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* Dileep's Hungry Heron - 6 messages, 3 authors
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* ISP ending Usenet service: which free/cheap ones are best? - 3 messages, 3
authors
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* Is nothing sacred? :) - 5 messages, 4 authors
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* Photomatix & HDR - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Why Use That POS Photomatix When There's Better Software? - 1 messages, 1
author
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* The Shot Seen 'Round the World - 4 messages, 1 author
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* simple question...maybe - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How To Detect Snapshooters from Photographers - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Running OS X on my PC!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* A newbie request help selecting digital camera - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Another falls victim to the horror of P&S's - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Dileep's Hungry Heron
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1b017725f67663d8?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 7:37 pm
From: "Matt Clara"
"Calvin T" <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote in message
news:0rhf45tb5ikq93oktub5sftlnr2c37jg9h@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:44:38 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
Killfiles. Take one and check your blood pressure in a week.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 7:41 pm
From: "Matt Clara"
"Calvin T" <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote in message
news:pq8d451fdh4c2k0hs59u7dh750mr7ap5tn@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:41 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Wonderful sequence, from Qatar :
>
>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=32237552
>
I know one thing--DPreview's forum format sucks big time.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:23 pm
From: Bob Larter
sligoNoSPAMjoe@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:39:16 -0400, Robert Coe <bob@1776.COM> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:08:37 -0500, Calvin T <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
>> : On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:20:25 -0400, Robert Coe <bob@1776.COM> wrote:
>> :
>> : >On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:12:16 -0500, Calvin T <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
>> : >: On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:41 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
>> : >:
>> : >: > Wonderful sequence, from Qatar :
> ....
>
>
>> :
>> : That about sums it up.
>> :
>> : Got it now?
>>
>> Yes, I think so. At least I'm confident that I've deduced a couple of tenets
>> of your philosophy:
>> 1. "I'm smart, and the rest of those yokels are stupid."
>> 2. "Never use ten words when 100 will suffice."
>>
>> Bob
>
> I have to totally agree with Bob.
Ditto.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:23 pm
From: Bob Larter
Robert Coe wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:12:16 -0500, Calvin T <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
> : On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:41 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
> :
> : > Wonderful sequence, from Qatar :
> :
> : You don't get out much, do you.
> :
> : >
> : >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=32237552
> :
> : The poster/photographer there is a moron. I've not seen one heron species
> : yet that didn't fish that way. This allows for plenty of time to set up
> : for the "strike shot". Then you just remain as patient as the heron. Some
> : of the more interesting photos I've taken are where a heron will form a
> : full-circle umbrella with their wings. Makes for some very artistic
> : compositions with the included reflection in mirror-still waters. The fish
> : will look for and are attracted to this shade in warmer climates and waters
> : when in direct sunlight. I am amazed then at how they can hold their
> : outstretched wings so still for so long. I think my most favorite heron
> : shot is where an alligator on the bank was just a yard away from the heron.
> : The heron determined to keep fishing/waiting there, the alligator hoping
> : to steal either fish or heron. It was a tense 20-30 minutes of waiting on
> : my part. The heron won his stance, the alligator too slow to get either
> : when the heron was finally successful. A "keeper" photograph the results.
>
> IOW, "The picture is a piece of crap because I'm not the one who took it."
> Does that about sum it up?
Good summary.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:26 pm
From: Bob Larter
Calvin T wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:25:36 -0500, Calvin T <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:26:35 -0500, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/27/09 6:12 PM, in article pq8d451fdh4c2k0hs59u7dh750mr7ap5tn@4ax.com,
>>> "Calvin T" <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:41 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wonderful sequence, from Qatar :
>>>> You don't get out much, do you.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=32237552
>>>> The poster/photographer there is a moron. I've not seen one heron species
>>>> yet that didn't fish that way. This allows for plenty of time to set up for
>>>> the "strike shot". Then you just remain as patient as the heron. Some of
>>>> the more interesting photos I've taken are where a heron will form a
>>>> full-circle umbrella with their wings. Makes for some very artistic
>>>> compositions with the included reflection in mirror-still waters. The fish
>>>> will look for and are attracted to this shade in warmer climates and waters
>>>> when in direct sunlight. I am amazed then at how they can hold their
>>>> outstretched wings so still for so long. I think my most favorite heron
>>>> shot is where an alligator on the bank was just a yard away from the heron.
>>>> The heron determined to keep fishing/waiting there, the alligator hoping to
>>>> steal either fish or heron. It was a tense 20-30 minutes of waiting on my
>>>> part. The heron won his stance, the alligator too slow to get either when
>>>> the heron was finally successful. A "keeper" photograph the results.
>>>>
>>> Care to share?
>> Paying customers only (more than you're probably worth in total), and
>> that's only if I like you or your values. Quite the limited and privileged
>> audience. You are not among them, I assure you.
>
>
> Oh, what the hell. Let's take pity on these basement-living shut-ins one
> more time this month.
>
> Here's a shot while I was setting up for the long wait, a commercially
> useless one. Long before anything interesting happened. Slight correction,
> this is not a Great Blue Heron (White Phase) as I was remembering it, it's
> a Great Egret. However, they hunt no differently than all herons I've ever
> photographed.
>
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3669518856_8d7af1185b_o.jpg
"This photo is currently unavailable"
What a surprise...
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:51 pm
From: Eric Stevens
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:26:02 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Calvin T wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:25:36 -0500, Calvin T <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:26:35 -0500, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/27/09 6:12 PM, in article pq8d451fdh4c2k0hs59u7dh750mr7ap5tn@4ax.com,
>>>> "Calvin T" <ct@spamprevention.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:19:41 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wonderful sequence, from Qatar :
>>>>> You don't get out much, do you.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=32237552
>>>>> The poster/photographer there is a moron. I've not seen one heron species
>>>>> yet that didn't fish that way. This allows for plenty of time to set up for
>>>>> the "strike shot". Then you just remain as patient as the heron. Some of
>>>>> the more interesting photos I've taken are where a heron will form a
>>>>> full-circle umbrella with their wings. Makes for some very artistic
>>>>> compositions with the included reflection in mirror-still waters. The fish
>>>>> will look for and are attracted to this shade in warmer climates and waters
>>>>> when in direct sunlight. I am amazed then at how they can hold their
>>>>> outstretched wings so still for so long. I think my most favorite heron
>>>>> shot is where an alligator on the bank was just a yard away from the heron.
>>>>> The heron determined to keep fishing/waiting there, the alligator hoping to
>>>>> steal either fish or heron. It was a tense 20-30 minutes of waiting on my
>>>>> part. The heron won his stance, the alligator too slow to get either when
>>>>> the heron was finally successful. A "keeper" photograph the results.
>>>>>
>>>> Care to share?
>>> Paying customers only (more than you're probably worth in total), and
>>> that's only if I like you or your values. Quite the limited and privileged
>>> audience. You are not among them, I assure you.
>>
>>
>> Oh, what the hell. Let's take pity on these basement-living shut-ins one
>> more time this month.
>>
>> Here's a shot while I was setting up for the long wait, a commercially
>> useless one. Long before anything interesting happened. Slight correction,
>> this is not a Great Blue Heron (White Phase) as I was remembering it, it's
>> a Great Egret. However, they hunt no differently than all herons I've ever
>> photographed.
>>
>>
>> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3344/3669518856_8d7af1185b_o.jpg
>
>"This photo is currently unavailable"
>
>What a surprise...
I saw it before. I've got it again.
Try again.
Eric Stevens
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TOPIC: ISP ending Usenet service: which free/cheap ones are best?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 7:54 pm
From: Blast of Reality
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:47:08 -0700, Miles <mileschapuis@gmail.com> wrote:
>* John Turco wrote, On 6/14/2009 00:51:
>> Miles wrote:
>>> * John Turco wrote, On 6/10/2009 22:28:
>>
>> <heavily edited for brevity>
>>
>>>> PS: Motzarella was suggested to me, by the late "Blinky the Shark." He
>>>> was a regular (and prolific) Usenet contributor, who died on January 31,
>>>> 2009, at the age of 61.
>>>>
>>>> Very tragic, indeed
>>> I was wondering why Blinky has been so quiet. Gee, what a pity as he
>>> was a great contributor to several newsgroups and offered very
>>> friendly and helpful assistance.
>>> Miles
>>
>>
>> Hello, Miles:
>>
>> Yes, shortly after returning to news:rec.photo.digital, about a month ago,
>> I was shocked to learn of his death. (I'd quit checking this newsgroup,
>> sometime in January, 2009.)
>>
>> Blinky the Shark's real name was Lee Rizor (1947-2009), incidentally.
>>
>>
>> Cordially,
>> John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
>
>
>Guess I (we) could try to send an email to his old address if it can
>be found and perhaps his family will read out condolences and compliments.
>Miles
Do you honestly think that your existence matters to anyone? Soon as you
stop posting on usenet you cease to exist to anyone who reads this nonsense
and it only proves that you have zero importance.
Get a grip.
Watch for the next time that some prolific troll stops posting. See how
often anyone asks, "Hey? What happened to troll-ASSAR? Rich? etc.?" Nobody
ever does. Because their existence really don't matter to anyone. If they
died and some obscure relative (they have no real friends) posted of their
death, it wouldn't effect usenet for more than one post, if lucky.
Catching onto the reality of usenet yet? I figured not.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 8:20 pm
From: Woger
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:54:18 -0500, Blast of Reality <bof@bof.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:47:08 -0700, Miles <mileschapuis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>* John Turco wrote, On 6/14/2009 00:51:
>>> Miles wrote:
>>>> * John Turco wrote, On 6/10/2009 22:28:
>>>
>>> <heavily edited for brevity>
>>>
>>>>> PS: Motzarella was suggested to me, by the late "Blinky the Shark." He
>>>>> was a regular (and prolific) Usenet contributor, who died on January 31,
>>>>> 2009, at the age of 61.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very tragic, indeed
>>>> I was wondering why Blinky has been so quiet. Gee, what a pity as he
>>>> was a great contributor to several newsgroups and offered very
>>>> friendly and helpful assistance.
>>>> Miles
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello, Miles:
>>>
>>> Yes, shortly after returning to news:rec.photo.digital, about a month ago,
>>> I was shocked to learn of his death. (I'd quit checking this newsgroup,
>>> sometime in January, 2009.)
>>>
>>> Blinky the Shark's real name was Lee Rizor (1947-2009), incidentally.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>> John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
>>
>>
>>Guess I (we) could try to send an email to his old address if it can
>>be found and perhaps his family will read out condolences and compliments.
>>Miles
>
>Do you honestly think that your existence matters to anyone? Soon as you
>stop posting on usenet you cease to exist to anyone who reads this nonsense
>and it only proves that you have zero importance.
>
>Get a grip.
>
>Watch for the next time that some prolific troll stops posting. See how
>often anyone asks, "Hey? What happened to troll-ASSAR? Rich? etc.?" Nobody
>ever does. Because their existence really don't matter to anyone. If they
>died and some obscure relative (they have no real friends) posted of their
>death, it wouldn't effect usenet for more than one post, if lucky.
>
>Catching onto the reality of usenet yet? I figured not.
>
>
>
You Mentally Sick bastard, so stop posting here if that is all you can say,
you must be a very lonely person with no friends at all..
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:08 pm
From: SMS
AKT wrote:
> My ISP (ATT) just sent this:
>
>> Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
>> offering access to the Usenet netnews service.
>
> Does anybody know which free / cheap services are best?
Depending on where you are, you might look for a provider that isn't
discontinuing Usenet, rather than looking for free Usenet service.
But check out "https://news.individual.net/".
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TOPIC: Is nothing sacred? :)
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 8:39 pm
From: Rich
On Jun 28, 10:25 pm, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:38:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> : Ebay ad: see last image
> :
> :http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300326063462&viewi...
> :
> : Post I did in May:
> :
> :http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=14030
>
> That's a nice picture, Rich. Good composition and technically correct. You had
> me fooled; I didn't think you even owned a camera.
>
> Bob
I try to avoid posting images unless they are decent quality or if
it's to illustrate a technical point.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 7:13 pm
From: Paul Furman
RichA wrote:
> Ebay ad: see last image
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300326063462&viewitem=&salenotsupported
>
> Post I did in May:
>
> http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=14030
He's got the same lens back up for bid without your pic.
I'm guessing you emailed the seller...
--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com
all google groups messages filtered due to spam
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:16 pm
From: John A.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:13:15 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net>
wrote:
>RichA wrote:
>> Ebay ad: see last image
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300326063462&viewitem=&salenotsupported
>>
>> Post I did in May:
>>
>> http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=14030
>
>He's got the same lens back up for bid without your pic.
>I'm guessing you emailed the seller...
Or he lurks here. Or he has a hit tracker on the item that tells him
he's gotten hits referred by Rich's post.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 9:52 pm
From: Rich
On Jun 28, 10:13 pm, Paul Furman <pa...@-edgehill.net> wrote:
> RichA wrote:
> > Ebay ad: see last image
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300326063462&viewi...
>
> > Post I did in May:
>
> >http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=14030
>
> He's got the same lens back up for bid without your pic.
> I'm guessing you emailed the seller...
>
> --
> Paul Furmanwww.edgehill.netwww.baynatives.com
>
> all google groups messages filtered due to spam
Maybe I should just have asked for a cut of the final sale, like Ebay?
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:40 pm
From: ribbit
Robert Coe wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:38:52 -0700 (PDT), RichA <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> : Ebay ad: see last image
> :
> : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300326063462&viewitem=&salenotsupported
> :
> : Post I did in May:
> :
> : http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=14030
>
> That's a nice picture, Rich. Good composition and technically correct. You had
> me fooled; I didn't think you even owned a camera.
>
> Bob
Seriously Bob...
Those who need to continually post links to mundane happy snaps and then
abuse anyone who calls them that... Seem to have fooled many people. It
seems you've fallen for it too. Does that tell you anything about your
ability to judge character?
At what point did you think Rich was not a good or even just a competent
photographer?
I used to post my commercial and non commercial photo and announce them
specifically in these groups once. At about the time a jackass from
Tennessee got his nose out of joint because I told him his 'pics' were
crap... He stole a client's proof album off my web site ...took a few of
my quite average photos (which I always leave in there to pad the size),
altered them and re-posted them trying to ridicule me when he had no
answer to the plain truth - he was posting happy snaps and not very good
ones at that.
I get about 10% junk with my wedding photography. Instead of getting 600
usable frames, I end up with 540... Way more than I need to deliver.
He's lucky to get 10% technically correct and then has to sort out those
he didn't cut heads off and mess up the composure with! ROTFL. I know
because when I downloaded his pbase and AOL sites, looking for images
he'd stolen from me, I got all his crap wedding and family portrait
photos too!
Usenet changed for me about that time. Similar behaviour by a few
zealots probably affected many photographers in much the same way at
about the same time or earlier.
Lisa Horton endured more hostility and disgusting personal attacks than
anyone... She was as good a photographer as Rich. Do you see her posts
any more? For that matter, do you see any of her Photos?
I have no doubt Rich could go head to head with the best of them on
technical images. Don't take the Mickey out of him (or anyone else)just
because he (they) chooses not to.
Take some worldly advise Bob... Those who need to YELL ABOUT THEIR
PHOTOS are the insecure ones who need uneducated posters to keep telling
them how good they are lest they realise how bad they are.
--
D-Mac... Back from the near-dead!
With my survival comes a new ability ...multi-tasking.
I can laugh, cough, sneeze, fart and pee all at the same time!
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TOPIC: Photomatix & HDR
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 7:51 pm
From: "BobS"
Constructive critisim is welcomed here
You are not...
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TOPIC: Why Use That POS Photomatix When There's Better Software?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:25 pm
From: "PDM"
> Wow! I sure hope you are not in sales.
>Len
He's sales manager for IBM
PDM
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TOPIC: The Shot Seen 'Round the World
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
ASAAR wrote:
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 00:30:41 -0500, John Turco wrote:
>
> >> Basket ball is a minority sport outside the USA. It is hardly played in
> >> many countries
> >
> > That's a very dubious claim.
> > . . .
> >
> > Suffice to say, basketball and soccer are both quite popular, worldwide.
>
> If basketball wasn't so popular, worldwide, NBA teams wouldn't
> have signed so many players from so many countries, worldwide.
>
> Even extremely good athletes won't attain the necessary skills
> unless they spend many years developing their skills by playing at a
> relatively high level in a large talent pool. The development of
> that skill requires much more than a backyard basketball net.
Hello, ASAAR:
That same logic applies to Major Leage Baseball, as well. There's not only
the usual influx of Latin Americans, but...more recently, Japanese and other
Asians have been making their individual marks, on our country's erstwhile
"national pastime."
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
Savageduck wrote:
>
> On 2009-06-26 00:37:46 -0700, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> said:
<heavily edited for brevity>
> > I would bet that there is more soccer played in the USA than American
> > Football (or basball or basketball) is played outside the USA.
>
> If any of you have been following the Confederations Cup, you might
> have noticed this Semi-Final result; USA 2 : Spain 0.
> http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/article/2009-06-24/us-stuns-spain-confederations-cup-semis
<edited>
Hello, Savageduck:
Myriad Spaniards may be crying their eyes out, after reading that score.
Americans, on the other hand, probably want to know one thing: When is
the NFL's upcoming "Hall Of Fame Game" played, and on what TV channel
will it be shown? <g>
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
tony cooper wrote:
<heavily edited for brevity>
> Football - the game we call "soccer" in the US - is a very popular
> sport in Europe. It's a great game for people with a limited
> attention span because you really don't have to know what is going on
> on the field. The players just mill around kicking the ball this way
> and that way until someone accidently kicks the ball into one of the
> nets. This often happens once or twice during a complete game.
>
> American football is a game of set plays intended to advance the ball
> in a particular direction. Because of the variety of set plays that
> can be called, this allows for some excitement during the game. In
> European football, the excitement is all concentrated at the end of
> the game when all of the fans exit the stadium though one gate and
> over each other's bodies.
Hello, Tony:
You make a lot of sense, man. :-P
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
Chris H wrote:
<edited for brevity>
> I prefer Rugby... it's like American football but for men. I.e. no
> armour and only 3 substitutions. Not separate teams for offence and
> defence.
Hello, Chris:
Oh, so, you think that our beloved, rugged "gridiron" game is some kind
of a "sissy sport," do you? As a matter of fact, "armour" and massive
"substitutions" weren't always staples of American football.
As examples thereof, here are a few links and related excerpts:
Wikepedia - One-platoon system
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-platoon_football>
'The one-platoon system, also known as "iron man football", was a set
of rules in American football that limited player substitutions and
required players to play on both offense and defense. The alternate
system is known simply as the "platoon system" or the "two-platoon"
due to the use of two separate offensive and defensive units. Both
systems have been used at different times in American college football
and the National Football League.'
<edited>
'After the 1964 season, twelve years since the mandate requiring
one-platoon, the NCAA repealed the rules enforcing its use and
allowed an unlimited amount of player substitutions.[3][4] This
allowed, starting with the 1965 season,[5] teams to form separate
offensive and defensive units as well as "special teams" which
would be employed in kicking situations. The reinstatement of the
two-platoon system allowed players to become more specialized by
focusing on a limited number of plays and skills related to their
specific position.[3] By the early 1970s, however, some university
administrators, coaches and others were calling for a return to
the days of one-platoon football.'
----
NFL History - The Start of the Professional Game
<http://www.nflfootballhistory.net/begin.htm>
'After World War II, college teams were allowed free substitution of
players—that is, a player could enter and leave the game an unlimited
number of times, as long as the ball was not in play during the
substitution. This feature of the game led to the modern two-platoon
system, in which one group of 11 players enters the game to play
offense and a second group enters to play defense. The trend toward
platoons crossed over to the professional game.'
----
Wikepedia - Football helmet
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_helmet>
'By the mid 1940s, helmets were finally required in the NFL. They were
still made of leather, but with improved manufacturing techniques had
assumed their more familiar spherical shape. By the 1950s, the
introduction of polymers brought the leather helmet era to an end. The
face mask was also introduced around this time, reducing the number of
broken noses and teeth, but also necessitating new rules prohibiting
opposing players from grabbing the face mask, a dangerous action which
can call for a penalty of 5 or 15 yards, depending on severity and
intention. The Los Angeles Rams were the first NFL team to put logos on
their helmets, and as of 2008 only the Cleveland Browns do not have any
form of primary logo on their helmets.'
----
Wikepedia - College Football
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football>
'College football increased in popularity through the remainder of the
19th century. It also became increasingly violent. In 1905, President
Theodore Roosevelt threatened to ban the sport following a series of
player deaths from injuries suffered during games. The response to
this was the formation of what became the National Collegiate Athletic
Association, which set rules governing the sport. The rules committee
considered widening the playing field to "open up" the game, but
Harvard Stadium (the first large permanent football stadium) had
recently been built at great expense; it would be rendered useless
by a wider field. The rules committee legalized the forward pass
instead. The first legal pass was thrown by Bradbury Robinson on
September 5, 1906, playing for coach Eddie Cochems, who developed
an early but sophisticated passing offense at St. Louis University.
Another rule change banned "mass momentum" plays (many of which,
like the infamous "flying wedge", were sometimes literally deadly).'
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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TOPIC: simple question...maybe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/25aaf8517adc4c7e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
Tzorzakakis Dimitrios wrote:
>
> ? "John Turco" <jtur@concentric.net> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:4A445D21.1C9A54C0@concentric.net...
> > Nicko wrote:
> >>
> >> At what resolution do you save photos that you show people on the web?
> >> Not photos to be used for specific purposes in web pages, but photos to
> >> be posted just to show to people, say, in a personal gallery.
> >>
> >> Or, I guess more specifically, what is the most common resolution that
> >> people (not necessarily photographers, just average people) have their
> >> monitors set at?
> >>
> >> I'm having a hard time deciding what I should use as a default. I have
> >> been using 96ppi, because that's a compromise between 72ppi (way too
> >> coarse) and 120ppi(files too big?), which is the native resolution of my
> >> 19" monitor, but will the larger dimensions of photos annoy people who
> >> are still running monitors at 72ppi on smaller screens? I don't think
> >> that bandwidth is of much of a concern, but correct me if I am wrong
> >> (how many people are actually still using dialup service?).
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >
> >
> > Hello, Nicko:
> >
> > I'm a dial-up slug, and my Sceptre 24" LCD monitor (model X24WG) is
> > always running at its native resolution of 1920x1200 pixels.
> >
> >
> Hi,
> I have a 2mbps DSL, my 20" Samsung is @1680X1050 which is its native
> resolution. (Widescreen 16:10 or whatever).{Syncmaster 206BW}.
Hello, Tzorzakakis:
Forgot to add that, my Sceptre X24WG is 16:9 (wide screen).
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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TOPIC: How To Detect Snapshooters from Photographers
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1415c1c3e6a92134?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
Ron Hunter wrote:
<heavily edited for brevity>
> times as much time each day in newsgroups as I currently do.
> I have reached an age where I am very aware of the ticking of the clock,
> and I would rather have my pleasure than spend my seconds of life
> editing newsgroup posts. If you don't like that attitude, by all means
> add me to your 'twit list'. Life is way too short to waste doing
> something you don't need to do, and which gives you no pleasure.
Hello, Ron:
They're "ganging up" on you, old man! <g> Seriously, your lack of editing
skill seems to be the rule (rather than the exception), on Usenet.
Incidentally, >everybody< must be aware of "the ticking of the clock," at
one time or another. Regardless of age, life can end suddenly, due to
accidents, natural disasters, etc.
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:49 pm
From: John Turco
RichA wrote:
>
> Plastic? Thermal expansion of plastic is much greater than metal and
> it could very well be why we are seeing focus issues that need "lens
> re-calibration" at service depots or that we see the need for in-
> camera focus fine-tuning. Even cameras and lenses that appear to be
> metal today may have plastic cells holding lenses, components in
> cameras. The cameras are produced in a control temp environment but
> that isn't real life use where temps can vary by 10's of degrees. I
> don't remember all metal AF SLRs needing focus fine-tuning (or having
> that facility) in the film days.
Hello, Rich:
Well, then, why are we seeing so many "posting errors," by >you<?
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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TOPIC: Running OS X on my PC!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/bb50fbf2b3ff2f37?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
whisky-dave wrote:
>
> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
<heavily edited for brevity>
> >>The user didnt; remember which fonts, but I was lucky in that the
> >>offending fonts all had creation dates of April 1st 1976.
> >
> > Just look for last modification date.
>
> Well I was suspicious as we didn;t have any PCs in 1976.
> In fact the first PC was about 1981 or so.
> So that made me suspicious and that the fonts might be a virus or Trojan.
<edited>
Hello, Dave:
Uh, there's more that's "suspicious," than just the year 1976; have
another look at the >date<, below:
April 1st - APRIL FOOL'S DAY! :-D
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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TOPIC: A newbie request help selecting digital camera
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4222610fecc12359?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:48 pm
From: John Turco
ASAAR wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:18:55 -0500, John Turco wrote:
>
> > I've nothing against refurbished products, and even prefer them, in
> > many cases. Nonetheless, where DSLR's are concerned, it might be a
> > better idea, to limit purchases to brand-new merchandise.
> >
> > This is due to the fact that such cameras have "focal-plane" shutters,
> > whose "lifetimes" can be relatively short. (50,000 actuations is the
> > norm, for entry-level models.)
>
> You're thinking of "used" cameras, John, not those that have been
> refurbished. I've yet to see a refurb. that shows even a week's
> worth of wear, and the manufacturer's stated shutter lifetimes
> appear to be substantial understatements, at least for Nikon's and
> Canon's shutters. All of the reports I've read of cameras that have
> had to have their shutters replaced, usually "pro" models, have been
> after they were used for several times more shots than you'd have
> expected, between 400,00 and 500,000. Here are two recent threads
> you may find interesting. The first has several reports of advanced
> shutter life (Nikon & Canon). The second has detailed photos of the
> just replaced Nikon shutter mentioned in the first thread :
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1000&message=31894999
>
> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=32099700
Hello, ASAAR:
Okay, that's good news, for my "entry-level" Pentax K100D -- it only has
1,212 shutter actuations, at the moment. <g>
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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TOPIC: Another falls victim to the horror of P&S's
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/927bee75964a4ce4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 28 2009 10:49 pm
From: John Turco
Rich wrote:
>
> On Jun 22, 5:16 pm, ribbit <rib...@news.group> wrote:
> > RichA wrote:
> > > Heavy evident noise at 100 ISO.
> >
> > >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=32138366
> >
> > The photo he is using for a supposed example was substantially under
> > exposed and had the virtual ISO lifted so something like ISO 1200 by
> > bring up the levels to 'look' like a correctly exposed image.
>
> "Something like?" 3.5 stops? Rubbish.
Hello, Rich:
Hmmm..."rubbish," you say? You should be an expert on that particular
subject -- as you haul so much of it around, during your "day job," as
one of Canada's finest "sanitation engineers." ;-)
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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