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== 1 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 8:37 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2009062520055847408-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> On 2009-06-25 19:55:33 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> said:
>
>>
>> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:0oadncRsfuRbu97XnZ2dnUVZ_hxi4p2d@giganews.com...
>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>> "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:F76dnQ_jBvdwSt_XnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>> "John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:90g545lnt2mhmfvjprho390lrm2mtjnqro@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:51:38 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote in <z4idnWeYSOB0At_XnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4a4207c0$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>>>>>> Bill Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>> You know that in most browsers you can resize the fonts on
>>>>>>>> websites,
>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>> No. I have no idea how to do that.
>>>>>> Ctrl key and + key
>>>>>> Ctrl key and - key
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I would also have to be able to
>>>>>>> change the contrast, to get them to like print BLACK on WHITE (for
>>>>>>> example)
>>>>>>> For some stupid reason, many sites print dark gray on light gray, or
>>>>>>> gray on
>>>>>>> a black background. (in order to waste gallons of my ink when I try
>>>>>>> to print
>>>>>>> anything out)
>>>>>> Select and Copy the text to the Clipboard; Paste into Notepad; Print.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have Windows VISTA. Trying to do anything on Windows Vista
>>>>>>> is kind of like pulling teeth with a pair of long nosed pliers.
>>>>>> Not so hard if you use the Help system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only way
>>>>>>> I can disable programs (for example) is to change the names on their
>>>>>>> folders, so my machine can't find them on start up and I can get to
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> use my machine for something within a half hour or so from when I
>>>>>>> turn it
>>>>>>> on......
>>>>>> Just Uninstall them in Control Panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It says, "You are not authorized to do that." and, I can't seem to
>>>>> find out how to authorize myself.......I am able to change the name of
>>>>> the folders, however, so I have done that to all the programs I want
>>>>> to disable.....Now, my machine can't find them...:^) I changed the
>>>>> name of "the Weather Channel" to "the Heather Channel" (for example)
>>>>> so I don't get that stupid pop-up anymore. And there's a good example
>>>>> of a useless program that Microsoft incorporates into their Windows
>>>>> Program list.......It has no purpose whatsoever, other than to pay
>>>>> back some guy for some favor he must have done for Bill Gates or
>>>>> somebody..........
>>>>
>>>> I also stopped Google Desktop from working by changing it's name to
>>>> "Deskhop". - The problem is, after I'm dead, when some teenager tries
>>>> to use my machine, he/she won't have the slightest idea why it doesn't
>>>> work right! Teenagers don't know how to read anymore, and that will be
>>>> their undoing......I will be laughing my ass off. (assuming there's an
>>>> afterlife)
>>> Actually, the teen will probably understand, immediately, that someone
>>> didn't know how to use the computer before, and will log in as
>>> administrator, uninstall the offending programs, and install his own,
>>> and live happily ever after.
>>
>> And how, exactly does one "log in as administrator"?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Dummies-Special-Bundle-Computers/dp/0470121033/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1245985425&sr=8-1
>
I have, "Windows Vista, Inside Out" "Deluxe Edition" , and it does tell me
how to log in as the Administrator. Why I should have to do this is beyond
me. I am my computer's only user, and I purchased it with my own money. Why
on earth must I be somebody else in order to do whatever I want with it? If
I want to disable some program, it should just let me do it. The reason why
I disabled my program by changing the name on the folder is because that's
beautifully reversible. Disabling it in some other way may not be. In the
long run, I have learned very little about computers from books. Most of
what I know about them I discovered by trial and error. Certainly everything
I can really remember came about in this fashion. And this is why I know
that the people who program them are really insane....:^)

== 2 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 8:54 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-25 20:37:28 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> said:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2009062520055847408-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> On 2009-06-25 19:55:33 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> said:

>> --------------<since this has been discussed to death, it has been
>> vapourized>----------

>> And how, exactly does one "log in as administrator"?
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Dummies-Special-Bundle-Computers/dp/0470121033/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1245985425&sr=8-1

I
>>
> have, "Windows Vista, Inside Out" "Deluxe Edition" , and it does tell
> me how to log in as the Administrator. Why I should have to do this is
> beyond me. I am my computer's only user, and I purchased it with my own
> money. Why on earth must I be somebody else in order to do whatever I
> want with it? If I want to disable some program, it should just let me
> do it. The reason why I disabled my program by changing the name on the
> folder is because that's beautifully reversible. Disabling it in some
> other way may not be. In the long run, I have learned very little about
> computers from books. Most of what I know about them I discovered by
> trial and error. Certainly everything I can really remember came about
> in this fashion. And this is why I know that the people who program
> them are really insane....:^)

Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you
and any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is probably
best that you continue to march to your different drum.

...but then live with the consequences of that, and don't complain even
after you have been presented with solutions.
It is appears you live to complain, and having whatever you use
functioning optimally is not something you would put any effort into,
as you would not be able to complain about it.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

== 3 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:10 pm
From: tony cooper

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:37:28 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I have, "Windows Vista, Inside Out" "Deluxe Edition" , and it does tell me
>how to log in as the Administrator. Why I should have to do this is beyond
>me. I am my computer's only user, and I purchased it with my own money. Why
>on earth must I be somebody else in order to do whatever I want with it?

Well, you see, Bill, the manufacturer of that computer didn't know
your name when they built it. It's not like Tengu shouted over to
Tuan "Hai, Tuan...this one for Bill Graham. Makee sure it have log
in for Bill Graham name." (Rough translation from Malay language.)
So they gave you the name "Administrator". That's a very big
compliment in Malaysia. It means "very important man even though he
smell of stale sweat and jock itch powder".

Just be glad they don't make you sign in as "User". "User", in the
Bahasa Melaya dialect, means "man with loose farts because of
stretched anus". This is a joke they often pull when they know the
computer is being shipped to the US because the only American movie
ever shown on Malaysian television was "Deliverance".

I'd tell you what "Vista" means in Malaysia but it would make you
blush. All I can say is that it is physically impossible for a snake
and a tapir to consummate a relationship even if they *could* assume
that position. It's a myth.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

== 4 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:13 pm
From: John Navas

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:55:33 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net>
wrote in <K7ednZgb2YM6pdnXnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@giganews.com>:

>>[HUGE SNIP]

Please trim quotes down to the relevant portion.
Thanks.

--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)

== 5 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:14 pm
From: John Navas

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:05:58 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in
<2009062520055847408-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom>:

>>[HUGE SNIP]

Please trim quotes down to the relevant portion.
Thanks.

--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)

== 6 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:24 pm
From: Jürgen Exner

"Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote:
>And how, exactly does one "log in as administrator"?

Just a suggestion:
On the login screen (you know how to get there, do you?) you could enter
the user-ID and password for an account that is an adminstrator account.

No, you cannot install Vista without creating such an account.
And no, you cannot delete this account without creating an alternate
administrator account first, either.

If you forgot which account you used as the admin account or what you
used as the password, then that's your problem, not Vista's.

jue

== 7 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:29 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you and
> any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is probably best
> that you continue to march to your different drum.

What does, "RTFM" mean?

== 8 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:32 pm
From: Jürgen Exner

"Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote:
>I have, "Windows Vista, Inside Out" "Deluxe Edition" , and it does tell me
>how to log in as the Administrator. Why I should have to do this is beyond
>me.

Obviously you don't know squat even about the most basic computer safety
precautions.

>I am my computer's only user, and I purchased it with my own money. Why
>on earth must I be somebody else in order to do whatever I want with it? If
>I want to disable some program, it should just let me do it.

Yeah, right. Apparently you've never heard of malware, viruses, worms,
trojans, ...
Or just good old plain human errors.

>The reason why
>I disabled my program by changing the name on the folder is because that's
>beautifully reversible. Disabling it in some other way may not be. In the
>long run, I have learned very little about computers from books. Most of
>what I know about them I discovered by trial and error.

Let's just leave it at: it shows.

>Certainly everything
>I can really remember came about in this fashion. And this is why I know
>that the people who program them are really insane....:^)

Although many people share your opinion they do it for different reasons
and with much more justification.
You haven't even begun to even scratch the surface as far as computer
knowledge goes. And this NG is certainly not the proper place for
training in that area.

jue

== 9 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:34 pm
From: John McWilliams

Bill Graham wrote:
>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you
>> and any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is
>> probably best that you continue to march to your different drum.
>
> What does, "RTFM" mean?

RTFM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RTFM is an acronym for the statement "Read The Fucking Manual". This
instruction is sometimes given in response to a question when the person
being asked ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM

The above was the first hit when said acronym was typed into the Google
search bar.

== 10 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:42 pm
From: nospam

In article <d6mdnfAsO-AE09nXnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, Bill Graham
<weg9@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you and
> > any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is probably best
> > that you continue to march to your different drum.
>
> What does, "RTFM" mean?

read the f'in manual or read the fine manual.

== 11 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:43 pm
From: Jürgen Exner

"Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you and
>> any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is probably best
>> that you continue to march to your different drum.
>
>What does, "RTFM" mean?

"Read The Fine Manual"

You may substitute other words for "fine" at your pleasure.

jue

== 12 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:43 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

"Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
> ...but then live with the consequences of that, and don't complain even
> after you have been presented with solutions.
> It is appears you live to complain, and having whatever you use
> functioning optimally is not something you would put any effort into, as
> you would not be able to complain about it.

You've got to be kidding......I have spent many hundreds of hours
reconfiguring my machine to get it to function the way I want it to. It
still doesn't, "function optimally" because of dozens of pop-ups that slow
it down, and annoy me, usually at start-up. I spend many unhappy hours
removing extraneous software from it in order to get rid of these, but many
still keep coming back, inexplicably, even though I go through the "proper"
procedure to get rid of them. As a matter of fact, I have come to the
conclusion that what this thing really is, is another TV set, whose basic
purpose in life is to deliver ads to me under the guise of being some kind
of useful tool and/or information source. To me, its still up in the air
weather or not it is worth all the trouble it gives me. To be sure, it does
do, or is at least capable of doing some miraculous things, but at the same
time, it generates so many problems that most of the time I find that I am
behind schedule trying to keep up with it. I have several friends who tell
me they are glad they don't own one of these beasts, and I find it very hard
to argue with them. They certainly get to spend a lot more time with their
grandchildren than I do with mine.

== 13 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:49 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

"John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:h21j9h$4gn$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Bill Graham wrote:
>>
>> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
>> news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>>> Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you
>>> and any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is probably
>>> best that you continue to march to your different drum.
>>
>> What does, "RTFM" mean?
>
> RTFM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> RTFM is an acronym for the statement "Read The Fucking Manual". This
> instruction is sometimes given in response to a question when the person
> being asked ...
> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
>
> The above was the first hit when said acronym was typed into the Google
> search bar.

Oh. This would be good advice, were I to have a F-ing manual, but alas, this
is not the case. I do not even have the same machine I purchased. That one
didn't work, so I had to replace the motherboard and CPU chip with another
one. I do, however, have a good book on Windows VISTA. Now, if I only had
the time to read it.........

== 14 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:03 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2gi845dsuji65ph84jg99s8ri1pl46hl9r@4ax.com...
> "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote:
>>And how, exactly does one "log in as administrator"?
>
> Just a suggestion:
> On the login screen (you know how to get there, do you?) you could enter
> the user-ID and password for an account that is an adminstrator account.
>
> No, you cannot install Vista without creating such an account.
> And no, you cannot delete this account without creating an alternate
> administrator account first, either.
>
> If you forgot which account you used as the admin account or what you
> used as the password, then that's your problem, not Vista's.
>
> jue

That's not what my book says. It says to go to the start menu search box,
and type in "cmd" Then press ctl+shift+enter, and respond in the affirmative
to the UAC prompt, and enter the following command: net user administrator
/active:yes then the administrator account will appear on my welcome
screen, and I will be able to use it like any other account.

I have not done this yet, so there may be something wrong with it......It
certainly wouldn't surprise me if this were the case. But I'll try it the
next time I've got a couple of hours to screw around instead of doing
something useful, like arranging some music for my band.

== 15 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:05 pm
From: Jürgen Exner

"Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote:
>You've got to be kidding......I have spent many hundreds of hours
>reconfiguring my machine to get it to function the way I want it to. It
>still doesn't, "function optimally" because of dozens of pop-ups that slow
>it down, and annoy me, usually at start-up. I spend many unhappy hours
>removing extraneous software from it in order to get rid of these, but many
>still keep coming back, inexplicably, even though I go through the "proper"
>procedure to get rid of them.

And you really still wonder, why you need different accounts/account
types for daily work and for system adminstration?
Oh man, that is about as dense as depleated uranium.

[...]
>To me, its still up in the air
>weather or not it is worth all the trouble it gives me. To be sure, it does
>do, or is at least capable of doing some miraculous things, but at the same
>time, it generates so many problems that most of the time I find that I am
>behind schedule trying to keep up with it.

Would you drive a car without receiving proper instruction first? Would
you pilot an airplane without proper training?

A computer is many, many times more complex than a small airplane and
still people expect they could master it without any training. And then
become frustrated when because of their self-taught attempts they make
less progress than the Wright brothers.

On my two systems I spent maybe 2-3 hours four times a year for
maintenance, not more. And they mostly just run as I want them to run
without any viruses and popups and annoying startup delays.

>I have several friends who tell
>me they are glad they don't own one of these beasts, and I find it very hard
>to argue with them. They certainly get to spend a lot more time with their
>grandchildren than I do with mine.

Piloting isn't for everyone, neither is administering a computer. There
is a reason why qualified computer adminstrators are paid big money by
big companies. Those companies know that being cheap can be very
expensive.

jue

== 16 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:12 pm
From: "Bill Graham"

"Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:AcydnXkyDMKQz9nXnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@giganews.com...

I am compelled to say, however, that you guys have been very helpful, even
if you do have some attitude problems. I have learned a lot more from you
than I would have from some computer help group. The reason for this is
obvious to me. You guys, for the most part, speak English. I still don't
know exactly what language the people in those computer help groups speak,
but it certainly isn't any language that I can understand.

== 17 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:24 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-25 21:29:14 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> said:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> Since you do not seem to actually RTFM to use what is available to you
>> and any user, on any computer, PC, Mac or Linux machine, it is probably
>> best that you continue to march to your different drum.
>
> What does, "RTFM" mean?

READ THE F#!%^ MANUAL !!
--
Regards,

Savageduck

== 18 of 18 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:29 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-06-25 21:43:57 -0700, "Bill Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> said:

>
> "Savageduck" <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
> news:2009062520543516807-savageduck@REMOVESPAMmecom...
>> ...but then live with the consequences of that, and don't complain even
>> after you have been presented with solutions.
>> It is appears you live to complain, and having whatever you use
>> functioning optimally is not something you would put any effort into,
>> as you would not be able to complain about it.
>
> You've got to be kidding......I have spent many hundreds of hours
> reconfiguring my machine to get it to function the way I want it to. It
> still doesn't, "function optimally" because of dozens of pop-ups that
> slow it down, and annoy me, usually at start-up. I spend many unhappy
> hours removing extraneous software from it in order to get rid of
> these, but many still keep coming back, inexplicably, even though I go
> through the "proper" procedure to get rid of them. As a matter of fact,
> I have come to the conclusion that what this thing really is, is
> another TV set, whose basic purpose in life is to deliver ads to me
> under the guise of being some kind of useful tool and/or information
> source. To me, its still up in the air weather or not it is worth all
> the trouble it gives me. To be sure, it does do, or is at least capable
> of doing some miraculous things, but at the same time, it generates so
> many problems that most of the time I find that I am behind schedule
> trying to keep up with it. I have several friends who tell me they are
> glad they don't own one of these beasts, and I find it very hard to
> argue with them. They certainly get to spend a lot more time with their
> grandchildren than I do with mine.

Well that's Vista for ya!

Time to sell that machine, put your feet up, and find a good book to read.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

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TOPIC: Comparing photos
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 8:47 pm
From: "Miguel"

"PatM" <groups@artisticphotography.us> escribió en el mensaje
news:a36a5718-2ef6-4792-af69-be3397e7f8ab@f30g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 25, 12:30 pm, "Miguel" <responderalgr...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
> Hello:
>
> A time ago I did this photo that I have tried a little to improve:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3660332190
>
> Now with a different person but in the same place and in the same row but
> of
> different angle I did the following photo:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3660332206
>
> In the first photo I tried to show to the person and the aspects around,
> and
> in the second photo. I tried to show to the person at the moment of the
> exposition.
>
> Thanks to all for your comments about photography.
>
> --
> Miguel M. Yalánhttp://mmyv.com

Hello, I did a change in the second photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3660332206/

Thanks to all for your comments about photography.

--
Miguel M. Yalán
http://mmyv.com

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TOPIC: Future of the megapixel race
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:17 pm
From: John Navas

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:24:51 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <250620092124514719%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

>In article <MPG.24ae937c1a3cd1bc98c044@news.supernews.com>, Alfred
>Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> You can't make such blanket statements. That depends of course on the
>> implementation.
>
>it does depend on the implementation, but absent a breakthrough in
>physics or manufacturing, it remains true.

Actually it doesn't, as ample objective evidence makes clear.
Read my original post more carefully and with a more open mind.

>there's no free lunch.

Red herring.

--
Best regards,
John (Panasonic DMC-FZ28, and several others)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 9:49 pm
From: nospam

In article <usi845t6hufndn7lbm1c2qd4un84dj4an5@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:

> >> You can't make such blanket statements. That depends of course on the
> >> implementation.
> >
> >it does depend on the implementation, but absent a breakthrough in
> >physics or manufacturing, it remains true.
>
> Actually it doesn't, as ample objective evidence makes clear.

such as what?

> Read my original post more carefully and with a more open mind.

your post doesn't say anything about full colour sensors.

making a full colour sensor, at least with today's technology, requires
taking a full pixel and dividing it up into 3 (or more) parts. foveon
does it in layers and nikon's patent uses dichroic mirrors and
sub-pixels within a pixel. by dividing up the pixel, noise goes up,
that's just basic physics. maybe one day someone will come up with a
different technology but that's how it is today.

plus, nikon's patent looks like a bitch to manufacture, but maybe they
have solved that problem. nevertheless, it's vapor at the moment.
foveon is also expensive to manufacture.

that might change one day, but as of right now, bayer is the most cost
effective solution and it works quite well and far better than the full
colour pixel advocates believe.

> >there's no free lunch.
>
> Red herring.

uh, no.

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TOPIC: CHDK P&S Cameras Soar Above All Others Again - Photos From the
Stratosphere - Again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/481ec56ed2cf8bd2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:29 pm
From: John Turco

Sidny@mash.com wrote:

<heavily edited for brevity>

> What I do regret is having bought a couple of 'P&S' cameras for $2500 over the
> last few years, and getting the worst shit pictures I've ever seen! I regret
> only getting $150 for a Minolta Dimage I paid $1500 for. I regret having shit
> photos of my late Sister and Father taken on P&S crap cameras. I wish I had
> better images of the past. I wish I had got a DSLR in 2000 instead of the P&S
> shit.

Hello, Sidny:

You're looking at things, the wrong way. With cherished pictures - such as those,
of your deceased loved ones - what's most meaningful, by a large margin, is the
fact they >exist<, at all.

That's why digital photography is so wonderful...it's far cheaper and much easier,
than film ever was. The small and affordable P&S digicams, in particular, allow
users to capture a wider variety of images, than a bulky DSLR could typically
manage.

Just be glad that you have so many (supposedly) crummy shots of your late father
and sister; and even more importantly, continue taking pix of the relatives and
friends, who are still alive.

Hence, for posterity's sake, as well as your own happiness -- keep on snappin',
brother! <g>

Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

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TOPIC: Whatever happened to the "single pixel" camera idea?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/132ae2d328416321?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:30 pm
From: John Turco

Robert Coe wrote:
>
> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:09:27 +1200, mike <m.fee@irl.cri.replacethiswithnz>
> wrote:
> : In article <nead35ll5050rrq35q730s2arts3b6g9jf@4ax.com>,
> : eric.stevens@sum.co.nz says...
> : > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:23:58 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127@gmail.com>
> : > wrote:
> : >
> : > >I remember reading about it a few years back.
> : >
> : >
> : > Here is the result of Google search on the subject.
> : > http://tinyurl.com/nfz78b
> : >
> : > The idea still seems to be alive and well.
> : >
> : I took a look at "Physics Buzz", the first link in the search. How
> : the hell did they get the mandrill to sit still for 15 minutes?
>
> They read him mind-numbing gibberish from Rich's Usenet articles.
>
> Bob

Hello, Bob:

How could you abide such blatant cruelty to animals? :-)

Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

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TOPIC: The Shot Seen 'Round the World
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/15107f2ca666bb2e?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:30 pm
From: John Turco

Chris H wrote:
>
> In message <4A3F3E7C.CD50C6E3@concentric.net>, John Turco
> <jtur@concentric.net> writes
> >Chris H wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <4A39BF13.AAF53A01@concentric.net>, John Turco
> >
> ><edited for brevity>
> >
> >> >Basketball is an American invention, which became internationally
> >> >popular. It's probably the world's most widespread team sport, in
> >> >fact.
> >>
> >> Not compared to football
> >
> >
> >Hello, Chris:
> >
> >All right...read it and weep. <g>
>
> Why? Wiki is notoriously unreliable.

Hello, Chris:

It >is<? Then, why did you, yourself, quote Wikipedia, in a later post?

> Basket ball is a minority sport outside the USA. It is hardly played in
> many countries

That's a very dubious claim.

> Football is the national sport of many nations. It is played where every
> there is something kickable. I have not see a country that does not
> play football and it is the normal first choice for kids everywhere.

You've answered three of my other responses, within this thread; but, this
shall be my sole reply.

Suffice to say, basketball and soccer are both quite popular, worldwide.
However, in the U.S.A., "gridiron" type football is king, currently -- and
ice hockey has long been Canada's "national sport."

In these respects, North America may be an "anomaly," as you're previously
stated. Albeit, that doesn't diminish its worthiness, or that of the NFL
or NHL, in any way.

Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

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TOPIC: GodDamnStupidF------ Olympus!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/5d61a010f7604821?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:30 pm
From: John Turco

Eric Stevens wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:19:33 -0500, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
> wrote:

> >During the 1960's, I recall taking apart some of my metal, Japanese-made
> >toy cars, and discovering that their bodies were crafted from soup cans
> >(e.g., "Campbell's")! The painted-on labelling was still intact, on the
> >undersides.
>
> The sheet metal to make steel cans is preprinted before forming. It is
> probable that your toy was made of unused but pre-printed sheet left
> over at the end of a production run.
>
> This is not the case for modern one-piece beer cans which are printed
> after forming.

Hello, Eric:

You may be right! I'm in the U.S.A., and back then, Japanese manufacturers
were still struggling for respect. Some Americans (myself included) merely
assumed that Japan was recycling actual U.S. trash, such as empty food cans.

Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

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TOPIC: Olympus launches micro 4/3 camera
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/106fab96d8be9fe1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:30 pm
From: John Turco

John Navas wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:19:47 -0500, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
> wrote in <4A3F3EA3.1BAA616@concentric.net>:
>
> >Marty Fremen wrote:
> >>
> >> ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
> >> . Knowledgeable
> >> > managers have started to criticize Olympus's management for not
> >> > realizing how popular the camera was going to be, so it's going to
> >> > be in very short supply for a very long time,
> >>
> >> That's why they made such a crap website, to limit demand to a level
> >> they could cope with. Never underestimate the Japanese!
> >
> >Quite right! Those inscrutable devils are so damned cunning, it's
> >a mystery why they lost World War II...they must have suffered a
> >collective "brain outage," at Midway? <g>
>
> Not relevant to the silly diatribe that doesn't even apply to the proper
> website, and offensive to boot. How nice.

Hello, John:

It was just an "inside joke," with no disrespect intended. Japan's key
naval defeat, in the Battle of Midway, was partially due to American
Magic...if you know what I mean?

Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

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