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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 11:45 am
From: "J. Clarke"

Savageduck wrote:
> On 2009-05-13 10:14:27 -0700, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> said:
>
>>
>>> among other
>>>> things the addition of "One Nation under God" to the pledge of
>>>> allegiance.
>>
>> hang on, I just took that in, so does that make the Christian god
>> part of the state? I thought the US separated church and state like
>> France? (oddly UK has an established church but Blair was probably
>> the only recent leader to make any references to religion, although
>> Thatch did quote St Francis famously.)
>
> ...and therein lies the problem for those of us who object to the
> inclusion of that phrase.
>
> I also find having to pledge allegiance publicly, to prove you are
> "patriotic" objectionable.
>
> Just as I find the politically de rigueur "God bless America."
> objectionable. Why would god if he/she/it existed care about America
> at all?

Whether He cares or not where's the harm in asking Him to? I doubt that He
cares when anyone sneezes either but it's nonetheless polite to say the
words.

== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 12:15 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-05-13 11:45:06 -0700, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> said:

> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2009-05-13 10:14:27 -0700, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> said:
>>
>>>
>>>> among other
>>>>> things the addition of "One Nation under God" to the pledge of
>>>>> allegiance.
>>>
>>> hang on, I just took that in, so does that make the Christian god
>>> part of the state? I thought the US separated church and state like
>>> France? (oddly UK has an established church but Blair was probably
>>> the only recent leader to make any references to religion, although
>>> Thatch did quote St Francis famously.)
>>
>> ...and therein lies the problem for those of us who object to the
>> inclusion of that phrase.
>>
>> I also find having to pledge allegiance publicly, to prove you are
>> "patriotic" objectionable.
>>
>> Just as I find the politically de rigueur "God bless America."
>> objectionable. Why would god if he/she/it existed care about America
>> at all?
>
> Whether He cares or not where's the harm in asking Him to? I doubt that He
> cares when anyone sneezes either but it's nonetheless polite to say the
> words.

What does being polite have to do with the implication of endorsement
by some deity?

If you are trying to be polite say, "Thank you for enduring my
interuption of your life to bolster my political ends (this applies to
all parties.) Good night."
--
Regards,
Savageduck

== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 12:52 pm
From: "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu

Mike wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 08:44:24 -0500, "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH
> ME"@scs.uiuc.edu wrote:
>
>>> You are welcome to create your own language where you say "chair" to
>>> what other people call table. But then you shouldn't be surprised when
>>> people consider you rather wierd if you tell then, you are eating from
>>> your "chair".
>>>
>>
>> How else would I express it? I eat from my chair.
>
> I really hope you are willfully misunderstanding.

Perhaps I misstated. I eat from my plate. The plate sits
on the chair.

Doug McDonald

== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:18 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On 13 May 2009 00:50:40 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>> I haven't noticed Brits bringing anything new to the medical treatment
>>> payment discussion other than their general defensiviseness about their own
>>> system.
>> I learned long ago never to discuss health care in American dominated
>> newsgroups.
>
> a fact, along with gun control (which didn't thankfully get into the
> nonsense about "only people are dangerous, guns are not dangerous"
> which is an attempt by the gun lobby to redefine language and logic)
> that proves there is a lot for Americans to find different by leaving
> their culture, however much the shape of mailboxes varies from state
> to state.

Well, if you believe guns are dangerous, what about hammers, baseball
bats, knives, razor blades, and CARS? Why not ban them too?
Point me to ONE case where a gun jumped out of a locked drawer, or case,
and shot someone. Just one, please.

Guns are TOOLS. How they are used is the crux of the matter. A rancher
in the US west, or rural anywhere, will often use a handgun, or rifle
for shooting game, or pests that predate on his livestock, or to protect
himself against predators. People in the city use them to protect
themselves and their property from those who would deprive them of same.
Somehow I fail to understand the logic that impels people to want to
take away a protection from the innocent, and tools from those who need
them, and give power to the criminals.

== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:22 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Chris H wrote:
> In message <bg2l0518e8vmkbamubk2me463pc3v8c5eb@4ax.com>, Mike
> <rubbish@live.com> writes
>> On Wed, 13 May 2009 09:21:09 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> If Italy were to fall into a dictatorship under barleycorn it would be
>>>> because he owns the press and manipulates the judiciary, not because
>>>> ordinary citizens don't have pop guns in their lofts.
>>> I agree BUT usually the first sign of a democracy going bad is the
>>> removal of any means of the people being able to stop the process.
>> I'm beginning to wonder if its the concentration of power in a far
>> away place where the MEPs don't hold the power and we cannot dismiss
>> those with the real power and who are not directly elected. The first
>> sign is not when they take our guns,
>
> It is the second sign. They have already taken the guns.
>
>> its when they only accept yes
>> answers in referenda. :-(
>
> :-)
>
A recent Dallas election required a 'yes' vote to PREVENT the city
government from building a hotel with public funds. Guess why it was
phrased that way, and by whom.

== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:25 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:12:32 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Really? I can think of several easier ways to kill myself, or others.
>> Poison or prescription drug overdose, for instance. Guns are SO messy,
>> make a lot of noise, and tend to send bullets places you didn't intend
>> them to go.
>> It's really pretty easy to kill someone with a butcher knife, of course
>> you have to get close to them.
>
> poison is difficult to apply in street crime, knives are up close
> only. Why do you think armies choose guns over those things?

Partly because of the long distance, and, believe it or not, partly
because of the noise. I read a story once about the 'perfect' weapon.
It didn't make any noise, or any light, it just caused the target to
disappear. The weakness was that using it on non-intelligent beings
resulted in the defenders being overrun because there was nothing to
tell the predators that they were losing their fellows.
Now, it is true that muzzle flashes, and loud noises aren't an advantage
in some conditions, but I think you will agree that it is the NOISE of a
shotgun that causes the watermelon thief to run like hell.

== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:28 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:18:18 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In a practical sense, a country practices socialism when it takes money
>>from someone via taxes, and gives it to someone else who didn't earn it.
>> Under than definition, both the US, and UK are socialist countries.
>
> its a false definition only found in the US. Redistributive taxation
> is a way of producing a fairer society. If you think the rich always
> deserve to keep all their money have a look at banking.
>
> socialism
> a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates
> that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be
> owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
>

That is communism.

> In Marxism a transitional social state between the overthrow of
> capitalism and the realization of Communism.
>
> Communism
> a theory or system of social organization in which all property is
> vested in the community and each person contributes and receives
> according to their ability and needs.
>
So is that.

> People outside of the US know all this.

It is not necessary that the people as a whole (ie., the government) own
anything for it to be socialism, only that they take from those who
earn, and redistribute to those who don't.

== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:29 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital Mike <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 May 2009 09:22:40 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>> wrote:
>
>>>> People outside of the US know all this.
>>> Its because they don't travel out side the US.....
>>> (here we go again :-)
>
>> you could probably learn all that plus what anarchism is in an all
>> nighter in a Madrid bar, trouble is next day you cannot remember.
>
> You could learn it anywhere in the world by reading a book, and in
> most places in the developed world by googling. That some Americans
> don't know it is as weird as some South Africans thinking garlic cures
> AIDS.
>
Maybe it would, if you ate enough of it. At least it would slow the
spread... Grin.

== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:36 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 08:25:46 -0400, tony cooper
> <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> You've been coy about this, so I'll ask: Have you ever actually been
>> to the United States? Have you actually done any world traveling
>> yourself? I think you mention that you've been to two other
>> countries. That, in the US, is like an American having been in two
>> different states or maybe crossing across into Toronto from Detroit.
>
> I mentioned I *regularly* go to two others countries, I also said I
> haven't been to the US. (We don't like long flights and frankly its
> not a priority). I've been to loads of countries but I only travel
> regularly in the three.
>
> As you seem to be trying a willy waving contest, I take its that
> because you can't find anything wrong with what I have said.
>
>> These theories you have about the benefit of world travel...have you
>> ever actually put them into practice? You sound like an armchair
>> traveler.
>
> Why? Because my view of travel isn't yours?
> I go to Spain and Italy three or four times a year, other places
> exceptionally. As I explained I believe in intensive travel, you learn
> more that way. You get to see more than the superficial which you seem
> to think is the limit.
>
>> A pub conversation with a European isn't going to explain the true
>> nature of socialism.
>
> you would very quickly learn the false definition used here was way
> off beam, there's got to be a reason so many Americans have a clueless
> idea of what socialism is, its going to be something related to being
> in America.....
>
>> The central concept of socialism - government
>> control of resources and production - wouldn't come up. The
>> conversation is more likely to center around "Who pays the medical
>> bills?" or "How many vacation/holiday days do you get?"
>
> they might well be starting points.

Mike your definition of socialism is tailored to make is seem that the
UK isn't socialist, which by any rational measure, it certainly IS. But
then SO IS THE US.

== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:40 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:00:51 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Only last week, just a few miles from here a 17 year old got mad at a
>> guy over a girl, and went over, and bashed down his front door, then
>> approached the guy with a baseball bat. Bang, he's dead. No charges
>> filed against the shooter.
>> THAT'S why we guard that right.
>
> and how often does the home owners gun get taken from him and used
> against him and how often does the criminal come ready to shoot first
> because the home owner has a gun, US gun ownership does not stop an
> historically high murder rate. But I've had this debate before with US
> gun nuts and logic always seems beyond them.
And you really believe that if all law-abiding citizens turned in their
guns the criminals wouldn't use theirs? And you talk about logic?

== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:44 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-05-13 14:25:58 -0700, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> said:

> Mike wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:12:32 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Really? I can think of several easier ways to kill myself, or others.
>>> Poison or prescription drug overdose, for instance. Guns are SO messy,
>>> make a lot of noise, and tend to send bullets places you didn't intend
>>> them to go.
>>> It's really pretty easy to kill someone with a butcher knife, of course
>>> you have to get close to them.
>>
>> poison is difficult to apply in street crime, knives are up close
>> only. Why do you think armies choose guns over those things?
>
> Partly because of the long distance, and, believe it or not, partly
> because of the noise. I read a story once about the 'perfect' weapon.
> It didn't make any noise, or any light, it just caused the target to
> disappear. The weakness was that using it on non-intelligent beings
> resulted in the defenders being overrun because there was nothing to
> tell the predators that they were losing their fellows.
> Now, it is true that muzzle flashes, and loud noises aren't an
> advantage in some conditions, but I think you will agree that it is the
> NOISE of a shotgun that causes the watermelon thief to run like hell.

The sound of a pump shotgun being racked is one of the most effective
ways getting, and commanding attention in an awkward situation. That
alone can be all that is needed to prevent an escalation of violence.
--
Regards,
Savageduck

== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:45 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 16:47:32 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not confused, I'm asking a question about an American using a
>>> words that's much more common here.
>> The thing is that 'Americans' come from so many diverse places, and
>> often bring their expressions, and vocabulary with them. When Americans
>> hear a word they like, they may embrace it with glee, and use it often.
>> It is how the American version of English evolves.
>
> ROFL, that's how *English* evolved for gods sake, only Americans think
> they are specially diverse or did something special with English while
> everything in this thread proves in many areas there is an American
> non diverse view of the world.
How does that relate to changes to the language? So, if a new word
comes up UK people ignore it, right? You KNOW better than that.
English is a mixture of several languages, with many words taken
directly from French, and German, and many others adapted from the
ancient Anglo and Saxon words. Most modern speakers don't even
understand the Canterbury Tales in the original version. So, please
don't try to tell me that UK English doesn't change, and PLEASE don't
even think that the US usage doesn't affect the language as used world-wide.

== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:47 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Savageduck wrote:
> On 2009-05-13 02:16:12 -0700, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> said:
>> That's an urban legend. There is no such place. (And there couldn't
>> be, since no English-speaking settlement in North America dates from
>> the 16th century).
>
> Oh well! In that case I have probably been urban legendd! :-)
>
I believe the oldest US English speaking settlement was 1620, and that
is 17th century.

== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:49 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 16:50:15 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> there's no way they have to be rude unless approached with arrogance.
>> I leave my arrogance at home with I travel outside my local area. If I
>> wanted 'sameness', I could stay at home. Neither will I talk about the
>> US president, Congress, or Judicial branch outside the country. It's
>> downright rude, as well as presenting a view of the US which may give
>> false impressions.
>
> a discussion about the world does not have to be a lecture about the
> US constitution. True, there is a stereotype of the American tourist
> complaining "we don't do it that way back home" but there's no need to
> be like that.

On that, we certainly agree.

== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:49 pm
From: Ron Hunter

Mike wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:43:13 -0400, tony cooper
> <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>> a discussion about the world does not have to be a lecture about the
>>> US constitution. True, there is a stereotype of the American tourist
>>> complaining "we don't do it that way back home" but there's no need to
>>> be like that.
>> Nor is there a need to lecture us, but you seem to want to make a meal
>> out of it.
>
> I really don't see why discussing politics has to be "rude"?

Depends on where, and when it takes place.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 12:19 pm
From: Al Bar

Hari Seldon wrote:
> "Al Bar" <usenet@oaktowncrack.com> schreef in bericht
> news:1tqdnT6Ke70yZpTXnZ2dnUVZ_jFi4p2d@giganews.com...
>> George Kerby wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/12/09 1:33 PM, in article
>>> Qt6dnYE145WUXJTXnZ2dnUVZ_jNi4p2d@giganews.com, "Al Bar"
>>> <usenet@oaktowncrack.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amanda's Dad died of AIDS, and to celebrate his birthday she raised
>>>> money for AIDS Walk NY with a spanking party:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mesolimbo/sets/72157617957563539/
>>> Looks like they are carrying on the tradition that caused the man's
>>> demise.
>>>
>>> R.I.P.
>>>
>> Spanking and unprotected sex are two different things ;)
>
> What about unprotected spanking
>
>

That will probably get you a rash =)

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 12:45 pm
From: Alan Browne

SneakyP wrote:

> It would be a neat trick if each pixel array were able to tell the
> polarization of each photon that hit them. Walla - no attachment.

Hmm, a few issues:

I suspect that polarization of a photon might be affected in attempting
to measure its polarization.

Even if the above is false, each photo sensor collects a number of
photons. Each photon will have its own polarization (random). As such,
filtering for up/down v. left/right polarization would probably result
in loss. Reporting on each photosensor's number of photons in one
orientation or the other would result in very large files (at least
double the size).

OTOH, if it were possible, then with a single image capture one could
generate output images with unlimited application of polarization angle.

My bet: won't happen soon.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:08 pm
From: "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu

Alan Browne wrote:
> SneakyP wrote:
>
>> It would be a neat trick if each pixel array were able to tell the
>> polarization of each photon that hit them. Walla - no attachment.
>
> Hmm, a few issues:
>
> I suspect that polarization of a photon might be affected in attempting
> to measure its polarization.
>

That is correct.

But it is possible to measure the polarization of a photon. HOWEVER,
you have to decide in advance what the direction of the axis
you are measuring against is. That is, for light traveling horizontally,
you can tell vertical versus horizontal polarization, but if the
light is in fact polarized at exactly 45 degrees to the vertical,
the photons will randomly appear as up-down and left-right ... in equal
numbers. If you set the polarizer at 45 degrees, and the light was vertical,
you'd get 50% in the up-right/left-down channel and 50% in the up-left/downright
channel.

I should add that it is easy to measure each pixel as described above without
losing any light: you just us a polarizing prism that splits the
light into two polarized beams. These exist that transmit 99.9%, total.
This is in fact very common ... I've built them.

Doug McDonald

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:21 pm
From: Annika1980

On May 13, 2:19 pm, Bowser <o...@the.rainbow> wrote:

> > Really? Which entries would you consider Puns?
>
>
> Walking the plank, holding the bag, assualt and battery, etc.
>

Those aren't puns, they're expressions.
A pun would be "walking the prank" or "holding the bug."

I'll give you "A salt and battery."

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:48 pm
From: "Calvin Sambrook"

>"Annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:67def0ac-ae25->47a2-81f3-c60f132bff58@r34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>On May 13, 2:19 pm, Bowser <o...@the.rainbow> wrote:
>
>> > Really? Which entries would you consider Puns?
>>
>>
>> Walking the plank, holding the bag, assualt and battery, etc.
>>
>
>Those aren't puns, they're expressions.
>A pun would be "walking the prank" or "holding the bug."
>
>I'll give you "A salt and battery."

Hmm... I think you've got a far too narrow definition of a pun there. To
quote that well known source of all knowledge, the wiki, "A pun, or
paronomasia, is a form of word play that deliberately exploits ambiguity
between similar-sounding words for humorous or rhetorical effect. Such
ambiguity may arise from the intentional misuse of homophonical,
homographical, homonymic, polysemic, metonymic, or metaphorical language.".
Essentially that allows for pretty much any and all overloading of a word.

Your narrow definition restricts puns to homophonical overloading, ie. you
only call it a pun if one word sounds like another but the puns listed above
rely on homographical overloading, ie. two different concepts/meanings
represented in language by the same written word.

In the case of, for instance, Walking the Plank the word "walking" carries
two quite different meanings, firstly to "take for a walk" and secondly to
"walk along the length of". Hence the image is of someone doing the first
but (hopefully) portrayed in a manner which makes the viewer realise the
second meaning without it actually being portrayed.

Anyway, lighten up, it's all about creating and sharing high quality images.
Some people managed that rather well I thought.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:28 pm
From: Alfred Molon

In article <76upqcF1corjrU44@mid.individual.net>, ray says...

> I use ufraw. It's free and it's 'current'.

ufraw has a horrible user interface. The programmers should be jailed.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:30 pm
From: Alfred Molon

In article <PiuOl.28207$OO7.27411@text.news.virginmedia.com>, David J
Taylor says...
> Alfred Molon wrote:
> > In article <BcjOl.27985$OO7.5904@text.news.virginmedia.com>, David J
> > Taylor says...
> >
> >> On a "good" day I can shoot well more than the 250 shots of the
> >> Kodak, perhaps 500-600 if I'm at a race. I would /have/ to charge
> >> and take a spare battery, probably two. This agrees with my
> >> experience when using EVF cameras.
> >
> > Maybe you, but the overwhelming majority of people do not shoot
> > hundreds of photos per day.
>
> So different people have different requirements, meaning that blanket
> statements such as "Battery life is no problem with LCD/EVF cameras" are
> inaccurate, in that they may, or may not, apply to you.

For the overwhelming majority of people (and I am repeating myself here)
who do not shoot hundreds of photos per day, battery life is a non-
issue.
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TOPIC: Photos of Scripta
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:38 pm
From: "Miguel"

"Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <noone@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:guet13$jma$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
>
> ? "Miguel" <responderalgrupo@invalid.invalid> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:76up5tF1f6ogmU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Hello, recently I did these photos:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3527043780/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3527043786/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3527043790/
>>
>> Your comments about photography always are interesting.
>>
>> --
> I liked very much your closeups, are you sure its Scripta? I think they
> have two orange dots at their "cheeks" (aka side of the head). I had a
> pair of them in a miniature pool in my room, I called them Pipis and Lili,
> they even laid eggs (so probably had sex, too). Very cute.

Yes, It is one of its variants, after I'll post another photos with other
characteristics.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 13 2009 1:49 pm
From: Boring

just started a site www.zap-building.com. it's about houses! please
take a look if you like to see what houses allaround the globe look
like!

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TOPIC: The Ultimate Photo-Bag
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/d379eb3ce3f36aff?hl=en
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Date: Wed, May 13 2009 2:38 pm
From: Savageduck

I was in town this morning and saw what one of our local "Pro"
photographers had parked outside his store in Paso Robles.

This is definitely what I would call the ultimate photo bag - no
excuses for leaving anything behind!

http://homepage.mac.com/lco/Sites/JD-Devco1/index.html
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Regards,
Savageduck

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