DSLR's
>so-called "superior" capabilities. We suspect that those people are just shills
>from the camera manufacturers who are here to increase their profits on their
>overpriced DSLR bodies and lenses. When in fact, in the hands of a talented
>photographer, you can achieve the very same results from a P&S camera for 1/2 to
>1/10th the price.

What a load of rubbish.

--
A. Canon.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:37 am
From: brandon carmichael

On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:45:02 +0000, arthur_canon@hotmail.com wrote:

>Gerald <gerald@spammstopper.org> wrote:
>
>>Yes, there seems to be a plethora of people with personal agendas with extremely
>>obvious and highly misinformed biases. Often revealed when they try to get
>>people to buy DSLRs. This advice often given to people that don't need them nor
>>want them They use very deceptive and misleading information about a DSLR's
>>so-called "superior" capabilities. We suspect that those people are just shills
>>from the camera manufacturers who are here to increase their profits on their
>>overpriced DSLR bodies and lenses. When in fact, in the hands of a talented
>>photographer, you can achieve the very same results from a P&S camera for 1/2 to
>>1/10th the price.
>
>What a load of rubbish.

That would only appear to be rubbish to some unskilled or untalented
photographer. You just revealed much about your own photography skills.

Here's a good primer on why your thinking is in error.

There are many more reasons to add to this list but this should be more than
enough for even the most unaware person to realize that P&S cameras are just
better, all around. No doubt about it.

The phenomenon of everyone yelling "You NEED a DSLR!" can be summed up in just
one short phrase:

"If even 5 billion people are saying and doing a foolish thing, it remains a
foolish thing."

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TOPIC: 25 Reasons to Choose a P&S Camera Instead Of an Overpriced DSLR (minor
typo corrections)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 3:04 am
From: "Pete D"

<snip>

Blah, blah, blah........

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TOPIC: Printing business cards
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 4:52 pm
From: "dwight"

"Don Stauffer" <stauffer@usfamily.net> wrote in message
news:4911e9ef$0$16050$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> I am designing a new business card using PS Elements. In the past when I
> had a design complete I imported the design into Word, because Word had
> templates for printing from business card stock.
>
> Is there an easier way, to print multiple cards right from Elements, or
> Photoshop?

I used those Avery business cards in both white and matte, never cared for
them. I now use printingforless.com.

A box of 500 4-color business cards is pretty reasonable, in my opinion.
Keep in mind that the second box, whether of the same card or a different
card, is considerably less. If you could hook up with someone else who also
wants to order a box, you could split the cost and come out ahead...

dwight

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TOPIC: Thirteen Reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 7 2008 4:42 am
From: Dave Amble

On 07 Nov 2008 05:57:59 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

>wallace albertson <walbertson@anotherisp.net> wrote:
>>On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:17:37 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>-hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> This had been a place where P&Ss' feature set had a clear advantage
>>>> over dSLRs, due to its functional utility for conducting macro work
>>>> (and a few oteher instances). With the functional diappearance from
>>>> P&Ss, so too has the reason to favor them for this application.
>>>
>>>The problem is that it's a race to the bottom in terms of P&S models
>>>these days because few people are willing to pay $400+ for a high-end,
>>>comparatively large, P&S when you can buy a far more capable D-SLR for
>>>the same money. There are still some niche products like the Canon SX10
>>>IS and the Panasonic G1 with the flip out display, but sadly Canon
>>>dropped it on the G series and on the A series. Just like Canon dropped
>>>the only sub-compact that had both an optical viewfinder and a
>>>wide-angle lens, the SD800 IS. Megapixels and LCD size is now what sells
>>>P&S models. Anyone that cares about anything else has graduated to a D-SLR.
>>
>>In case you haven't heard:
>
>Your'e too stupid to realize that you're a joke. An irrational
>zealot pushing a religion that nobody's buying.

Then you really should stop reading things like this:

There are many more reasons to add to this list but this should be more than
enough for even the most unaware person to realize that P&S cameras are just
better, all around. No doubt about it.

The phenomenon of everyone yelling "You NEED a DSLR!" can be summed up in just
one short phrase:

"If even 5 billion people are saying and doing a foolish thing, it remains a
foolish thing."

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