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TOPIC: Photoshop 7 Fails to Install WIN XP SP3
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/bd78bb5b9570fdda?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:35 am
From: Brooke_Clarke@adobeforums.com

Hi:

Sorry, I thought that the reply to email adobe.photoshop.windows@adobeforums.com
automatically posted responses, but maybe it does not, so I have added them above.

I have disabled Norton AntiVirius so that's not the issue.

Last night I also searched the registry for "photoshop" and found dozens of entries for PS5 and suspect that there's many more registry entries that need to be cleaned. Next I'll look for a PS registry cleaner.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:08 pm
From: Bob Levine

I think you missed my point...Photoshop 7 hasn't been sold through
legitimate retailers for about 6 or 7 years.

There's a high likihood that you've got a pirated copy.

Bob

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:22 am
From: Brooke_Clarke@adobeforums.com

Hi Bob:

It's possible but not likely. It's the retail shrink wrapped box and I'm able to register the serial number on the Adobe web site. I think I can get Adobe support for installation but only M-F 6-5 Pacific time at 800 642-3623.

Is PS7 compatible with WIN XP SP3?

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke

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TOPIC: Wind Filter?!?!
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/3572c6fbb25a386e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:45 am
From: Rob_Keijzer@adobeforums.com

Make sure the menus show their entire content. (Edit - Menus...)

Rob

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:45 am
From: Michael_nash@adobeforums.com

Nvm didn't understand what you said, do you mean reinstall Photoshop?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:31 am
From: Michael_nash@adobeforums.com

Ok just did that but nothing still =/
All of them are viewable but wind isn't even there..

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:00 am
From: Ender@adobeforums.com

Could you give a little info about your system?

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TOPIC: Reflection in a glass
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/10f2d05d8f13a56c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:53 am
From: willie_lawrie@adobeforums.com

Hi Dave,

OMG! you're blessed willie!

Saint Willie has a certain ring to it.

Here is a photo of her older sister Shannon who is eight years old.
I took this photo when she was about four years old.
It's one of my favourites.

<http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1aW6KEsiFVUaAnKS5Pl1tzlHsUrhmZ1>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:06 am
From: Donald_Reese@adobeforums.com

Willie, i had no intention of getting you upset. photoshop is wonderful,but there are times were shooting something better is easier. the shot you just posted is ten times better in my opinion, but if you must do something with that one image,then go for it. sorry to get you riled up.

<http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1sCSxrFO7hrvs25NjYVmwCeJpUQUUP1>

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TOPIC: CS4 lag. What graphic card will it take?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/4eea63c573b83340?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:53 am
From: Michael.Morris@adobeforums.com

1. My screen res is 1900x1200 on my 24 inch wide-screen primary monitor and 1600x1200 on my 21 inch Cintiq tablet
2. 2 monitors of course
3. The only other application listed as running is my web browser. The other processes that are running aren't very resource hungry.

I've changed my Windows theme to Vista Basic, and that's improved the lag situation a small bit when I have Open GL turned on.

Basically, I can't notice it when the brushes are small, and I con only see a slight distortion in the image when flicking it around with the "hand" tool (a horizontal ripple). But with brushes at a larger size (over 180 pixels), I CAN notice the lag.

And when I turn off Open GL, the lag is the same: Not there for smaller brushes, there for brushes over 180 pixels. And moving the image with the hand tool is very jerky and laggy- so that's actually better WITH Open GL on.

Again: My system runs Vista 32 bit. It's a quad-core Pentium, with 4 gig of ram, and a GTX 8800 Nvidia card.

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TOPIC: Photoshop CS4 - How to install both 64 and 32 bit versions on XP 64
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/9f4166adaa27cacd?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 6:59 am
From: Paul_Dee@adobeforums.com

I did look in both directories. The problem is/was that I do not normally install my apps to the C drive, which is of course what the installer expects to do. So when I specified the directory, in my case F, it installed the 64-bit version to the F:\Program Files directory but did not install the 32 bit version to my F:\Program FIles (x86) directory. It also did not install to C:\Program Files (x86)which, I presume, explains why it listed Photoshop CS4 as "Available" in the installer when I went back to try and install it.

As I said, I appreciate Ender's response but it implicitly assumed -despite evidence to the contrary vis-a-vis my question- that I do not know that there would be two distinct installations. Further, the fact that the 32 bit app was still listed as available in the installer (uniquely so, I might add) is evidence that the installer itself did not locate the 32 bit version, though it obviously found everything else.

I have solved the problem so there's really no point in continuing this thread. I hope that my solution helps out anyone else who encounters this issue.

Thanks,
Paul

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 3:06 pm
From: Bob Levine

> the erroneous impression that PS CS4 will not run correctly on XP 64.

It's not that it won't run correctly...it's that it may not run
correctly. It was not tested under XP64 and so all bets are off.

Honestly, I can understand people sticking with XP for 32 bit but it's
just boggles my mind that people want to use XP64.

I'll step down from soapbox now.

Bob

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:53 am
From: Paul_Dee@adobeforums.com

Honestly, I can understand people sticking with XP for 32 bit but it's
just boggles my mind that people want to use XP64.

I'll step down from soapbox now.

I can explain very quickly why I use XP 64:
- 8 gigs RAM
- don't like Vista

XP 64 is extremely robust and generally anything that runs on 32 will run on 64, with the exception (in my case) of Cisco's VPN client.

In truth I have a very capable development/server machine that dual boots Windows Server 2003 R2/Windows XP 32 and I can obviously install CS4 on that, but once you get used to that extra RAM it is very hard to go back. I run Visual Studio (a resource HAWG) plus most/all CS apps simultaneously plus other stuff all the time without a hitch.

Paul

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:07 am
From: Ender@adobeforums.com

a) I never said it wouldn't work for XP64. It just wasn't built for it, it will likely have errors. Most people can get PS 7 installed on Vista, but that doesn't mean it's going to behave right.

b) You didn't even MENTION in your original post the critical information that your not installing to the default location. I only know how it's going to behave in the place that most everyone else is installing.

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TOPIC: Photoshop CS4 is a disaster
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/e9e63cd766f5577f?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:14 am
From: David_Nicol@adobeforums.com

Someone else mentioned DirectX. Adam, have you considered this? I'm not at all knowledgeable about DirectX. But I checked my system and it shows I have directX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904), with numerous dll files dated between February 2006 and April 2008. A search of Microsoft's website shows an August 2008 installer for 9.24.1400 and November 2008 installer for 9.25.1476. These do not show up, even as optional updates, on the Microsoft Update page. Which leads me to question whether there are different versions of DirectX installed on different Windows XP installations, depending on when Windows was installed.

Just a thought, since DirectX version was a major issue in a non-Adobe animation program I use.

And to those who speculate that the lag is happening on "dirty" systems... I am not a regular Photoshop forum user, but I work hard to keep my system clean and lean, avoid spyware-laden resource-hungry programs like Real Media, never install anything I don't need or never use (like Adobe Drive and Version Cue), don't visit dodgy websites, and so on. When I work in Photoshop, usually no other program is open except sometimes Bridge and/or Premiere. Yet I experience huge lag in Photoshop CS4, even with a new file with a single blank layer that I try drawing in. The problem is within Photoshop CS4.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:27 am
From: dave_milbut@adobeforums.com

And to those who speculate that the lag is happening on "dirty" systems...

of course there are people like you who take the time to do the work to keep their systems running optimally. the point freeagent made and i agreed with is that in general, those who hang out here are almost all of that group, where as outside the percent who care to keep their systems running smooth if it goes beyong an occasional virus or spyware scan is very small indeed.

no disparagement intended, david. just an observation.

this is not to say that there aren't problems with certain configurations. bugs in inside code, outside code and plugins and drivers, etc. and problems with interactions of the multitude of components that go into making up the windows market.

they're being worked on, as in past releases. and this care is shown by the influx of adobe engineers and support staff that have been flooding this forum recently with offers to help track down problems and offering explanations. i know it sucks to keep hearing things like "update the video driver", and "write the card manufacturer", but if the past is any indication (and i've been here from version 5.5 and every release since then) most of these problems WILL work out sooner rather than later.

pax,
dave

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:43 am
From: Freeagent@adobeforums.com

I was talking statistics, not particulars. Anyway, Dave explained it better than I did.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:52 am
From: David_E_Crawford@adobeforums.com

Freeagent:

Yes, companies put a lot of bloatware in their computers (as it is sometimes called) that may not mesh with other software that is installed later. I have seen it with patches to make their software work with on board sound or even video.
When you process a laptop or computer for repair the first thing the company tells you, that if need be to get your computer running, they will wipe your hard drive, and restore it to factory specs. It even reads that in the paperwork you receive with the system. They have no obligation what so ever.

I build my own systems because I upgrade. It is alot cheaper, in the long run, for me to do so. Everything I have learned is from reading books and visiting forums like this one. Computers are like a hobby for me. What I learned is to research before I buy so that I know before hand that what is bought will work with my system.

I take care of my systems. Keep them warm and clean. Yes I keep my system updated but I also do system restore points because some updates just break things that worked before.

Yup, lots of software that will not run on my vista 64 bit machine correctly (Or at all). Ran on the 32 bit version. But I knew this before I went 64 bit.

Yes, I am a technical type of person who wants to know why something works. It is in my blood and I enjoy the heck out of it.

Yes, store bought systems can be upgraded to a point. But a lot of vendors will put a fix on their systems to make things run. I bought a Dell computer years ago. The on board sound would not work without their little fix to their software. That was a mess when a new sound driver came up. Also the RAM that I ordered and paid for was not in the motherboard. Dell had put in cheaper, slower running ram. I found this out when a stick went bad. Dell refused to give me the ram that I ordered. I was past the one year point. That was enough for me.

So that day forward I have built and upgraded my own systems. I know what is in the case!!

There is just so much to learn and do.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:52 am
From: "Phos±four dots"

When Chris keeps saying something like "update the drivers" he's just suggesting good, standard troubleshooting procedure. The types of problems many are citing point toward outdated or corrupt drivers as a possible cause, and may likely be something Adam J and the other members of the QA team noticed as they were testing. Eliminate problems one-by-one so that the playing field becomes more level, and so that one can methodically work toward zeroing in on a qualifiable cause.

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TOPIC: wacom tablet + CS4 + No pressure sensitivity
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/6c0eaa75555008f5?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 7:33 am
From: Aldemar_Hernández@adobeforums.com

The issue with the Genius Mouse PEn Series is in these Videos. youtube Rejected but you can see the problem with Detail:(is the same so you can choose)

<http://rapidshare.com/files/161278212/ss1_Screen_Stream.avi>
<http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HJ32MKQ0>

Sorry for the language but you can see it and is clear the problem. In the Meantime I send Feedback to Genius awaiting an answer

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TOPIC: CS4 auto resize document window?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/da6fc01084f8e427?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:05 am
From: Ken_Kahn@adobeforums.com

In CS3, the document window abutted the palette (panel) stack and expanded automatically when I collapsed the stack. How do I make CS4 (Windows XP) do this?

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TOPIC: CS4 not recognizing added memory
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/d3b81f33e231429d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:10 am
From: Ender@adobeforums.com

No,no.

You can only use 2.25gig TOTAL. That means all your apps put together. Windows may say that it can see your 4 gigs, but your only getting a portion of it.

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TOPIC: Reading Preferences taking forever
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/b2e823fae7ac45ed?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:13 am
From: Gernot_Hoffmann@adobeforums.com

Preferences are something beyond Information Technology.
They don't obey common programming laws. One should consider
them as a kind of witchcraft.
Whereas a program file or a data file is never corrupted (at
least not here in the recent 10 years, with the exception of
one hard disk crash), a preference file is easily corrupted
simply by using somewhat modified preferences.
Twins of Preferences are Fonts. These can be corrupted as well,
but nobody knows why and how. Opposed to Preferences, Fonts
can be considered as Read-Only files, though not literally
defined as such.

Adober users had learned to respect the somewhat fragile or
volatile characters of these obscure twins.
My hope is, that Adobe users will shout once (in near future)
unisono:
As long as these idiotic problems are not cleared away, we are
refusing to update & upgrade.

Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann

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TOPIC: Vector data HEAVIER than pixel data... why?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/02c12ce0cd9b6ee4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:14 am
From: "Evan Deez"

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here?

I'm trying to send a booklet to get printed at an outside printer.

First thing I did with one of the PSD files (the booklet is divided in
"sheets") is convert all type to shape, so there are no problem font issues.

Then I flattened all image layers to save space.

Result : 35 MB file, which includes one layer for the pixel data, and a few
for the type, which is now uneditable due to being converted to shape.

So far so good.

Then I try saving this 35 mb PSD file as a PDF file (which the printers now
insist on) but the resulting file is gigantic. 900 MB! Not because of the
pixel data (I've set Acrobat to not upsample or downsample in any way) but
because of the vector data (formerly the text portions).

One of the "sheets" has as many as 16 layers of vector data (which I'd
combine if I could, but Photoshop doesn't seem to allow it, other than
combining as a smart object, which rasterizes on the output - a bad thing).
Removing the vector data and saving again confirms that these layers are the
culprits.

Why is vector data several times heavier than pixel data in a PDF file? This
makes no sense. How am I supposed to deliver this thing to the printer at
900mb per sheet, when 35mb was enough in PSD format?

Can anyone shed some light here?

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TOPIC: Photoshop CS4 Crashing Consistantly
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/browse_thread/thread/d1b2496533409eb6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 8 2008 8:17 am
From: Ender@adobeforums.com

a) See if it happens on a new admin account. Just go into Control Panel and make a new one to test to see if it happens there.

b) Remove ALL 3rd party plugins. That means your PS Plug-ins folder should have only 12 folders total remaining in it. See if it happens then.

c) Go to Start. Type MSConfig into your Start Search bar and press Enter.

In the system configuration utility click on the services tab. Check the box that says hide all Microsoft services. Press Disable All. Put a check back into the service called FlexNet Licensing Service. Click on the Startup tab. Press Disable All here as well. Press OK. Restart your computer when it asks. Now see if it happens this way, too.

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