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* Which SQL is the best for servers? - 11 messages, 10 authors
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* Chinchón en línea - Spanish Rummy !! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Rummy en línea - línea Rummy - 1 messages, 1 author
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* equivalent of /dev/null for emails? invalid.invalid? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Searching And Replacing *paragraphs* across files in a directory - 3
messages, 3 authors
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* NFL Jerseys=22USD Mlb jerseys=20USD Nhl Jerseys=35USD paypal payment - 1
messages, 1 author
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* NYC LOCAL: Wednesday 18 February 2009 NYLUG: Brian Gupta and Nathan Freitas:
Overview of the Android Mobile Platform - 1 messages, 1 author
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* can not start my system using power button - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Information For People Using Googlegroups 8 - 1 messages, 1 author
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* NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 17 February 2009 Two Different Meetings: Perl, Python - 1
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TOPIC: Which SQL is the best for servers?
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Feb 15 2009 11:43 pm
From: The Natural Philosopher

Jack wrote:
> "pg" <penang@catholic.org> wrote in message
> news:dd9edcff-7d7f-49ca-bddd-2b7bba050310@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> I am involved with a SQL server project. The server would be used in a
>> very heavy duty environment, with hundreds of thousands, if not
>> millions of database enquiries per minutes.
>>
>> The server would run Linux or one of the BSD variant, with at least
>> 32GB of RAM. We are not very certain of the hardware specs yet because
>> we haven't decided on which SQL to use.
>>
>> I know that Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL are all designed for heavy
>> duty uses.
>>
>> And I checked all available online resources for a SQL comparison and
>> all I could find is some articles dated 2005 or so !
>>
>> So, here's my questions:
>>
>> 1. Are there any recent SQL comparison article available?
>>
>> 2. Since the server may come with only 32GB of RAM, which SQL can run
>> the "leanest" - that is, not a memory hog?
>>
>> 3. The server might also become a web-server, which SQL can tie itself
>> to the Web-based enquiry they best?
>>
>> Please give me your suggestion / opinion. Thank you !!
> Hi!
>
> Well, use Oracle database. If needed use RAC/GRID, if you really have so
> heavy dyty usage ;)
> But you could try with single server. (and later take GRID and add more
> nodes, if usage growns)
>
> Do not put web-server into same box (server) as database.
>

There speaks a man who looks like he is posting from the oracle group.

From my far more limited knowledge, it makes sense to me.

> HTH
> Jack
>
>

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 4:39 am
From: Maxwell Lol

"Jack" <none@INVALIDmail.com> writes:

> Do not put web-server into same box (server) as database.

This will improve performance and security.

Putting a database on a web server is ill-advised.
That's like providing two front doors instead of one to attackers.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 4:52 am
From: Jerry Stuckle

pg wrote:
> I am involved with a SQL server project. The server would be used in a
> very heavy duty environment, with hundreds of thousands, if not
> millions of database enquiries per minutes.
>
> The server would run Linux or one of the BSD variant, with at least
> 32GB of RAM. We are not very certain of the hardware specs yet because
> we haven't decided on which SQL to use.
>
> I know that Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL are all designed for heavy
> duty uses.
>
> And I checked all available online resources for a SQL comparison and
> all I could find is some articles dated 2005 or so !
>
> So, here's my questions:
>
> 1. Are there any recent SQL comparison article available?
>
> 2. Since the server may come with only 32GB of RAM, which SQL can run
> the "leanest" - that is, not a memory hog?
>
> 3. The server might also become a web-server, which SQL can tie itself
> to the Web-based enquiry they best?
>
> Please give me your suggestion / opinion. Thank you !!

You also missed DB2, SQL Server and several others.

I don't know of any recent comparison articles, but I've found them to
be only worth bragging rights. Whether or not those benchmarks apply to
the real world is highly questionable.

The truth is - when you ask a question like this, you'll get plenty of
answers, most of them from people who are quite partial to their own
database.

There is no one database which is best for everything. What is best for
one person is not necessarily best for another. What you need to do is
your own evaluation of each product based on your needs.

Yes, it means a lot of work. But if you're going to be hitting it as
hard as you say, it's work you need to do yourself.

--
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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
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== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 5:28 am
From: Jean-David Beyer

My requirements were much less than yours. Single-user on large workstation.

I first tried to use Microsoft Access, but it was too buggy and would not
let me design a simple database. I then tried postgreSQL (in about 1996, and
it did not work right -- then. So I switched to Informix, which was a pain
because it did not have an interface to C++, so I had zillions of little
interface routines written in C to be called from C++. But it worked with
Red Hat Linux 5.0. When Red Hat upgraded that to 5.2, Informix did not work
at all, and Informix was unwilling to help. At that point, I switched to
IBM's DB2 and it worked fine, though it was like delivering milk with a fire
truck. When I switched to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3, I had trouble getting
DB2 to run. IIRC, the problem was that the interface to the raw file systems
changed, and I did not want to pay to upgrade DB2. By then I looked at MySQL
and postgreSWL again and I picked postgreSQL because MySQL did not handle
transactions in a way I felt confident of. As far as I can tell, postgreSQL
works fine the way I run it. It seems to be faster, even without raw file
systems, than I managed to get DB2 to run with them.

--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
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== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 6:13 am
From: Serge Rielau

pg wrote:
> PS. Although we prefer open-sourced programs, we definitely will pay
> for it !!
No need to pay:
http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/express/

--
Serge Rielau
DB2 Solutions Development
IBM Toronto Lab

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 6:23 am
From: toby

On Feb 16, 1:13 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
> I forgot to add, other than Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL, we are also
> considering Ingres.

There is also Firebird.

As for the proprietary options, how much money do you want to waste?

>
> Is there any other SQL that you would recommend?
>
> Thank you !!
>
> PS. Although we prefer open-sourced programs, we definitely will pay
> for it !!

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 6:59 am
From: Walt

A couple points:

1) You are looking for a Relational Database Management System, or
RDBMS. SQL is the *language* one uses to communicate with the RDBMS,
it's not the system itself. Try Googling on the correct terms and
you'll get better results.

2) You are going about it backwards by speccing the hardware and then
trying to find software to run on it. The correct approach is to define
your business needs, then find the software that solves your problems,
and only at that point do you decide on the hardware.

3) Don't run the webserver and the database server on the same hardware
(although you might be able to get away with it through virtualization).
It's just very bad from a security standpoint.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 8:57 am
From: Paulie

On Feb 16, 6:09 am, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:

> I am involved with a SQL server project. The server would be used in a
> very heavy duty environment, with hundreds of thousands, if not
> millions of database enquiries per minutes.

Perhaps you should clarify here - what exactly do you mean by
millions of "database enquiries per minutes"?

Will these be reads? Or will there be lots of updating going on?

What is the nature of these database "enquiries"?

> The server would run Linux or one of the BSD variant, with at least
> 32GB of RAM. We are not very certain of the hardware specs yet because
> we haven't decided on which SQL to use.

Fine - Oracle won't be supported on *BSD.

> I know that Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL are all designed for heavy
> duty uses.

Yes - but what sort of heavy duty use? MySQL will be better IMHO for
reading - less transactional overhead - which is both good and bad!

> And I checked all available online resources for a SQL comparison and
> all I could find is some articles dated 2005 or so !
> So, here's my questions:

> 1. Are there any recent SQL comparison article available?

All of the commercial vendors specifically forbid benchmarks - except
the
ones they choose to publish themselves!

> 2. Since the server may come with only 32GB of RAM, which SQL can run
> the "leanest" - that is, not a memory hog?

32GB of RAM is a large system - but RAM isn't everything! What is the
OS going to be? That's your first decision.

What about the disk configuration? What's the CPU configuration?

> 3. The server might also become a web-server, which SQL can tie itself
> to the Web-based enquiry they best?

Generally a web server feeds user input to an app server which then
fires SQL at a database.

These tiers should all run on separate machines - or at least separate
virtual machines.

> Please give me your suggestion / opinion. Thank you !!

You could look at Firebird - it's solid and simple to administer. The
answer to this
question depends on your requirements, which you haven't explained
enough here.

Paul...

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 9:51 am
From: joel garry

On Feb 15, 10:09 pm, pg <pen...@catholic.org> wrote:
> I am involved with a SQL server project. The server would be used in a
> very heavy duty environment, with hundreds of thousands, if not
> millions of database enquiries per minutes.
>
> The server would run Linux or one of the BSD variant, with at least
> 32GB of RAM. We are not very certain of the hardware specs yet because
> we haven't decided on which SQL to use.
>
> I know that Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL are all designed for heavy
> duty uses.
>
> And I checked all available online resources for a SQL comparison and
> all I could find is some articles dated 2005 or so !
>
> So, here's my questions:
>
> 1. Are there any recent SQL comparison article available?
>
> 2. Since the server may come with only 32GB of RAM, which SQL can run
> the "leanest" - that is, not a memory hog?
>
> 3. The server might also become a web-server, which SQL can tie itself
> to the Web-based enquiry they best?
>
> Please give me your suggestion / opinion. Thank you !!

I agree with those who say you are going about this backwards. No-way
no-how will a single open source os box handle millions of
"enquiries" per minute.

Sounds to me like someone has an idea for some web page they think is
going to attract a gazillion users. This is what I predict: You will
spend $5 million over several years financed via a shoot-the-moon
business plan designed to attract venture capital. At the end, it
will all fizzle out after numerous rounds of layoffs.

It wouldn't be the first time. Good luck in this economic
environment. That's as good a prediction as any given this amount of
information. Unless the domain you are posting from indicates some
religious thing. Some religious databases use Oracle.

As to the database engine: There is a reason I'm strongly biased
towards Oracle. That reason being, unless there is something special
about the processing involved, either exceedingly simple, complex or
specialized, it is near impossible to build a bespoke system cheaper
than buy and modify off the shelf software. For business systems,
ACID is a very important consideration, and Oracle simply handles the
concurrency issues better for most business processes. Google, for a
big example, doesn't care about concurrency issues, because their
business model is simply to approximate eyeballing of ads - and they
don't have to account for how they measure it. This happens to be
evil.

In general, it takes about an order of magnitude more people to write
and maintain a custom system than implement an off the shelf system.
Given the cost of a large implementation this can make sense for open
source - or not. The maintenance costs are often underestimated
either way, but moreso in customization. When a startup starts to
transition to a business, variable costs are cut. That would be
you.

Two guys and a box? I've seen that work, where a huge classical
development failed - more than once. It depends. Most startups fail.

Check out Oracle XE and apex. No cost to you, and you can pay to
scale as appropriate.

jg
--
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== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 10:35 am
From: Troels Arvin

joel garry wrote:

[...]
> Check out Oracle XE
[...]

As far as I know, Oracle has never issued any patches for Oracle XE.
Given the stream of patches for the "regular" Oracle database, I fear
that an Oracle XE installation will have a number of known bugs -
possibly security bugs.

Or?

(Note: Follow-up set to comp.databases and comp.databases.oracle.server.)

--
Troels

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 11:12 am
From: Paulie

On Feb 16, 5:51 pm, joel garry <joel-ga...@home.com> wrote:

> Check out Oracle XE and apex. No cost to you, and you can pay to
> scale as appropriate.

Before rushing to download Oracle XE, check out

http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/cunningham-database-xe.html

Limitations.
1 GB of RAM (OP has 32),
1 CPU (with 32GB of RAM?) and a
4GD data limit.

For millions of queries per hour? For POC of an app, this is fine,
however for
performance testing, it's a non-runner.

You are allowed AFAIK, download the full server for testing (but not
deployment). The OP hasn't really given the group enough information
about the system for anyone here to be able to answer any
serious questions about an app that's (supposedly) going
to be almost as busy as Google!

No CPU data, no disk array data - they haven't even chosen
an OS and are not sure where to put their web server (and
no mention of an app server tier!).

Maybe they should run with the mauve db?

Paul...

> jg

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 1:06 am
From: jim.r69@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 1:16 am
From: cigarettesenligne@gmail.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 2:22 am
From: Georg Horn

Rahul <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> I think I'll configure my MTA sendmail (its a beast each time!). The
> problem with the spamgourmet solution is that it still means sending those
> emails out on the external network when all I want is them to be piped down
> the "trash" chute. To a dark dark place. Like /dev/null/

Send these mails to something like null@localhost and add this line to
/etc/mail aliases (and of course rebuild aliases.db):
null: /dev/null

Bye,
Georg

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 2:52 am
From: Steve

Hi;

I'm in the process of moving a web site for a friend. The site has
over 100 files. There is a chunk/paragraph of code that needs to
replaced in each. The various search and replace tools I have seen
focus on one line strings. Is there a tool that would allow you in
a non cumbersome way to specify an entire "paragraph" to be searched
and replaced on?

Thanks in advance for any info

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 4:08 am
From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)

Steve <beforewisdom@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a tool that would allow you in
> a non cumbersome way to specify an entire "paragraph" to be searched
> and replaced on?

You probably want to use a set of ed commands to do this.

ed *.txt < commands.ed

Do the line breaks within the paragraph fall in the same place? Are the
original paragraphs all identical? What about the replacements?

The editor will probably do what you want, whatever the case.

Mark.

--
Mark Hobley
Linux User: #370818 http://markhobley.yi.org/

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 8:19 am
From: Allodoxaphobia

On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:08:01 GMT, Mark Hobley wrote:
> Steve <beforewisdom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there a tool that would allow you in
>> a non cumbersome way to specify an entire "paragraph" to be searched
>> and replaced on?
>
> You probably want to use a set of ed commands to do this.
>
> ed *.txt < commands.ed
>
> Do the line breaks within the paragraph fall in the same place? Are the
> original paragraphs all identical? What about the replacements?
>
> The editor will probably do what you want, whatever the case.

I think the embedded markup will be a bitch to work around.

If the paragraphs are all identical in content, it might be a little
easier to delete all the paragraphs and use SSI to pull in a single copy
of the paragraph from a file.

Jonesy

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 7:12 am
From: secretary@lxny.org

From: NYLUG Announcements <info@nylug.org>
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:45:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nylug-announce] NYLUG Feb 18 @ 6:30 PM Brian Gupta & Nathan Freitas on An overview of the Android Mobile Platform

Wednesday, February 18, 2009
6:30pm-8:00 PM
IBM
590 Madison Ave, 12th Floor
corner of 57th Street

** RSVP Closes at 4:30pm the day of the meeting (sharp!) ***
Please RSVP for EVERY meeting at this time.
Register at http://rsvp.nylug.org/
Check in with photo ID at the lobby for badge.

Brian Gupta & Nathan Freitas
- on -
An overview of the Android Mobile Platform

Please join us Wednesday, February 18th 2009 for a discussion on Google's
relatively new mobile-oriented Linux operating system, Android.

Android is a fully integrated and open source bundle of software
significantly lowers the current costs of developing mobile devices
(currently runs on a cellphone (the HTC Dream/T-Mobile G1), and a number of
unofficial "ports". It consists of an operating system, middleware, a
user-friendly interface and powerful applications.

The talk will start with a review of the internal architecture of the
Android platform, breaking down the various components, and examine how
they work. Then we will review the latest status of the open source
project, including how to get and build the source code, and how to get
involved.

At this point there will be a short session introducing application
development on the Android platform, walking through the open-source tool
chain, including the command line tools and the Eclipse.org IDE based
environment. The core application components will be broken down,
including the XML-based formats for resources and user interface design.
The required "Hello, World!" app will be shown, along with a more complex
"Geo Report" app which utilizes more advanced features such as GPS location
and the Camera. Finally, application deployment either via the Android
Market or through direct web or physical distribution will be demonstrated.

Finally, we will cover hacking the phone. This will include how to
"get root" on the phone, and how to build and/or install custom firmware.
(And why you might want to do so). Also for those Debian fans in the
audience we will touch on the status of Debian on the G1.

If there is time after the meeting Brian will be willing to help people
"get root" their phones.

More Information:

* Android site
http://www.android.com/

* The Android FAQ
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* Open Handset Alliance
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/

* Android Market (ie: "app store")
http://market.android.com/

About Brian Gupta:
Brian Gupta is an advocate of open source software and participates and
contributes to a number of open source projects and communities in and
outside of the New York area. Brian is also a big fan of the mobile
computing. (Having owned over 20 PDA/smartphones/pocket computers in his
lifetime.) Brian helps moderate and co-launched the #androidnyc channel
on irc.freenode.net. Brian also lead creation of "the FAQ" and collected
most of the questions and answers.

Brian is currently leading a five man consulting team that offers remote
sysadmin and DBA services. (http://www.brandorr.com)

About Nathan Freitas:
Nathan Freitas has been writing code since he was eight and hasn't
stopped looking for problems to solve ever since. A lifelong mobile
technology enthusiast, his career has included work on DARPA-funded
research projects, popular consumer products, award-winning digital art
pieces and groundbreaking technology for activists and organizers.

Meeting Location:
Please note that this meeting will be held at IBM, 590 Madison Ave,
12th floor, corner of 57th Street, and not at Google. This is
the building with the IBM logo on the front of the building.

Map:
http://nylug.org/mapofibm

Books!!!
Our friends at Prentice-Hall kindly provide us with review copies
of various new titles. One of these could be yours, all you have
to do is agree to review the book within a reasonable period of
time.

Swag (Give Away):
During/after the meeting... unusually terrific swag may be given
away.

Stammtisch:
After the meeting ... You may wish to join up with other NYLUGgers
over at TGI Fridays located at 677 Lexington Avenue and 56th
Street, second floor. Northeast corner.

Python Workshops:
We are rounding up a group that wants to learn Python. This would
be a great time to attend our workshop.

The workshops meet every other Tuesday, at the NY Public Library,
Hudson Park Branch. 66 Leroy St. NY NY from 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Next meetings are February 17, followed by March 3.
See the calendar at: http://nylug.org/pythoncalendar

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TOPIC: can not start my system using power button
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/4049570b5e907a5a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 7:15 am
From: arnuld

I turn on the power-button of my cabinet and i don't even get the BIOS
screen, monitor does not even turns on to show me soemthing. The disk-
usage as shown by the red-light of cabinet is 100% bright red light
like if it is continuously accessing the HDD.

Then I press the reset button (because the big power-button does not
work at this time) and it shows me the BIOS screen. I cleaned up the
dirt form the FAN and the heat-sync, I cleaned up the RAM slots, there
was lots of dust on RAMs themselves. Now even after checking the power
connection on the MOBO and the HDD cables (one IDE and one SATA) I
still don't get the BIOS screen at first try. I [B]always[/B] have to
press the reset button after power-button to get my compuetr working.

Any ideas on the this strange issue ?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 10:41 am
From: Baron

arnuld wrote:

> I turn on the power-button of my cabinet and i don't even get the BIOS
> screen, monitor does not even turns on to show me soemthing. The disk-
> usage as shown by the red-light of cabinet is 100% bright red light
> like if it is continuously accessing the HDD.
>
> Then I press the reset button (because the big power-button does not
> work at this time) and it shows me the BIOS screen. I cleaned up the
> dirt form the FAN and the heat-sync, I cleaned up the RAM slots, there
> was lots of dust on RAMs themselves. Now even after checking the power
> connection on the MOBO and the HDD cables (one IDE and one SATA) I
> still don't get the BIOS screen at first try. I [B]always[/B] have to
> press the reset button after power-button to get my compuetr working.
>
> Any ideas on the this strange issue ?

Try a new PSU !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 11:04 am
From: Bill Marcum

On 2009-02-16, arnuld <arnuld.mizong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I turn on the power-button of my cabinet and i don't even get the BIOS
> screen, monitor does not even turns on to show me soemthing. The disk-
> usage as shown by the red-light of cabinet is 100% bright red light
> like if it is continuously accessing the HDD.
>
> Then I press the reset button (because the big power-button does not
> work at this time) and it shows me the BIOS screen. I cleaned up the
> dirt form the FAN and the heat-sync, I cleaned up the RAM slots, there
> was lots of dust on RAMs themselves. Now even after checking the power
> connection on the MOBO and the HDD cables (one IDE and one SATA) I
> still don't get the BIOS screen at first try. I [B]always[/B] have to
> press the reset button after power-button to get my compuetr working.
>
> Any ideas on the this strange issue ?

Your computer isn't really turned off, it's suspended and doesn't know
how to wake up. If you press and hold the power button for 5 seconds
it should turn off completely and you can turn it on normally. On most
PCs the power light blinks when the PC is suspended. With a little work
you might be able to get the PC to wake up from suspend, or you can
make it hibernate or shutdown instead of suspending. Do a search on
"linux acpi" and the name of your PC or motherboard.

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TOPIC: Information For People Using Googlegroups 8
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/39c526cf6885bf8f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 9:10 am
From: Frank Slootweg

Robert "Wasting your time R Us" Miles <robertmiles@bellsouthnospam.net> wrote:
[...]

> Also note that there's a new great source of spam, usenet.com.
> This one hides enough information in their headers that it's
> difficult to block only the spammers using it, but so far the
> only other type of posts I've seen from it were definitely
> off-topic for the newsgroups they were posted to, so I plan
> to block all posts using it as soon as I can add that capability
> to my newsreader.

Which is what, *over six weeks* [1] ago?

[1] <news:ccb63$495fcd4c$5ed00124$4874@cache3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>

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TOPIC: NYC LOCAL: Tuesday 17 February 2009 Two Different Meetings: Perl,
Python
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/cb061a4a36f23cc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 9:54 am
From: secretary@lxny.org

To: ny@lists.pm.org
From: James E Keenan <jkeen@verizon.net>
Subject: Perl Seminar NY Tomorrow Night
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:48:48 -0500

Perl Seminar NY will have its monthly meeting as usual on Tuesday,
February 17:

Location:
NYPC User Group
481 8th Ave, Suite 550
between West 34 and 35 Sts, Manhattan
Tuesday Feb 17, 6:15-8:15 pm

Agenda:
Steven Lembark
CPAN Module List::Util: How to Use the reduce() and first() functions.

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< above, notice for Perl meeting; below, notice for Python meeting />

From: NYLUG Announcements <info@nylug.org>
To: NYLUG Announcements <nylug-announce@nylug.org>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:20:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nylug-announce] NYLUG Python Workshop, (TOMORROW) February 17 6:00PM-8:00PM
Reply-To: Announcements from NYLUG <nylug-announce@nylug.org>

This is a reminder for the event detailed below.

PYTHON WORKSHOP
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Time: 6:00pm
Duration: 2 hours
Location: NY Public Library Hudson Park Branch, 66 Leroy St., NY NY 10014

Topics:
General discussion about Python, and working through example code.
Bring something to discuss! There's a blackboard, chalk, and Internet
access. Notebook computers are helpful but not required.
All levels of Python experience from totally new to experienced welcome!

Description:
We will continue meeting on a bi-weekly basis at the Hudson Library at
66 Leroy St New York, NY 10014.

It is helpful, but not necessary to have a notebook computer.
The WiFi at the library works now.

Map & Directions:
http://nylug.org/pythoncalendar

We meet in the basement. Enter the library and head to the back. If the
door is closed when you arrive you can ask the manager of the library for
the keys to the room if you're comfortable opening up the basement, or
you can wait for some of the others to arrive.

Mailing List:
We have a mailing list! Join it here:
http://nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-workshop

or send mail to: nylug-workshop-request@nylug.org
with a Subject: subscribe

There is also an RSS feed for the workshop mailing list at:
http://nylug.org/mlist/nylug-python.rss

IRC Channel:
On Freenode, in #nylug-python . Stop by #nylug also.

The Next Meeting After This Meeting:
The following Python Workshop will be held on: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 at 6:00 PM
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TOPIC: How would you emulate cp -al ?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/8d1bdd24328cee39?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 16 2009 11:00 am
From: Henri Schomäcker

John Stumbles wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:20:28 +0100, Henri Schomäcker wrote:
>
>> I need to emulate the copy command with preserves file & directory
>> attributes and hard-links files instead of copying.
>>
>> This is normally done by "cp -al"
>>
>> My problem is that I want to do that on a Terastation Pro II which uses a
>> busybox cp command which does not support the -l option.
>
> find, if it's not a file then cp -a it, else ln it?
>

First of all, don't need it anymore because I now use the rsync --link-dest=
option which I wanted to avoid because I preferred rsyncing at night and
rotating the backups at day.
Im' still testing but abandoning the transfer by ssh and optimising for
network speed gave me some more transmission in the backup-time-frame.

I also thought of the solution you mentioned but am sure that that's a very
resources-intensive solution because in the case of a full-backup the whole
server-installation would need to be searched.

I also found a solution using cpio but unfortunately cpio is also not
installed on a Terastation Pro II by default.

Replacing the OS unfortunately is also no option because it's not my box and
the customer does not want that because it might break the guarantee.

Many thanks for your answer John,

yours Henri

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