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TOPIC: Scenic areas in England
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== 1 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:08 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 11:31:22 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:
> I suspect that in 20
>years, it will be much like traveling from one US state to another.
what, the same restaurant and supernarket chains and beer brands? To
some extend that is happening, but only to some extend, spanish
fiestas only "work" in spain.
--
Mike
== 2 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:09 am
From: "Mike"
On Sat, 09 May 2009 07:13:09 -0700, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> grammer
that's why I never comment on it :-)
--
Mike
== 3 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:13 am
From: "Mike"
On Sat, 09 May 2009 12:56:28 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>There is also the issue of foreign travel without sampling the culture
>of other countries. There are foreign tourists who come here to
>Orlando and spend their entire holiday in Disney and the other theme
>parks. They go home knowing no more about the culture here than they
>did when they arrived.
>
>One tourist that I chatted with after he asked me for directions to
>the airport observed that the US was full of strip malls (he used some
>other term), fast food restaurants, and cheap souvenir shops. He had
>just spent 10 days in a resort hotel smack in the middle of the
>tourist corridor. What did he expect?
>
>Americans do this too, of course. They go to some foreign destination
>and trek from one "must see" tourist site to another and never see
>anything that isn't the guide book.
all of this is universal to tourists, the way to learn about a place
is to ignore the sights, drive to somewhere on the map and see what
happens when you do what you do at home, do not include driving on the
wrong side of the road in that.
--
Mike
== 4 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:15 am
From: "Mike"
On Sat, 9 May 2009 19:21:33 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>I know what you mean... We have people in the UK who go abroad to
>"Spain". Get a tour operators coach from the airport to the hotel and
>never leave the hotel/beach/pool for 14 days and each strictly English
>food. They never get to see "spain"
there used to be someone here, well travelled, who believed spain has
dinner before nine and chips are universal. Its so very easy to impose
your own view even when you do get away from the tourist areas, best
way is get to know people, that takes time and language skills.
--
Mike
== 5 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:17 am
From: "Mike"
On 09 May 2009 21:38:15 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>Soemthing which is rather rare in N. Europe.
Not really. Maybe on the western slopes of some hill in the Scottish
Highlands.
--
Mike
== 6 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:18 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 15:29:07 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>But yes, in general it is the sun, sea, sand and sex,
>though these days it is more the night clubs, drink, sex, sun and an
>hour on the beach after lunch.
sunbathing must be in its last few years?
--
Mike
== 7 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:21 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 03:12:32 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:
>The US is very large, with some states that are larger than any European
>country, and there is a lot of ethnic, and topographical variety. Even
>our climates vary from subtropical to desert, and arctic wilderness. WE
>have temperate rainforests, and desert, in the same state (Washington).
> Lots of variety, without even leaving many of the states.
but largeness makes it harder, not easier to go somewhere different,
isn't that the whole point? The US is a long way from most places but
believes its at the centre of everything.
--
Mike
== 8 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:22 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 14:07:28 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I don't see any American pretending he can experience the same things
>at home.
not in this thread?
--
Mike
== 9 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:27 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 17:35:13 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Having said that, from where I live it is a few hours drive into, or
>>over the Sierras, North into Coastal Redwoods or over to Death Valley.
>>I think of Hwy1 and Big Sur as "Local" and I never tire of it.
>>Then there is Alaska, the North West including B.C.
I think its a given the US has some great landscapes, they are of
course as far away from parts of US as Iceland or Russia is from me in
London. I can drive to the alps in a day, would I be right in assuming
there are places in the middle of the US where its quite a trek to get
anywhere interesting or some coast. Everywhere in UK the coast is in
range of a strong cyclist, I see this as an advantage although I would
visit some of the US national parks if they were not so far away.
>The Canadian
>>Rockies and Vancouver which is one of the most culturally diverse
>>cities anywhere. I have also lived in Upstate NY in Syracuse, Utica and
>>a small place in the Adirondacks on the Fulton chain of lakes, Inlet. I
>>always thought of NYC as an alien planet.
culturally diverse cities are not the point, London is like that too,
but I get no feeling of the difference that is Madrid or Paris because
of it.
--
Mike
== 10 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:29 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 19:05:58 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Disneyland Europe, or whatever it is they call it, was built so
>Europeans wouldn't need to bother coming to the US.
its much easier to not go to disney Europe than Disney US.
--
Mike
== 11 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:34 am
From: "Mike"
On Sat, 09 May 2009 08:14:44 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:
> Spanish
>>> fiesta, and mountain wilderness are all in the same country here . . .
>>
>
>And in Texas, all in the same state!
a proper spanish fiesta like tomatillo or the bull running, in Texas?
Are there are spanish people in any numbers in Texas, and I mean
Spanish, not from central/south amercia? You need the spanish attiudes
to risk to have a real spanish fiesta.
--
Mike
== 12 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:35 am
From: "Mike"
On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:34:27 +0100, "Keith Willshaw"
<keith@nospam.kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> which parts of US are in France and Spain?
>
>Parts of Louisiana are more Spanish and French than English
compared to Spain and France?
--
Mike
== 13 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 1:37 am
From: "Mike"
On Sun, 10 May 2009 08:26:54 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'm curious--is an Englishman walking down the street going
>to subject to
>being asked "papers please"?
sigh, no. You don't have to carry anything.
--
Mike
== 14 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 2:44 am
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> "Keith Willshaw" <keith@nospam.kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:GfDNl.50613$861.43600@newsfe12.ams2...
>> When I were a lad in North Yorkshire you could identify different accents
>> from villages only a few miles apart, those distinctions are largely gone.
> Interestingly, not in the North Yorkshire villages, where people can still
> tell, to an extent, where people are from.
Also still to some extent in Edinburgh. Like many old and now large
cities, Edinburgh has grown from small beginings to swallow up many
local villages, and even some small towns, which were once quite
distinct. There are still knots of very specific local accents
distinguishing one part of Edinburgh from another. For example, Sean
Connery's very distinctive accent places his origin in one very
specific and quite small area of Edinburgh. A mile or two away can be
found local accents so different you might think they came from quite
different parts of the country.
But the same modern habits of travel and relocation as are dissolving
the extended family are fast dissolving those old local distinctions,
which derive form the days when half your relatives lived within a
stone's throw.
--
Chris Malcolm
== 15 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 2:52 am
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital Mike <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 17:50:34 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
> wrote:
>>However due to Television regional accents are fading somewhat which is
>>a shame.
> I wish somebody would tell the lowland scots.
They tried hard! School teachers used to punish us for speaking "bad
English". We had to take over the Government in London, and
re-establish a parliament in Edinburgh, to finally stop that kind of
Southern English linguistic snobbery and imperialism :-)
--
Chris Malcolm
== 16 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:05 am
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital Mike <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 15:29:07 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
> wrote:
>>But yes, in general it is the sun, sea, sand and sex,
>>though these days it is more the night clubs, drink, sex, sun and an
>>hour on the beach after lunch.
> sunbathing must be in its last few years?
The avoiding of sun tans due to the dangers of skin cancer is a
confused modern fad. There are rather good reasons why animals with
tropical origins which move to less sunnier latitudes quite quickly
lose their protective dark coloured skins. While sunburn is bad for
you, a certain amount of sunlight on the bare skin is good for you and
not getting enough is bad for you. Like many things in medicine and
biology there is a happy medium between two extremes.
It's not a black and white issue.
--
Chris Malcolm
== 17 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:15 am
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:
> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:246b051d42a3u96iv9e1akou2mn6a3qbja@4ax.com:
>>
>>> My wife and I have traveled to Europe, Africa, Central America, South
>>> America, and some of the Caribbean islands. One of my wife's brothers
>>> never traveled outside of Illinois in his life. He was an
>>> intelligent, successful, interesting person. He simply had no
>>> interest in travel.
>>>
>>> There are many Europeans exactly like my wife's brother. There are
>>> other Europeans who travel extensively.
>>
>> But do those Europeans pretend that they can experience the same things
>> at home?
> The US is very large, with some states that are larger than any European
> country, and there is a lot of ethnic, and topographical variety. Even
> our climates vary from subtropical to desert, and arctic wilderness. WE
> have temperate rainforests, and desert, in the same state (Washington).
> Lots of variety, without even leaving many of the states.
The point is that where cultural variety is concerned the US is too
young and its people too mobile to have much of its own. That's why
they've had to import it from foreign countries.
--
Chris Malcolm
== 18 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:19 am
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital Mike <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 May 2009 14:07:28 -0400, tony cooper
> <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>I don't see any American pretending he can experience the same things
>>at home.
> not in this thread?
I don't think they're pretending :-)
--
Chris Malcolm
== 19 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:26 am
From: "Mike"
On 11 May 2009 09:52:29 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>We had to take over the Government in London
does seem to be the case!
--
Mike
== 20 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:28 am
From: "Mike"
On 11 May 2009 10:05:53 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>> sunbathing must be in its last few years?
>
>The avoiding of sun tans due to the dangers of skin cancer is a
>confused modern fad. There are rather good reasons why animals with
>tropical origins which move to less sunnier latitudes quite quickly
>lose their protective dark coloured skins. While sunburn is bad for
>you, a certain amount of sunlight on the bare skin is good for you and
>not getting enough is bad for you. Like many things in medicine and
>biology there is a happy medium between two extremes.
>
>It's not a black and white issue.
LOL, I got my only (non cancerous) permanent skin damage on a boat
between two Shetland Islands, so much for northern sun.
--
Mike
== 21 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:32 am
From: Nick Cramer
Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:
> > [ . . . ]
> > The US is very large, with some states that are larger than any
> > European country, and there is a lot of ethnic, and topographical
> > variety. Even our climates vary from subtropical to desert, and arctic
> > wilderness. WE have temperate rainforests, and desert, in the same
> > state (Washington).
> > Lots of variety, without even leaving many of the states.
>
> The point is that where cultural variety is concerned the US is too
> young and its people too mobile to have much of its own. That's why
> they've had to import it from foreign countries.
Mine came here from Europe between 1594 and 1900 AD.
--
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== 22 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:32 am
From: "Mike"
On 11 May 2009 10:15:14 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>> The US is very large, with some states that are larger than any European
>> country, and there is a lot of ethnic, and topographical variety. Even
>> our climates vary from subtropical to desert, and arctic wilderness. WE
>> have temperate rainforests, and desert, in the same state (Washington).
>> Lots of variety, without even leaving many of the states.
>
>The point is that where cultural variety is concerned the US is too
>young and its people too mobile to have much of its own. That's why
>they've had to import it from foreign countries.
this is all summed up by the old one, Americans think 100 years is a
long times and Europeans think 100 miles is a long way.
The US is big, I'm not convinced there's more landscape or cultural
difference in any given 500 miles than in Europe, I'm not convinced
any continent contains anything that makes it not worth visiting
others (although I don't for other reasons)
--
Mike
== 23 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:33 am
From: "Mike"
On 11 May 2009 10:19:13 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>>>I don't see any American pretending he can experience the same things
>>>at home.
>
>> not in this thread?
>
>I don't think they're pretending :-)
Ahhh, got me! :-)
--
Mike
== 24 of 24 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:34 am
From: Nick Cramer
x
--
Nick, KI6VAV. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their
families: https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/ Thank a Veteran!
Support Our Troops: http://anymarine.com/ You are not forgotten.
Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~ USMC 1365061
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TOPIC: How can I improve my shoots?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, May 11 2009 3:47 am
From: Chris Malcolm
Atheist Chaplain <abused@cia.gov> wrote:
> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:76l48jF1dmgmuU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Atheist Chaplain <abused@cia.gov> wrote:
>>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:76idu6F1cu6f8U2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Atheist Chaplain <abused@cia.gov> wrote:
>>>>> "Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:76g415F1bl9fpU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Atheist Chaplain <abused@cia.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>> hmmm "flickr" rhymes with "arse licker"
>>>>>>> the site where everybody will leave a nice comment for you, and
>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same in return.
>>>>>>> some people regard very ordinary photo's as "Remarkable" and
>>>>>>> "Gorgeous"
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> "Fantastic"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flickr as a site doesn't do that. It's the photo pools of certain
>>>>>> specific interest groups which do that. Not surprisingly some have
>>>>>> been set up to maximise the number of gorgeous comments you get to
>>>>>> every photo. Not surprisingly other groups with other purposes avoid
>>>>>> doing that. Not surprisingly some people subscribe to as many
>>>>>> congratulatory groups as they can find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that's your experience of Flickr one wonders what you're
>>>>>> doing hanging out in the kind of groups you're sneering at :-)
>>>>
>>>>> you assume too much grasshopper, I used to look at photos on flickr,
>>>>> generally randomly and sometimes by category so I could get some
>>>>> motivation
>>>>> and see just how good some people are. I soon noticed that some very
>>>>> ordinary photos were getting rave reviews, and it was becoming more
>>>>> common.
>>>>
>>>> In which case your sneering criticism was as sensible as criticising a
>>>> library because while randomly browsing the shelves you'd noticed that
>>>> most of the books were rubbish.
>>
>>> no my criticism is IMHO justified, after all you have absolutely no idea
>>> just how much of Flickr I perused, your just assuming (again)
>>> My opinion is just as justified as anyone else's, if you disagree then
>>> that
>>> is your prerogative. but then it was you that also mentioned that it does
>>> indeed happen "Flickr as a site doesn't do that. It's the photo pools of
>>> certain specific interest groups which do that. Not surprisingly some
>>> have
>>> been set up to maximise the number of gorgeous comments you get to every
>>> photo."
>>
>> Let me try to explain this very simply to you.
[snip explanation since obviously too difficult]
>> So just as it would be incorrect to categorise everyone using my
>> newsagent as a pornography fan, it would be incorrect to categorise
>> everyone who uses Flickr as an Arse Licker.
>>
>> Speaking personally not only have I improved my photographic skills a
>> lot with what I've learnt from Flickr, but I have made a number of
>> good local friends via Flickr whom I often meet in person. It's true
>> that the Arse Lickers are an annoyance, but like newsgroup trolls,
>> it's not too hard to avoid them. I found it well worth the effort of
>> doing so.
> I, like you also found Flickr to be useful in improving my meager
> photographic skills, but my point still remains (however you try justify
> yours) flickr had a cadre of arselickers, and they grow in number every day,
> that's why I left and went to Smugmug, if I post a mediocre photo, I want to
> know why it is mediocre, not have some self serving praise junkie try and
> blow smoke up my arse. At east when someone takes the time to comment in
> Smugmug I get told if its a good photo and why, I also get told if it sucks,
> and why.
> The end for me was when I posted a particularly lifeless photo as an
> experiment and was told by the praise junkies how wonderful it was, hell
> someone even mentioned that it had "Wonderful colour saturation" It didn't
> by the way.
> So defend flickr, I have no problem with that. But my experience was not
> that, and please, if your trying to compare my personal experience to yours
> with your snide little nudie magazine analogy, at least have the balls to
> try harder to look down your nose.
It's no effort I assure you. The point I was trying to explain to you
has completely gone over your head. I'm not denying the veracity of
your personal experience. I'm trying to explain to you why your
specific personal experience doesn't justify your sneering
generalisation based on rhyming "Flickr" with "Arse Licker".
> I have not encountered any of the groups where there was any such rule as
> you have to praise every (insert X number) for every shot you uploaded so I
> bow to your obvious experience there,
You clearly don't even know enough about how Flickr works to realise
that there's no need to "encounter" any such groups to experience the
fall out from them in commentary. No wonder you couldn't avoid the
arse lickers!
But a screen name like yours does suggest someone devoted to stirring
the sewage, quite apart from your general posting history.
--
Chris Malcolm
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