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Today's topics:
* Poor, poor P&S owner learns too late... - 7 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/555753247e2a15f7?hl=en
* ISP ending Usenet service: which free/cheap ones are best? - 5 messages, 5
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/d3d77142c047e8f0?hl=en
* Ford, The Survivor....venting! - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/6854901652467a29?hl=en
* How Much Is That Keystone In The Window - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e17c686a87fa7756?hl=en
* New Mandate: The Road Less Travelled, Due July 19th, 2009 - 6 messages, 3
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/b358cb0f0fb31833?hl=en
* bluring a messy background? - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/16214bbd77176240?hl=en
* Could you actually see photos made from RAW files? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/c04187075ef6f9c5?hl=en
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TOPIC: Poor, poor P&S owner learns too late...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/555753247e2a15f7?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 11:56 am
From: John Navas
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:40:40 +0100, "Deep Reset" <DeepReset@hotmail.com>
wrote in <ea6dnSrpRKQtMbPXnZ2dnUVZ8oGdnZ2d@bt.com>:
>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:6kat255pjq5n6qbuhpn68okv6covqu70re@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:30:31 +0100, "Deep Reset" <DeepReset@hotmail.com>
>> wrote in <JeGdnZPghazLN7PXnZ2dnUVZ8mWdnZ2d@bt.com>:
>>
>>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6m9t25h34vgrderu5s6kso9mi9i9b44l54@4ax.com...
>>
>>>> I don't have a "P&S" -- I have an excellent compact super-zoom -- and
>>>
>>>I'm sorry, I thought from the title of ths thread that we *were*
>>>discussing
>>>P&S cameras.
>>>I just assumed that you'd read the title too.
>>>Oh dear.
>>
>> Oh insults -- why am I not surprised.
>
>Point out to me the insult, please?
Don't be disingenuous.
>> The Subject is of course a pejorative that's applied to cameras like my
>> FZ28 by those trying to put it down (a sign of insecurity).
>
>Remind me at what point I directed any pejorative terms at your camera?
>I think it was you who brought it up.
>What does *that* say?
That doesn't work either.
>Really, if you're happy with 36Mpix per cm^2, who am I to argue?
Just can't resist, can you? Insecurity is a bitch, isn't it?
To be clear, those are rhetorical questions -- I'm done --
have the last word.
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
"Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 12:56 pm
From: rwalker
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:54:25 -0500, Caught Another Moron DSLR-TROLL -
YEE HA! <camdtya@camdtya.com> wrote:
snip
>
>Now, do continue to show more of your extensive ignorance and zero talent
>and total inexperience. It's all quite entertaining.
In psychology, the above is referred to as projection.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 1:06 pm
From: John Navas
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:56:33 -0400, rwalker <rwalker@despammed.com>
wrote in <phft25dsc46iovq5eh0j6127ve8bc7drtc@4ax.com>:
>On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:54:25 -0500, Caught Another Moron DSLR-TROLL -
>YEE HA! <camdtya@camdtya.com> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>>
>>Now, do continue to show more of your extensive ignorance and zero talent
>>and total inexperience. It's all quite entertaining.
>
>In psychology, the above is referred to as projection.
In Usenet, the above is referred to as ad hominem.
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 3:41 pm
From: nospam
In article <6m9t25h34vgrderu5s6kso9mi9i9b44l54@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> "P&S" is a pejorative when applied to cameras like my FZ28, as
> I'm sure you know -- since I'm not stooping to pejoratives like "dSLR
> bigot", how about according me the same respect?
only in your mind is it pejorative. numerous camera stores and even
camera makers themselves call non-dslrs point and shoot cameras. it's
nothing more than common usage. playing the pejorative card gets old.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 3:43 pm
From: nospam
In article <g1at2595dh22ri7uosfgfus50l7p1iqo1e@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >Actually, with my 30 year-old 40mm pancake, my DSLR also fits conveniently
> >in my jacket pocket.
> >How about that?
>
> Must be a really, really big pocket!
> Most of my pockets aren't that big.
so where do you keep your ego?
> >I invested in "archaic" DSLR technology precisely because I could continue
> >to enjoy my scalpel-sharp glass collected over the years.
>
> Wasn't an option for me, since Canon orphaned its excellent FD mount
> lenses, but the Leica-branded lens on my FZ28 is likewise excellent.
the fd mount needed an overhaul.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 3:45 pm
From: nospam
In article <6kat255pjq5n6qbuhpn68okv6covqu70re@4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> The Subject is of course a pejorative that's applied to cameras like my
> FZ28 by those trying to put it down (a sign of insecurity).
nonsense.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 4:43 pm
From: John Navas
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:43:41 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
in <090620091843419477%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <g1at2595dh22ri7uosfgfus50l7p1iqo1e@4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >Actually, with my 30 year-old 40mm pancake, my DSLR also fits conveniently
>> >in my jacket pocket.
>> >How about that?
>>
>> Must be a really, really big pocket!
>> Most of my pockets aren't that big.
>
>so where do you keep your ego?
Presumably the same place you keep yours. ;)
>> >I invested in "archaic" DSLR technology precisely because I could continue
>> >to enjoy my scalpel-sharp glass collected over the years.
>>
>> Wasn't an option for me, since Canon orphaned its excellent FD mount
>> lenses, but the Leica-branded lens on my FZ28 is likewise excellent.
>
>the fd mount needed an overhaul.
To the contrary, arguably the most rugged and durable mount of any SLR
system, but expensive and a bit less convenient for casual users.
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
"Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
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TOPIC: ISP ending Usenet service: which free/cheap ones are best?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/d3d77142c047e8f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 12:02 pm
From: William Black
Nobody wrote:
>
> "AKT" <akt@null.void> wrote in message
> news:090620090938243222%akt@null.void...
>> My ISP (ATT) just sent this:
>>
>>> Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
>>> offering access to the Usenet netnews service.
>>
>> Does anybody know which free / cheap services are best?
>
> news.motzarella.org
Seconded.
--
William Black
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 1:08 pm
From: "Jim Menning"
"Nobody" <nobody@cares.invalid> wrote in message
news:h0m9b1$ek6$1@freespeech.eternal-september.org...
>
> "AKT" <akt@null.void> wrote in message news:090620090938243222%akt@null.void...
>> My ISP (ATT) just sent this:
>>
>>> Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
>>> offering access to the Usenet netnews service.
>>
>> Does anybody know which free / cheap services are best?
>
> news.motzarella.org
>
> news.aioe.org
>
> both are free, ok most of the time
>
>
>
I've tried both of them and also free.teranews.com and textnews.new.cambrium.nl .
But the one I found to be consistently the best was news.albasani.net . They seem to
have lots less downtime and greater retention than most. I also kept the teranews
just for the binaries groups, which albasani doesn't carry.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 1:26 pm
From: Rich
On Jun 9, 10:38 am, AKT <a...@null.void> wrote:
> My ISP (ATT) just sent this:
>
> > Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
> > offering access to the Usenet netnews service.
>
> Does anybody know which free / cheap services are best?
And naturally, you ISP will raise their rates on cue, despite this
service cut-back.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 2:46 pm
From: John Navas
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:26:07 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127@gmail.com>
wrote in
<bd94e6b5-af20-46ed-b9ad-7e29574675eb@j12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>:
>On Jun 9, 10:38 am, AKT <a...@null.void> wrote:
>> My ISP (ATT) just sent this:
>>
>> > Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
>> > offering access to the Usenet netnews service.
>>
>> Does anybody know which free / cheap services are best?
>
>And naturally, you ISP will raise their rates on cue, despite this
>service cut-back.
The "service cut-back" affects only a tiny minority of subscribers.
--
Best regards,
John
Panasonic DMC-FZ28 (and several others)
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 4:02 pm
From: Don Lancaster
AKT wrote:
> My ISP (ATT) just sent this:
>
>> Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
>> offering access to the Usenet netnews service.
>
> Does anybody know which free / cheap services are best?
news.individual.net works well for us.
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
rss: http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xml email: don@tinaja.com
Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
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TOPIC: Ford, The Survivor....venting!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/6854901652467a29?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 12:52 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
Readers Digest used to do that. Pop one spark plug wire off,
and go to a variety of garages.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in
message
news:hdGdnenb9PJc1bDXnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
I'd have to re-check if they still do it, but one of the
French tabloids
here used to run stings by setting up a few defects in a car
and then
finding out which garages would find them and repair them
properly for a
fair price. The results were all over the map, but of
course it was a
good thing for garages that were published as doing the
right thing.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 12:53 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
Yes, I've heard that many times. Repair garages treat women
differently. What a shame.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Dymphna" <Dymphna.3tixrs@no-mx.forums.travel.com> wrote in
message news:Dymphna.3tixrs@no-mx.forums.travel.com...
For females it is worse.
--
Dymphna
Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com
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TOPIC: How Much Is That Keystone In The Window
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e17c686a87fa7756?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 12:54 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"
I had a much smaller bellows camera, I offered on Ebay. Not
much interest. May still have it, can't remember.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:mofr25h0klt51nl585h7lu8ovbdg2bu55n@4ax.com...
I drove over to Cocoa, Florida, today. In the downtown area
there's a
store that's full of junk (or treasures, depending on your
interest)
that's been there for over 30 years. I've been in it and
purchased
some things, but it's now closed and doesn't look like it's
been open
for a couple of years.
I shot this through a very dusty window:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/1474lab.jpg
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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TOPIC: New Mandate: The Road Less Travelled, Due July 19th, 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/b358cb0f0fb31833?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 1:26 pm
From: Alan Browne
On 09-06-09 03:09, Pete D wrote:
> "Bowser"<up@gone.now> wrote in message
> news:4a2d7dcc$0$11539$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>> Courtesy of our Canadian friend, the new mandate is "The Road Less
>> Travelled." The due date for this mandate is July 19th, 2009. I had to
>> extend the due date a bit to accomodate my work and vacation schedule, but
>> it'll give us more time to shoot some originals rather than submitting
>> archive shots. So please avoid the archive shots for this one!
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/road_less_traveled
>>
>> The photo in the gallery is from Southern Utah, taken shortly before the
>> road became impassable by SUV.
>
> Dang, was looking to start putting some entries in these shootouts and this
> mandate would be great for a trip I am doing up through some of the Aussie
> desert areas next month.
Submit late. I'm sure Bowser can be cajoled into adding your late
entries, or at least you can do a later posting elsewhere that we'll all
enjoy.
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 1:44 pm
From: Alan Browne
On 08-06-09 17:07, Bowser wrote:
> Courtesy of our Canadian friend, the new mandate is "The Road Less
> Travelled." The due date for this mandate is July 19th, 2009. I had to
> extend the due date a bit to accomodate my work and vacation schedule,
> but it'll give us more time to shoot some originals rather than
> submitting archive shots. So please avoid the archive shots for this one!
>
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/road_less_traveled
>
> The photo in the gallery is from Southern Utah, taken shortly before the
> road became impassable by SUV.
In suggesting the mandate I was not thinking of roads but rather "ways,
means, methods, approaches, techniques, ....." to whatever photo you
like. Of course an actual road could be the subject. It might be well
traveled, but not by you, or one well traveled, but in a different way...
Cheers,
Alan
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-- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm
-- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin
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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 2:26 pm
From: "Bowser"
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
news:y9SdnXwX79hfVLPXnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 08-06-09 17:07, Bowser wrote:
>> Courtesy of our Canadian friend, the new mandate is "The Road Less
>> Travelled." The due date for this mandate is July 19th, 2009. I had to
>> extend the due date a bit to accomodate my work and vacation schedule,
>> but it'll give us more time to shoot some originals rather than
>> submitting archive shots. So please avoid the archive shots for this one!
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/road_less_traveled
>>
>> The photo in the gallery is from Southern Utah, taken shortly before the
>> road became impassable by SUV.
>
>
> In suggesting the mandate I was not thinking of roads but rather "ways,
> means, methods, approaches, techniques, ....." to whatever photo you like.
> Of course an actual road could be the subject. It might be well traveled,
> but not by you, or one well traveled, but in a different way...
And that is precisely I did not expand on your definition. It's completely
open to the shooter's intrepertation. Hopefully, things will stay clean.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 2:27 pm
From: "Bowser"
"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:4a2e0ac3$0$32382$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Bowser" <up@gone.now> wrote in message
> news:4a2d7dcc$0$11539$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>> Courtesy of our Canadian friend, the new mandate is "The Road Less
>> Travelled." The due date for this mandate is July 19th, 2009. I had to
>> extend the due date a bit to accomodate my work and vacation schedule,
>> but it'll give us more time to shoot some originals rather than
>> submitting archive shots. So please avoid the archive shots for this one!
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/road_less_traveled
>>
>> The photo in the gallery is from Southern Utah, taken shortly before the
>> road became impassable by SUV.
>
> Dang, was looking to start putting some entries in these shootouts and
> this mandate would be great for a trip I am doing up through some of the
> Aussie desert areas next month.
Send them whenever you can and I'll post them. How far off the date would
you estimate?
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 2:31 pm
From: Alan Browne
On 09-06-09 17:26, Bowser wrote:
>
> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:y9SdnXwX79hfVLPXnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On 08-06-09 17:07, Bowser wrote:
>>> Courtesy of our Canadian friend, the new mandate is "The Road Less
>>> Travelled." The due date for this mandate is July 19th, 2009. I had to
>>> extend the due date a bit to accomodate my work and vacation schedule,
>>> but it'll give us more time to shoot some originals rather than
>>> submitting archive shots. So please avoid the archive shots for this
>>> one!
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/road_less_traveled
>>>
>>> The photo in the gallery is from Southern Utah, taken shortly before the
>>> road became impassable by SUV.
>>
>>
>> In suggesting the mandate I was not thinking of roads but rather
>> "ways, means, methods, approaches, techniques, ....." to whatever
>> photo you like. Of course an actual road could be the subject. It
>> might be well traveled, but not by you, or one well traveled, but in a
>> different way...
>
> And that is precisely I did not expand on your definition. It's
> completely open to the shooter's intrepertation. Hopefully, things will
> stay clean.
I was just reacting to your SI image that represents the mandate.
Cheers,
Alan.
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 3:53 pm
From: Peter Chant
Bowser wrote:
> Courtesy of our Canadian friend, the new mandate is "The Road Less
> Travelled." The due date for this mandate is July 19th, 2009. I had to
> extend the due date a bit to accomodate my work and vacation schedule, but
> it'll give us more time to shoot some originals rather than submitting
> archive shots. So please avoid the archive shots for this one!
Bowser,
did you get my submission for filters? Sent it on 18th May to
si.moderator@yahoo.com .
Pete
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TOPIC: bluring a messy background?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/16214bbd77176240?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 2:37 pm
From: Dave Cohen
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> I took a photo of someone in a shop and the background is distracting.
>> I tried to use the blur tool to blur the messy background but this did
>> not look right. Is there a better way of buring a background so a
>> person stand out and the background is not distracting to the viewer?
>>
>> I am using Adobe photoshop elements 7.
>
> I don't use PhotoShop, but the method is rather generic.
>
> First, do a selection that includes basically the part you
> want to stand out. It does *not* have to be precise. Then
> invert the selection so that it is everything you want to
> be less obvious that is selected.
>
> Then you want to "feather" the selection. But how much depends
> on the resolution of your image and just how large the object
> is. Set the value to enough pixels that a smooth gradient will
> be produced, not a sharp transition that is obvious. This is the
> first of a series, and each time the feathering will be greater.
> This first one should be fairly thin.
>
> Note that when you add feathering it will go on both sides of
> the line where it is selected. Hence some of the feathered
> selection will be outside of the area you want to blur, and
> inside what you want to be sharp. Because of that, you'll want
> to begin with very very mild adjustments. Blur the selection
> with a setting that you can barely see, if at all. And then set
> the contrast ever so slightly lower and perhaps brightness too.
>
> After the first adjustments, decrease the size of the selected
> area by about the same number of pixels as the amount of
> feathering. Reset the feathering too, and use a slightly larger
> number of pixels. Then do the same blur/contrast/brightness
> adjustments, but with slightly greater values.
>
> Repeat the above series. This should probably be done in at
> least half a dozen increments. Eventually you get to a position
> where the selection is half way from the edges of the image to
> the area to be preserved, and it is then possible to set
> feathering to the minimum width of the selected area and hit it
> with the maximum blur that you want to show up at the edges.
>
PhotoPlus feathers outwards. Not sure about others.
Dave Cohen
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 3:50 pm
From: daveFaktor
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> wrote:
>> I took a photo of someone in a shop and the background is distracting.
>> I tried to use the blur tool to blur the messy background but this did
>> not look right. Is there a better way of buring a background so a
>> person stand out and the background is not distracting to the viewer?
>
> Suggestion for next time: use a lens with a large apperture wide open,
> thus creating a very shallow DOF.
>
> jue
For now... There is a Photoshop plugin for creating a Depth of Field map
which you can then use to blur the picture from the focus point back (or
forward). It's not free but it works exceptionally well if you are
willing to spend the time to learn how to use it properly.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 4:40 pm
From: tony cooper
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:50:11 +1000, daveFaktor <davefaktor@this.group>
wrote:
>Jürgen Exner wrote:
>> Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> wrote:
>>> I took a photo of someone in a shop and the background is distracting.
>>> I tried to use the blur tool to blur the messy background but this did
>>> not look right. Is there a better way of buring a background so a
>>> person stand out and the background is not distracting to the viewer?
>>
>> Suggestion for next time: use a lens with a large apperture wide open,
>> thus creating a very shallow DOF.
>>
>> jue
>
>For now... There is a Photoshop plugin for creating a Depth of Field map
>which you can then use to blur the picture from the focus point back (or
>forward). It's not free but it works exceptionally well if you are
>willing to spend the time to learn how to use it properly.
Why in world would you buy a program to blur a background?
All you have to do is duplicate the background copy twice (Control J
twice), make the top layer active, turn off the "eye" in the bottom
two layers, create a selection of the whatever is in the foreground
that you want to remain in focus, inverse, and hit "delete". Then go
to the second layer, turn the eye on, and apply a Gaussian blur to
that level to the point where the background is sufficiently blurred,
turn the eye back on in the top layer, flatten, and save as a .jpg.
Some feathering may be appropriate in making the selection.
I have an extra couple of layers, but I do that because I want to be
able to dump a layer if I don't like what I've done.
The selection can be made with a layer mask, the Quick Mask, the Pen
Tool, or one of the lassos if working in full Photoshop. (Lasso or
Magic Selection Brush in Elements). The Eraser could be used, but
it's non-correctable.
The Blur Tool is not designed to blur a background. It's for blurring
small bits, and it's not very good at that. You could take the Blur
Tool and the Smudge Tool out of Photoshop and no experienced user
would miss it.
There must be 100 or more tutorials on line on how to make selections
and delete a background. The only difference here is that you are not
deleting the background completely. You are keeping it on a layer and
letting it show through around the sharp foreground part.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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TOPIC: Could you actually see photos made from RAW files?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/c04187075ef6f9c5?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Jun 9 2009 3:36 pm
From: Eric Stevens
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:43:42 -0800, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:
>Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>>I've been effecting interpolation in the mathematical sense for at
>>least 50 years. As far as I am concerned interpolation means the
>>determination of the value at a point on the basis of the values at
>>two or more related points. I could express that more rigorously but
>>it would take too long.
>
>However, we are not discussing mathematics in theory or
>practice; we are discussing how digital cameras work. You have
>specifically suggested, more than once, that Nikon has never
>heard of the definition that I use for interpolation. Yet:
>
> "To understand the role of color filters, consider primary
> color filters, which are normally composed of red, green and
> blue (RGB) mosaics. Each image pixel captures a particular
> intensity of one of these colors of light. To reproduce the
> photographed subject, calculations are performed by combining
> captured image data of one color per pixel. As a result,
> three component colors (R, G and B) are recovered at each
> pixel. This process is called interpolation."
> http://www.nikon.com/about/technology/core/image/image_processing_e/
>
>While there is certainly an obvious connection between your
>definition and the one Nikon uses, lets be clear that in this
>discussion it is the Nikon definition of "interpolation" (which
>is a specific "term of art") rather than a general mathematics
>definition, that is appropriate.
>
>Your broad definition could be, for example, used to obfuscate
>the discussion ...
Why should I use the definition of 'interpolation' to obfuscate an
argument when all I have to is let you expound on the subject? :-)
> ... by claiming that "interpolation) refers to noise
>reduction, sharpening, auto exposure, even filtering or almost
>any processing that involves awareness of more than one data
>value to make a calculation. That of course is a non-productive
>mechanism intended only to provide a shield to hide previously
>ignorant statements behind.
Eric Stevens
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