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* I hate environmentalists - 10 messages, 7 authors
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* Nikon D90 no light meter in LV - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Diff Nikon and Canon Lens System - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* New Mandate repost - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* D90 with grip faster with AA batteries? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* New: Nikon D5000 - 4 messages, 2 authors
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 4:41 pm
From: George Kerby

On 4/14/09 5:49 PM, in article pk4au4p5n4m3o98h1i8r88vc26qrqlkrl1@4ax.com,
"John A." <john@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:36:02 -0500, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/09 1:23 PM, in article
>> bfa76051-957e-4570-be8e-7e8895b6859e@s22g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "Twibil"
>> <nowayjose6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 14, 6:46 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty ladies don't need to be smart.
>>>>
>>>>> They do if they're running for high office and there's an informed
>>>>> electorate.
>>>>
>>>>> For example, see the recent election results...
>>>>
>>>> That's why the bitch is now Sec of State?
>>>
>>> Exactly. In *both* ways that can be taken.
>>>
>>> (A) Hillary lost the nomination because while she's smart as hell
>>> about some things, she's never figured out how to be likable when she
>>> needs to, and that's dumb.
>>
>> Not smart enough to control Bubba with flying ashtrays.
>>>
>>> (B) On the other hand, Obama wouldn't have had her on the team unless
>>> he thought she could do the job, and you've got to admit that he
>>> picked the perfect position for her: a Sec of State needs to be smart
>>> and to have all the emotional sweetness of a hungry white shark
>>> closing in for the kill.
>>>
>>
>> "White Shark"?!? A Freudian slip?
>>
>>> Fits her perfectly.
>>>
>>> ~Pete
>>
>> The "recent election" - referring to Primary 2008 where she got her ass
>> kicked.
>
> Wow! If that's what you call getting your ass kicked, what the heck do
> you call what happened to McCain?

Just in case you don't know: Most people would not call a 53% - 47% margin
an "ass-kicking".

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008>

Was only slightly more one more point than Bush "stole the election" that
you raving bleating DemoCraps cry.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004>

An "asswhippin'" is more like 66% - 34%: Hillary got handed her fat pantsuit
ass handed to because of Super Delegate voting. I personally voted for Obama
in the Primary - to keep her insane ass anywhere NEAR the White House. And
then he goes and gives her a position to keep her from throwing shit at him.
Go figure!

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_
primaries,_2008#Superdelegates>

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 4:44 pm
From: George Kerby

On 4/14/09 9:55 PM, in article
6509cd37-c52a-49e2-9957-35356ec1eddb@d25g2000prn.googlegroups.com, "Twibil"
<nowayjose6@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 14, 3:36 pm, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Pretty ladies don't need to be smart.
>>
>>>>> They do if they're running for high office and there's an informed
>>>>> electorate.
>>
>>>>> For example, see the recent election results...
>>
>>>> That's why the bitch is now Sec of State?
>>
>>> Exactly. In *both* ways that can be taken.
>>
>>> (A) Hillary lost the nomination because while she's smart as hell
>>> about some things, she's never figured out how to be likable when she
>>> needs to, and that's dumb.
>>
>> Not smart enough to control Bubba with flying ashtrays.
>
>> The "recent election" - referring to Primary 2008 where she got her ass
>> kicked.
>
> Actually I was referring to Sarah Palin getting her ass kicked in the
> election. (Pretty she is, but bright she's not.)
>
> You just made the wrong assumption.
>
No. YOU made the wrong assumption because of Katie Couric and the left-tard
media who get thrills up their leg at the voice of The Anointed One.

I'm ouuta here: Gotta go find my teabags...

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 4:48 pm
From: George Kerby

On 4/14/09 10:27 PM, in article 49e55408$0$1593$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:

> George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/14/09 12:38 PM, in article 49e4ca31$0$1601$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net,
>> "Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Twibil"
>>>>> On Apr 13, 7:13 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>> Twibil <nowayjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Savageduck <savaged...@savage.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> (In a related story, psychologists have discovered that it's
>>>>>>>>> invariably the least intelligent and least educated people who see and
>>>>>>>>> state things in absolutes. Brighter souls recognise that there are
>>>>>>>>> seldom cases where there are pure blacks and pure whites, and tend to
>>>>>>>>> concentrate on distinguishing the shades of grey in any given
>>>>>>>>> situation. For an example, see the differences between Sarah Palin and
>>>>>>>>> John McCain...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She has much more appealing legs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You betcha she does!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the striking intellect of a three-week-dead Haddock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty ladies don't need to be smart.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do if they're running for high office and there's an informed
>>>>> electorate.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, see the recent election results...
>>>> That's why the bitch is now Sec of State?
>>>
>>> It's because she's smarter than some asshole rightard like you.
>>
>> FishRot, you are the Chairman of the Double-Digit Society of Socialists.
>
> Better than being a nazi turd like you, kryby

That was easy.

Godwin's Law, meet Pavlov's Slobbering Dog.

Fish-HeadRot, you are my personal "Bozo the Clown" punching bag: Like the
toy, you just keep coming back for more abuse.

We all know you like it, as well...

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 4:49 pm
From: George Kerby

On 4/14/09 10:28 PM, in article 9qkau4taff05d31jjg4ca2r51fb2pgds34@4ax.com,
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:55:21 -0700 (PDT), Twibil
> <nowayjose6@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> (B) On the other hand, Obama wouldn't have had her on the team unless
>>>> he thought she could do the job, and you've got to admit that he
>>>> picked the perfect position for her: a Sec of State needs to be smart
>>>> and to have all the emotional sweetness of a hungry white shark
>>>> closing in for the kill.
>>>
>>> "White Shark"?!? A Freudian slip?
>>
>> Well, no, that's what we call an "analogy": nothing Freudian about
>> it.
>
> But a particularly inappropriate analogy. And, it does suggest a
> parapraxis where some buried thought led to the choice of words even
> though it was not a concious choice.

Thank you, Tony.

Proving some folks in here have more level heads in here, once again...

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:35 pm
From: JohnBarrymore@popsnews.com

What country is your family from?

I bet France...

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:39 pm
From: Lennon@bizaristan.com

You're quite a retard...

What country are you from again?

Since you aern't an indian, you are from immigrant stock...

Morocco? NAH!! Must be France!

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:40 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-04-15 17:35:44 -0700, JohnBarrymore@popsnews.com said:

>
> What country is your family from?
>
> I bet France...
>

That's funny!

Can you say Hemi with a French accent? It might come out something like
Citroen or perhaps citron.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 6:13 pm
From: Chris Malcolm

In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems HEMI-Powered <none@none.gn> wrote:
> DRS added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>>>> Few churches that actually _have_ "higher up religious mucky
>>>> mucks" argue that the Bible is inerrant in all particulars.
>>>> That comes from the scamevangelists with their
>>>> one-church-one-preacher nutcake sects.
>>>
>>> Do not the Anglicans, Catholics and Lutherans all adhere to the
>>> doctrine that the scriptures are divinely inspired?
>>
>> Of course. That has nothing to do with the Bible's
>> contradictions (my vicar cheerfully reckons anyone who denies
>> the Bible has contradictions is a fool).

> The Bible has a far, FAR higher percentage of CORRECT statements,
> concepts, laws, and commands than about ANY other document created by
> man that I am familiar with.

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you thought of joining a public library?

--
Chris Malcolm

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 6:54 pm
From: John A.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:41:03 -0500, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>On 4/14/09 5:49 PM, in article pk4au4p5n4m3o98h1i8r88vc26qrqlkrl1@4ax.com,
>"John A." <john@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:36:02 -0500, George Kerby
>> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/14/09 1:23 PM, in article
>>> bfa76051-957e-4570-be8e-7e8895b6859e@s22g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "Twibil"
>>> <nowayjose6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 14, 6:46 am, George Kerby <ghost_top...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty ladies don't need to be smart.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They do if they're running for high office and there's an informed
>>>>>> electorate.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, see the recent election results...
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why the bitch is now Sec of State?
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. In *both* ways that can be taken.
>>>>
>>>> (A) Hillary lost the nomination because while she's smart as hell
>>>> about some things, she's never figured out how to be likable when she
>>>> needs to, and that's dumb.
>>>
>>> Not smart enough to control Bubba with flying ashtrays.
>>>>
>>>> (B) On the other hand, Obama wouldn't have had her on the team unless
>>>> he thought she could do the job, and you've got to admit that he
>>>> picked the perfect position for her: a Sec of State needs to be smart
>>>> and to have all the emotional sweetness of a hungry white shark
>>>> closing in for the kill.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "White Shark"?!? A Freudian slip?
>>>
>>>> Fits her perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> ~Pete
>>>
>>> The "recent election" - referring to Primary 2008 where she got her ass
>>> kicked.
>>
>> Wow! If that's what you call getting your ass kicked, what the heck do
>> you call what happened to McCain?
>
>Just in case you don't know: Most people would not call a 53% - 47% margin
>an "ass-kicking".
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008>

53% to 46% by that source actually.

>Was only slightly more one more point than Bush "stole the election" that
>you raving bleating DemoCraps cry.
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2004>

Actually, it was 2000 that he stole, in which Gore got the popular
vote.

>An "asswhippin'" is more like 66% - 34%: Hillary got handed her fat pantsuit
>ass handed to because of Super Delegate voting. I personally voted for Obama
>in the Primary - to keep her insane ass anywhere NEAR the White House. And
>then he goes and gives her a position to keep her from throwing shit at him.
>Go figure!
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_
>primaries,_2008#Superdelegates>

Or, to come a bit closer to comparing apples to apples, the pledged
delegates were 52% - 48%.

And to compare actual apples, the popular vote in the Dem primaries
was 48.0% - 47.8%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Now, if you want a bit more apples-to-apples comparison between the
national election results and the Dem delegate count you'd have to
compare total delegates to electoral votes:

Dem delegates
Obama: 54%
Clinton: 46%

Electoral votes
Obama: 67.8%
McCain: 32.2%

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 7:36 pm
From: tony cooper

On 16 Apr 2009 01:13:01 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems HEMI-Powered <none@none.gn> wrote:
>> DRS added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>>>> Few churches that actually _have_ "higher up religious mucky
>>>>> mucks" argue that the Bible is inerrant in all particulars.
>>>>> That comes from the scamevangelists with their
>>>>> one-church-one-preacher nutcake sects.
>>>>
>>>> Do not the Anglicans, Catholics and Lutherans all adhere to the
>>>> doctrine that the scriptures are divinely inspired?
>>>
>>> Of course. That has nothing to do with the Bible's
>>> contradictions (my vicar cheerfully reckons anyone who denies
>>> the Bible has contradictions is a fool).
>
>> The Bible has a far, FAR higher percentage of CORRECT statements,
>> concepts, laws, and commands than about ANY other document created by
>> man that I am familiar with.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that. Have you thought of joining a public library?

Hemi tried reading, but it makes his lips hurt and his finger gets
tired.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 4:56 pm
From: "Focus"

I'm typing this very slow, so everyone can understand ;-)

I just noticed, that in Live view the shutterspeed is showed from the moment
LV is activated and then it freezes. But it doesn't change when you turn the
camera to lighter or darker scenes! Not even when you change from spot to CW
to matrix.
The only way to tell the shutterspeed, is after you take the shot.
So what good is that?
I just guessed at least the top LCD is showing the correct values, but that
is frozen too. After you take a shot, it's updated with the new value of
your shot.

Do you see the same?
Do I have a faulty sample or did this one really get passed the Nikon
inspector, because they were so excited about video?
If the last is the case, how did this get passed so many reviewers? I'm
really starting to question a lot of peoples competence.

If the D5000 has the same problem, it would be a deal breaker for me. A
smaller OVF wouldn't be a problem if you could use live view with a meter
indication. Without it, it would mean that you'd always have to check your
OVF before you can shoot in live view. Together with the 2 second delay for
the AF, that would be not interesting, to say the least...

--
---
Focus

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:28 pm
From: Leon@here.com

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:56:58 +0100, "Focus" <dont@mail.me> wrote:

>I'm typing this very slow, so everyone can understand ;-)
>
>I just noticed, that in Live view the shutterspeed is showed from the moment
>LV is activated and then it freezes. But it doesn't change when you turn the
>camera to lighter or darker scenes! Not even when you change from spot to CW
>to matrix.

Probably because the shutter speed in live view is "open"... will have to try it
myself...

>The only way to tell the shutterspeed, is after you take the shot.
>So what good is that?
>I just guessed at least the top LCD is showing the correct values, but that
>is frozen too. After you take a shot, it's updated with the new value of
>your shot.
>
>Do you see the same?
>Do I have a faulty sample or did this one really get passed the Nikon
>inspector, because they were so excited about video?
>If the last is the case, how did this get passed so many reviewers? I'm
>really starting to question a lot of peoples competence.
>
>If the D5000 has the same problem, it would be a deal breaker for me. A
>smaller OVF wouldn't be a problem if you could use live view with a meter
>indication. Without it, it would mean that you'd always have to check your
>OVF before you can shoot in live view. Together with the 2 second delay for
>the AF, that would be not interesting, to say the least...

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:54 pm
From: "Focus"

Thanks. I would really appreciate it.
In comparison: I remember the Sony A350 has a liveview that even shows a
live histogram. Why didn't they include something so usefull?
It seems most camera makers should / could learn a lot from each other. Sony
could have known that the high ISO was unacceptable.

Lets hope they can/ will fix this with a firmware update.

>>The only way to tell the shutterspeed, is after you take the shot.
>>So what good is that?
>>I just guessed at least the top LCD is showing the correct values, but
>>that
>>is frozen too. After you take a shot, it's updated with the new value of
>>your shot.
>>
>>Do you see the same?
>>Do I have a faulty sample or did this one really get passed the Nikon
>>inspector, because they were so excited about video?
>>If the last is the case, how did this get passed so many reviewers? I'm
>>really starting to question a lot of peoples competence.
>>
>>If the D5000 has the same problem, it would be a deal breaker for me. A
>>smaller OVF wouldn't be a problem if you could use live view with a meter
>>indication. Without it, it would mean that you'd always have to check your
>>OVF before you can shoot in live view. Together with the 2 second delay
>>for
>>the AF, that would be not interesting, to say the least...
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 7:42 pm
From: "Dudley Hanks"

<Leon@here.com> wrote in message
news:uqucu41hkpjq1ib3k40b5tuho2t1e090a7@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:56:58 +0100, "Focus" <dont@mail.me> wrote:
>
>>I'm typing this very slow, so everyone can understand ;-)
>>
>>I just noticed, that in Live view the shutterspeed is showed from the
>>moment
>>LV is activated and then it freezes. But it doesn't change when you turn
>>the
>>camera to lighter or darker scenes! Not even when you change from spot to
>>CW
>>to matrix.
>
> Probably because the shutter speed in live view is "open"... will have to
> try it
> myself...
>
>>The only way to tell the shutterspeed, is after you take the shot.
>>So what good is that?
>>I just guessed at least the top LCD is showing the correct values, but
>>that
>>is frozen too. After you take a shot, it's updated with the new value of
>>your shot.
>>
>>Do you see the same?
>>Do I have a faulty sample or did this one really get passed the Nikon
>>inspector, because they were so excited about video?
>>If the last is the case, how did this get passed so many reviewers? I'm
>>really starting to question a lot of peoples competence.
>>
>>If the D5000 has the same problem, it would be a deal breaker for me. A
>>smaller OVF wouldn't be a problem if you could use live view with a meter
>>indication. Without it, it would mean that you'd always have to check your
>>OVF before you can shoot in live view. Together with the 2 second delay
>>for
>>the AF, that would be not interesting, to say the least...
>

I'm not sure how Nikon does the Live View thing, but the XSi implementation
of it is really quite awkward. I can't imagine a fully sighted photographer
using that mode, unless they had to put it on a really weird stationary
mounted configuration.

For one thing, if you think there's a lot of shutter lag in a
point-and-shoot, you ain't seen nothin' till you try shooting the XSi in
Live View mode. I've caught a tennis ball in mid-air with my A720, but i
wouldn't even get the kids playing, let alone the ball in flight, using the
Live View route.

Still, for me, it opens up a lot of dors, and it works quite well for
portraits, and other fairly motion-limited situations..

Take Care,
Dudley

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:00 pm
From: "Atheist Chaplain"

"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
news:vBpFl.29165$ZP4.8511@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:47:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> On 2009-04-15 10:37:16 -0700, measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> said:
>>
>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:49 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-04-15 01:08:25 -0700, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> said:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <49e59337$0$1659$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
>>>>> <rfischer@sonic.net> writes
>>>>>> measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Basically what is the primary differences between the Nikon and
>>>>>>> Canon Lens
>>>>>>> Line?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One works best with Nikon cameras and the other works best with Canon
>>>>>> cameras.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK... So which works better with Canon and which with Nikon?
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter. Mease hasn't quite figured out which DSLR he is
>>>> going to buy yet.
>>>
>>> I have decided to wait for the D90 replacement. I want a 3"
>>> articulating
>>> lcd and after the D5000 I think it will be coming.
>>
>> I wouldn't have expected anything else of you.
>
> When you want to fork over you money than you get a chance to run your
> mouth. With my money I make my decisions based on my needs and desires.

then why waste our time now, after all your now running YOUR mouth on our
time and money.
I have a friend just like you, he is always waiting for the next big
improvement in technology before he spends his money, but guess what, every
time he thinks that he has found what he wants, there are rumors of
something "Bigger and better" in the wings so he waits again. so far the
rest of us have leapt ahead of him by several generations and he is still
stuck with with his 10 year old technology. Jump into the pool or get off
the diving board!!

--
[This comment is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Church of
Scientology International]
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your
Christ." Gandhi

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:29 pm
From: Savageduck

On 2009-04-15 17:00:49 -0700, "Atheist Chaplain" <abused@cia.gov> said:

> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
> news:vBpFl.29165$ZP4.8511@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:47:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-04-15 10:37:16 -0700, measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> said:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:49 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-04-15 01:08:25 -0700, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <49e59337$0$1659$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
>>>>>> <rfischer@sonic.net> writes
>>>>>>> measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Basically what is the primary differences between the Nikon and Canon Lens
>>>>>>>> Line?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One works best with Nikon cameras and the other works best with Canon
>>>>>>> cameras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK... So which works better with Canon and which with Nikon?
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't matter. Mease hasn't quite figured out which DSLR he is
>>>>> going to buy yet.
>>>>
>>>> I have decided to wait for the D90 replacement. I want a 3" articulating
>>>> lcd and after the D5000 I think it will be coming.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't have expected anything else of you.
>>
>> When you want to fork over you money than you get a chance to run your
>> mouth. With my money I make my decisions based on my needs and desires.
>
> then why waste our time now, after all your now running YOUR mouth on
> our time and money.
> I have a friend just like you, he is always waiting for the next big
> improvement in technology before he spends his money, but guess what,
> every time he thinks that he has found what he wants, there are rumors
> of something "Bigger and better" in the wings so he waits again. so far
> the rest of us have leapt ahead of him by several generations and he is
> still stuck with with his 10 year old technology. Jump into the pool or
> get off the diving board!!

...and there it is. A perfect assessment and analogy of Mease and his behavior.

--
Regards,
Savageduck

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:34 pm
From: measekite

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:00:49 +1000, Atheist Chaplain wrote:

> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
> news:vBpFl.29165$ZP4.8511@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:47:11 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-04-15 10:37:16 -0700, measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> said:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:49 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-04-15 01:08:25 -0700, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In message <49e59337$0$1659$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
>>>>>> <rfischer@sonic.net> writes
>>>>>>> measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Basically what is the primary differences between the Nikon and
>>>>>>>> Canon Lens
>>>>>>>> Line?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One works best with Nikon cameras and the other works best with Canon
>>>>>>> cameras.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK... So which works better with Canon and which with Nikon?
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't matter. Mease hasn't quite figured out which DSLR he is
>>>>> going to buy yet.
>>>>
>>>> I have decided to wait for the D90 replacement. I want a 3"
>>>> articulating
>>>> lcd and after the D5000 I think it will be coming.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't have expected anything else of you.
>>
>> When you want to fork over you money than you get a chance to run your
>> mouth. With my money I make my decisions based on my needs and desires.
>
> then why waste our time now, after all your now running YOUR mouth on our
> time and money.
> I have a friend just like you, he is always waiting for the next big
> improvement in technology before he spends his money, but guess what, every
> time he thinks that he has found what he wants, there are rumors of
> something "Bigger and better" in the wings so he waits again. so far the
> rest of us have leapt ahead of him by several generations and he is still
> stuck with with his 10 year old technology. Jump into the pool or get off
> the diving board!!
>
I am waiting for a feature that I am already using on my Canon that I find
very usefull. It is already out on the D5000 and I want it on the D90.
It is just a matter of time. I also expect is on most of the new Canons.

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TOPIC: New Mandate repost
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/094c88d89a5f1406?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 4:57 pm
From: "Bowser"

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8aocu4hig5i2ue1pt06bii506mcvo0kaj9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:40:20 -0400, "Bowser" <up@gone.now> wrote:
>
>>Sorry for the repost, but my "mandate request" post hasn't made it to many
>>servers, so I thought I'd try again. So far, we have a couple of ideas:
>>
>>Self-Portrait, which is not necessarily a photo of you. Could be a photo
>>of
>>anything that says something about you. Shots might require an
>>explanation,
>>but that's OK. I'll cut and paste from the mail.
>>
>>Punography, a blatant rip-off of an old photo book I've recently found. I
>>post a list of cliches, and you intrepert them a visual puns in a series
>>of
>>up to 4 individual photos.
>>
>>Fire at will, or make a suggestion.
>
> I think Helen did the "Fire At Will" one last month. While she didn't
> identify the target, it's now clear that it was Will.

Ah. A vote for puns.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:34 pm
From: Troy Piggins

* Bowser wrote :
>* tony cooper wrote :
>>* Bowser wrote :
>>
>>> Sorry for the repost, but my "mandate request" post hasn't
>>> made it to many servers, so I thought I'd try again. So far,
>>> we have a couple of ideas:
>>>
>>> Self-Portrait, which is not necessarily a photo of you. Could
>>> be a photo of anything that says something about you. Shots
>>> might require an explanation, but that's OK. I'll cut and
>>> paste from the mail.
>>>
>>> Punography, a blatant rip-off of an old photo book I've
>>> recently found. I post a list of cliches, and you intrepert
>>> them a visual puns in a series of up to 4 individual photos.
>>>
>>> Fire at will, or make a suggestion.
>>
>> I think Helen did the "Fire At Will" one last month. While
>> she didn't identify the target, it's now clear that it was
>> Will.
>
> Ah. A vote for puns.

I was just thinking - instead of posting what the pun was with
the photos, people could have to guess what the pun was as part
of their critique/comments. Might be fun to see different
interpretations.

--
Troy Piggins

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TOPIC: D90 with grip faster with AA batteries?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/0cf4d98bd234f06e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:06 pm
From: "Focus"

If you can believe the manual: on page 184:

"Higher frame rates are available with AA batteries; note, however, that in
the case of AA batteries the frame
rate will decrease as battery level drops."

That's all. Nowhere it reads how many frames or how much difference between
EN-EL3e and AA batteries and which kind.
Does anybody know? I tried but I can't feel hear or see a difference.

However, I do have a theory: it seems the D90 manual is a copy of the D300
manual and a bad one. They left things in that a clearly about the D300.

On page 178:
"Exposure can be fine-tuned separately for each Custom Settings bank and is
not affected by
two-button resets."

I searched high and low, but I'll be a donkey's ass if I can find any custom
settings bank on the D90. However, the D300 did have 4 custom settings
banks.

--
---
Focus

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 7:52 pm
From: ASAAR

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:06:14 +0100, Focus wrote:

> If you can believe the manual: on page 184:
>
> "Higher frame rates are available with AA batteries; note, however, that in
> the case of AA batteries the frame
> rate will decrease as battery level drops."
>
> That's all. Nowhere it reads how many frames or how much difference between
> EN-EL3e and AA batteries and which kind.
> Does anybody know? I tried but I can't feel hear or see a difference.

DPReview generally checks the frame rate using an oscilloscope
that tracks the shutter sound. With fast cards (and the camera's
buffer) you can take long bursts before the frame rate slows. At
some settings you can take the maximum 100 shot burst with no
slowdown at all. I've done this with the D300 and the MB-D10, and
it clearly shows the frame rates, up to 8 fps. You can also hear
the difference. The D90 with an MB-D80 filled with AA cells
probably won't go much above the D90's max. frame rate of 4.5 f/s,
the main reason being that to get fast frame rates the DSLRs need
considerably higher voltage than the EN-EL3e battery packs provide.
Only the MB-D10 (for the D300 and D700) use 8 AA cells. The others,
including the MB-D80 use only 6 AA cells. Freshly charged NiMH
batteries provide about the same voltage as an EN-EL3e (7.4v).
While alkaline AA cells provide 9v, that's under no load. In the
D90 under load there should be enough of a drop that even fresh
alkalines may be pretty close to the EN-EL3e's voltage level.
There's no good reason for Nikon to specify the actual frame rate
using AA cells, since the frame rate probably varies depending on
the alkaline brand, if alkalines are used. You may get higher frame
rates using lithium or oxyride AA cells, but don't expect anything
close to the 8f/s that the MB-D10 allows.

> However, I do have a theory: it seems the D90 manual is a copy of the D300
> manual and a bad one. They left things in that a clearly about the D300.
>
> On page 178:
> "Exposure can be fine-tuned separately for each Custom Settings bank and is
> not affected by
> two-button resets."
>
> I searched high and low, but I'll be a donkey's ass if I can find any custom
> settings bank on the D90. However, the D300 did have 4 custom settings
> banks.

No, the D90 manual isn't even close to a copy of the D300 manual,
and not just because the former has 278 pages and the latter 421.
If you read a little further in that paragraph on page 178 you'll
see that it refers to exposure compensation on page 90. The D90's
manual does talk about exposure compensation on page 90. The D300's
manual doesn't. There could have been a mixup using cut & paste
from another manual, or the technical writer could have been
confused, temporarily thinking that the D90 supported settings
banks. Or Nikon could have initially designed the D90 with settings
banks but later changed their mind, after its mention was included
in the manual.

BTW, one of the reasons I checked the frame rates (using the
technique mentioned above) was because of a YouTube video that
showed how it was possible to take 8f/s bursts without having to use
the battery grip. It actually works!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5UKwgGRJI

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TOPIC: New: Nikon D5000
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/74a657afcf04f678?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 5:11 pm
From: "Dyna Soar"

ASAAR wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:15:41 +0800, Dyna Soar sourly wrote:

>> You know, you have more than some justification in your criticism of
>> Focus' comments regarding photographic matters.
>> However, to pick on somebody's use of English when it is obviously
>> not his first language only shows *you* up as an arrogant,
>> self-centred pedant!

> I hardly ever criticize grammatical, spelling or punctuation
> errors. I even mentioned this when I referred to the error :

But you still chose to do it, didn't you, obviously just to have a cheap
shot at Focus.

>>> I normally wouldn't have commented on that poorly constructed
>>> sentence, but as you followed it with one talking about "words", it
>>> seemed to beg for someone to help you out by noting

> At the time I posted this reply, Focus hadn't yet indicated that
> English wasn't his primary language, which he writes well enough
> anyway that one wouldn't make reasonably make that assumption. He
> also said that he's *fluent* in four of eight languages, so since he
> said that English is his second language, it would be reasonable to
> assume that it's one of the four languages that he claims to be
> fluent in. As such, your hostile reaction is misdirected and should
> have been turned towards yourself.
> You show more than the average
> amount of cluelessness, ignorance and arrogance in your
> shoot-from-the-hip reply. Even if you missed some of the earlier
> replies in this thread that accounts for your ignorance, fetching
> them before going on the attack with a bogus insult might have
> helped prevent you from appearing to share Focus's foolishness.

I *have* followed all the thread and I find it ironic that you accuse me of
cluelessness, ignorance and arrogance, apparently because I am uninformed.
Yet it is very common knowledge in all the groups to which this thread is
posted that Focus is not from a place where English is the first language,
but you claim ignorance..

I repeat for emphasis... You *are* an arrogant, self-centred pedant, the
whole tone of your reply to me only reinforces that.observation.

I wish you a good day, now go and study your textbooks on English grammar
and sentence construction so you're ready to pick on someone else's writing
limitations..

--
Dyna

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 6:35 pm
From: ASAAR

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:11:45 +0800, Dyna Soar wrote:

>> I hardly ever criticize grammatical, spelling or punctuation
>> errors. I even mentioned this when I referred to the error :
>
> But you still chose to do it, didn't you, obviously just to have a
> cheap shot at Focus.

As I also previously said, by his ill considered and foolish
posts, Focus asks for and deserves whatever ridicule he gets. It's
well earned but he's earnest (perhaps too much so) and his
contributions are occasionally useful/welcome, unlike you that
materialized out of thin air and has no contributions yet other than
your attacks. It's entirely possible that you're a new sock puppet
reviving a dormant agenda, but whether you are or aren't, it's
unlikely that you'll ever be more than an inconsequential pest.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 7:07 pm
From: "Dyna Soar"

ASAAR wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:11:45 +0800, Dyna Soar wrote:

>>> I hardly ever criticize grammatical, spelling or punctuation
>>> errors. I even mentioned this when I referred to the error :

>> But you still chose to do it, didn't you, obviously just to have a
>> cheap shot at Focus.

> As I also previously said, by his ill considered and foolish
> posts, Focus asks for and deserves whatever ridicule he gets. It's
> well earned but he's earnest (perhaps too much so) and his
> contributions are occasionally useful/welcome, unlike you that
> materialized out of thin air

"materialized out of thin air"?
I've been posting regularly to Usenet using this nick for over ten years at
least. Your not recognising it is irrelevant. Who remembers all posters?

> and has no contributions yet other than
> your attacks.

Attacks? LOL. I criticised you, not for your criticism of Focus' apparent
foolish posts on matters photographic (in fact, I agreed with you). It's
still a cheap shot, though, when you sound off at another's possibly less
than perfect English skills. If pointing that out is an attack in your eyes,
so be it.

> It's entirely possible that you're a new sock puppet
> reviving a dormant agenda, but whether you are or aren't, it's
> unlikely that you'll ever be more than an inconsequential pest.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course, doesn't make you less of an
arrogant pedant though.

--
Dyna

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 15 2009 7:41 pm
From: ASAAR

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:07:43 +0800, Dyna Soar wrote:

>> As I also previously said, by his ill considered and foolish
>> posts, Focus asks for and deserves whatever ridicule he gets. It's
>> well earned but he's earnest (perhaps too much so) and his
>> contributions are occasionally useful/welcome, unlike you that
>> materialized out of thin air
>
> "materialized out of thin air"?
> I've been posting regularly to Usenet using this nick for over ten years at
> least. Your not recognising it is irrelevant. Who remembers all posters?

Usenet is quite a bit larger than this newsgroup and I relied on
my newsreader's database, not on my memory. I don't even subscribe
to all of the ones that this msg. is addressed to ("aus.photo,
rec.photo.digital, rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, and
uk.rec.photo.misc"). How long have you been posting to
rec.photo.digital? I didn't find any other messages from you going
back a good number of months. Perhaps you posted here years ago, or
perhaps more recently to other newsgroups, almost all of which I
never read?

>> and has no contributions yet other than
>> your attacks.
>
> Attacks? LOL. I criticised you, not for your criticism of Focus' apparent
> foolish posts on matters photographic (in fact, I agreed with you).

The "?" after "Attacks" indicates that you think that what you
wrote wasn't an attack, and the "LOL" indicates that you found it
amusing. If you think that when you wrote that you think that I'm
an "arrogant, self-centred pedant!" (and repeated it in your next
reply) then there's a disconnect between you and reality.

> You're entitled to your opinion, of course, doesn't make you less of an
> arrogant pedant though.

Ah, the third time's the charm. You have little imagination and
are stuck in a verbal rut. As Mr. T would say, I pity the fool . . .
As you didn't comment on the possibility that you may be a sock
puppet, its odds go up a bit. I await your next release of bile.

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