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Today's topics:
* life after Windows.... - 16 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/02823f38853c8136?hl=en
* Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right - 3 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/256feefad4f3ad75?hl=en
* How can I take photos of GOD??? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/ed77e47905febf46?hl=en
* Nikon D90 defective Matrix metering - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/c9335bfe34017e91?hl=en
* Olympus SLR boss says 12 MP is enough - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/7694b9e85e8630b7?hl=en
* Latest long zoom P&S terrible results - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/00cb3f5368698dcd?hl=en
* Going Fishing With The Neglected D3!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/df79660c250fdb16?hl=en
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TOPIC: life after Windows....
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/02823f38853c8136?hl=en
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== 1 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 2:46 pm
From: isw
In article <1ixclzb.1ne5d7v1hn2mhyN%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk>,
d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:
> William Black <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1ixclke.144vbl01xuxxn5N%d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk...
> >
> > > As I said, it's a small college. Full-time academic staff choose their
> > > own computers, and most choose PCs because that's what they use- but a
> > > few do have macs- in addition, the recording studios, composition
> > > studios and marketing departments use macs.
> >
> > That's normal in academia.
> >
> > They don't have to make money and their IT support people tend to be very
> > highly qualified.
>
> Our IT department doesn't support Macs. Too few users to warrant the
> specialist staff. They call in external support if necessary, but I
> don't know how often that happens. I wouldn't expect to need to call on
> it. (Any communication with IT has been network related.)
Around 1996 I went to work for a small company that used Macs
exclusively -- about 75 of them, in all departments. All those computers
were very successfully supported by one part-time IT person.
The company got a new CEO who was computer-illiterate, except that he
"knew" that Macs were "toy computers" not capable of "real" work. The
decree came down to replace *all* the Macs with PCs running Windows.
Within a year the half-time IT person had been replaced by a full-time
IT department of three techs and a director, all overworked, just to
keep those PCs up and (sort of) going.
Isaac
== 2 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 2:53 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ray Fischer writes:
>
>> And no Mac applications.
>
>Most people have no Mac applications,
So what?
>> So what?
>
>So if all they want to run is Windows applications,
But they don't.
Get a clue. Not everybody is as simple and uninformed as you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
== 3 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 2:55 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:
>nospam writes:
>
>> that's fine, although i suspect you've never actually looked. and
>> don't speak for others who may want the option.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by "actually looking." I fully know what I want
>without any deep introspection.
LOL!
Yes, I can well believe that introspection, deep or otherwise, is not
one of your strengths.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
== 4 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 2:54 pm
From: isw
In article <4cvus45l7tu65p0puntsc8cfvb72gsp2d6@4ax.com>,
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray Fischer writes:
>
> > A lot of people DO care.
>
> Most do not. And the majority rules.
>
> That's why you see more generic sedans on the road than Ferraris or Stanley
> Steamers.
The majority doesn't "rule" anything in this sense; if it's anything at
all, it's the lowest common denominator. As for myself, I don't *want*
to blindly follow the majority. I want to have the knowledge, judgement
and sophistication to go to better-than-chain restaurants, drive a
better-than-average automobile, and use a superior computer.
Isaac
== 5 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 2:56 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ray Fischer writes:
>
>> Which version of Windows?
>
>Any version.
Wrong answer. You cannot run XP and Vista at the same time without
virtualization.
> Current versions of Windows can still run software written for
>older versions of Windows.
With some exceptions.
> Even MS-DOS programs can still be run, if they are
>properly written.
Which means that many cannot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
== 6 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:27 pm
From: Franklin
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:12:18 GMT, Peter Seiler wrote in
alt.comp.freeware news:739q0pFu5o2jU1@mid.individual.net:
> Allen - 28.03.2009 18:04 :
>
>> If you were having a private conversatio, use email, not this ng.
>
> I recommended the same to him some days ago. He answered "this is
> usenet". Oh what an arguement :-( So he understand nothing about
> usenet and seems absolutely unlearnable.
>
> Especially his endless (over 700! postings only last month!!!))
> extreme OT and private correspondences (often only talking about
> cats, for example) with his correspondent Roger Hunt have nothing
> to do for what the construction of usenet/a/this NG has been
> established. So would absolutely much better via email.
>
> He (and some others) confuse usenet/Ngs with forums or chatrooms
> :-( He/they primarely jump in in OT discussions producing private
> wars.
>
Peter, you (and maybe other posters too) seem to have the same sort
of difficulties with Chris Millbank as many of us in
alt.comp.freeware have.
Chris posts as "Aracari" in uk.politics.misc and as "Hummingbird" in
alt.comp.freeware.
You're right about his inflexibility and also his prodigous rate of
posting. I'm sure you will have experienced his unnecessary deceit
and lies. Also you may have enncountered some of his many
sockpuppets. He's quite a troublemaker.
Drop by ACF sometime, especially if Aracari is giving you trouble.
We're used to dealing with him.
F
== 7 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:34 pm
From: Mxsmanic
nospam writes:
> most?
>
> where are you getting your numbers? making it up?
I'm just looking at the number of people who run Windows. They are about 84%
of the Web-surfing population, for example.
> perhaps, but not all users.
Why is it so difficult to understand the word "most"?
== 8 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:37 pm
From: erilar
In article <4novs4do2tk3dhqeksd8nomuefnhrshq34@4ax.com>,
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ray Fischer writes:
>
> > Which version of Windows?
>
> Any version. Current versions of Windows can still run software written for
> older versions of Windows. Even MS-DOS programs can still be run, if they are
> properly written.
That's not what I've heard.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
== 9 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:37 pm
From: Mxsmanic
nospam writes:
> but without investigating what's available on other platforms, you
> can't be assured that a windows only title is the best choice.
I don't necessarily care. I just need to get the job done; I don't need to
win a contest.
Most other people are the same way. Do people spend weeks looking for the
ideal microwave oven, or do they just buy whatever they can find at a
reasonable price? For most people, computers are no more important than
toasters.
> oh, i've heard a lot of bitching about windows from people who would
> never touch a mac. vista in particular.
Many people don't care for computers in general, and see them as only a
necessary evil.
> and it's the same on the mac, except for a few obscure vertical market
> cases which affect very few people. in other words, most purposes have
> a mac solution.
Nope. Many software products have extremely limited markets. In order to
make the most of development resources, they are developed for Windows,
because that allows the greatest number of potential users to be reached with
the least amount of development.
> but one would have to look to find out which ones do and which ones
> don't.
One can take for granted that something will run on Windows, so nothing needs
to be looked at for Windows users.
== 10 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:39 pm
From: Mxsmanic
Ray Fischer writes:
> Wrong answer. You cannot run XP and Vista at the same time without
> virtualization.
Why would you want to run XP and Vista at the same time?
> With some exceptions.
If they are well written, they will run.
> Which means that many cannot.
Quite a few MS-DOS applications didn't follow the rules, and thus would not
run on later platforms. Developers are better about this nowadays, but there
are still occasional exceptions.
Which Mac applications from the 1980s will run on modern-day Macs as-is?
== 11 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:39 pm
From: Mxsmanic
isw writes:
> You keep claiming that, but when pressed for specifics, you just dance
> around the issue.
>
> NAME THOSE THINGS.
No.
== 12 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:40 pm
From: Mxsmanic
isw writes:
> The majority doesn't "rule" anything in this sense; if it's anything at
> all, it's the lowest common denominator.
It's where the money is, and so any company that wants to make money caters to
the majority.
> As for myself, I don't *want* to blindly follow the majority.
What you want changes nothing.
> I want to have the knowledge, judgement
> and sophistication to go to better-than-chain restaurants, drive a
> better-than-average automobile, and use a superior computer.
See above.
== 13 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:44 pm
From: Franklin
On 29 Mar 2009 19:41:26, Ari® wrote in alt.comp.freeware:
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:12:18 +0200, Peter Seiler wrote:
>> Allen - 28.03.2009 18:04 :
>>
>>> If you were having a private conversatio, use email, not
>>> this ng.
>>
>> I recommended the same to him some days ago.
>
> And you were roundly ignored then as you deservedly are now.
Ari, isn't that a bit harsh to say to a gentleman like Peter who's
contending with Chris Millbank's troublemaking?
Seems to me what happens is .... Chris causes trouble in ACF as
"Hummingbird"; gets a pasting from public spirited posters there;
Chris goes straight over to UPM and makes 20 or 30 garbage posts
there as "Aracari".
Poor UPM. We get rid of our garbage but it appears in UPM. In the
spirit of supportive good neighbors, we should go help sufferers in
UPM get rid of their growing heap of garbage postings.
--
"The Most Dangerous Man on the Internet"
http://franklin-revealed.notlong.com
Hummingbird's research discovered that's not my photo.
Says I've "stolen the identity of somebody called Brad Pitt".
== 14 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:46 pm
From: -hh
Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> nospam writes:
> > except that apple's sales are outpacing the market as a whole,
> > so it is helping.
>
> It wouldn't be the first time. But the Mac is still a niche product.
A "Niche" that encompasses 60% of Princeton University, amongst
others.
> > there are quite a few users who buy a mac specifically for certain
> > software such as final cut pro.
>
> If someone needs something that runs only on a Mac, obviously he'll buy a Mac.
> But there a billion users who don't need Mac applications, whereas they do
> need Windows applications. And so they buy Windows.
If its the right tool for the job, that's fine. However, every
decision has both its advantages and disadvantages.
> > because rebooting has some advantages, such as having full hardware
> > access.
>
> Windows has full hardware access. And rebooting means starting from scratch,
> which is unacceptable to most users. Fortunately, it's unnecessary, as long
> as you run only applications for one OS. And most people run only Windows
> applications, so they can boot just Windows and stay with that, no reboots
> required.
...until they go to run that Mac OS-only software.
> > for most apps, it's not needed, and being able to run mac, windows and
> > unix software, all side by side, with being able to copy/paste between
> > them as well as access the same files is *very* useful.
>
> Only if you have software that runs on multiple operating systems, which most
> people don't.
The minority that do, do so because they've found productivity
applications that are unique to a particular OS.
> > if all you run is windows, sure, but why limit oneself?
>
> Most people are not limited by it, since everything they want to use is
> available under Windows.
Except when its not. Let me know when you find iPhoto for XP/Vista.
No, not some iPhoto lookalike application, but nothing less than the
genuine article.
> > there are a
> > lot of apps that don't exist on windows that *do* exist on mac or unix
> > which a mac can run and windows can't.
>
> There are almost no applications that are available only on Mac and not on
> Windows.
Funny...thought you just said that there were literally none, ie:
"everything they want to use is available under Windows." Contradict
yourself often, or constantly? :-)
> > actually no. there are some vertical market apps that don't exist on
> > macs and probably never will but for the vast majority of users, either
> > system will work fine. mainstream software exists on both.
>
> That isn't true, I'm afraid. Mac users who want to do anything other than
> surf the Web or write a letter may find that the applications they want to use
> exist only on Windows. I know former Mac users who finally gave up in
> frustration and went to Windows, simply because they could never find the
> stuff they wanted on the Mac. It was always Windows-only.
True, there was some of this, back in the pre-OSX and PPC days.
However, let's be honest and call a spade a spade: most of this was
the desire to play games on their computer.
> > that's true. linux has the least amount of software available and a key
> > reason why linux will never be a dominant desktop system.
>
> The difference is only one of degree. Macs have the same problem, which is
> why they are a minority. But they have a lot more applications than Linux
> does, so a lot more people use Macs.
>
> > not as many as it used to be.
>
> But still a crushing majority.
Not as crushing as it used to be, and in certain market segments,
Windows PCs are already in the literal minority.
In the end, they're both tools that exist to get a particular job
done. Neither tool is perfect and the decision for which one to
prefer to use is an individual choice. For many people, they simply
do not see any material product differentiation as a result of the two
OSs, so they do not see any reason to buy a Mac. That's their
choice. For others, they see differentiation, but not at the (real or
perceived) price differential, and that's also their choice. For the
last, they see the differentiation and they're willing to pay ... and
for some reason, that's NOT their choice? Dishonesty and hypocrisy
in Spades.
-hh
== 15 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:53 pm
From: Franklin
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:44:11 GMT, Franklin wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2009 19:41:26, Ari� wrote in alt.comp.freeware:
>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:12:18 +0200, Peter Seiler wrote:
>>> Allen - 28.03.2009 18:04 :
>>>
>>>> If you were having a private conversatio, use email, not
>>>> this ng.
>>>
>>> I recommended the same to him some days ago.
>>
>> And you were roundly ignored then as you deservedly are now.
>
>
> Ari, isn't that a bit harsh to say to a gentleman like Peter who's
> contending with Chris Millbank's troublemaking?
>
> Seems to me what happens is .... Chris causes trouble in ACF as
> "Hummingbird"; gets a pasting from public spirited posters there;
> Chris goes straight over to UPM and makes 20 or 30 garbage posts
> there as "Aracari".
>
> Poor UPM. We get rid of our garbage but it appears in UPM. In
> the spirit of supportive good neighbors, we should go help
> sufferers in UPM get rid of their growing heap of garbage
> postings.
>
My error. As you were, Ari. I have got Peter mixed up with a do-
gooder in UPM. Didn't realise he was from ACF and referring to John
Stubbings rather than Chris.
That changes everything! I shouldn't have doubted you. :-)
I withdraw my comments.
--
"The Most Dangerous Man on the Internet"
http://franklin-revealed.notlong.com
Hummingbird's research discovered that's not my photo.
Says I've "stolen the identity of somebody called Brad Pitt".
== 16 of 16 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:51 pm
From: -hh
Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> William Black writes:
> > That's like saying your car wouldn't need servicing and your washing machine
> > doesn't need a new motor now and again.
>
> No. Bugs are design defects, not things that wear out. Motors and other
> serviceable parts are things that wear out, not design defects.
>
> How often do you have to replace your washing machine to resolve design
> defects?
Of the washing machines that I've owned over the past 10 years....50%.
-hh
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TOPIC: Photography is Not a Crime, It's a First Amendment Right
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/256feefad4f3ad75?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 2:59 pm
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:40:21 -0700, C J Campbell
><christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-03-29 04:48:59 -0700, Neil Jones <nj@dev.null> said:
>>
>>> Very interesting article.
>>>
>>> http://digg.com/political_opinion/Photography_is_Not_a_Crime_It_s_a_First_Amendment_Right
>>
>>NJ
>>
>>Photography
>>>
>>is a First Amendment right, but there are some limitations -- the same
>>limitations that apply to all other First Amendment rights.
>>
>>Certainly, police officers should have no expectation to a right not to
>>be photographed if they themselves are committing crimes such as
>>assault, conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights, corruption, and
>>abuse of authority. That is why we have a First Amendment in the first
>>place -- it is a tool to protect ourselves against tyranny. In this
>>case, the police were behaving tyrannically. Small wonder they hate the
>>First Amendment.
>>
>>In the cases cited here, it was the police officers who were violating
>>the law, not the photographers. The police were merely angry because
>>the photographs were being used as evidence against them. Tough.
>
>My son has a friend (a former class-mate) who is an undercover cop
>working drug enforcement. During an arrest awhile back, some
>bystander snapped some shots of the "perps" (1) being manhandled onto
>the ground. My son's friend took the camera and reformatted the SD
>card.(2)
Criminal vandalism.
>The photographer squealed that he was photographing "police
>brutality". The cop defended his action by saying that, as an
>undercover cop, he should be able to protect his identity.
Nope. No such right.
>Both sides have a point. Police brutality should be exposed, (pun
>intended) but arrestees don't always go along quietly. Undercover
>drug agents are at risk if their identity is known.
The rights of citizens override the wants of government employees.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 3:00 pm
From: ray
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:04:25 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
> ray wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 07:48:59 -0400, Neil Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Very interesting article.
>>>
>>> http://digg.com/political_opinion/
>> Photography_is_Not_a_Crime_It_s_a_First_Amendment_Right
>>> NJ
>>
>> Hell of a stretch to get from freedom of speech and press to your right
>> to photograph any damned thing you want.
>
> Freedom of the press has been interpreted to allow news photographers to
> intrude on the privacy of any person who is 'in the public eye', so I
> guess it does. Frankly, a press card shouldn't give one a right to
> visually trespass, in my opinion.
'in the publice eye' is a big restriction there - that's the difference.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:19 pm
From: Savageduck
On 2009-03-29 13:28:00 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> said:
> On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:40:21 -0700, C J Campbell
> <christophercampbellremovethis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-03-29 04:48:59 -0700, Neil Jones <nj@dev.null> said:
>>
>>> Very interesting article.
>>>
>>> http://digg.com/political_opinion/Photography_is_Not_a_Crime_It_s_a_First_Amendment_Right
NJ
Photography
is
>>>
>> a First Amendment right, but there are some limitations -- the same
>> limitations that apply to all other First Amendment rights.
>>
>> Certainly, police officers should have no expectation to a right not to
>> be photographed if they themselves are committing crimes such as
>> assault, conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights, corruption, and
>> abuse of authority. That is why we have a First Amendment in the first
>> place -- it is a tool to protect ourselves against tyranny. In this
>> case, the police were behaving tyrannically. Small wonder they hate the
>> First Amendment.
>>
>> In the cases cited here, it was the police officers who were violating
>> the law, not the photographers. The police were merely angry because
>> the photographs were being used as evidence against them. Tough.
>
> My son has a friend (a former class-mate) who is an undercover cop
> working drug enforcement. During an arrest awhile back, some
> bystander snapped some shots of the "perps" (1) being manhandled onto
> the ground. My son's friend took the camera and reformatted the SD
> card.(2)
>
> The photographer squealed that he was photographing "police
> brutality". The cop defended his action by saying that, as an
> undercover cop, he should be able to protect his identity.
>
> Both sides have a point. Police brutality should be exposed, (pun
> intended) but arrestees don't always go along quietly. Undercover
> drug agents are at risk if their identity is known.
>
> (1) Love that cop talk!
> (2) The cop is a pretty good amateur photographer and can work his way
> around the Menu of any camera.
>
>
Having just retired as a Lieutenant after 25 years in Law enforcement,
and having been a "photographer" for some 48 years I am always pissed
off when I hear of police infringing of rights under the color of Law.
Then regarding your son's "undercover" cop friend, I have my own opinion.
For the most part "undercover" cops are not usually directly involved
in arrests.
Once an arrest is made, and the case along with the role of any
"undercover" agents is evaluated. If there is sufficient evidence to go
ahead with prosecution the cop's identity will be revealed.
If he is part of an arrest team (planned or unplanned) he, and his own
report will be included in the complete arrest report, which is
available to all parties, defense and prosecution, as part of
discovery. It will also be part of any Probation report. Protecting ID
is no longer an issue.
If they are involved in ongoing investigations, they will remain
"undercover" until the entire case matures. Again they would normally
not be a part of an arrest team. They will be one of the prosecution
witnesses and their identity will be revealed in Court. At this time
their "undercover" role is over.
Again protecting ID is no longer an issue.
They may continue their careers in drug enforcement, or other roles. In
the future, if they are particularly skilled, they may work
"undercover" again in different areas (drug enforcement is not the only
crime investigated by "undercover" cops.)
I somehow doubt that your son's "undercover" cop friend was doing
anything more than telling a "war story" to a civilian for aaah effect.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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TOPIC: How can I take photos of GOD???
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/ed77e47905febf46?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 3:02 pm
From: George Kerby
On 3/29/09 4:14 PM, in article VwRzl.20538$PH1.3729@edtnps82, "Dudley Hanks"
<photos.digital@dudley-hanks.com> wrote:
>
> "Jasper Tiler" <slimier_trap@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ee800b2b-f88b-4571-a150-3f8e69939351@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>> I want to prove the existence of GOD, so that all
>> people will believe in HIM.
>>
>> For that purpose, I need a photo of GOD.
>>
>> How can I take a photo of GOD???
>
> Drop by some time. If I'm not busy, I'll sit for you....
>
> Take Care,
> Dudley
>
>
But will Mitch? Remember God spelled backwards...
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:29 pm
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital Jasper Tiler <slimier_trap@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I want to prove the existence of GOD, so that all
> people will believe in HIM.
> For that purpose, I need a photo of GOD.
> How can I take a photo of GOD???
Get in touch with one of his earthly agents. There's plenty of them
about.
--
Chris Malcolm
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TOPIC: Nikon D90 defective Matrix metering
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/c9335bfe34017e91?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 3:06 pm
From: "PDM"
<snip>
>
> As with any tool, you can get better results by knowing how to use a
> camera to its best. I find that a quick glance at the LCD after taking
> the picture is a useful quick check, and use the histogram if I am in
> doubt. Having recently been in the Antarctic with quite a lot of bright
> ice and snow, getting the right exposure required a little more care than
> normal.
>
> Other than that, I've found the Nikon metering to work very well for me.
>
> Cheers,
> David
I too look at the LCD and usually have either the histagram on show or the
highlight warning. But have you noticed that that fantastic grab shot you
just made is always over exposed and by the time you have compensated it's
too late.
Just compared my Westen Meter with the D90. exactly the same in most
lighting. Occasionally over exposes but most is recoverable in NX2. So I'm
guessing that I won't have anywhere near the same problems I have with the
D40x.
PDM
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:10 pm
From: "Larry Thong"
Focus wrote:
> I was and then I got the D90.
> The piece on DPR is also from me, just under another name. Just to
> clarify. Maybe somebody at Nikon starts paying attention if enough is
> written about this problem.
> I think problems of a lesser kind have been blessed with a firmware
> update ;-)
For Christ's sake, Son, you need to be keepen' these things for at least
18-months to get the most bang for the buck. Maybe you should just get a
Canon 5d MkII?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:02 pm
From: Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Wowzer <wowz@saywhat.net> saying
something like:
>>Of course, Olympus OM cameras had one significant ergonomic advantage
>>which helped holding the small camera as described, although many
>>newcomers found it difficult to get used to: the shutter speed control
>>was around the lens barrel. So all of the exposure functions were
>>controlled by the lens hand.
>>
>
>And what a joy that is/was. Put your left hand on the lens barrel, the
>forefinger adjusted the focus and/or zoom, the middle finger adjusted the
>aperture, the ring-finger adjusted the shutter speed. Akin to playing a
>Stradivarius violin, one-handed. You just shifted your thumb to whatever
>adjustment you needed, faster than any auto-anything in any contemporary
>DSLR.
Don't forget the Nikkormat. Another little jewel of a camera.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:08 pm
From: "Charles"
"T. Deston" <tdeston@antispam.org> wrote in message
news:tq3ss4lpug2qtoq0jf9gn364eqabkgq1ls@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:38:49 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Horrible. And the hideous red fringe on things means the lens on that
>>toy isn't much good either.
>>
>>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonsx1is/page15.asp
>
> Do you mean like how this "toy" P&S camera with the exact same lens as the
> SX1 beats the pants off of a DSLR, both in resolution and CA performance?
>
> http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_PowerShot_SX10_IS/outdoor_results.shtml
>
> Like that?
>
> Go away you useless fuck of a troll. You haven't a clue about anything,
> the
> least of which is knowledge about photography and cameras.
Don't respond, and they will go away.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 29 2009 4:10 pm
From: "Larry Thong"
Out the door early on a gloomy and foggy Sunday morning was the start of it.
We said "OH CRAP" what better way to start things off by getting behind a
freaken convoy!
<http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Ritaberk/Convoy.jpg>
Once we got past that obstacle we ran into Lil'Red! No, not that fancy
looking Dodge pickup from yesteryear, but still as bloody red.
<http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Ritaberk/Lil_Red.jpg>
We finally arrived at out favorite fishing hole with gear and breakfast in
tow ready to eat. To our surprise we found someone had been skimming off
the top and left us nothing but the crumbs.
<http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Ritaberk/Skimming.jpg>
Well, it wasn't a total loss as we finally got the lines in the water and
had a great time. Caught some White Perch, Yellow Perch, and a few Cats.
<http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/Ritaberk/Fishing-1.jpg>
One thing I will say is the old neglected D3, 500/4, and 1.4x TC is making a
great addition to the old tackle box. Even Uncle Josh would be proud!
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