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TOPIC: Rotating photos on PC
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 5:17 am
From: Keith nuttle

D.Mac wrote:
>
>
> "tapyeno" <patmahoney@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:487406bd-860b-433b-b295-f1c49f4ae178@x6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> Why do photos I have rotated correctly on my pc, still come up the
>> wrong way around when copied to disc?
>>
>> The photo may have been taken vertically with the camera. so I have
>> rotated it to be horizontal. It mysteriously goes back to vertical
>> when put on CD.
>>
>> How can this be corrected?
>>youle isn't actually rotated, just what
> you see on the screen.
> More Microsoft trickery or magic, whatever suits.
>
> What you need is a "lossless" image rotation program like Irfanview. or
> "Photographer's power tools to do the job in the file, not explorer.
>
If you have jpg's you must do a "lossless" rotation as stated by the
previous poster. With other image files they also can be rotated
usually with the image handling software.

While doing this process, the most IMPORTANT thing, is to save the
rotated image back to the disk as a new file. (I never destroy the
original image, and save any processed images as a new file. )

You need to get a book on the basic of digital images and photography,
or look online.

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TOPIC: Palestinians Under Attack
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 5:25 am
From: Dave

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:55:09 -0500, Stephen Bishop
>
>While you are on your self-righteous high horse, Ray, I trust you will
>tell us all how you are moving from your house and land to return it
>back to the American Indian tribe that you stole it from. Where will
>you go? Where is your homeland, Ray?
>
>Now, prove that you aren't a sleazy liar by not clipping what I wrote
>above and answering my questions instead of responding with a lame
>personal attack.
>
>

and the audience stopped their laughter while waiting for your answer,
Ray. Of course you will keep on proving yourself to be an idiot,
but at least, we'll have something else to laugh about.

Insist on an answer to this one, Stephen.
(or the Australians who murdered the Aborigines.
Or the English who stole South Africa from the South Africans by
murdering them and burning down the their farms when gold was found
at the now Johannesburg.
Or the Canadians and their Indian reservations

Purple Feather
http://www.answers.com/topic/indian-reservation-2

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:15 am
From: Chris H

In message <Xns9BA34589122A3ReplyScoreID@216.196.97.131>, HEMI-Powered
<none@none.gn> writes
>Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>>>>Hmmm. Let me see, the Palestinians from the PLO to Hamas have
>>>>steadfastly said they intend to utterly destroy Israel,
>>>
>>>And the Israelis have said that all of Palestine belongs to the
>>>Jews.
>>
>> And you even clip away much of Hemi's text before you post your
>> one-sided blathering.
>>
>> Ray = SLEAZE
>>
>> But I take it that by leaving in part of what he wrote that you
>> do indeed agree that they intend to utterly destroy Israel.
>> That's progress.
>>
>Stephen, one of the many euphemisms I HATE is "spin", which today
>means to tell a story to be most favorable to your side when in
>reality, it is really a LIE. Ray and some others attempt to spin the
>truth to make it sound more believable and more palitable to normal
>folk but succeed in neither.

Interesting comment I have just had to visit a company on a University
science park. It appears yesterday (29th) the entire student body had a
day of protest and got an official motion in the Students Union and
University records in Favour of supporting the Gazans and calling for
War crimes charges against Israel.

There have also been protest marches in support of the Gazan's and anti
Israel that have not been predominantly Islamic but a general cross
section of the population including Jews who understand that criticising
the state of Israel is not anti-sematic.

It seems the spin of Stephen and Hemi just does not cut it in the real
wolrd.

--
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\/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/
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TOPIC: Your camera takes really nice pictures
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 5:43 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"HowieT" <howiet@giveitarest.net> wrote in message
news:ah05o45u8ja27p8avva89fep6hjcibgkrv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:04:03 +1100, "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan Smithee" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>news:Y9WdnVfWgvwnYOfUnZ2dnUVZ8tzinZ2d@pipex.net...
>>> "C J Campbell" <christophercampbell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2009012321244616807-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
>>>
>>>> Heh, heh. At last a comeback for that one:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gocomics.com/wtduck/2009/01/06/
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't it normally your cooking pots cook really good food?
>>
>>Actually some of my very expensive pots cook the same food a whole lot
>>better, really the same goes for cameras, while my basic cameras will take
>>an adequate photo using my better cameras lets me take better photos,
>>definately more keepers.
>>
>
> A REAL chef can create a culinary masterpiece using nothing but a
> campfire,
> rolled-up bark or leaves for cooking pots, a slab of rock for frying, and
> a
> mud food-wrap (for oven needs) that would put all of your cooking and
> expensive cookware to shame.

Doesn't thast depend on what you call 'cooking' and a "culinary
masterpiece"

>
> Let me tell you about the golden-browned pizza that I made in the coals of
> a campfire using an old discarded fry-pan and a piece of tin for a lid. A
> pizza that friends still talk about because they've never bought anything
> better.
Perhaps' they are just being polite ;-)

> Made the sauce from some wild cherry-tomatoes and red-peppers that
> were growing in the area too.

But suppose you were say in iceland and you couldn;t get those wild
cherries but had to get those cheap ones from the cheapest mass produced
crap
money can buy. I'm certainly no cook but I can tell a decent tomato from
a tin of slush are you saying you can create the taste of wild Cherrie
tomatoes
from red pulp and a sprinkling of E numbers and artifical colours ?
And why do you need a frying pan and tin foil 100s of years ago those didn;t
exist,
so you can't cook without modern utensils to help you ?

> Your analogy doesn't work in the face of real talent, creativity, and
> expertise--three things with which you are obviously unfamiliar. You're
> just a point and shoot fry-cook, just like all the point and shoot dslr
> owners who think it's their camera that makes them a better photographer.
> If not you would have known better than to reply as you did.

And I think you're both wrong :-)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 5:48 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"Sheila" <swdalton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:w7ugl.3394$o9.2112@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> Pete D wrote:
>> "Sheila" <swdalton@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:cYqgl.2544$pq.2397@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>> On Jan 25, 10:15 am, Sheila <swdal...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> Neil Ellwood wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:24:46 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>> Heh, heh. At last a comeback for that one:
>>>>>>> http://www.gocomics.com/wtduck/2009/01/06/
>>>>>> Re: subject line.
>>>>>> My camera does not take nice pictures, I am in control of my camera,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> take nice pictures.
>>>>> Funny, years ago I was at my nephews wedding and I took a photo of his
>>>>> brother, when my sister-inlaw saw the photo she made the comment that
>>>>> I
>>>>> must have a really good camera. Nope, nothing about me taking a good
>>>>> photo. I always laugh about that.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sheilahttp://swdalton.com
>>>>
>>>> Yes, as if anyone in the world would become Ansel Adams,
>>>> if given his equipment, right? Right!
>>>
>>> Yes, people really do have funny ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Check out what a Nikon Coolpix s550 can do (all
>>>> by itself!) :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://flickr.com/photos/34735015@N03/sets/72157612943107763/show/
>>>>
>>
>> Funnily enough even Ansell used the best equipment he could, no reason
>> for anyone not to.
>
> The only reason not to is price.

Well there's convience too, and using ther best equipmetn eliminates soem
excuse
you can use for not getting a good picture. :)

> Sheila
> http://swdalton.com

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 7:18 am
From: Sheila

>
> Well there's convience too, and using ther best equipmetn eliminates soem
> excuse
> you can use for not getting a good picture. :)
>
>> Sheila
>> http://swdalton.com
>
>

Yes, that's true.

--
Sheila
http://swdalton.com

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 8:06 am
From: Allen

C J Campbell wrote:
> Heh, heh. At last a comeback for that one:
>
> http://www.gocomics.com/wtduck/2009/01/06/
>
Having read this thread from the beginning, I have been amazed at the
number of people who have had a sense-of-humor-ectomy.

Allen

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 6:03 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> whisky-dave wrote:
>> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:rNSdnS5ApuiH8RzUnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <wMadnd7J4rYKmhzUnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@giganews.com>, Ron Hunter
>>>> <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any you can't 'just get' a Windows virus, either. Something has to be
>>>>> downloaded (loaded), and RUN.
>>>> yet that happens automatically to a *lot* of people.
>>> Since a computer is pretty much useless unless you have data to input,
>>> and programs to run, this represents a problem. Any user who runs
>>> programs without really knowing what they are, and what they do, or
>>> allows a website to install something on their computer, runs a risk of
>>> loading malware. There is no better AV or firewall than an educated,
>>> and experienced, and skeptical user.
>>
>> Which could expian why PC users tend to suffer more from viruses
>> i.e they aren't educated ;-)
>>
>>
> Some are, some aren't. At least I can spell 'explain'. Grin.

I can spell it, but my fingers can't type it ;-)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 6:46 am
From: Alfred Molon

In article <6ufbgjFer5rjU23@mid.individual.net>, ray says...

> It the last two years or so it has been completely redone. For handling
> raw data, I higly recommend ufraw - fast, simple and allows basic editing
> right there.

Ok, I downloaded and installed GIMP and UFRAW. The GIMP requires some
learning, because I tried to do some image editing and could not find
the controls or filters. I guess a book about the GIMP would help.

The preview window of UFRAW is now fast enough to see changes in real
time, when you move the sliders. However the panel with all sliders
needs to be reworked, because it is a bit arkward to work with.
Could not find the gamma or brightness control, then it turned out that
you have to play with a curve in another panel. It should be a slider
instead.
No 100% pixel view - big problem. Also, zooming in is a bit messy.
Overall the developers of UFRAW need to improve its user interface.
--
Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 8:06 am
From: floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson)

Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <6ufbgjFer5rjU23@mid.individual.net>, ray says...
>
>> It the last two years or so it has been completely redone. For handling
>> raw data, I higly recommend ufraw - fast, simple and allows basic editing
>> right there.
>
>Ok, I downloaded and installed GIMP and UFRAW. The GIMP requires some
>learning, because I tried to do some image editing and could not find
>the controls or filters. I guess a book about the GIMP would help.

If you "could not find the controls or filters", no book
is going to help you do much of anything. (Mostly
because you are clearly fabricating your story.)

>The preview window of UFRAW is now fast enough to see changes in real
>time, when you move the sliders. However the panel with all sliders
>needs to be reworked, because it is a bit arkward to work with.

To someone who can't find filters in GIMP, *anything* is awkward.

>Could not find the gamma or brightness control, then it turned out that
>you have to play with a curve in another panel. It should be a slider
>instead.

Again, you are fabricating. Nobody using half an ounce
of brains could miss the slider for gamma. I don't
believe that even you are actually too dumb to find it,
but I do think it is very obvious that you are dishonest
enough to post such a claim here.

>No 100% pixel view - big problem. Also, zooming in is a bit messy.
>Overall the developers of UFRAW need to improve its user interface.

What value is there to having 100% pixel view as opposed
to 50%? That's not a problem at all, much less a big
one. And zooming in is not messy, it's about as
clearcut as anything could be.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 8:39 am
From: ray

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:46:57 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote:

> In article <6ufbgjFer5rjU23@mid.individual.net>, ray says...
>
>> It the last two years or so it has been completely redone. For handling
>> raw data, I higly recommend ufraw - fast, simple and allows basic
>> editing right there.
>
> Ok, I downloaded and installed GIMP and UFRAW. The GIMP requires some
> learning, because I tried to do some image editing and could not find
> the controls or filters. I guess a book about the GIMP would help.

It's different than photoshop. But I've never had much difficulty finding
what I wanted. There is an excellent tutorial you can get on the web
called 'Grokking the GIMP'. Also a good book - 'Beginning GIMP'.

>
> The preview window of UFRAW is now fast enough to see changes in real
> time, when you move the sliders. However the panel with all sliders
> needs to be reworked, because it is a bit arkward to work with. Could
> not find the gamma or brightness control, then it turned out that you
> have to play with a curve in another panel. It should be a slider
> instead.
> No 100% pixel view - big problem. Also, zooming in is a bit messy.
> Overall the developers of UFRAW need to improve its user interface.

Never much needed to get to the pixel level - I can see how that might be
important for others. Again, I've not had any difficulty negotiating in
ufraw - may be just a case of what you're used to. I tend to just accept
layouts and adapt to them rather than try to figure out how they'd be
better laid out.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:28 am
From: nospam

In article <87skn0lqwq.fld@apaflo.com>, Floyd L. Davidson
<floyd@apaflo.com> wrote:

> >No 100% pixel view - big problem. Also, zooming in is a bit messy.
> >Overall the developers of UFRAW need to improve its user interface.
>
> What value is there to having 100% pixel view as opposed
> to 50%?

to examine artifacts, sharpening halos, etc.

> That's not a problem at all, much less a big
> one.

actually it is a very significant shortcoming, and a surprising one at
that since it's trivial to do and the decision is purely arbitrary.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 6:26 am
From: "stefsclothes1020@gmail.com"

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TOPIC: Surprised at Adorama!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 6:37 am
From: Caesar Romano

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:48:44 -0800 (PST), Helen Oster
<osterhelen@gmail.com> wrote Re Re: Surprised at Adorama!:

>With high demand items, frequent delivery and dispatch times mean that
>items can come in one door, be packaged, and out of another within a
>couple of hours, so real time inventory is often not possible.

It is often not possible with your current system, but the information
is available on one of your computers as the people on the phone can
verify stock from one of their computers. Is that correct or am I
misunderstanding the situation?

If that is correct, then it's possible to get the information to your
web site in a timely manner with the proper software. Other companies
do it.

Granted, Adorama's particular mix of present software may make it
unacceptably difficult or costly, but that is a problem to work on as
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I appreciate your participation in this NG. It's a good sign and a
credit to Adorama.

>We are currently working on our systems to be able to handle this more
>efficiently.

That is important.

It is also my understanding that Adorama does not charge a customer's
credit card until the order has shipped. Is that correct?

Keep up the good work.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 8:22 am
From: Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Savageduck <savageduck@savage.net>
saying something like:

>>> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>> drugs began to take hold.
>>
>> "..edge of the desert.." ??
>>
>> It looks to me like the drugs had long ago taken hold. There is
>> nothing but desert within 200 miles of the Barstow hell-hole.
>
>What!!
>Do we have a failure to recognize the opening lines of the revered &
>glorious Gonzo Opus?
>The good doctor Duke would be appalled.
>...but he would understand.

Exactly.
There is no excuse for ignorance.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 8:30 am
From: TruthSquad@hope.com

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:41:41 -0000, "Jerry"
<mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:

>
><TruthSquad@hope.com> wrote in message
>news:fqhrn4d3rijf7cot1jorlerbc34q56sskc@4ax.com...
>
><snip most of your utter clap-trap>
>: The reason why not, which I'm again repeating is really
>: very simple to grasp. A "real" MPEG-2 encoder/decoder is not given
>: away,
>
>And is a 'real' MPEG-2 encoder/decoder, or any codec for that
>matter?... I'll tell you, a mathematical algorithm, if that same
>encoding/decoding results can be obtained via a different algorithm
>then it does the same job whilst _NOT_ infringing any property right.
>
>It's you who doesn't understand, MPEG-2 codecs are just like MPEG-4 in
>this respect and well demonstrated by the *different* Dvix and Xvid
>codecs.

>Please feel free to f*ck off and find a clue...

I understand you are just another ignorant ass, one of many buffoon
type creatures that infest newsgroups such as this pretending they
know what they're talking about, yet prove beyond doubt they are
clueless idiots and babbling morons.

Write the following down so you don't come across as a total idiot in
the future. Mathematical algorithms can and HAVE received patent
protection under international law. That is a FACT for MPEG-2, the
accepted norm for DVD encoding. I would offer some more technical
references, however doing so would be far beyond your puny brain's
capacity to comprehend.

For your further education neither Dvix or Xvid are the same as the
MPEG-2 coding scheme necessary for producing a compliant DVD, the
primary topic being discussed regardless how much some hot-headed
ignoramonus attempts to sidetrack or hijack the issue or attempts to
justify STEALING intellectual property.

So your feeble attempts to distort,misrepresent and go off in another
direction is duly noted and resulted in confirming your obvious
ignorance.

Let me make is simpler for the idiot crowd. If you are not using a
LICENSED MPEG-2 encoder to create a MPEG-2 compliant DVD, you are
stealing, just as if your would steal something off a shelf, or make
illegal copies of a DVD, etc..

As long as you understand what you are and what you're doing. ;-)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:44 am
From: John Corliss

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:30:21 -0600, TruthSquad@hope.com wrote:

>>Please feel free to f*ck off and find a clue...
>
> I understand you are just another ignorant ass, one of many buffoon
> type creatures that infest newsgroups such as this pretending they
> know what they're talking about, yet prove beyond doubt they are
> clueless idiots and babbling morons.

With all seriousness, I just want you to know that anybody who says
something like that to me would be in line for retribution with extreme
prejudice and without the slightest hesitation. I don't stop until I get
what I want when I'm motivated to be on the trail of anybody who stalks
me.

You see - I have, in reserve, my own tactics for getting back at people,
and many connections with people who will do things for me (and I for
them.)

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:29 am
From: "Jerry"

<TruthSquad@hope.com> wrote in message
news:fj86o41h031um1p35nsg2a5hrmdqvi56ch@4ax.com...
: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:41:41 -0000, "Jerry"
: <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:
:
: >
: ><TruthSquad@hope.com> wrote in message
: >news:fqhrn4d3rijf7cot1jorlerbc34q56sskc@4ax.com...
: >
: ><snip most of your utter clap-trap>
: >: The reason why not, which I'm again repeating is really
: >: very simple to grasp. A "real" MPEG-2 encoder/decoder is not
given
: >: away,
: >
: >And is a 'real' MPEG-2 encoder/decoder, or any codec for that
: >matter?... I'll tell you, a mathematical algorithm, if that same
: >encoding/decoding results can be obtained via a different
algorithm
: >then it does the same job whilst _NOT_ infringing any property
right.
: >
: >It's you who doesn't understand, MPEG-2 codecs are just like MPEG-4
in
: >this respect and well demonstrated by the *different* Dvix and Xvid
: >codecs.
:
: >Please feel free to f*ck off and find a clue...
:
: I understand you are just another ignorant ass, one of many buffoon
: type creatures that infest newsgroups such as this pretending they
: know what they're talking about, yet prove beyond doubt they are
: clueless idiots and babbling morons.
<snip the rest of your lies>

Stop talking about yourself, Buffoon...

If you are correct the owners of the Dvix intellectual property rights
would have shutdown the Xdiv freeware project - they have not because
they can not.

The fact is, one can't protect the *results* of a algorithm, just the
specific algorithm.

Having just looked up the "hope.com" domain I can now see why you are
so keen to mouth off against freeware, vestige interests and all
that - can't have people using free software can we now, it will put
us all out of business...
--
"You obviously couldn't get a clue if you rolled in clue
musk and performed the clue mating dance in the middle
of a field full of horny clues at the height of the
clue mating season!"

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:29 am
From: "Jerry"

Stop talking about yourself, Buffoon...

If you are correct the owners of the Dvix intellectual property rights
would have shutdown the Xdiv freeware project - they have not because
they can not.

The fact is, one can't protect the *results* of a algorithm, just the
specific algorithm.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:29 am
From: "Jerry"

Stop talking about yourself, Buffoon...

If you are correct the owners of the Dvix intellectual property rights
would have shutdown the Xdiv freeware project - they have not because
they can not.

The fact is, one can't protect the *results* of a algorithm, just the
specific algorithm.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 8:49 am
From: glenzabr@xmission.com (GMAN)

In article <glsi49$dfr$1@qmul>, "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@final.front.ear> wrote:
>
>"Rich" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:y9qdnUA7rZgvXhzUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@giganews.com...
>>I often hear people (likely motivated more by envy than anything else)
>> criticize novices who sport expensive DSLRs. I figure it's the same kind
>> of people who dine on steak and feed their kids hotdogs because "the kids
>> can't appreciate the steak fully."
>Isn't that because tehy don;t want to spend that much ion their kids
>or their kids prefer hotdogs I know I did as a kid ;-)
>And I still don;t like steaks I don;t like chewy food or fatty food.
>
>

You do know what hot dogs are made of dont you? "Lips and assholes"

Just watch the movie "The Great Outdoors" with John Candy and Dan Akroyd.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:00 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"D.Mac" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:glu6o5$qh$1@news.albasani.net...
>
>
> <blackmanblues@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:96f9558d-5ecf-4f81-93cd-b0995c904e70@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 28, 5:51 pm, RobinHood@Sherwood_Forest.com wrote:
>>> This is a copy of some info that I found on the web. Tried it and it
>>> does work!!
>>>
>>> First - Download ACPCS4 Trial from Adobe
>>>
>
> It never fails to amaze me the gullibility of people.
>
> Do you really thing Adobe are that stupid?

Is it stupid of them to let some people use it for free, that's the
question.

years ago on ye olde BBC micros there were two mainstream word processors
available both were hardware as in ROM based one was virtually impossible to
copy
the other was very easy, guess which one everyone wanted to use, so guess
which one
we had to buy to support the students that wanted to do word processing.
We brought about 8 copies of the one that could be copied easily and one
copy
of the one that couldn't be copied, no one use the one that couldn't be
copied
because few of the students bothered to find out how to use it.
The average student will find a way of getting copies of most software for
free,
as a training place it's important we have course on things people want to
use.
As with windows the reason windows is the most used[1] is because a lot of
people
copy it and therefore know how to use it, which is advantageous to industry
as they
have a large pool of people that have some idea how to use windows.

The most popular things are those that are copied.
Same with music really.I bet madonna is copied more than you're local bar
band
but I also bet madonna makes more money than the average bar band despite
the huge amount of music sharing.

It's only when those that can and should pay for the products statr usign
pirate copies
is when a company loses money from pirate copies.

Which is why they aren;t too worried about a casual user having a copy.

>
> Sure it works but just wait a few weeks and see what happens to your
> system.
>
> Adobe haven't gotten to be the best and most reliable by letting pirates
> win. We all pay in the end for the theft of a few idiots who don't have
> the brains to use the stuff anyway.
>
> --
> Visit my site: D-Mac.info
> My photos, Information about trolls
> and a little bit of fun too!
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 30 2009 9:27 am
From: "---------------"

Is Canon planning a DLSR that burns clean coal?

"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
news:p8i4o45prrpedun9er01ukcbqqj72jr1tt@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 21:53:27 -0800, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net>
> wrote in <E_CdnceLIa9EqvXUnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>>"Floyd L. Davidson" <floyd@apaflo.com> wrote in message
>>news:87ab9z68ck.fld@apaflo.com...
>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>In the movie, "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", the Mexican
>>>>Bandit said to Humphrey Bogart, "We don't need ANY stinking badges". He
>>>>did
>>>>not use a double negative.
>>>
>>> You too can find a clip of the movie on YouTube.com, where you'll
>>> find that the actual dialog in the movie is,
>>>
>>>
>>> "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges.
>>> I don't have to show you any stinking badges."
>>>
>>> He not only used a double negative, he used it twice.
>>
>>I agree.....I was only considering the last sentence. He does
>>use the double negative in the two preceding sentences. I apologize to
>>John
>>for the misunderstanding........
>
> Thank you. I apologize as well.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> John
> Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others