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TOPIC: Samsung S85 fuzzy images on LHS
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/95c43edbf8078f72?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:08 am
From: Bob Larter

Hot Stuff wrote:
> On May 19, 1:59 am, Photo Mad <DOIT...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Strange fault on my Samsung S85, just noticed it, checking back it's
>> been there since new.
>>
>> The ≈ 25% of the LHS of any image is fuzzy, ie slightly out of focus.
>> I presume it's the chip not quite mounted squarely on.
>> Put it down to using wide angle at f2.8, but it's there whatever focal
>> length or f no.
>> It's in a vertical strip, as I say, ≈ 25% of the image.
>> A bit like a varifocal spectacle lens, on it's side.
>> Samsung UK are sending me a prepaid carrier f.o.c. for return and
>> investigation, very good service there.
>> And if they don't ( or can't) see the fault, it's only £1.50 charge !!
>> If unrepairable, replacement or refund, no problem.
>> It's not really obvious on 6x4 or half A4, but really obvious on 17"
>> computer screen.
>> Compared to a recent new camera, which is fine, and shows up the fault
>> by comparison.
>> Anyone else had this fault with their digicam ?
> Examples here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/26606231@N04/3544606346/in/photostream/

I'd guess that the lens or sensor is a tad misaligned or loose. IMO,
sending it off to be repaired was the right thing to do.

PS: Why was your post double-spaced?

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:19 am
From: Hot Stuff

On May 20, 8:08 am, Bob Larter <bobbylar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hot Stuff wrote:
> > On May 19, 1:59 am, Photo Mad <DOIT...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> Strange fault on my Samsung S85, just noticed it, checking back it's
> >> been there since new.
>
> >> The ≈ 25% of the LHS of any image is fuzzy, ie slightly out of focus.
> >> I presume it's the chip not quite mounted squarely on.
> >> Put it down to using wide angle at f2.8, but it's there whatever focal
> >> length or f no.
> >> It's in a vertical strip, as I say, ≈ 25% of the image.
> >> A bit like a varifocal spectacle lens, on it's side.
> >> Samsung UK are sending me a prepaid carrier f.o.c. for return and
> >> investigation, very good service there.
> >> And if they don't ( or can't) see the fault, it's only £1.50 charge !!
> >> If unrepairable, replacement or refund, no problem.
> >> It's not really obvious on 6x4 or half A4, but really obvious on 17"
> >> computer screen.
> >> Compared to a recent new camera, which is fine, and shows up the fault
> >> by comparison.
> >> Anyone else had this fault with their digicam ?
> > Examples here:
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/26606231@N04/3544606346/in/photostream/
>
> I'd guess that the lens or sensor is a tad misaligned or loose. IMO,
> sending it off to be repaired was the right thing to do.
>
> PS: Why was your post double-spaced?
>
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Same as yours !

Space between sentences to make it easy to read.

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TOPIC: Another source condemns 3:2 format
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/058d826c39e92f11?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:15 am
From: Bob Larter

RichA wrote:
> The editorial in Amateur Photographer for May 16th.
> Maybe condemn is too strong, but it's been clear for too long that the
> 3:2 or APS-C format (and the so-called, "full frame" 35mm format) is
> too wide. The 4/3rd ratio is more logical and results in far fewer
> instances of cropping an image. What good are 12-24 megapixels if you
> have to hack away 1/4 of them most of the time?

Screw you. I happen to be very happy with the 3:2 format, & even when I
crop an image (not often), I usually retain the 3:2 ratio. 4:3 reminds
me too much of a TV screen, which I feel gives a certain mundane look.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:16 am
From: Bob Larter

David J Taylor wrote:
> RichA wrote:
>> The editorial in Amateur Photographer for May 16th.
>> Maybe condemn is too strong, but it's been clear for too long that the
>> 3:2 or APS-C format (and the so-called, "full frame" 35mm format) is
>> too wide. The 4/3rd ratio is more logical and results in far fewer
>> instances of cropping an image. What good are 12-24 megapixels if you
>> have to hack away 1/4 of them most of the time?
>
> Rich,
>
> The format needs to fit the image, so it will (in theory) be different
> for every photo taken, so you will always be cropping and loosing
> pixels. With displays now moving to 16:9 for TV, I would have said that
> 3:2 was too narrow, not too wide!
>
> A format I've never used is the 2 1/4 inch square format (or any square
> format). Resolves the age-old problem as to whether landscape or
> portrait fits best, and arguable makes the best use of the lens.

The latter is a good point, but artistically speaking, I really dislike
square format images.

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:20 am
From: Bob Larter

Alan Browne wrote:
> I agree on that. My camera also shoots 16:9 by cropping the top/bottom
> of the frame. However, the raw captured this way is still full sized
> 3:2. Only the Sony image s/w on the computer will show the in camera
> gen'd raw as 16:9. So I don't bother with this mode.

I like to have as many pixels as possible, regardless of the format.
That way, I can crop to the ratio that suits the individual image.

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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:21 am
From: Bob Larter

Rich wrote:
> On May 19, 9:50 am, phi...@ue.aioy.eu (Philip Homburg) wrote:
>> In article <541d7bfd-f880-4e0f-ac6a-2091d6b37...@s31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The editorial in Amateur Photographer for May 16th.
>>> Maybe condemn is too strong, but it's been clear for too long that the
>>> 3:2 or APS-C format (and the so-called, "full frame" 35mm format) is
>>> too wide. The 4/3rd ratio is more logical and results in far fewer
>>> instances of cropping an image. What good are 12-24 megapixels if you
>>> have to hack away 1/4 of them most of the time?
>> 4:3 is so logical that most LCD screens are now 16:9.
>>
>> 4:3 is simply too high for many wide angle landscapes. In my opinion for most
>> city-scape portraits (just a few buildings, a monument, etc.) 3:2 is also
>> better than 4:3.
>>
>> --
>> That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
>> could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
>> by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
>> -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
>
> Most posted or printed images are closer to 4:3 than 3:2. It's been
> that way for decades.

Bullshit.

> Take a look at the shape of website pages and
> magazines. They are vertical.

WTF does vertical vs horizontal orientation have to do with format ratios?

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:22 am
From: Bob Larter

mike wrote:
> In article <83fb3761-f974-4450-87ee-f7c9f6e9a532
> @g19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, rander3127@gmail.com says...
[...]
>> Most posted or printed images are closer to 4:3 than 3:2. It's been
>> that way for decades. Take a look at the shape of website pages and
>> magazines. They are vertical.
>>
> Taking a look at most magazines I noted that they are usually A4 format.
> To my surprise I found that there is almost no difference in the ratio
> between 3:2 and A4, and that between A4 and 4:3. In other words A4 fits
> almost exactly between the other two ratios. Of course, if you add a
> margin around a photo then in an A4 page the best-fit image will move
> closer to 3:2 than 4:3. Your comment that magazines are vertical is
> puzzling. You _do_ realise that if you turn a 3:2 picture on its side
> you get a 2:3 ratio image?

Probably not - Rich isn't very bright.

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TOPIC: grim news for photographers tourism and rights
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f739094ebddaa70e?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:43 am
From: Chris H

In message <qdt615d0uc62cepd87fvlusb9b3a11j3kr@4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> writes
>On Tue, 19 May 2009 19:45:49 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <hn9s05ltlsf56vuos48d8lsutoae9da0kk@4ax.com>, tony cooper
>><tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> writes
>>>
>>>The photographer wasn't arrested for taking photographs where it was
>>>illegal to do so or legal to do so and someone thought it wasn't. It
>>>wasn't *where* the photographs were taken that was the basis for the
>>>arrest. The photographer was charged with public harassment and
>>>causing alarm and distress based on the father's complaint.
>>
>>Who arrested him?
>
>I don't understand the question or why you would ask.

Then you should not be arguing in this thread.

There are police and there are police in the UK I think four main
types. They have different rules and regulations.

Having read a bit more it was not the normal civil police who did the
arrest but the BTP who have different rules and provisions compared to
the normal police.
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== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:40 am
From: Chris H

In message <hhs615ti3lo4um8g9c426s7bb0sg50539u@4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> writes
>On Tue, 19 May 2009 19:41:55 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <m85v05hi9id6cpbekg34452far1qi4huon@4ax.com>, tony cooper
>><tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> writes
>>>You won't get away with saying "There's no law against photographing
>>>some stranger's child without the permission of the parents" and
>>>expect the policeman to let you walk. He'll find an applicable law.
>>
>>and that is the problem...
>>
>You snipped out that I said "If you cause some kind of disturbance".
>Don't be involved in a disturbance, and the policeman won't have to
>find an applicable law.

Not been to the UK recently have you? The Police and PCSO's are getting
VERY stupid over photographers.

>We all want the police to do whatever is necessary to protect what we
>think are our rights.

No we don't. We want the police to protect our freedoms.

> The photographers want to be able to take
>photographs without being harassed or worse.

And at the moment they are being harassed. Several UK photography
magazines are now running regular "know your rights" columns because it
has got so bad.

> Parents want to be able
>to feel their children are safe and not exposed to dangers. The poor
>damn policeman is right in the middle.

No they are not. The majority of harassment of photographers comes from
the police and various poster campaigns designed to ramp up fear and
paranoia

>In this case, I think the father felt that there was something
>inappropriate about the photographers actions

Why? From the accounts we have seen the father was just trying to cause
a problem.

>and policeman did what
>he had to do when a complaint was lodged. It was the boys at the
>station house that behaved badly.

So some policemen are ok and others not?

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== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 12:59 am
From: Ron Hunter

nospam wrote:
> In article <Xns9C10AC2E4CBB1ReplyScoreID@216.196.97.131>, HEMI-Powered
> <none@none.gn> wrote:
>
>>>> How much do you need to know about the law to understand that if
>>>> you show suspicious interest in someone else's small child, and
>>>> the parent catches you, that there will be some law involved?
>>> There isn't a law for that in a public place.
>> Oh, I wouldn't be too sure about that. In the US, I'm certain that
>> ordinary assault charges could be filed as could child molestation or
>> other nasty state or even federal offenses, including but not limited
>> to violating the civil rights of the parent(s) or child(ren). Once a
>> photographer crosses over into violating someone else's rights,
>> freedoms, and protections of not only the law, but the Bill of
>> Rights, then their right to do as they damn well please is severely
>> limited.
>
> nonsense. taking a photo in a public place is legal and does not
> violate anyone's civil rights. it's also absurd to call it molestation
> or assault.
It depends on what you take a picture of, and how. Shoving your camera
under some girl's skirt, and snapping off a burst would probably result
in arrest, just about anywhere. Withe the current hysteria about child
molesters, it is pretty dangerous for a single man to even visit a
public park where children are playing, and just sit and watch them
play. Add a camera to that, and you can count on a visit from the local
law enforcement.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:18 am
From: nospam

In article <kZCdnfUW-t_SJY7XnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ron Hunter
<rphunter@charter.net> wrote:

> > nonsense. taking a photo in a public place is legal and does not
> > violate anyone's civil rights. it's also absurd to call it molestation
> > or assault.
> It depends on what you take a picture of, and how. Shoving your camera
> under some girl's skirt, and snapping off a burst would probably result
> in arrest, just about anywhere.

obviously. nobody is advocating upskirt photos.

anything in plain public view where there's no expectation of privacy
and where photography is not prohibited is fair game. period. if you
don't want to be photographed, stay home.

> Withe the current hysteria about child
> molesters, it is pretty dangerous for a single man to even visit a
> public park where children are playing, and just sit and watch them
> play. Add a camera to that, and you can count on a visit from the local
> law enforcement.

and that is the whole problem. sitting in a park is *legal*.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:48 am
From: Chris H

In message <200520090118412735%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes
>In article <kZCdnfUW-t_SJY7XnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ron Hunter
><rphunter@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> > nonsense. taking a photo in a public place is legal and does not
>> > violate anyone's civil rights. it's also absurd to call it molestation
>> > or assault.
>> It depends on what you take a picture of, and how. Shoving your camera
>> under some girl's skirt, and snapping off a burst would probably result
>> in arrest, just about anywhere.
>
>obviously. nobody is advocating upskirt photos.
>
>anything in plain public view where there's no expectation of privacy
>and where photography is not prohibited is fair game. period. if you
>don't want to be photographed, stay home.
>
>> Withe the current hysteria about child
>> molesters, it is pretty dangerous for a single man to even visit a
>> public park where children are playing, and just sit and watch them
>> play. Add a camera to that, and you can count on a visit from the local
>> law enforcement.
>
>and that is the whole problem. sitting in a park is *legal*.

However as most "public" parks are owned there is a possibility that
there is a no photography rule.

However the world is getting far too paranoid.

I would only worry if it was a Catholic Priest in the playground. See
the report focusing out of Ireland. Yet another "horrific" report of
systematic child abuse by the RC church. The worlds children have far
more to fear from the RC church than photographers.

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== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 2:12 am
From: nospam

In article <qPf8lSG5P8EKFAn9@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, Chris H
<chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:

> However as most "public" parks are owned there is a possibility that
> there is a no photography rule.

if so, it needs to be posted.

> However the world is getting far too paranoid.

yep.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 2:18 am
From: Chris Malcolm

Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote:
> tony cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 20:20:29 +0100, "nigel" <nigel@NOThereoday.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=856968
>>>
>>> As far as this article and the international press goes it does'nt seem to
>>> appear that he did anything wrong.
>>>
>> The father of the child thought so and lodged a complaint. The police
>> would have been obligated to follow-up on a complaint. It's not the
>> policeman's job to tell the parents that they have no right to be
>> concerned.
>>
>> As a photographer, you might know the images were erased from the
>> camera. A non-photographer might not understand that the images were
>> actually erased.
>>
>> I don't see that the photographer did anything wrong, but he was
>> intrusive. I don't think the parents were wrong to be alarmed.

> Being "intrusive" shouldn't be grounds for an arrest.

A recent court case in Edinburgh involved a photographer who took
photographs of a drunk woman being ill in the street. Her friends
detained the photographer and called the police. The judge ruled that
the photographer had been guilty of being annoyingly intrusive.

--
Chris Malcolm

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 2:41 am
From: "nigel"

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote> Doesn't make any
difference if the argument is a load of crap or not.
> It's what the parent *thinks* that counts. If the parent thinks
> something inappropriate has been done, the parent will react.

Might it be in the childs best interest to remove them from the parents in
these circumstances? Or at least investigate the fantasies of these
parents, they do afterall show an enhealthy level of parania assocoated
with paeophiliac fantasies.
>
> Your argument is a load of crap, too. If the photographer in question
> posts his G-rated photo on a G-rated website as an example of his
> street photography, and with the best of intentions, he's making it
> available to the pervs you mention.
>
> As a parent, don't you feel you should have some say-so about whether
> or not your kid's picture is on some unknown-to-you photographer's
> website? You think anyone should be able to snap your kid's picture
> and post it on that person's gallery without your approval?

Don't you have 6 cctv cameras per inhabitant in the US? Here in the UK
there are cctv cameras in school toilets. Approval?? Don't see that coming
into it.

>
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 2:41 am
From: Chris H

In message <77i06nF1hnv6tU1@mid.individual.net>, Chris Malcolm
<cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> writes
>Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> tony cooper wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 20:20:29 +0100, "nigel" <nigel@NOThereoday.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=856968
>>>>
>>>> As far as this article and the international press goes it does'nt seem to
>>>> appear that he did anything wrong.
>>>>
>>> The father of the child thought so and lodged a complaint. The police
>>> would have been obligated to follow-up on a complaint. It's not the
>>> policeman's job to tell the parents that they have no right to be
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> As a photographer, you might know the images were erased from the
>>> camera. A non-photographer might not understand that the images were
>>> actually erased.
>>>
>>> I don't see that the photographer did anything wrong, but he was
>>> intrusive. I don't think the parents were wrong to be alarmed.
>
>> Being "intrusive" shouldn't be grounds for an arrest.
>
>A recent court case in Edinburgh involved a photographer who took
>photographs of a drunk woman being ill in the street. Her friends
>detained the photographer and called the police. The judge ruled that
>the photographer had been guilty of being annoyingly intrusive.

Yet the person who was drunk in public and vomiting is not a public
nuisance?

Actually the woman probably broke far more laws than the photographer
could.

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== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 2:39 am
From: Chris H

In message <200520090212135419%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes
>In article <qPf8lSG5P8EKFAn9@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>, Chris H
><chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>
>> However as most "public" parks are owned there is a possibility that
>> there is a no photography rule.
>
>if so, it needs to be posted.

As with railway tickets in VERY small print "terms and conditions apply
see park/station master"

>> However the world is getting far too paranoid.
>
>yep.

People need to relax about it. There is far to much PC and people
demanding petty and stupid rights like you can't photograph my child in
the street and worry a more about the freedoms we are loosing... like
you can't take pictures on the street.

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== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 3:54 am
From: "Fred"

"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
news:kZCdnfUW-t_SJY7XnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> With the current hysteria about child molesters, it is pretty dangerous
> for a single man to even visit a public park where children are playing,
> and just sit and watch them play. Add a camera to that, and you can count
> on a visit from the local law enforcement.
>
>
It's got so stupid in the UK, that a father can feel guilty walking down the
street alone with his own daughter!!

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TOPIC: Ford, The Survivor
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:07 am
From: Ron Hunter

"mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Have some guts. Learn the baseline facts (STUDY the US entitlements for
>> the next 30-50 years and their prospects for funding) and no matter what
>> you think now, the truth is the US cannot fund much of it without
>> profound change - far less military spending (Eisenhower was absolutely
>> right), far less farm support and an increase in taxes.
>>
>
> Indeed the Democrats have got us in a very big mess. Zero doubt.
>
> Military spending is not a problem. The problem ... the ONLY
> problem .. with spending is entitlements.
>
> There are three keys to solving the problem:
>
> 1) no new entitlements, that is, zero of them. For example,
> no government finding of more welfare-oriented medical care
> (i.e. no medical care for people who do not pay taxes for it)
>
> 2) cutting present entitlements. That means cutting medicaid,
> which is an unearned entitlement, dramatically, and even
> cutting the earned entitlements (Social Security and Medicaid)
> by small amounts (probably by raising the eligibility age gradually)
>
> 3) the big one ... increase prosperity and hence per capita GDP
> and tax intake (that is, increase GDP faster than the amount needed to
> fund entitlements). This last one is where the Democrats are very, very weak ...
> they espouse policies that actually are intended to decrease prosperity and GDP.
> For example ... intentionally stopping domestic energy independence
> by refusing to allow additional fossil fuel extraction, refusing to solve the
> problems of nuclear power by refusing to open the nuclear waste repository,
> believing in the Tooth Fairy idea of wind power. They (they Democrats) also
> refuse to allow shifting high-wage jobs from low value things like car manufacturing
> to higher value ones like nuclear power plant construction.
>
> Doug McDonald

wind power is hardly a Tooth Fairy idea. Texas gets about 11% of its
power from wind, and the percentage is due to increase when sufficient
distribution capability is installed. In those places where it is
feasible, it is a great thing.

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TOPIC: Canon A590 - quality a disappointment - lemon, or typical?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:13 am
From: bugbear

Ray Shafranski wrote:

>
> The photos look ok for a cheap compact, which is what the a590 & a630 are.

I'm trying to compare them against each other, not some Platonic ideal.

BugBear

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TOPIC: P&S'ers, your day has come
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:15 am
From: bugbear

Rich wrote:
> Where you can (if you want) dispense with the tiny-sensored things you
> shoot with. I assembled a used DSLR set-up as cheaply as I could.
> DSLR- 6 megapixel $127.00. D70 body, no battery, no charger.
> 1990s AF 35mm 70-300mm zoom $25.00.
> modern 18-55mm kit lens $60.00.
> battery and charger: $30.00.
>
> So, for $242.00 a camera that despite its age will still beat a
> pathetic P&S when it comes to image quality and a set-up that has a
> sufficiently long zoom range that will satisfy most people's needs.
> That's the price of a new middle-road P&S.
>
>

What's the total weight?

BugBear

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 1:39 am
From: Paul Heslop

Paul Bartram wrote:
>
> "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@final.front.ear> wrote
>
> > Do we know the name or title of this statue or the name of the
> > sculpture/artist whatever.
>
> When this thread started I did a Google and Google News search for Beaufort
> SC, and visited the Beaufort Library website (which appears to be way out of
> date) and there is no mention of this statue or the exhibition it is part
> of. Nothing on the Manzi site the photo comes from gives any clues, or
> confirms exactly when the shot was taken - it might be years old for all we
> know. Bowser, can you shed any light?
>
it looks awfully like a piece of public art which has been around for
a while, a part of the town, so to speak.

on trying to discover the artist etc I found this page, sure to raise
some smutty comments ho ho but the theme seems to be quite common
http://www.bronze-depot.com/catalog/category.asp?catid=3

--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)
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Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 3:22 am
From: "Kurt Sloane"

Ah, Cardiff, City of Culture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/3055945632/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/2880091916/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/2065913541/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/86142813/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/290702374/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maciejdakowicz/762244345/

Although the media across the world have picked up on these photos, the
crazy thing is that this is quite a "normal" sight in most major towns and
cities in the UK on a Friday and Saturday night.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 20 2009 3:43 am
From: "David J Taylor"

Kurt Sloane wrote:
> Ah, Cardiff, City of Culture:

It's where Dr. Who and Torchwood are made, so it /must/ be! <G>

David

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