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Today's topics:
* The Shot Seen 'Round the World - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/15107f2ca666bb2e?hl=en
* New Olympus EP-1 beats D3 at low ISO - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/ca418075fb445b10?hl=en
* Anything for the Perfect Shot - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/060da06a542937ca?hl=en
* Running OS X on my PC!!! - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/bb50fbf2b3ff2f37?hl=en
* Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use in firmware - 7
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/79623194af1b296b?hl=en
* Rebel T1i exposure questons - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4f34ea9e0c2655cd?hl=en
* How To Detect Snapshooters from Photographers - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1415c1c3e6a92134?hl=en
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TOPIC: The Shot Seen 'Round the World
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/15107f2ca666bb2e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:25 am
From: "PDM"
>> >> >Basketball is an American invention, which became internationally
>> >> >popular. It's probably the world's most widespread team sport, in
>> >> >fact.
Is basketball an American invention? It's been around in the UK for a very
very long time but under the name of netball. The rules are basically the
same. Ditto baseball, in UK called rounders.
PDM
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:53 am
From: John McWilliams
Chris H wrote:
> I would bet that there is more soccer played in the USA than American
> Football (or basball or basketball) is played outside the USA.
While I'd take that bet, who bloody cares? Soccer/football is an effete
game, played by cheaters.
If you have interesting photos of the game being played, OTOH, I'd like
to see them.
--
john mcwilliams
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:31 am
From: Chris H
In message <h22r2j$k8c$1@news.eternal-september.org>, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> writes
>Chris H wrote:
>
>> I would bet that there is more soccer played in the USA than American
>> Football (or basball or basketball) is played outside the USA.
>
>While I'd take that bet, who bloody cares? Soccer/football is an effete
>game, played by cheaters.
Can't argue with that. My family play rugby
>If you have interesting photos of the game being played, OTOH, I'd like
>to see them.
Used to have a web site full of then. I did the team web site for
several years.
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:34 am
From: Chris H
In message <4a44e863$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, PDM <pdcm99@[de
letethisbit].invalid> writes
>
>>> >> >Basketball is an American invention, which became internationally
>>> >> >popular. It's probably the world's most widespread team sport, in
>>> >> >fact.
>
>Is basketball an American invention? It's been around in the UK for a very
>very long time but under the name of netball. The rules are basically the
>same. Ditto baseball, in UK called rounders.
As played by girls.
I prefer Rugby... it's like American football but for men. I.e. no
armour and only 3 substitutions. Not separate teams for offence and
defence.
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TOPIC: New Olympus EP-1 beats D3 at low ISO
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/ca418075fb445b10?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:32 am
From: "PDM"
"RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1368505-65e2-4a72-ba8a-e8a15524b500@l32g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> Honest! :)
>
> See what the EP-1 can do with a scene with no DR and no moving parts?
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=32227706
No moving parts? What about the release button, and the lens release button
and all the other buttons, et al
PDM
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TOPIC: Anything for the Perfect Shot
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/060da06a542937ca?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:42 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:06:14 +0100, "whisky-dave"
<whisky-dave@final.front.ear> wrote in <h22oac$o4r$1@qmul>:
>"Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:C6edncmWUNPwztnXnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Oh. This would be good advice, were I to have a F-ing manual, but alas,
>> this is not the case. I do not even have the same machine I purchased.
>> That one didn't work, so I had to replace the motherboard and CPU chip
>> with another one. I do, however, have a good book on Windows VISTA. Now,
>> if I only had the time to read it.........
>
>That's one advantage of the Mac OS X you don't really need a manual.
>...
Baloney.
Follow-up set to alt.mindless.mac.advocacy
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:45 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:19 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
wrote in <4a446d53$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>Savageduck wrote:
>> Well that's Vista for ya!
>
>Indeed.
My tech clueless girlfriend uses it without difficulty.
>> Time to sell that machine, put your feet up, and find a good book to read.
>
>Personally, I'd upgrade it to XP.
Personally, I'd upgrade to Windows 7 (if the system exceeds the minimum
system requirements).
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:25 am
From: George Kerby
On 6/26/09 10:45 AM, in article 86r945tse9h7o57tel1d380hfl23to0pop@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:40:19 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
> wrote in <4a446d53$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>
>>> Well that's Vista for ya!
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> My tech clueless girlfriend uses it without difficulty.
>
Stop bragging about your left hand.
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TOPIC: Running OS X on my PC!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/bb50fbf2b3ff2f37?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:41 am
From: "whisky-dave"
"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:B9qW5PM5DMRKFAI1@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> In message <h22eau$ktf$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
> dave@final.front.ear> writes
>>
>>"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>news:ObQ1QlNUW6QKFACN@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> If you don't know the basic nuts and bolts of
>>>>> your computer you shouldn't be allowed to use one.
>>>>Do yuo know how to program .
>>>
>>> Yes. But that is only superficial.
>>
>>What I meant is that you don;t have to know about the nuts & bolts
>>in order to use them. I'm pretty sure those that do the the CGI
>>for film compoaies arent; relly worried that their disc drive is held in
>>place by 4 M3 screws, or whther their drive is ATA or SATA.
>
> Oh... You really were thinking superficially... I was thinking of HD
> controllers, how the caches work (internally) etc
Well a couple of weeks ago I had to dismantle 30 or so old PCs
ready for disposal, 2 days of fun that was.
>>>>Usually I fix a problem by getting rid or any Microsoft applications.
>>>
>>> Then none of my other applications would work.
>>I've had photoshop and lots of other things running on a Mac without any
>>MS software installed.
>
> On macs yes but much of my SW won't run on a mac.
Oh right but are you sure about that, as I have XP running on my intel iMac,
I thought it'd be a challenge. It tries to install SP3 but tells me I need
4MB more space
for unistalling ....... With 21.5GB free space on a 32GB drive.
So I deleted a few 100megs of a game installer and tried agin, come up with
the same
error message.
>>> BTW I run WS Office on the Macs as well as the PCs.
>>Me too, but the last problem I had on a Mac was because someone had
>>installed
>>some fonts 'from word' from their PC to the Mac version.
>
> Never had a problem with that.
>
>>Cause all sorts of freezes, so I just deleted those fonts and everything
>>was
>>fine.
>>The user didnt; remember which fonts, but I was lucky in that the
>>offending
>>fonts
>>all had creation dates of April 1st 1976.
>
> Just look for last modification date.
Well I was suspicious as we didn;t have any PCs in 1976.
In fact the first PC was about 1981 or so.
So that made me suspicious and that the fonts might be a virus or Trojan.
>>I then asked why she wanted them in particular and she said "a friend
>>gave them to me and we couldn't get them to work on her PC so I thought
>>I'd try them on my Mac :-0.
>
> There is one born every.......
Second at least, possibly more :-)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:06 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:37:13 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote
in <B9qW5PM5DMRKFAI1@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>:
>In message <h22eau$ktf$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
>dave@final.front.ear> writes
>>I doubt they'll ever have to manually set IP numbers up.
>
>I don't use DHCP All ours are set up manually.
Yuck. Why???
I get a fair amount of business from folks that set up networks
manually, and call me for help when things go wrong.
>>Me too, but the last problem I had on a Mac was because someone had
>>installed
>>some fonts 'from word' from their PC to the Mac version.
>
>Never had a problem with that.
Indeed -- shouldn't be a problem.
>>Cause all sorts of freezes, so I just deleted those fonts and everything was
>>fine.
>>The user didnt; remember which fonts, but I was lucky in that the offending
>>fonts
>>all had creation dates of April 1st 1976.
That explains it.
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:38 am
From: Chris H
In message <t9s945te51p7tuc8rernod02b10g57jd8a@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> writes
>On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:37:13 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote
>in <B9qW5PM5DMRKFAI1@phaedsys.demon.co.uk>:
>
>>In message <h22eau$ktf$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
>>dave@final.front.ear> writes
>
>>>I doubt they'll ever have to manually set IP numbers up.
>>
>>I don't use DHCP All ours are set up manually.
>
>Yuck. Why???
The system is a little more secure (strict mac binding) and some kit we
have uses manual IP
>I get a fair amount of business from folks that set up networks
>manually, and call me for help when things go wrong.
Well I won't be doing that. I much prefer a manual system.
>>>Cause all sorts of freezes, so I just deleted those fonts and everything was
>>>fine.
>>>The user didnt; remember which fonts, but I was lucky in that the offending
>>>fonts
>>>all had creation dates of April 1st 1976.
>
>That explains it.
As was pointed out elsewhere the first PC was 1981 or there abouts....
Come to that what small computers (ie non-IBM PC) were about in 1976
that would use font files?
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TOPIC: Boycott Panasonic cameras - forced proprietary battery use in firmware
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/79623194af1b296b?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:48 am
From: John Navas
On 26 Jun 2009 12:17:39 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
in <7ajsj3F1vdl3nU3@mid.individual.net>:
>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> GPS chipsets in continuous operation will drain a couple of AA batteries
>> in 8-16 hours. I personally don't consider that "negligible",
>> especially in a compact camera, but as always, YMMV.
>
>Garmin's latest receivers can do a lot better than that while running
>a colour display at the same time. And there are ways of using those
>chip sets intermittently to get instant hot start without having to be
>on all the time, which reduces power consumption a lot more.
Garmin GPSMAP 176/176C
Power Source: Four AA batteries (not included)
Battery life: 4 to 16 hours based on backlight setting
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:50 am
From: John Navas
On 26 Jun 2009 12:20:22 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
in <7ajso6F1vdl3nU4@mid.individual.net>:
>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> There is no such thing as an "instant" fix.
>> Anything less than 30 secs is a guess.
>
>So you find the 15 secs warm start often cited for Garmin's latest
>receivers (when not using WAAS) to be an exaggeration?
What you get in 15 secs is a rough fix, which gets refined as the
receiver gets more data.
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:55 am
From: John Navas
On 26 Jun 2009 12:13:44 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
in <7ajsboF1vdl3nU2@mid.individual.net>:
>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> Thank you, but I'm thoroughly familiar with how to use GPS -- I'd even
>> be willing to bet that I have far more hours of experience than you do,
>> since I routinely use it for marine navigation.
>
>There aren't many trees in the sea :-)
I also hike, but of course you're just being "cute".
>> The problem with tree cover is that GPS in a camera, the point of this
>> increasingly silly discussion, would be turned off except when taking
>> pictures, so would have to make a new fix when the camera is turned on.
>
>Not necessarily. You seem to be unaware of the way such long batterey
>life instant response GPS systems can work. They can for example run a
>cycle of turning on briefly to maintain lock, so that they can do an
>instant hot start when required, without having to be on all the time.
I'm familiar with how they work.
>> Or are you suggesting the camera would be draining its battery by
>> keeping the GPS turned on all the time, and that users should be
>> expected to manually acquire new birds from time to time?
>
>It's also the case that the very latest GPS chip sets consume very
>much less power than their predecessors, and wouldn't add much extra
>drain to a camera if left fully active all the time the camera was on.
Simply not workable, for fairly obvious reasons.
>There are plenty of technology options now available to solve these
>problems, and sufficient well-established demand for low power fast
>response GPS in other applications to fund their development outside
>of in-camera market demands.
If there were, we'd undoubtedly be seeing such products flooding the
market, yet we don't. What we do see is cell phones with GPS and
(mostly) A-GPS, mostly because of mandated E-911 positioning, and
powered only when the cell phone is on, yet still a battery drain.
(The difference in battery life of my TM506 with A-GPS on and off is
easily noticeable.)
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 8:56 am
From: John Navas
On 26 Jun 2009 12:53:07 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
in <7ajuljF1vdfoiU1@mid.individual.net>:
>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On 25 Jun 2009 10:28:07 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
>> in <7ah1pnF1uvl3aU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>>But most people use their GPS units in ignorant auto mode, just as
>>>most people use their cameras :-)
>
>> There's nothing "ignorant" about using something as it's designed and
>> intended to be used. By your definition pretty much everyone is
>> "ignorant".
>
>I have a camera with both fully auto and fully manual modes. It's
>designed to be used in either way. I have a GPS unit which can be left
>to acquire satellites on their own, or assisted manually where there
>are problems such as under dense tree cover.
>
>You can't learn how to operate a DSLR fully manually just from the
>instruction book, nor can you learn how to operate an advanced GPS
>unit fully manually from the instruction book. But both devices were
>designed to be able to be used in such ways by knowledgeable expert
>users.
>
>I think it is quite reasonable to call someone ignorant who has a
>professional quality device designed for expert as well as novice auto
>use but who knows nothing beyond the auto use. "Not knowing" is
>what "ignorant" literally means.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:01 am
From: John Navas
On 26 Jun 2009 11:37:52 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
in <7ajq8gF207mb8U1@mid.individual.net>:
>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On 25 Jun 2009 10:02:52 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote
>> in <7ah0acF1v1pocU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>>> A-GPS units can use tower triangulation to supplement GPS signals.
>>>
>>>They can't use triangulation since the towers don't know angles.
>
>> Not precise angles, but usually a sector.
>
>>>They
>>>could do trilateralisation by using signal strength as a rough
>>>approximation to distance. ...
>
>> Wireless position systems actually include:
>> * Angle of arrival (AOA)
>> * Time difference of arrival (TDOA)
>> * Location signature
>> * GPS
>> * Assisted GPS (A-GPS)
>> * Advanced Forward Link Trilateration (A-FLT)
>> * Timing Advance/Network Measurement Report (TA/NMR)
>> * Enhanced Observed Time Difference (E-OTD)
>
>I keep asking you what the actual phone location system you have in
>your hand does, and how well,
Really? Where (by Message-Id)?
>and you persist in replying with general
>specifications of what it might be able to do if everything possible
>had been implemented, which may not be the case with whatever you
>have.
I persist in giving complete answers in the hope they might curtail
otherwise endless back and forth. But alas...
>Is what your phone actually does compared to what some other
>phone somewhere else might be able to do so embarrassing?
Do you really think slurs are the way to have a constructive discussion?
If you don't know how T-Mobile does E-911 positioning, and that matters
to you, then I suggest you do some homework.
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:04 am
From: "David J Taylor"
John Navas wrote:
> On 26 Jun 2009 12:17:39 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
> wrote in <7ajsj3F1vdl3nU3@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems John Navas
>> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> GPS chipsets in continuous operation will drain a couple of AA
>>> batteries in 8-16 hours. I personally don't consider that
>>> "negligible", especially in a compact camera, but as always, YMMV.
>>
>> Garmin's latest receivers can do a lot better than that while running
>> a colour display at the same time. And there are ways of using those
>> chip sets intermittently to get instant hot start without having to
>> be
>> on all the time, which reduces power consumption a lot more.
>
> Garmin GPSMAP 176/176C
> Power Source: Four AA batteries (not included)
> Battery life: 4 to 16 hours based on backlight setting
GPSMAP 176 - "This product has been discontinued"
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=140#gpsmap176
Hardly the latest.
David
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:16 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:04:02 GMT, "David J Taylor"
<david-taylor@blueyonder.not-this-part.nor-this.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
<Sj61m.48055$OO7.29699@text.news.virginmedia.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> Garmin GPSMAP 176/176C
>> Power Source: Four AA batteries (not included)
>> Battery life: 4 to 16 hours based on backlight setting
>
>GPSMAP 176 - "This product has been discontinued"
>https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=140#gpsmap176
>Hardly the latest.
What I actually meant to look up was the 76Cx, but fair enough, albeit
nothing in rebuttal.
Garmin GPSMAP 76Cx
Battery: 2 AA batteries (not included)
Battery life: 18 hours, typical
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
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TOPIC: Rebel T1i exposure questons
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4f34ea9e0c2655cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:06 am
From: John McWilliams
ransley wrote:
> I am trying to take a photo of a house in basicly 50% shade with a
> section of roof in sun, the section off roof in sun overexposes. Would
> the Highlight Priority or Auto Lighting Optimiser help, Would HDR
> help. How do I easily set myself up to get even exposures. I am using
> factory settings.
Wait until you have an overcast day, or try early morning, or evening.
Seriously.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:32 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:16:48 -0700 (PDT), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@Yahoo.com> wrote in
<879f9304-e9a7-41ef-b26d-ed8242046a1d@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com>:
>I am trying to take a photo of a house in basicly 50% shade with a
>section of roof in sun, the section off roof in sun overexposes. Would
>the Highlight Priority or Auto Lighting Optimiser help, Would HDR
>help. How do I easily set myself up to get even exposures. I am using
>factory settings.
HDR is a simple and easy solution.
Take 3-5 shots at a 1 EV interval.
Combine them with HDR software.
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
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TOPIC: How To Detect Snapshooters from Photographers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1415c1c3e6a92134?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:06 am
From: ASAAR
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:05:38 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> Life is way too short to waste doing something you don't need to
>>> do, and which gives you no pleasure.
>>
>> Then why have you been posting so many defensive replies in this
>> thread? Is writing them more pleasurable than trimming? You've
>> used that "ticking of the clock" argument for at least 5 years and
>> you're still here. It'll probably be many more years before the
>> grim reaper trims your wide butt. Then we'll expect to see "But
>> most of all, I did it *my* way" engraved on your tombstone. :)
>
>
> Is writing them more pleasurable than trimming? DARN RIGHT!
> If I have been using that ticking clock for 5 years, that means I have 5
> years less left than when I started it, for certain.
> It's summer, and I am not working (substitute teacher for fun and
> profit), so maybe I will invest a few minutes snipping, but don't bet
> the rent on it.
Ok, fair enough, and this reply of yours was even nicely formed,
with interspersed counterpoints following points. It's a good thing
I didn't hit a key to jump to the bottom of your reply or I would
have missed much of what you had to say. :)
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:22 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:11:01 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote in <2o2dnao1ePgLH9nXnZ2dnUVZ_jJi4p2d@giganews.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> When you act like a dick, expect to get treated like one.
>>
>Feel free, John, but then you have acted even worse from time to time.
I'm no worse than I think you are isn't a terribly good defense. ;)
--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:24 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:28:50 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote in <Au6dnewQ4sRZG9nXnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>ASAAR wrote:
>> That only shows how inconsiderate and self centered you are. You
>> *incorrectly* assume that anyone reading your replies also assumes
>> that your replies are always contained at the very bottom of your
>> posts. Very often replies from others are scattered between long
>> quotes, and immediately skipping to the bottom guarantees that most
>> of the new text contained in the reply will never be seen. As I
>> hinted in my previous reply, trimming the unnecessary quotes can be
>> quick and easy if you're bright enough to figure out how to do it,
>> no matter how limited your newsreader is. Mine may be easier, as it
>> can quote only the text that's highlighted, but that's not the
>> point. It's much quicker than scrolling down through hundreds of
>> lines to make sure that any pertinent parts of your replies aren't
>> missed, which is the burden you impose on those that are patient
>> enough to read your replies. Had you been royalty, I suppose your
>> adopted motto would be "Let them eat cake."
>
>What you describe, interspersed posting, is especially difficult to
>snip, and may lead to increased confusion about who said what.
Lame excuse -- actually quite easy in most cases.
>Perhaps, when the next release of my software comes out (it's supposed
>to have the ability to quote only selected text, but then they have
>promised that before, so....) I will do more snipping, or maybe not.
Likewise lame -- there's no real issue in the current version of
Thunderbird.
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Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:26 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:05:38 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote in <i6mdndhU7Y4uSNnXnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com>:
>Is writing them more pleasurable than trimming? DARN RIGHT!
Why, since you claim you don't care if anyone reads it?
"The lad doth protest too much methinks!"
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Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 26 2009 9:27 am
From: John Navas
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:20:59 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
wrote in <4a4492fc@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>Ron Hunter wrote:
>> Her is what trimming looks like. It takes 10 times as long, and results
>> in little information for the person who reads the post. What were we
>> talking about? Sigh.
>
>So you quote a few lines & trim the rest. Really, it's not exactly
>rocket science.
Unless you do your very best to make it so.
Try trimming with your eyes closed and you'll see how hard it can be.
;)
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John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)
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