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* Recommendation for a colour printer - 10 messages, 6 authors
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* Photoshop histogram is not same? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Recommendation for a colour printer
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/2d52644a5ca5db6a?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 11 2009 4:14 pm
From: Joel

Les Desser <NewsDump1@dessergroup.com> wrote:

> In article <110620091353459218%HP@snotmail.com>, High Priest
> <HP@snotmail.com> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:53:45 writes
>
> >Les, I print photos for a professional (See hamilton-archives.com)
> >whose signed, numbered prints sell for around $12,000 so you can
> >imagine we are both _very_ fussy about quality.
>
> [.....]
>
> Thank you for your very detailed post and to all the others for their
> suggestions and comments.
>
> I've forwarded all the post. I'll be back if he has any queries.
>
> Many thanks again.

I would suggest not to forget the GOOGLE which often give more detail
information than most people or even book can give.

So,

- If not so picky then s/he can always bring to a local Photolab and can get
the photos printed within an hour or so. And it's VERY CHEAP these days.

- If s/he want to own his/her Photolab and don't care much about expensive
INK cartrdige then s/he may want to do some research about

a. Refillable Ink Cartridge which usually cost between $20-200 depending
on the number of catridge and which company you buy from.

Or besides the price difference, most if not all cartridges are the same
if not exactly the same. The refillable ink catridge is better choice
than refilling the original catridge which will be limited to around
3-4 fills then you will have to replace with a newer set. And you will
need a CHIP RESETTER etc.

b. Or s/he (or you) can go for the CISS (Continious Ink Supply System)
some company bundles with already filled and ink bottles. The price
for filled and ink bottle can be from around $50 - $300 depending on
where you buy

So, GOOGLE around for extra information and PRI$E

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 9:00 am
From: mike@nosamm.org

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:36:12 +0100, Les Desser <NewsDump1@dessergroup.com>
wrote:

>In article <110620091353459218%HP@snotmail.com>, High Priest
><HP@snotmail.com> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:53:45 writes
>
>>Les, I print photos for a professional (See hamilton-archives.com)
>>whose signed, numbered prints sell for around $12,000 so you can
>>imagine we are both _very_ fussy about quality.
>
>[.....]
>
>Thank you for your very detailed post and to all the others for their
>suggestions and comments.
>
>I've forwarded all the post. I'll be back if he has any queries.
>
>Many thanks again.

Canon ink jets get the highest consumer ratings. I had an Epson for a
number of years with no problems.
Then purchased a deeply discounted Canon (about $50 IP4200) and refilled
my own cartridges. After about 2 years I was unable to clean the ink
heads in spite of using 'heroic' measures such as soaking it in hot
ammonia overnight etc. One MUST use and ink jet every few days or else it
dries up - permanently!

I had a good supply of ink so I bought two (2) IP3500 that will use the
same ink and cartridges. (about $55US ea with ink).

Epson is a good brand. I have two dot matrix printers that never died.
I prefer Canon software. Since the life seems to be that of the print
head - buy cheap (grin).

m

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 10:11 am
From: Mike Russell

Epson's are my favorite as far as image quality and permananeces, and can
be very economical with a continuous ink system.

The quality of almost all of the recent inkjets is excellent. Hp printers
are convenient, though, and you'll never hear that (expensive) sound of the
jets cleaning themselves ever again, since for HP the heads are built into
the cart.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 10:39 am
From: MO full name

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:11:50 -0700, Mike Russell
<groupsRE@MOVEcurvemeister.com> wrote:

>Epson's are my favorite as far as image quality and permananeces, and can
>be very economical with a continuous ink system.
>
>The quality of almost all of the recent inkjets is excellent. Hp printers
>are convenient, though, and you'll never hear that (expensive) sound of the
>jets cleaning themselves ever again, since for HP the heads are built into
>the cart.

Sounds expensive (HP) and that refilling your own not practical.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 11:28 am
From: Mike Russell

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:39:34 -0700, MO full name wrote:

> Sounds expensive (HP) and that refilling your own not practical.

Didn't mean to convey that impression. The newer Epson carts are chipped,
so you can't easily do refills - though there are ways around that. I have
an HP all-in-one that does a couple hundred 4x6 prints on a set of
cartridges, as well as all our normal printing (which is a relatively small
amount). New carts are about $40 or for both the larger black and white.
The best thing is no cleaning cycles, and no jets to get clogged.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 12:39 pm
From: Joel

MO full name <nospam@holes.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:11:50 -0700, Mike Russell
> <groupsRE@MOVEcurvemeister.com> wrote:
>
> >Epson's are my favorite as far as image quality and permananeces, and can
> >be very economical with a continuous ink system.
> >
> >The quality of almost all of the recent inkjets is excellent. Hp printers
> >are convenient, though, and you'll never hear that (expensive) sound of the
> >jets cleaning themselves ever again, since for HP the heads are built into
> >the cart.
>
> Sounds expensive (HP) and that refilling your own not practical.

Just like about all inkjet and even laswer printer, you can refill your
own cartdige or toner. But different type of cartridge/design may have some
limitation and different trick to deal with different CHIP protection.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 12:42 pm
From: Joel

Mike Russell <groupsRE@MOVEcurvemeister.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:39:34 -0700, MO full name wrote:
>
> > Sounds expensive (HP) and that refilling your own not practical.
>
> Didn't mean to convey that impression. The newer Epson carts are chipped,
> so you can't easily do refills - though there are ways around that. I have
> an HP all-in-one that does a couple hundred 4x6 prints on a set of
> cartridges, as well as all our normal printing (which is a relatively small
> amount). New carts are about $40 or for both the larger black and white.
> The best thing is no cleaning cycles, and no jets to get clogged.

Like all inkjet manufactures, Epson has been using CHIP protection for
quite some years now. And the current newer Epson now have 2 CHIPS for
extra protection.

But just like life nothing is perfect so YES you still can bypass the
newer protection technology.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 2:23 pm
From: mike@nosamm.org

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:39:24 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:

>MO full name <nospam@holes.org> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:11:50 -0700, Mike Russell
>> <groupsRE@MOVEcurvemeister.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Epson's are my favorite as far as image quality and permananeces, and can
>> >be very economical with a continuous ink system.
>> >
>> >The quality of almost all of the recent inkjets is excellent. Hp printers
>> >are convenient, though, and you'll never hear that (expensive) sound of the
>> >jets cleaning themselves ever again, since for HP the heads are built into
>> >the cart.
>>
>> Sounds expensive (HP) and that refilling your own not practical.
>
> Just like about all inkjet and even laswer printer, you can refill your
>own cartdige or toner. But different type of cartridge/design may have some
>limitation and different trick to deal with different CHIP protection.

So how is it done in HP and Epson?

In Canon IP3500 and IP4200 (likely all Canon printers??) one just open the
cart on top, fill with ink and insert a rubber stopper provided with the
refill kit.
Insert the cart back in the head and the NON- original will be detected by
the software. Simply ignore ALL the warnings and loss of warranty etc.
and tell the printer to proceed by clicking in the selected boxes. The
software will proceed and not use that function from then on. Out of
sight and out of mind. One does this for each cart as they get close to
low.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 4:57 pm
From: Talker

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:11:50 -0700, Mike Russell
<groupsRE@MOVEcurvemeister.com> wrote:

>Epson's are my favorite as far as image quality and permananeces, and can
>be very economical with a continuous ink system.
>
>The quality of almost all of the recent inkjets is excellent. Hp printers
>are convenient, though, and you'll never hear that (expensive) sound of the
>jets cleaning themselves ever again, since for HP the heads are built into
>the cart.

That's why I prefer HP over the Epson...no more clogged heads. I
have an Epson R220 that I use exclusively for printing on CDs and
DVDs. I also have an HP Photosmart 7550 and a Kodak 1400 Pro (thermal
dye).
The cost of the cartridges is about the same for both the Epson
and the HP. If I buy the twin pack of color cartridges (One
tri-color, the other photocolor) and one black cartridge for my HP, it
costs about $72. If I buy the multicolor pack and one black cartridge
for the Epson. it costs about $84.
The only down side to the HP is that the color cartridge contains
three colors, so if one color runs out, you have to throw away the
other two colors in order to change to a new cartridge.

Talker

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 4:32 pm
From: DavidA

On Jun 10, 7:42 am, Les Desser <NewsDu...@dessergroup.com> wrote:
> I have a friend who is an illustrator - does hand drawings, scans them
> in and then does final touching up on Photoshop.
>
> He has asked me for a recommendation for a suitable colour printer that
> will do accurate prints.
>
> Volume is not high - maybe 25 - 50 pages a month.
>
> My gut feel is that he would be best served with an inkjet printer but I
> don't have a clue as to what features to look out for.  I presume that
> the ability to calibrate the printer is important.  Cost is an issue so
> not too expensive.
>
> Can anyone recommend a suitable printer?

I just bought a Canon PixmaPro 9000. Cost around $450 maybe a bit
more than your friend wants to pay, but colour reproduction is superb
and prints up to A3 or 13"x19". I believe any of the Pixma range
produce good results.

David

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TOPIC: Photoshop histogram is not same?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/9de83b81a3de337a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 9:21 am
From: Dave

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), hai c <wys625@gmail.com>
wrote:

>use level than look histogram change
>
>but save picture and open picture
>histogram are not same
>why?

because there is a difference between them

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 12 2009 2:30 pm
From: Sir F. A. Rien

Dave <dave@durbs.koza> found these unused words:

>On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), hai c <wys625@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>use level than look histogram change
>>
>>but save picture and open picture
>>histogram are not same
>>why?
>
>because there is a difference between them

Should be the same IF you use a lossless file format.

All bets are off with jpunk.

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