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* 2009 Macs and Peripherals :: General Discussion :: Chapter III - 6 messages,
3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/c2f0ebcc850b85d0?hl=en
* Bridge->ImageProcessor->jpeg or Tiff or PSD, the color fades - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/cb0cd7a848b34ed6?hl=en
* Anyone else having a Problem with Leopard and Photoshop CS3? - 4 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/2448effaa20ec500?hl=en
* Change in EXR open from CS2 to CS3 can this be fixed? - 6 messages, 4
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/8948fc2c826ed062?hl=en
* Bridge - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/ebd9d7ea9b8d8d5d?hl=en
* CS4 is shutting down computer - 6 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7a6155d19d66587b?hl=en
* PS animation trouble..... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/6778f575049b4f70?hl=en
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TOPIC: 2009 Macs and Peripherals :: General Discussion :: Chapter III
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/c2f0ebcc850b85d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:17 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Linda,
trouble with the newer Seagate being recognized by the G5
Seagate told me about some Barracuda 7200.11 drives failing to be consistently recognized (data remains intact) and requiring a firmware update (Windows machine required for this). See: <http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931&Hilite=> Their newest generation 7200.12 drives, I've been assured, have no such problem.
Also, their drives come Windows formated (NTFS, a read-only format with a Mac). You must use Disk Utility to reformat the drive for the Mac (a good idea for almost any hard drive or USB flash memory to be used only on the Mac). This, of course, would mean booting off the Mac System disc if you are creating the only startup drive.
Neil
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:23 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Linda,
trouble with the newer Seagate being recognized by the G5
Seagate told me about some Barracuda 7200.11 drives failing to be consistently recognized (data remains intact) and requiring a firmware update (Windows machine required for this). See: <http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931&Hilite=> Their newest generation 7200.12 drives, I've been assured, have no such problem.
Also, their drives come Windows formated (NTFS, a read-only format with a Mac). You must use Disk Utility to reformat the drive for the Mac (a good idea for almost any hard drive or USB flash memory to be used only on the Mac). This, of course, would mean booting off the Mac System disc if you are creating the only startup drive.
I'm currently looking into a Barracuda 7200.12 1TB, model ST31000523AS. With the jumper in place, it is set up for SATA 1.5; remove the jumper for SATA 3.0. The problem is that it is a new model and I could not find it on line when I checked last.
Neil
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:36 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com
The easiest way to reformat the new HD for Mac is to install it in the machine in the place of one of your other drives (not the Boot Drive) and format the new drive through Disk utility.
Then do an Archive & Install of OSX from the original CD and upgrade from the Combo and make it your Boot Drive in System preferences.
After doing that, you can swap your new HD for your old boot drive and install your applications from their original CDs.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:53 am
From: LRK@adobeforums.com
Hi Neil and Ann,
Thank you for your feedback. I ended up ordering the Hitachi 1TB 7K1000 for $129 from OWC. I also ordered 2-4GB Memory Modules to replace the two 512 and two of the 1GB modules for $54.99 a pair at OWC.
The prices are amazing, too good to pass up on these items.
The easiest way to reformat the new HD for Mac is to install it in the
machine in the place of one of your other drives (not the Boot Drive)
and format the new drive through Disk utility.
Then do an Archive & Install of OSX from the original CD and upgrade from
the Combo and make it your Boot Drive in System preferences.
After doing that, you can swap your new HD for your old boot drive and
install your applications from their original CDs.
Thank you for this advice Ann. Sounds like a good way to do this.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:01 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Linda,
The prices you paid are pretty good. Keep us posted. Let us know how quiet that Hitachi drive is.
Neil
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:07 am
From: LRK@adobeforums.com
Will do Neil. Thanks!
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TOPIC: Bridge->ImageProcessor->jpeg or Tiff or PSD, the color fades
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/cb0cd7a848b34ed6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:18 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com
It certainly sounds as if Image Processor is unable to use the information in your .xml sidecars or ACR Database.
You could always open the whole batch in ACR and Open all of them (or Save copies of all of them in the format and size of your choice) directly out of ACR.
That is how I do it.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:12 am
From: g_ballard@adobeforums.com
I have no idea what Image Processor is or how your workflow is set up,
but if you open one of the problem Image Processor files back into Photoshop and Edit> ASSIGN Profile: Adobe RGB, that would be a clue if the color comes back to normal...just as Edit> Assign Profile: sRGB would be a clue
also, dragging one of the jpg files into an open Safari windows would be a clue
+++++++
the problem with Photoshop is we don't know how you have it set up to deal with profiles
Mac Safari, on the other hand will either read the embedded profile correctly or it will Default/Assign/Assume/Apply your monitor profile
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TOPIC: Anyone else having a Problem with Leopard and Photoshop CS3?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/2448effaa20ec500?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:35 am
From: Vincent_Alessi@adobeforums.com
It's 2.8 QC with 4GB RAM.
I'm not ignorant as to what an OS does with fonts, I just highly doubt it's a simple font problem. If that were the case, it would be system wide and not simply Adobe wide. I also didn't install anything, because this company leaves the user out of it to insure everything is done by the IT Dept.
These problems exist for me, as well as other users, and considering it has been posted on Apples forums by complete strangers to myself, I'm sure it's real and probably a Leopard problem. Before I go stirring up IT, I'd like to have some answers instead of the down time that comes with IT taking over my computer.
Also, I'm not trying to justify getting CS4, I own it at home. I'm trying to figure out if I upgrade my home machine to Leopard, in order to use Zbrush, will I be dealing with the same nonsense I deal with here at work. As it is CS4 and Tiger work together better than I could have expected and have no want to open up a can of worms on my home computer.
-Vincent
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:42 am
From: Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com
I would definitely get your IT guy to upgrade your system in the office to 10.5.6, and see if that solves your Finder problems, before deciding whether or not you want to make changes to your home computer.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:57 am
From: Buko
Clone your OS. then update the clone see if things work for you. if so reclone the original and then update the original drive. Keep the clone incase you need to go back.
I just highly doubt it's a simple font problem. If that were the case,
it would be system wide
Wrong
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:20 am
From: Vincent_Alessi@adobeforums.com
If a System Font is corrupt, it wouldn't affect the entire system and only Adobe products?
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TOPIC: Change in EXR open from CS2 to CS3 can this be fixed?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/8948fc2c826ed062?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:46 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
This topic, although quite heated with comments from many first-time visitors, has none-the-less been pretty civilized and articulate until post #115.
It is rare to have someone as directly involved in Photoshop development as Chris Cox appear and respond as he has here. Whether you agree with his viewpoints or not, he's a valuable asset to these forums, particularly to the many who have been regular participants over the years.
For this topic, everyone is welcome to make his or her point so Chris can use them to evaluate any future changes in the app. It's to no one's benefit to make him feel unwelcome.
So please, let's keep the topic to the point and name-calling and accusations out of here. I do not want to be put in the position of closing this long topic.
Thanks!
Neil
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:09 am
From: Christopher_Prosser@adobeforums.com
Hi Folks,
This is quite a thread. I'm writing as one of the people on the After Effects team that finally chose to throw in the towel on spec purity and add options are users needed.
To summarize this whole thread in my own words:
The spec is very clear that OpenEXR images are linear data and premul with their alpha data. What Photoshop CS4 extended is doing is technically correct and following the standard.
Alas, many, many other products, and people using OpenEXR's manage to stuff all sorts of data into RGBA which doesn't conform to the standard.
In the AE CS3 beta cycle we tried to conform to the standard. But in the end, we found so many 'perverse' OpenEXR files ;) , that we decided it was better for After Effects to be flexible enough to deal non-conforming files and further pollute the workflows than to follow the standard.
As Chris Cox pointed out, the Photoshop customer base is different than After Effects and the PS team has a different risk tolerance for adding support for non-conforming workflows. I'm not going to try and guess what percentage of Photoshop users are trying to work with non-conforming OpenEXR files. Clearly there are at least the number of posters in this thread ;).
Luckily both AE and Photoshop support file format plugins. For those of you who need support for non-conforming OpenEXR files in PS CS4, Brendan Bolles sells the ProEXR plugin. AE CS4 actually ships with his OpenEXR plugin for AE.
--chris prosser
ae engineering manager
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:23 am
From: JohnNack@adobeforums.com
Hi folks,
A number of people have written to bring this thread to my attention. I haven't had time to read through all 120+ posts (!), but I'll try to do so shortly (isn't that what weekends are for?).
At the end of the day, we have to do what's useful to you, and we will.
Thanks for your passion & patience,
John Nack
<http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack>
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:39 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Chris,
For those of you who need support for non-conforming OpenEXR files in
PS CS4, Brendan Bolles sells the ProEXR plugin. AE CS4 actually ships
with his OpenEXR plugin for AE.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the solution is as easy as cloning and installing the same ProEXR plug-in in Photoshop CS4 as is included with After Effects?
Neil
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:37 am
From: Zap_Andersson@adobeforums.com
To summarize this whole thread in my own words: The spec is very clear
that OpenEXR images are linear data and premul with their alpha data.
But, as I said many times before, to say this is to *fundamentally misunderstand* what "premultiplied alpha" means.
All it *really* means is DO NOT MULTIPLY in your "over" operator.
I.e. do NOT do
r = fg * fg.alpha + bg * (1 - fg.alpha)
but do
r = fg + bg * (1 - fg.alpha)
That is ALL it means. Which, if you actually read the technical document, to OpenEXR as Florian himself (part of the team writing it!!!) posted above, *actually says*.
Yes. It *explicitly says* that the format of the RGBA data is such that the "over" operation should be
r = fg + bg * (1 - bg.alpha)
To draw from this the conclusion that a color with zero alpha and nonzero RGB is "illegal" and can be thrown away is quite an unfounded extrapolation to make!!
And also note that the spec says that this is *by convention*. Not rule, nor law, but by *convention*. I.e. "the most common case".
What Photoshop CS4 extended is doing is technically correct and following
the standard.
So not using the channel labeled "alpha" as an alpha channel is tecnically correct? To throw away fully legal RGB data just because Alpha is zero is correct?
/Z
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:40 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Chris,
For those of you who need support for non-conforming OpenEXR files in
PS CS4, Brendan Bolles sells the ProEXR plugin. AE CS4 actually ships
with his OpenEXR plugin for AE.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the solution is as easy as cloning and installing the same ProEXR plug-in in Photoshop CS4 as is included with After Effects CS4?
Neil
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TOPIC: Bridge
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/ebd9d7ea9b8d8d5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 10:40 am
From: Steve_O_Collin@adobeforums.com
What happened to the browse window right in Photoshop?
It used to work great !
I upgrade to iMac with 4 Mb RAM and Bridge CS3 and it is soooo slooow !
What's up ?
Steve
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TOPIC: CS4 is shutting down computer
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/7a6155d19d66587b?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:03 am
From: Kristin_Richter-Tope@adobeforums.com
I've been using this computer for over a year and I haven't had any issues until I installed CS4 - that is why I am inclined to think it is something specific to Photoshop. I've run InDesign, Acrobat, and Illustrator and I'm not having the problem. I've run CS2 and CS3 without this problem.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:05 am
From: Kristin_Richter-Tope@adobeforums.com
No one else is having the same problem that I am with CS4 Photoshop?
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:11 am
From: Kristin_Richter-Tope@adobeforums.com
I don't know what the GPU is - but why would it be the video card or driver when previous versions of CS have been fine. The only thing I have installed in CS4 and I have 2GB of memory and over 200GB available on my HD.
I have re-installed everything from the ground up - do you have any idea what a pain in the butt and how much time it takes?
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:13 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Kristin,
You should never have a kernel panic in normal operation of this software.
Have you tried disabling GPU acceleration in Photoshop? (assuming it could
be something with the video card or driver)
Did you try this? Which exact video card do you have? Is it on Adobe's list? Do you have any issues at all with your hard drive? New RAM? How did you install/uninstall/reinstall your software? Also note that you if you are running multiple versions of CS, you should install the earlier version first. What system maintenance have you done?
Neil
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:15 am
From: Buko
No one else is having the same problem that I am with CS4 Photoshop?
No.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:16 am
From: Neil_Keller@adobeforums.com
Kristin,
You should never have a kernel panic in normal operation of this software.
Have you tried disabling GPU acceleration in Photoshop? (assuming it could
be something with the video card or driver)
Did you try this? Which exact video card do you have? Is it on Adobe's list?
In addition to possible video card issues (please search video card or graphics card and Photoshop CS4), do you have any issues at all with your hard drive? New RAM? How did you install/uninstall/reinstall your software? Also note that you if you are running multiple versions of CS, you should install the earlier version first. What system maintenance have you done?
Neil
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TOPIC: PS animation trouble.....
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.macintosh/t/6778f575049b4f70?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 11:20 am
From: jennifer_getz@adobeforums.com
did that, and can preview the animation fine in image ready, but if the animations not showing up in the browser preview, thats not good.
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