Sunday, June 21, 2009

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* Idea For An iPhone Type Application - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* >>>>>> INTERRACIAL MATURE <<<<<< - 1 messages, 1 author
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* >>>>>> CELEBRITY NIPPLE <<<<<< - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jun 19 2009 6:00 pm
From: Rev Turd Fredericks


Rebecca Ore wrote:
> In article <rED_l.177975$Xo1.94361@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:
>
>> But we are talking about the Amber alert system, a way to try and catch
>> someone fleeing with a child they don't have legal custody of. I can't
>> say I disagree with some of your points, but they stray from the topic
>> at hand, and I really don't feel like debating them. I say that any
>> resource that can help catch a child which has been abducted (parental
>> or not) is useful on some level. Having lived close to the Mexican
>> border for 13 years, parents or other abducting children and fleeing the
>> country was a fairly common occurrence (I would say that at least twice
>> a month such incidents make the news in the LA area), some became Amber
>> alerts some did not. Either way, if the public has the information they
>> can help.
>
> The point of Amber Alerts was to catch people who had just snatched a
> child they were going to murder. The saner members of the general
> public will ignore Amber Alerts that are obviously custody battles
> because we just don't know the details and the courts generally don't
> either.
Or just to catch somebody who snatched a child for some other purpose.

>
> The real danger from all the hysteria is creating fear in children about
> strangers (who are generally not child rapist and killers), which means
> that lost children (and I was lost twice as a child) won't seek help
> from strangers as I did. Most real problems for children come from
> relatives and people who aren't strangers.

This is true. However I was not scared of strangers when I was a kid and
I don't know any kids who are so afraid of strangers that if lost they
wouldn't seek help. I just don't see that.
>
> I'd help a lost child find home; I won't bother with a custody fight
> because I don't know the details and I don't believe courts really put
> forth enough effort to figure it out either, and sociopaths are very
> convincing, and even criminals can be good parents (saw that with my
> next door neighbors in Virginia).

What would you do if a kid on your street, maybe a kid who you had seen
around but didn't actually know, came to our door and said "my dad is
trying to take me to mexico and mommmy told me not to talk to him."
would you let the kid in and call the cops? or would you tell the kid to
get lost?


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 20 2009 1:55 am
From: Rebecca Ore


In article <axW_l.42233$op1.7321@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>,
Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:

> Rebecca Ore wrote:

> > The point of Amber Alerts was to catch people who had just snatched a
> > child they were going to murder. The saner members of the general
> > public will ignore Amber Alerts that are obviously custody battles
> > because we just don't know the details and the courts generally don't
> > either.
> Or just to catch somebody who snatched a child for some other purpose.


Look at the international search for one little three year old who
wouldn't have gone missing if her parents had hired a babysitter when
they went out to eat. Couldn't have been more posters out, couldn't
have been more hysteria. Didn't find her. I remember someone spamming
the world because some 19 year old woman went missing in Japan.
Likewise, no results.


> >
> > The real danger from all the hysteria is creating fear in children about
> > strangers (who are generally not child rapist and killers), which means
> > that lost children (and I was lost twice as a child) won't seek help
> > from strangers as I did. Most real problems for children come from
> > relatives and people who aren't strangers.
>
> This is true. However I was not scared of strangers when I was a kid and
> I don't know any kids who are so afraid of strangers that if lost they
> wouldn't seek help. I just don't see that.

Most real problems for children come from relatives and people who are
not strangers.

> >
> > I'd help a lost child find home; I won't bother with a custody fight
> > because I don't know the details and I don't believe courts really put
> > forth enough effort to figure it out either, and sociopaths are very
> > convincing, and even criminals can be good parents (saw that with my
> > next door neighbors in Virginia).
>
> What would you do if a kid on your street, maybe a kid who you had seen
> around but didn't actually know, came to our door and said "my dad is
> trying to take me to mexico and mommmy told me not to talk to him."
> would you let the kid in and call the cops? or would you tell the kid to
> get lost?

My grandmother shut the door on a woman who was screaming that her
husband was going kill her. My grandmother knew that the woman had been
sleeping with another man and didn't give a damn. Never heard whether
the woman was killed or not. My grandmother certainly didn't let
adulteresses into her house.

I also know that kids can lie -- people have been jailed for years
because some kids and a demented social worker made up bullshit about
child molestations that were physiologically impossible (you can't rape
a six year old without doing damage). Little sociopathic brat -- who
knows what the real story is.

See, I don't believe that children are all that stupid or all that
innocent.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 20 2009 6:39 pm
From: Rev Turd Fredericks


Rebecca Ore wrote:
> In article <axW_l.42233$op1.7321@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>,
> Rev Turd Fredericks <turdfred2@catholic.org> wrote:
>
>> Rebecca Ore wrote:
>
>>> The point of Amber Alerts was to catch people who had just snatched a
>>> child they were going to murder. The saner members of the general
>>> public will ignore Amber Alerts that are obviously custody battles
>>> because we just don't know the details and the courts generally don't
>>> either.
>> Or just to catch somebody who snatched a child for some other purpose.
>
>
> Look at the international search for one little three year old who
> wouldn't have gone missing if her parents had hired a babysitter when
> they went out to eat. Couldn't have been more posters out, couldn't
> have been more hysteria. Didn't find her. I remember someone spamming
> the world because some 19 year old woman went missing in Japan.
> Likewise, no results.
>
So you are saying then that when a child goes missing, nobody should
bother, it's a matter between the parents and the abductor.
>
>>> The real danger from all the hysteria is creating fear in children about
>>> strangers (who are generally not child rapist and killers), which means
>>> that lost children (and I was lost twice as a child) won't seek help
>>> from strangers as I did. Most real problems for children come from
>>> relatives and people who aren't strangers.
>> This is true. However I was not scared of strangers when I was a kid and
>> I don't know any kids who are so afraid of strangers that if lost they
>> wouldn't seek help. I just don't see that.
>
> Most real problems for children come from relatives and people who are
> not strangers.

I don't dispute that.
>
>>> I'd help a lost child find home; I won't bother with a custody fight
>>> because I don't know the details and I don't believe courts really put
>>> forth enough effort to figure it out either, and sociopaths are very
>>> convincing, and even criminals can be good parents (saw that with my
>>> next door neighbors in Virginia).
>> What would you do if a kid on your street, maybe a kid who you had seen
>> around but didn't actually know, came to our door and said "my dad is
>> trying to take me to mexico and mommmy told me not to talk to him."
>> would you let the kid in and call the cops? or would you tell the kid to
>> get lost?
>
> My grandmother shut the door on a woman who was screaming that her
> husband was going kill her. My grandmother knew that the woman had been
> sleeping with another man and didn't give a damn. Never heard whether
> the woman was killed or not. My grandmother certainly didn't let
> adulteresses into her house.

Your grandmother must have been a hell of a good neighbor. A real good
christian, always willing to help her fellow man and all that.
>
> I also know that kids can lie -- people have been jailed for years
> because some kids and a demented social worker made up bullshit about
> child molestations that were physiologically impossible (you can't rape
> a six year old without doing damage). Little sociopathic brat -- who
> knows what the real story is.
>
> See, I don't believe that children are all that stupid or all that
> innocent.

They aren't all that powerful and are easily forced into a car. That's
why they need a little more care than full grown adults.

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