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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: Publicly accessible directory?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 11:57 pm
From: Joyce of Pendle

Darren Salt wrote:

> Something about this thread is making me think s/joyhus/derek/...

You must be joking!

Oops! I've been using my alt.* sig-file:(

So in this segment:
> sudo groupadd joyhus
> sudo gpasswd -a joyce joyhus
> sudo gpasswd -a husband joyhus
> sudo mkdir /var/pendl
> sudo chgrp joyhus /var/pendl
> sudo chmod g+w /var/pendl
should those passwords be our login passwords, or a new one
for the group?

> > Because it was midnight, because I don't really understand
> > permissions,

> I'm fairly sure that you should understand (from *access) read,
> write, lock, at least for "the user" [...]

Oh, I understand *about* permissions (and about writing C programs)
but I don't have the syntax (like changing from Atom to BBC B). Also,
I remember perfectly well having a command line and no gui (our first
A3000 was bought in 1981), but I *prefer* using the desktop.

Joyce.

--
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Powerbase Support http://www.boulsworth.co.uk/
running Select 4.37 with 64M RAM plus 2M VRAM on SA RPC
learning Ubuntu, VRPC-A & Windows XP on a RISCube tower

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 1:36 am
From: Joyce of Pendle

In article <503729b8f9pendle@invalid.invalid>, I wrote:

> So in this segment:
> > sudo groupadd joyhus
> > sudo gpasswd -a joyce joyhus
> > sudo gpasswd -a husband joyhus
> > sudo mkdir /var/pendl
> > sudo chgrp joyhus /var/pendl
> > sudo chmod g+w /var/pendle

The code is by Mark Hobley; thank you, I intend to use it.

--
Joyce.

--
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- Acorn user since 1973
with Ubuntu 8.10 on 2nd disc - total newbie in Linux

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 9:59 am
From: Tim Greer

Joyce of Pendle wrote:

> Darren Salt wrote:
>
>> Something about this thread is making me think s/joyhus/derek/...
>
> You must be joking!
>
> Oops! I've been using my alt.* sig-file:(
>
> So in this segment:
>> sudo groupadd joyhus
>> sudo gpasswd -a joyce joyhus
>> sudo gpasswd -a husband joyhus
>> sudo mkdir /var/pendl
>> sudo chgrp joyhus /var/pendl
>> sudo chmod g+w /var/pendl
> should those passwords be our login passwords, or a new one
> for the group?

man gpasswd
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 10:32 am
From: Darren Salt

I demand that Joyce of Pendle may or may not have written...

> Darren Salt wrote:
>> Something about this thread is making me think s/joyhus/derek/...

(Hmm, close. Got the first part wrong.)

> You must be joking!
> Oops! I've been using my alt.* sig-file:(

You have too many spaces after the "--" ;-)

> So in this segment:

>> sudo groupadd joyhus
>> sudo gpasswd -a joyce joyhus
>> sudo gpasswd -a husband joyhus
>> sudo mkdir /var/pendl
>> sudo chgrp joyhus /var/pendl
>> sudo chmod g+w /var/pendl

> should those passwords be our login passwords, or a new one for the group?

Using gpasswd there is a bit misleading. Noting the Debian derivative
reference in your .sig:

sudo adduser $USER $GROUP

>>> Because it was midnight, because I don't really understand
>>> permissions,
>> I'm fairly sure that you should understand (from *access) read,
>> write, lock, at least for "the user" [...]

> Oh, I understand *about* permissions (and about writing C programs) but I
> don't have the syntax (like changing from Atom to BBC B).

$ man chmod
$ man chown
$ man chgrp

Using symbolic permissions with chmod is easier – particularly 'X', if you're
doing things like recursively removing execute permissions – but recognising
the 3-digit forms is still *very* useful. (The fourth digit isn't often seen,
IME.)

> Also, I remember perfectly well having a command line and no gui

You might encounter that on occasion should X crash. (Which is very
unlikely.)

> (our first A3000 was bought in 1981),

That sounds... at least 8 years too early...

> but I *prefer* using the desktop.

I always have some terminal windows open; some things are just faster that
way.

flattery: n. Telling a person exactly what he thinks of himself.

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TOPIC: Strange Thunderbird IMAP problem
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 2:08 am
From: Roberto Divia

John Thompson wrote:
> I have 2 computers here running linux nd using Thunderbird for email.
> One is a laptop, running Vectorlinux-4.2; the other is a desktop,
> running Fedora 10 x86_64. Thunderbird is configured identically on both
> to ccess to separate IMAP accounts. Until this morning, both worked
> fine. Now the Fedora machine can no longer access my gmail IMAP account;
> it times out without establishing the connection. My laptop can still
> connect perfectly well.
[...]

Hi John,
see is this helps:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=409259

An easy workaround is to increase the network timeout from 60 to something much
higher (depends on your imap server and on your connection). This while waiting
for Thunderbird to be fixed. Ah, it applies to Thunderbird 2.0.*...

Ciao,
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 3:05 am
From: Maxwell Lol

John Thompson <john@vector.os2.dhs.org> writes:

> Another, perhaps related anomaly on the Fedora machine: xterm no longer
> accepts input from the keyboard. Gnome Terminal works fine. Konsole
> works fine. XFCE Terminal works fine. aterm works fine. xterm doesn't. I
> recompiled xterm from sources and reinstalled it. Still no joy.
> Everything other terminal program I try works; xterm doesn't. This
> again is new behavior since rebooting after Fedora's updates this
> morning.

This is an example why I don't like Fedora for personal use.
Workings systems stop when updated.

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TOPIC: Do the patent commons have an impact?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 2:27 am
From: lici

I am currently doing some research for university on the OSDL Patent
Commons Project.
and I`m interested if and in which way the project has had an impact
on OSS developers` situation.
Did you experience a danger of being sued for your work? Did this
change in some way due to the commons?
Many thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Cheers,
Eva

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TOPIC: fetchmail flush only certain messages
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 3:50 am
From: strycat@yahoo.com

On Mar 4, 10:05 pm, John Hasler <j...@dhh.gt.org> wrote:
> strycat writes:
> > I have a POP3 mailbox from my webhost. I have gmail check the mailbox and
> > leave the messages on the server. Twice a day I have my home computer
> > (Fedora - please don't hold that against me) use fetchmail to download
> > and remove the messages from the POP3 mailbox.
> > The problem is that there is a short period where if a message is
> > received by the POP3 mailbox it will only end up on my Fedora computer
> > and not make it to gmail.
>
> Have you considered having Gmail clean out the mailbox and then having
> Fetchmail download the messages from Gmail?

Thanks. I didn't realize I could download from gmail.

> --
> John Hasler
> j...@dhh.gt.org
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, WI USA

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 5:01 am
From: strycat@yahoo.com

On Mar 5, 6:50 am, stry...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 4, 10:05 pm, John Hasler <j...@dhh.gt.org> wrote:
>
> > strycat writes:
> > > I have a POP3 mailbox from my webhost. I have gmail check the mailbox and
> > > leave the messages on the server. Twice a day I have my home computer
> > > (Fedora - please don't hold that against me) use fetchmail to download
> > > and remove the messages from the POP3 mailbox.
> > > The problem is that there is a short period where if a message is
> > > received by the POP3 mailbox it will only end up on my Fedora computer
> > > and not make it to gmail.
>
> > Have you considered having Gmail clean out the mailbox and then having
> > Fetchmail download the messages from Gmail?
>
> Thanks. I didn't realize I could download from gmail.
>

Oh wait no. It seems that fetchmail will only download the message I
haven't read in gmail :( If I give it the -a option then it downloads
everything including stuff it downloaded previously.

Any other ideas?

Thanks in advance.

> > --
> > John Hasler
> > j...@dhh.gt.org
> > Dancing Horse Hill
> > Elmwood, WI USA

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 5:38 am
From: John Hasler

strycat writes:
> Oh wait no. It seems that fetchmail will only download the message I
> haven't read in gmail :( If I give it the -a option then it downloads
> everything including stuff it downloaded previously.

I'm not sure what you are saying here, but in any case perhaps getmail4
<http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/> would be more useful to you.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 9:00 am
From: ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar)

In article <608a1764-e725-4854-905e-72b40ecbd26e@r27g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
<strycat@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've asked this on a couple of webforums and gotten no response. So
> this newsgroup is my last hope.
>
> I have a POP3 mailbox from my webhost. I have gmail check the mailbox
> and leave the messages on the server. Twice a day I have my home
> computer (Fedora - please don't hold that against me) use fetchmail to
> download and remove the messages from the POP3 mailbox.
>
> The problem is that there is a short period where if a message is
> received by the POP3 mailbox it will only end up on my Fedora computer
> and not make it to gmail.
>
> Is there some way to have fetchmail only flush messages that have been
> previously downloaded and leave any that are newly downloaded on this
> run? This way gmail will have time to get the messages.
>
> Is there a better solution to this? I get enough email that i can't
> leave it on the server for more than 24hrs without exceeding my
> mailbox size limit.

Does this:

fetchmail fetches all new, doesn't delete
Gmail fetches all new, then deletes

do what you want? I'm not quite sure of the behavior you're after.

--
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says, "I don't know about this place. Last time I went in there, I lost
an electron." The second atom says, "Don't worry, I'll keep my ion you."

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TOPIC: Fedora 10 Live -- No Development Tools?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 4:45 am
From: "W. eWatson"

I pulled down a 3/4 G iso file from the Fedora 10 site and burned it onto a
CD. It doesn't have gcc or make. It took 2 hours to download the file. Is
there another version that at least has some minimal dev tools? Maybe a DVD
version? I want to compile a 38K line C program that has no GUI but does use
some sort of graphics facility to produce jpg files. From the main program:

#define wolf

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include "cgi-draw.h"
#include "novas.h"
#include "global.h"
#include "calstars.h"
#include "imatrix.h"
#include "cnstl.h"

/* ************ markstars ***************
main routine of WOLF

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Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Web Page: <www.speckledwithstars.net/>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 5:58 am
From: General Schvantzkoph

On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:45:06 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:

> I pulled down a 3/4 G iso file from the Fedora 10 site and burned it
> onto a CD. It doesn't have gcc or make. It took 2 hours to download the
> file. Is there another version that at least has some minimal dev tools?
> Maybe a DVD version? I want to compile a 38K line C program that has no
> GUI but does use some sort of graphics facility to produce jpg files.
> From the main program:
>
> #define wolf
>
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <stdlib.h>
> #include <string.h>
> #include <unistd.h>
> #include "cgi-draw.h"
> #include "novas.h"
> #include "global.h"
> #include "calstars.h"
> #include "imatrix.h"
> #include "cnstl.h"
>
> /* ************ markstars ***************
> main routine of WOLF

Use 'Add/Remove Software' or Yumex to install the development packages.
The Live version is a minimal subset of Fedora, it doesn't include any
development tools, the DVD version has everything. However the Live
version is actually a better way to do the install because Fedora has so
many updates that virtually everything on the DVD will have to be updated
after the install anyway. If you install from the Live version then
install the additional packages that you want from the web you'll get the
current versions.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 6:21 am
From: "W. eWatson"

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:45:06 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
>
>> I pulled down a 3/4 G iso file from the Fedora 10 site and burned it
>> onto a CD. It doesn't have gcc or make. It took 2 hours to download the
>> file. Is there another version that at least has some minimal dev tools?
>> Maybe a DVD version? I want to compile a 38K line C program that has no
>> GUI but does use some sort of graphics facility to produce jpg files.
>> From the main program:
>>
>> #define wolf
>>
>> #include <stdio.h>
>> #include <stdlib.h>
>> #include <string.h>
>> #include <unistd.h>
>> #include "cgi-draw.h"
>> #include "novas.h"
>> #include "global.h"
>> #include "calstars.h"
>> #include "imatrix.h"
>> #include "cnstl.h"
>>
>> /* ************ markstars ***************
>> main routine of WOLF
>
> Use 'Add/Remove Software' or Yumex to install the development packages.
> The Live version is a minimal subset of Fedora, it doesn't include any
> development tools, the DVD version has everything. However the Live
> version is actually a better way to do the install because Fedora has so
> many updates that virtually everything on the DVD will have to be updated
> after the install anyway. If you install from the Live version then
> install the additional packages that you want from the web you'll get the
> current versions.

How big is the DVD version? If it can be downloaded, and isn't too big, that
probably would be fine with me. Where would I download the iso file from?
Even an older version of Fedora would help--provided I can access my Sandisk.

I don't want to install Fedora, I just want to mount a CD/DVD and be able to
compile code to verify some C code someone gave me does what I think it's
supposed to do. I'm pretty sure a Knoppix CD I bought several years ago does
this, but it doesn't have the ability for me to mount a 500M Sandisk.

--
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(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Web Page: <www.speckledwithstars.net/>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 7:33 am
From: General Schvantzkoph

On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:21:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:

> General Schvantzkoph wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:45:06 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
>>
>>> I pulled down a 3/4 G iso file from the Fedora 10 site and burned it
>>> onto a CD. It doesn't have gcc or make. It took 2 hours to download
>>> the file. Is there another version that at least has some minimal dev
>>> tools? Maybe a DVD version? I want to compile a 38K line C program
>>> that has no GUI but does use some sort of graphics facility to produce
>>> jpg files. From the main program:
>>>
>>> #define wolf
>>>
>>> #include <stdio.h>
>>> #include <stdlib.h>
>>> #include <string.h>
>>> #include <unistd.h>
>>> #include "cgi-draw.h"
>>> #include "novas.h"
>>> #include "global.h"
>>> #include "calstars.h"
>>> #include "imatrix.h"
>>> #include "cnstl.h"
>>>
>>> /* ************ markstars ***************
>>> main routine of WOLF
>>
>> Use 'Add/Remove Software' or Yumex to install the development packages.
>> The Live version is a minimal subset of Fedora, it doesn't include any
>> development tools, the DVD version has everything. However the Live
>> version is actually a better way to do the install because Fedora has
>> so many updates that virtually everything on the DVD will have to be
>> updated after the install anyway. If you install from the Live version
>> then install the additional packages that you want from the web you'll
>> get the current versions.
>
> How big is the DVD version? If it can be downloaded, and isn't too big,
> that probably would be fine with me. Where would I download the iso file
> from? Even an older version of Fedora would help--provided I can access
> my Sandisk.
>
> I don't want to install Fedora, I just want to mount a CD/DVD and be
> able to compile code to verify some C code someone gave me does what I
> think it's supposed to do. I'm pretty sure a Knoppix CD I bought several
> years ago does this, but it doesn't have the ability for me to mount a
> 500M Sandisk.

The DVD version is an installer only. If you don't want to install Fedora
on your disk then you can do an install to a USB FLASH stick or create a
Fedora VM on your Windows box. VMware Server has a free Windows version
as well as the a free Linux version. To install to a USB FLASH

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

You will need to use the overlay feature which will allow you to add
packages. For your purposes you should use an 8G USB stick. Fedora Live
fits on a 1G stick but there isn't enough room left for the development
packages. 8G gives you room for both the packages and for working area.

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TOPIC: store shell output of last command(s) in predefined variables
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/dad43ecedb91c145?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 5:24 am
From: ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar)

In article <Xns9BC27E61ABBD6650A1FC0D7811DDBC81@85.214.105.209>,
Rahul <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I had an idea that I was wondering how to impliment for my linux shell
> (tcsh). Frequently one issues a command with a lot of output and then in
> the very next command I want to operate on it. Can I tweak my shell (via
> .cshrc or functions etc.) so that it always retains the STDOUT output of
> the last command in a variable?
>
> A typical application:
>
> %>find . -name 'foo'
> [pageloads of data]
>
> Current workflow
> %>find . -name 'foo' | grep 'specific_foo'
>
> This is inefficient especially for large timeconsuming finds. On the other
> hand dumping data to a file each time beforehand is annoying since often
> one plays with find parameters until one obtains a match one wants.
>
> GOAL:
> %>find . -name 'foo'
> %>echo $LASTCMD | grep 'specific_foo'
> %>echo $LASTCMD1 | grep 'specific_foo' [more ambitious version]
> %>echo $LASTCMD2 | grep 'specific_foo' [more ambitious version]
>
> The more ambitious versions could retain a rolling set of the outputs of
> the last 10 commands say.
>
> Any sugesstions what might be the best way to do this? My shell is tcsh but
> of course I'm open to scripting in bash, perl whatever so long as I can see
> the effects on my tcsh commandline.

This seems to work (it's only a proof of concept) for bash:

#! /bin/bash
tempfile=/tmp/${0##*/}-$$
touch "$tempfile" || exit

while read line ; do
eval "$line" | tee "$tempfile"
OUTPUT="$(<$tempfile)"
done

rm "$tempfile"

I guess when "echo $OUTPUT" is executed, that happens in the script's
environment. So I could change the definition of $tempfile if I wanted.
There's also no prompt, none of your rc files get read, and so on. And
it's bash, not tcsh. LIS, proof of concept.

--
-eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81

Q: Why do black holes never learn?
A: Because they're too dense. -- ZurkisPhreek on Fark

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TOPIC: NYC LOCAL: Friday 6 March 2009: A 25th Anniversary Assessment of the
Break Up of ATT
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/fc520f6c50526663?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 9:09 am
From: secretary@lxny.org

From: "Bruce Kushnick" <bruce@newnetworks.com>
To: <oia@lists.bway.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 03:41:43 -0500
Subject: [OIA] TOMORROW!! Agenda update for 25th Anniversary of the AT&T Break Up

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- PLEASE POST>
(CONTACT INFO BELOW)

Complete agenda and speaker bios at:
http://25thanniversaryofthebreakupofatt.blogspot.com/

EVENT: Has Divestiture Worked?
A 25th Anniversary Assessment of the Breakup of AT&T

DATE: *TOMORROW* FRIDAY, MARCH 6th, 2009 TIME: 6PM-9PM
LOCATION: New York University, Warren Weaver Hall 251 Mercer St. Room 109.
PRICE: ADMISSION IS FREE. (RSVP requested, by email to: rsvp@bway.net
-or- Facebook, LinkedIn, or MeetUp ISOC-NY)

If you're concerned with the future of the Internet:

How does America get gigabit, open and ubiquitous, broadband telecom
infrastructure?

The goal of this conference is to outline the history of the last 25
years, discuss the current market issues, then give a view of the
future of broadband and telecom in the US that has been mostly untold
in the media. It is a future that leads to ubiquitous, very high
speed networks based on an infrastructure that is open to all
competitors -- giving customers choice, lower prices and new quality
products and innovative services. And widely acknowledged as critical
for long term economic growth.

*** NEW SPEAKERS ADDED ***
Carl Mayer, Esq. The State of Privacy in the US.
Kenneth Levy Former FCC telecom lawyer at the time of Divestiture.
Lou Klepner The New York City Co-op Fiber Network

AGENDA (subject to change)

PANEL 1: Historical perspective:
* Bruce Kushnick An overview and leading financial indicators. What
happened over the last 25 years?
* Tom Allibone Consumers: telephony costs and other issues of
telephony
* & Dean Landsman and broadband.
* Ken Levy Living history, perspective from within FCC
during the Break Up!
* Alex Goldman ISP/CLEC industry: regulatory follies over the past decade
* Mark Cooper The Failure of Market Fundamentalism in the Telecom
Sector: How Deregulation Derailed Divestiture or The
Operation was
Successful, but the Patient Died

PANEL 2: The Present State:
* Jonathan Askin The legal/regulatory environment then and now.
* Dave Burstein Broadband market roundup
* Joe Plotkin Small business broadband needs, and surviving as a
small competitive provider.
* David Rosen What filmmakers and other creators need to know
* Carl Mayer Privacy and the latest on the wiretapping case

PANEL 3: The Future State and Alternative Approaches:
* Fred Goldstein The current state of fiber optic networks. Are new
models like Structural Separation needed now?
* Lou Klepner NYC co-op fiber network
* Dana Spiegel The future of broadband spectrum
* W. Scott McCollough Legally rewiring telecom infrastructure: What is
possible? Divestiture2? Separation?

===================
For More Information:
Joe Plotkin
T: 646-502-9796
E: bwayjoe@bway.net

Internet Society, New York Chapter
E: president@isoc-ny.org
===================

_______________________________________________
Open Infrastructure Alliance
http://lists.bway.net/listinfo/oia

</blockquote>

Distributed poC TINC:

Jay Sulzberger <secretary@lxny.org>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org

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TOPIC: permission change
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/8f634b6e492914bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 9:36 am
From: annalissa

Hi all,

is it possible to change the permission of a file without using chmod
command ?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 10:01 am
From: pk

On Thursday 5 March 2009 18:36, annalissa wrote:

> is it possible to change the permission of a file without using chmod
> command ?

Sure, just write a C program that does that, give it a name different
from "chmod", and call it. Or use a graphical file manager, right
click, "properties" -> "permissions..." and change the permissions.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 10:14 am
From: Michael Black

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, pk wrote:

> On Thursday 5 March 2009 18:36, annalissa wrote:
>
>> is it possible to change the permission of a file without using chmod
>> command ?
>
> Sure, just write a C program that does that, give it a name different
> from "chmod", and call it. Or use a graphical file manager, right
> click, "properties" -> "permissions..." and change the permissions.
>
>
You can change permission with lynx, though of course only if you
have permission to do it (ie you are the owner of the file, or root).

I'm sure MC can do it too.

SOmehow though, I don't think that was what the poster was getting
at, though I'm not sure exactly what they were asking.

Michael

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 5 2009 10:18 am
From: The Natural Philosopher

pk wrote:
> On Thursday 5 March 2009 18:36, annalissa wrote:
>
>> is it possible to change the permission of a file without using chmod
>> command ?
>
> Sure, just write a C program that does that, give it a name different
> from "chmod", and call it. Or use a graphical file manager, right
> click, "properties" -> "permissions..." and change the permissions.
>
You could remove the disk, and pick through the inode blocks with a hex
editor on a hardware emulator..

Or you could recompile the kernel to treat all the file permissions
completely differently..or wrote a whole new operating system..

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