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* Remove UTF8 BOM from a large file - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Error: libdl.so.2, needed by libncursesw.so whilst building kernel - 4
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TOPIC: Remove UTF8 BOM from a large file
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/977dd6f1115d4ebf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 13 2009 11:35 pm
From: howa
Hello,
I have some very large files (over GB), are there any command that can
enable me to remove UTF8 BOM from that file (edit in place)
Thanks.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 5:40 am
From: Sam
howa writes:
> Hello,
>
> I have some very large files (over GB), are there any command that can
> enable me to remove UTF8 BOM from that file (edit in place)
You cannot remove characters from a file, "in place". A new file must be
written out, with the unwanted content removed, and the old file removed.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 5:59 am
From: John Hasler
howa writes:
> Hello,
>
> I have some very large files (over GB), are there any command that can
> enable me to remove UTF8 BOM from that file (edit in place)
man sed
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Elmwood, WI USA
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TOPIC: Error: libdl.so.2, needed by libncursesw.so whilst building kernel
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/da37f9f46819ed5d?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 2:08 am
From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)
philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> You will simply have to install the needed libraries...
> it may be a minor PITA but it should not take more than a few minutes
Don't I already have them? Where do I get libdl from?
Mark.
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 5:00 am
From: philo
Mark Hobley wrote:
> philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> You will simply have to install the needed libraries...
>> it may be a minor PITA but it should not take more than a few minutes
>
> Don't I already have them? Where do I get libdl from?
>
> Mark.
>
It depends on which distribution you were based
for the best help...you will need to state exactly which distribution
you are using.
If you are not familiar with package installation,
you are not yet ready to compile your own kernel...
best to learn the basics first prior to attempting expert level tasks.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 6:08 am
From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)
philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> for the best help...you will need to state exactly which distribution
> you are using.
I am using the latest Linux from Scratch LiveCD.
> If you are not familiar with package installation,
> you are not yet ready to compile your own kernel...
> best to learn the basics first prior to attempting expert level tasks.
I am familiar with:
./configure
make
I am also familiar with the kernel style:
make config (and make menuconfig).
I have built a kernel before. But last time I did it, I was using a
different distribution, and this error did not occur.
The problem is occuring during compilation of the configurator (The bit
that asks me the questions), not the kernel itself. I guess that there
is some sort of fault with ncurses.
If "make config" does not work, then I cannot generate a config file in
order to build the headers, which I will need to rebuild glibc.
Mark.
--
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Linux User: #370818 http://markhobley.yi.org/
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 8:51 am
From: philo
Mark Hobley wrote:
> philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>> for the best help...you will need to state exactly which distribution
>> you are using.
>
> I am using the latest Linux from Scratch LiveCD.
>
>> If you are not familiar with package installation,
>> you are not yet ready to compile your own kernel...
>> best to learn the basics first prior to attempting expert level tasks.
>
> I am familiar with:
>
> ./configure
> make
>
> I am also familiar with the kernel style:
>
> make config (and make menuconfig).
>
> I have built a kernel before. But last time I did it, I was using a
> different distribution, and this error did not occur.
>
> The problem is occuring during compilation of the configurator (The bit
> that asks me the questions), not the kernel itself. I guess that there
> is some sort of fault with ncurses.
>
> If "make config" does not work, then I cannot generate a config file in
> order to build the headers, which I will need to rebuild glibc.
>
> Mark.
>
Well
I am not familiar with Linux from Scratch...
all I can tell you is that when I first started to learn about Linux...
my main problem was that I was trying too hard to configure a minimal
system...and ended up missing too many packages...
I'd then have to hunt down and add library after library.
I then decided to go the opposite route and install a full linux
distribution...such as Slackware( on DVD)
then all libraries and headers would already be there when needed.
Once I gained familiarity I learned how to slim-down a system .
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TOPIC: Making Windows images from Linux
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/cdf227ee6ed37fff?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 3:08 am
From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)
Amaranth <rhudson86@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Instead of forking out money to buy proprietary disk imaging tools to
> restore Windows every now and then (cue Windows jibe), would it work
> to just use Linux to copy a fresh Windows install out, to be copied
> back (rm -rf Windows partition, cp -r fresh install) when things break
> down or bloat up?
Yes of course. Just use tar.
http://markhobley.yi.org/linux/howto/xpbackup.html
Mark.
--
Mark Hobley
Linux User: #370818 http://markhobley.yi.org/
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 3:54 am
From: Baron
Amaranth wrote:
> Instead of forking out money to buy proprietary disk imaging tools to
> restore Windows every now and then (cue Windows jibe), would it work
> to just use Linux to copy a fresh Windows install out, to be copied
> back (rm -rf Windows partition, cp -r fresh install) when things break
> down or bloat up?
>
> I'm about to do this but don't want to find out several months down
> the line that it won't work. How do I make a copy of the Master Boot
> Record?
Just DD it !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 8:16 am
From: Douglas Mayne
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:48:58 -0700, Amaranth wrote:
> Instead of forking out money to buy proprietary disk imaging tools to
> restore Windows every now and then (cue Windows jibe), would it work
> to just use Linux to copy a fresh Windows install out, to be copied
> back (rm -rf Windows partition, cp -r fresh install) when things break
> down or bloat up?
>
Use a tool called ntfsclone to backup individual Windows partitions which
are formatted ntfs. I described one common usage here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/msg/837b44f62c139745
>
> I'm about to do this but don't want to find out several months down the
> line that it won't work. How do I make a copy of the Master Boot Record?
>
You are correct to worry that the tools you select will work when you need
them. One way to take the guess work out of equation is to practice in
advance using them. Practice requires a system where mistakes will not
have drastic consequences (i.e. you must have good backups, etc.)
There's more to the problem than just copying the MBR; you probably want
the ability to restore a blank disk using backups and simple tools to
yield a bootable copy of the source disk. To do this you need backups
of all partitions and have the ability to setup the bootloader. There are
many ways to backup/restore. It doesn't lend itself to a "one size,
fits all" approach. Simple methods (say, dd) may suffice, but IME
understanding what you're doing pays dividends later on. It may take a
bit of research and reading to understand your options. I started by
reading the "Hard Disk Upgrade Mini-Howto." Here is a brief outline of the
approach and some background information.
First, the "job" of the MBR is two-fold:
1. It holds the primary partition tables, partitions 1-4.
2. It holds the bootloader code. I use the grub bootloader.
You need to know the rules for partition disks in the PC world. I
explained them here:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/d3544c061662cacf
There are tools which setup partitions, including fdisk and cfdisk. Setting
up the bootloader requires a little bit more understanding and practice,
but "practice makes perfect." As I said, I use the grub bootloader because
it is a very flexible bootloader. In dual boot situations with Windows, I
have found that the chainloader syntax works fine. This grub configuration
stanza works:
title Windows
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
BTW, IME, Windows likes to be installed on the first partition.
To summarize, you'll need to understand the following:
1. The rules for partitioning disks.
2. The tools that you'll be using to backup and restore partition data.
3. The syntax and nomenclature used by the bootloader.
--
Douglas Mayne
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 8:57 am
From: ray
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:48:58 -0700, Amaranth wrote:
> Instead of forking out money to buy proprietary disk imaging tools to
> restore Windows every now and then (cue Windows jibe), would it work to
> just use Linux to copy a fresh Windows install out, to be copied back
> (rm -rf Windows partition, cp -r fresh install) when things break down
> or bloat up?
>
> I'm about to do this but don't want to find out several months down the
> line that it won't work. How do I make a copy of the Master Boot Record?
Others have covered the basic issues - I'd suggest you look at partimage,
too.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 11:48 am
From: ebenZEROONE@verizon.net (Hactar)
In article <nb9s86-u1c.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org>,
Mark Hobley <markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com> wrote:
> Amaranth <rhudson86@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Instead of forking out money to buy proprietary disk imaging tools to
> > restore Windows every now and then (cue Windows jibe), would it work
> > to just use Linux to copy a fresh Windows install out, to be copied
> > back (rm -rf Windows partition, cp -r fresh install) when things break
> > down or bloat up?
>
> Yes of course. Just use tar.
>
> http://markhobley.yi.org/linux/howto/xpbackup.html
Doesn't make a disk image, and doesn't copy ACLs.
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TOPIC: Surfing web as root: Dangerous?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/166b0770060dda7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 4:06 am
From: Andrew Halliwell
Sidney Lambe <sidneylambe@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Been running Linux exclusively as root since day one. Lots of
> people do. Never had a problem.
>
> The world is full of paranoids. And fear-mongers who make a living
> spreading paranoia.
However, there're far more idiots out there than paranoid fear mongers.
If the framework is there, it doesn't hurt to use it.
Running everything as root is idiocy incarnate.
You might just as well use windows.
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 9:20 am
From: Douglas Mayne
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:43:26 -0700, Amaranth wrote:
> Our Linux lecturer told us that it was not advisable to browse the web
> as root for "security reasons."
>
> I was a bit shy to ask but I have tried Googling for a reason why but
> nothing obvious came up. I can understand how one wants to limit root
> usage as far as possible but sometimes I log in as root to perform
> administrative tasks and want to browse the net while waiting for
> things to complete.
>
> So why is it dangerous to surf the net as root? What is the worst that
> can happen, and have browser/kernel security updates cured the
> problem?
>
> Thanks.
>
The browser is a complex assemblage of software, and it has bugs and
vulnerabilities. As such, they are under continual development. For
example, Firefox issues new releases fairly often to plug holes, etc. If
you are running an old version, then you may be specifically targetted by
the "bad guys" using a known exploit for a published vulnerability. It is
a very good idea to limit your exposure by keeping up to date with the
latest version, and other security patches. You will still be vulnerable
to attack (they could be using some "unknown" browser vulnerability), but
that is an order of magnitude less likely than the published buglist. BTW,
when you visit a website, you "leak" certain information about yourself as
part of a "client/server" transaction. Part of the information exchanged
is your IP address, and your client parameters such as this:
User-Agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.7)Gecko/2009021906
Firefox/3.0.7
For good or for bad, this advertises that the client is using Firefox
3.0.7 on Linux.
It's not just the browser that can have bugs. In addition, there are
vulnerabilties in libraries which are linked to it. In the last few years,
there have been critical bugs in graphics libraries (PNG, JPEG),
compression libraries (zlib), and a lot of other libraries. Any of these,
if left unpatched, can compromise the system.
Compromise...
It the simple case where a system is compromised, the attacker will gain
the rights of the account which is running the compromised code. As K.
Keller points out on this thread, a compromise which gives an attacker
"regular user account" rights is bad enough, but the root account is much
worse. It is the "grand prize" for the bad guys; don't run as root. When a
regular user account is attacked (non-root), then the bad guys must still
overcome other obstacles to compromise the entire box. Be aware that
there is a whole class of bugs which lead to "priviledge escalation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_escalation
In short, if you are already running with the highest priviledge (root),
then the bad guys can skip that step- they will have already achieved
their goal and have "rooted" your box. Don't run as root.
More security basics...
IMO, it makes sense to use defenses whenever computers are placed directly
on a public network, such as the internet. Most home users are behind NAT
which provides at least some protection against unsolicited inbound
attacks. However, it is essential to employ a good firewall for any
system which is given a public IP.
--
Douglas Mayne
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 9:40 am
From: ray
On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:43:26 -0700, Amaranth wrote:
> Our Linux lecturer told us that it was not advisable to browse the web
> as root for "security reasons."
>
> I was a bit shy to ask but I have tried Googling for a reason why but
> nothing obvious came up. I can understand how one wants to limit root
> usage as far as possible but sometimes I log in as root to perform
> administrative tasks and want to browse the net while waiting for things
> to complete.
>
> So why is it dangerous to surf the net as root? What is the worst that
> can happen, and have browser/kernel security updates cured the problem?
>
> Thanks.
Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of 'sudo'? It's made to facilitate
system admin from your normal user account.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 10:11 am
From: wisdomkiller & pain
Sidney Lambe wrote:
....
> Maybe. Without the Message-ID it is impossible to check and see
> if anyone is involved with this article but you.
>
> Given your signature, this looks like it just might be disguised
> spam.
>
Paranoia?
.....
> Been running Linux exclusively as root since day one. Lots of
> people do. Never had a problem.
>
Hmm. Until you visit *that* hacked webserver with a tiny exploit and you are
one of the crowd (of rootkitted zombies) listening for commands on a secret
irc channel while spewing spam all over the place and trying to find other
exploitable systems.
> The world is full of paranoids. And fear-mongers who make a living
> spreading paranoia.
>
Run windows Vista. You'll have UAC at least.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 11:11 am
From: Unruh
ray <ray@zianet.com> writes:
>On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:43:26 -0700, Amaranth wrote:
>> Our Linux lecturer told us that it was not advisable to browse the web
>> as root for "security reasons."
>>
>> I was a bit shy to ask but I have tried Googling for a reason why but
>> nothing obvious came up. I can understand how one wants to limit root
>> usage as far as possible but sometimes I log in as root to perform
>> administrative tasks and want to browse the net while waiting for things
>> to complete.
>>
>> So why is it dangerous to surf the net as root? What is the worst that
>> can happen, and have browser/kernel security updates cured the problem?
>>
>> Thanks.
>Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of 'sudo'? It's made to facilitate
>system admin from your normal user account.
He also seems never to heard of su -- Ie you can open a root login in ONE
terminal window in which you carry out your administrative tasks, leaving
the desktop and your browser as user owned.
anyway, yes, there are a wide variety of web sites that can in principle to
nasty things to your machine if you do something stupid, or even not so
stupid.
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TOPIC: changing ip address in RHEL5.3
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/76cd645521b3930f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 4:34 am
From: snehapshinde@gmail.com
Hi all,
I am new to use linux. I have installed RHEL 5.3. While installing, I
chose the ip address to be set by DHCP.
The internet connection was working very well. But as I changed IP
address to static one using following command
ifconfig eth0 158.157.182.1
the internet connection went down.
What could be the reason.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 6:46 am
From: Baron
snehapshinde@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am new to use linux. I have installed RHEL 5.3. While installing, I
> chose the ip address to be set by DHCP.
> The internet connection was working very well. But as I changed IP
> address to static one using following command
> ifconfig eth0 158.157.182.1
> the internet connection went down.
> What could be the reason.
> Any help appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
Unless you have a static address assigned to you, change it back to DHCP
and all will be well !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 7:30 am
From: Jean-David Beyer
Baron wrote:
> snehapshinde@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am new to use linux. I have installed RHEL 5.3. While installing, I
>> chose the ip address to be set by DHCP.
>> The internet connection was working very well. But as I changed IP
>> address to static one using following command
>> ifconfig eth0 158.157.182.1
>> the internet connection went down.
>> What could be the reason.
>> Any help appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> Unless you have a static address assigned to you, change it back to DHCP
> and all will be well !
>
Wow! Who do you work for?
$ whois 158.157.182.1
[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]
OrgName: DoD Network Information Center
OrgID: DNIC
Address: 3990 E. Broad Street
City: Columbus
StateProv: OH
PostalCode: 43218
Country: US
--
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 11:39 am
From: Allen Kistler
snehapshinde@gmail.com wrote:
> I am new to use linux. I have installed RHEL 5.3. While installing, I
> chose the ip address to be set by DHCP.
> The internet connection was working very well. But as I changed IP
> address to static one using following command
> ifconfig eth0 158.157.182.1
> the internet connection went down.
> What could be the reason.
Because there's more to IP than just the address. If you want to change
your address, either edit /etc/sysconfig/ifcfg-eth0 or run
system-config-network, then ifdown and ifup on eth0. Since you're a
newbie, I'd suggest using system-config-network until you figure out how
networks work.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 14 2009 1:49 pm
From: everyman
Don Zeigler <sitting@this.computer> wrote in
news:1dj0uonang0is.dlg@this.domain.or.that:
> everyman wrote:
>
>> [...]
ok, sorry. I have an old laptop that Libranet is one of the few distros
that run on it. I don't care if it's dead if I can get it to do what I
want. probably I can't find it cuz the guys who developed it don't want
it to be found.
>
> I wasn't trying to be an asshole, I was simply curious.
>
> Actually, I may still have my Libranet discs around here somewhere...
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