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TOPIC: Utah Leather Utah Messenger Bag M92071 Collection
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:10 am
From: bagsbags131@gmail.com

Utah Leather Utah Messenger Bag M92071 Collection

Handbags Collection Site : http://www.handbags-guide.com/
Utah Leather Utah Messenger Bag M92071 View Full :
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Utah Leather Utah Messenger Bag M92071 AdditionalInfo :

Brand : Louis Vuitton Handbags (
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Louis-Vuitton-Handbags.html )
Handbags Name : Utah Leather Utah Messenger Bag M92071
Code : M92071

The hand-grained leather and polished, aged brass hardware of this
handsome, masculine messenger bag give it a vintage, Western feel,
while the "Louis Vuitton" hot-stamping and fine topstitching lend it
an air of refinement. A casual, yet urban bag, perfect for everyday
use.
 - Supple, hand-grained calf leather
 - Tinted cowhide straps with polished, aged brass buckle
 - Cotton adjustable shoulder strap
 - One main compartment, a smaller pouch under the flap
 - Rustic cotton canvas lining
 - Polished, aged brass hardware
 - "Louis Vuitton" hot-stamped on the leather Size:15.6" L x 13.2" H x 4" W
 This Utah Leather Utah Messenger Bag handbag comes with:Serial and model numbers,the LV dust bag,care booklet,LV
cards,and copy of the genuine receipt from an official LV store.

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TOPIC: Thomas Wylde Shoulder Bag Dark Coffee 8527 Collection
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:16 am
From: bagsbags130@gmail.com

Thomas Wylde Shoulder Bag Dark Coffee 8527 Collection

Handbags Collection Site : http://www.handbags-guide.com/
Thomas Wylde Shoulder Bag Dark Coffee 8527 View Full :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Thomas-Wylde-Shoulder-Bag-Dark-Coffee-8527.html

Thomas Wylde Shoulder Bag Dark Coffee 8527 AdditionalInfo :

Brand : Thomas Wylde Handbags ( http://www.handbags-guide.com/Thomas-Wylde-Handbags.html
)
Handbags Name : Thomas Wylde Shoulder Bag Dark Coffee 8527
Code : 8527-DC

Size: 15.8" x 9" x 6" (W40 x H23 x D15 CM)
 This bag comes with: Thomas Wylde dustbag and
Thomas Wylde tag and cards.

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TOPIC: Hermes Dogon Wallet Jester Red Collection
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:16 am
From: bagsbags130@gmail.com

Hermes Dogon Wallet Jester Red Collection

Handbags Collection Site : http://www.handbags-guide.com/
Hermes Dogon Wallet Jester Red View Full :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Hermes-Dogon-Wallet-Jester-Red.html

Hermes Dogon Wallet Jester Red AdditionalInfo :

Brand : Wallet ( http://www.handbags-guide.com/Wallet.html )
Handbags Name : Hermes Dogon Wallet Jester Red
Code : HW010-JR

This is the larger GM size of the Hermès Dogon wallet range.It is very
practical for all your ' day to day' needs,and may be used as a
wallet,purse and general organiser suitable for both ladies and
gentlemen.
 
 - The main wallet has two large pockets roomy enough for currency
notes,address book,driving licence etc.
 - The removable zip coin purse,that it comes with this size
Dogon,fits into either of these pockets.
 - The middle pocket has two slip pockets inside.The zipper purse
also has two small zip pockets.
 - There are a further two small slip pockets ideal for those
smaller item like business/credit cards,stamps etc.
 
 Size: 8" x 5"
 The coin purse size: 6.5" x 3.75"
 This Hermes wallet comes with: Hermes box,Hermes
dust bag,Hermes card.

The Wallet Watches Collection Series :

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TOPIC: Balenciaga "Giant City" Bag Pink 084332B Collection
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Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:16 am
From: bagsbags130@gmail.com

Balenciaga "Giant City" Bag Pink 084332B Collection

Handbags Collection Site : http://www.handbags-guide.com/
Balenciaga "Giant City" Bag Pink 084332B View Full :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Balenciaga-Giant-City-Bag-Pink-084332B.html

Balenciaga "Giant City" Bag Pink 084332B AdditionalInfo :

Brand : Balenciaga Handbags ( http://www.handbags-guide.com/Balenciaga-Handbags.html
)
Handbags Name : Balenciaga "Giant City" Bag Pink 084332B
Code : 084332B-Pink

The giant gold hardware compliments the Pink leather beautifully and
doesn't seem over-the-top on this particular size.Balenciaga actually
uses distressed leather which gives the bag the slouchy unique and
ultra chic look.The result is rocker chick with a sophisticated
twist.- Pink leather
 - Fully lined
 - Internal compartment with zip closure
 - Balenciaga signature trademark and serial number stamped inside
 - Double leather handles plus removable leather shoulder strap
 - Zip closure with long leather zip-tassel,extra tassel included
 - Detachable mirror
 - Antique brass hardwareMade in Italy
 Size: 15"W X 9"H X 5.5"D (W38 x H24 x D14 CM)
 Shoulder-strap/handle: 4.5" (11.5 CM)
 This handbag comes with: Balenciaga Dust
bag,controllato card,spare tassle,shoulder strap,cosmetic mirror and
tags attached.

The Balenciaga Handbags Watches Collection Series :

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TOPIC: Gucci Continental Wallet 112724 Collection
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:16 am
From: bagsbags130@gmail.com

Gucci Continental Wallet 112724 Collection

Handbags Collection Site : http://www.handbags-guide.com/
Gucci Continental Wallet 112724 View Full :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Gucci-Continental-Wallet-112724.html

Gucci Continental Wallet 112724 AdditionalInfo :

Brand : Wallet ( http://www.handbags-guide.com/Wallet.html )
Handbags Name : Gucci Continental Wallet 112724
Code : 112724

- Continental wallet with gucci trademark engraved metal plate, zip
around closure, six card slots, bill compartment, and zip coin
pocket.
 - Beige/ebony GG fabric with ren leather trim, white bamboo
detail, and light gold hardware.
 
 Size: W19 X H10
 Included with purchase are: a Gucci dust bag and
tags,authenticity card; all markings and accessories are exact.

The Wallet Watches Collection Series :

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TOPIC: Chanel 6 Key Holder Black 300905 Collection
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:16 am
From: bagsbags130@gmail.com

Chanel 6 Key Holder Black 300905 Collection

Handbags Collection Site : http://www.handbags-guide.com/
Chanel 6 Key Holder Black 300905 View Full :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-6-Key-Holder-Black-300905.html

Chanel 6 Key Holder Black 300905 AdditionalInfo :

Brand : Wallet ( http://www.handbags-guide.com/Wallet.html )
Handbags Name : Chanel 6 Key Holder Black 300905
Code : 300905

Made In France
 Size: 3.9" x 2.3" x 1" (W10 x H06 x D02
CM)
 This wallet comes with: Chanel Gift Box
authenticity card (with hologram serial number that is the same as the
interior serial number),dust bag,and care booklet.

The Wallet Watches Collection Series :

Chanel Long Wallet with Silver "CC" White C1509 :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-Long-Wallet-with-Silver-CC-White-C1509.html
Chanel Long Wallet with Zip Pocket Black A32481 :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-Long-Wallet-with-Zip-Pocket-Black-A32481.html
Chanel Wallet White/Snake CC's with Coin Pocket :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-Wallet-White-Snake-CC-s-with-Coin-Pocket.html
Chanel 6 Key Holder Black 30045 :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-6-Key-Holder-Black-30045.html
Chanel Long Perforated Wallet with Silver"CC"Black :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-Long-Perforated-Wallet-with-SilverCCBlack.html
Chanel Cambon Line Long Wallet Black/Snake CC's :
http://www.handbags-guide.com/Chanel-Cambon-Line-Long-Wallet-Black-Snake-CC-s.html

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TOPIC: OT: Recent climate in your area?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 1:59 am
From: Robert Sneddon

In message <ucednfubZv6rNg7UnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@giganews.com>, Neil
Harrington <not@home.today> writes
>
>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
>news:4993a880$0$1665$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...

>> Ya know, moron, encouraging banks to provide a few loans to people
>> they'd normally discriminate against isn't going to cause the whole
>> business to collapse.

The CRA was designed in the early 1970s to get rid of a Jim Crow
situation in American home finance operations. Banks and S&Ls
(especially but not totally limited to the racist South) were refusing
to give out mortgages to people that qualified otherwise in terms of
credit ratings, savings etc. because they lived in certain areas,
usually majority black or Hispanic. White folks with the same credit
ratings etc. got mortgages because they lived outside the "redlined"
areas -- the finance offices had maps on the office walls with the
excluded areas drawn in red ink. The CRA said that mortgages had to be
determined on the applicant's ratings, not on where they lived and
colour was absolutely not to be used to determine whether to accept or
reject the application.

Many mortgages currently defaulting were issued to people with no jobs
and no income, so-called NINJA loans. The CRA had nothing to do with
that, it was just greed from the loan companies and their agents who got
commissions for every sale whether the purchaser could keep up the
payments or not. It wasn't the CRA that forced the lenders to drop their
lending standards into the toilet.

>
>It wasn't "a few loans," cretin. It was billions in defaults that together
>with plunging housing prices left the banks holding the bag. Why do you
>think they collapsed? What do you think happened to their money? The "whole
>business" did not collapse until the banks collapsed.

The banks collapsed because they leveraged mixtures of good (30-year
fixed-interest) and bad (NINJA) mortgages as financial instruments (the
infamous CDOs) and sold them to each other at ratios of thirty or forty
to one. There are maybe 150-200 billion dollars worth of defaulting
mortgages out there, although job losses caused by the second Bush
recession could drive that higher as formerly safe mortgages fall into
default as steady wage earners lose their paychecks. The banks have lost
trillions of dollars as the book values of the CDOs they hold plummeted
when they were examined closely.
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 12:05 am
From: "mianileng"

dj_nme wrote:
> Don Stauffer wrote:
>> mianileng wrote:
>>> Don Stauffer wrote:
>>>> Are we talking recent WEATHER or recent climate? There is a
>>>> difference!
>>>
>>> Both, really. The present winter and some recent ones here
>>> have been
>>> very mild, but then so were some recent summers. I started
>>> the
>>> thread out of curiosity about what the rest of the world has
>>> been
>>> like this winter *and* the past one year *and* in recent
>>> years.
>>> Throw in some tidbits about rainfall, storms, etc if you
>>> like.
>>>
>> We had a long period of below freezing weather. As the period
>> built
>> up, the length of time since the last period like that kept
>> going
>> longer. I think the last time was back in the nineties, over
>> ten
>> years ago. This cold snap had people claiming this cold snap
>> proves
>> the climate is not getting warmer. But the long time since we
>> had
>> such a cold snap says the opposite to me.
>
> In Sydney, Australia I'd say that the opposite is true.
> Most of the Summers for the last ten years have been fairly
> mild.
> Usually there's a few days of very hot weather, this year we
> got some
> "real summer" of 30 C plus for about a week and a half.
> Now we're back to mild low 20's with rain.

That's been the trend here too. When the mercury climbs for
several days of dry weather, rain comes and it quickly cools down
again. Even the hotter days usually have a cool breeze blowing
and it's not as stifling as it would otherwise be. This is unlike
most other places in India where summer breezes are warm to hot
and provide little relief. In Delhi, for instance, residents
quickly close windows when there's a wind blowing because it's
worse than when the air is still.

> It definitely was fairly cold in Australia last Winter, it even
> snowed
> in the Blue Mountains (the mountains West of Sydney) and in the
> mountains around Melbourne (also not known as "snow country" at
> all).
> Sydney is on roughly the same latitude South as Los Angeles is
> North
> and Melbourne roughly the same as San Fransisco.
> So neither city is known for snow, but for the last couple of
> years
> it's been getting closer in both than ever before.

Our recent winters have been quite mild.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:21 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Apteryx added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>> BTW, you are right about one thing, Mother Nature is the one
>> that emits the most carbon into the atmosphere, NOT mankind,
>> and mainly through DECAY of vegetation. But, to suggest that it
>> is OK for Crete to pollute but not North America or Europe is
>> ludicrous!
>
> I'd reply to your points - only I already did, before you made
> them. So I can only suggest that you reread my post, only this
> time, really read it.
>
Don't need to. Don't care about Crete but DO care about the planet
and only an idiot promotes burning wood to heat their home.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when
you lose your job. Recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his job" –
Ronald Reagan

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:27 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Robert Sneddon added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

> That wood was atmospheric CO2. As it burns or rots, it turns
> back into
> CO2 in a regular loop, meaning that atmospheric CO2 levels
> remain roughly even (in equilibrium). The problem is that coal,
> natural gas and oil was atmospheric CO2 hundreds of millions of
> years ago. Vegetation such as grasses and trees were trapped by
> geological processes (mudslides and such) and buried deep
> underground. This is what is called sequestration, where
> something is removed and locked away, inaccessible. Wood and
> other vegetation burning and rotting today is not sequestrated
> like these fossil fuels.
>
> Nowadays we dig up coal and pump up oil and gas and burn it,
> allowing
> the CO2 produced to escape to the atmosphere and increasing the
> total amount of CO2. That extra fossil-fuel CO2 absorbs and
> retains more of the sun's energy, hence global warming. The
> "anthropic" part of the problem is human beings digging up
> carbon that was locked away and returning it to the atmosphere
> by burning it. Measurements show that atmospheric CO2 levels
> have doubled in the past fifty years or so, and virtually all of
> that can be ascribed to human beings burning fossil fuels.
>
> Planting more trees helps, but we burn billions of tonnes of
> fossil
> carbon each year and we don't have enough land to grow enough
> trees to balance out our existing carbon burn never mind making
> up for the cumulative effects of the last couple of centuries of
> industrialisation. The better (and probably the only) solution
> is to cut down on fossil fuel burning and move to non-CO2 energy
> sources -- I'm partial to nuclear power, myself.

Keep in mind that the MAJOR emitter of CO2, Mother Nature, does it
by the trees you talk about decaying, which is a normal process.
Mother Nature is also the MAJOR emitter of the far more dangerous
greenhouse gas, methane, which is 29X as dangerous as CO2.
Dangerous, that is, if one is stupid enough and ignorant enough to
believe Der Furher of Der Green Nazis, Al Gore. This is all TOTAL
nonsense! I've described enough times what is really going wrong, I
gather my info from a consortia of some 300 noted scientists who
believe that climate change caused by man is a MYTH and a HOAX, and
I'm frankly tired of trying to reason with fools who have NO idea
what this is about, NO idea what proposed solutions to a NON-
problem would really do, and NO idea how to pay for such idiotic
controls on how people live their lives. This entire hysteria is
NOT about saving the planet, it is Socialism run amok that is
trying to install a near fascist control across the world to
eliminate freedom of buying choice in what is nothing more than a
RAW POWER grab.

The LAST time mean temperatures rose was about 10,000 years ago, do
you really think that was because of burning fossil fuels? But the
LAST time mean temperatures DROPPED was only 30 years ago. What if
we had tried to lower temperatures then? By now we'd be in another
Little Ice Age similar to the one that caused widespread crop
failures and massive starvation in Europe during the Middle Ages.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when
you lose your job. Recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his job" –
Ronald Reagan

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:11 am
From: "J. Clarke"

HEMI-Powered wrote:
> Robert Sneddon added these comments in the current discussion du
> jour ...
>
>> That wood was atmospheric CO2. As it burns or rots, it turns
>> back into
>> CO2 in a regular loop, meaning that atmospheric CO2 levels
>> remain roughly even (in equilibrium). The problem is that coal,
>> natural gas and oil was atmospheric CO2 hundreds of millions of
>> years ago. Vegetation such as grasses and trees were trapped by
>> geological processes (mudslides and such) and buried deep
>> underground. This is what is called sequestration, where
>> something is removed and locked away, inaccessible. Wood and
>> other vegetation burning and rotting today is not sequestrated
>> like these fossil fuels.
>>
>> Nowadays we dig up coal and pump up oil and gas and burn it,
>> allowing
>> the CO2 produced to escape to the atmosphere and increasing the
>> total amount of CO2. That extra fossil-fuel CO2 absorbs and
>> retains more of the sun's energy, hence global warming. The
>> "anthropic" part of the problem is human beings digging up
>> carbon that was locked away and returning it to the atmosphere
>> by burning it. Measurements show that atmospheric CO2 levels
>> have doubled in the past fifty years or so, and virtually all of
>> that can be ascribed to human beings burning fossil fuels.
>>
>> Planting more trees helps, but we burn billions of tonnes of
>> fossil
>> carbon each year and we don't have enough land to grow enough
>> trees to balance out our existing carbon burn never mind making
>> up for the cumulative effects of the last couple of centuries of
>> industrialisation. The better (and probably the only) solution
>> is to cut down on fossil fuel burning and move to non-CO2 energy
>> sources -- I'm partial to nuclear power, myself.
>
> Keep in mind that the MAJOR emitter of CO2, Mother Nature, does it
> by the trees you talk about decaying, which is a normal process.

That's part of the balanced cycle. Release from fossil fuels isn't
naturally balanced by anything, it's in addition to the natural cycle.

> Mother Nature is also the MAJOR emitter of the far more dangerous
> greenhouse gas, methane, which is 29X as dangerous as CO2.

"Far more dangerous" in what way? Per unit mass, yes, but the mass of
methane in the atmosphere is very small and it degrades quickly, so it
does not accumulate.

> Dangerous, that is, if one is stupid enough and ignorant enough to
> believe Der Furher of Der Green Nazis, Al Gore.

While I disagree with Gore and detest him personally, calling those
who believe in anthropogenic global warming "stupid and ignorant"
isn't the way to win converts.

> This is all TOTAL
> nonsense! I've described enough times what is really going wrong,

You mean you believe that something _is_ going wrong?

> I
> gather my info from a consortia of some 300 noted scientists who
> believe that climate change caused by man is a MYTH and a HOAX,

Uh, you've got one consortium of scientists disagreeing with another
consortium of scientists. This is a good thing, it's the way science
is supposed to work, but the fact that you have a consortium of
scientists agreeing with you doesn't mean that your consortium is
right. It doesn't mean that Gore's consortium is right either. And
if you want to say that we should hold massive programs to address the
problem in abeyance until one side or the other capitulates I agree
with you. But that doesn't mean that it's a MYTH and a HOAX, and if
you can find a quotation from any member of your consortium of
scientists that uses those words I'd like to see it.

> and
> I'm frankly tired of trying to reason with fools who have NO idea
> what this is about,

Oh, what do you think it's about?

> NO idea what proposed solutions to a NON-
> problem would really do,

So what would going to nuclear power and a hydrogen economy do?

> and NO idea how to pay for such idiotic
> controls on how people live their lives.

I think that people do have little idea of how large a program they're
advocating.

> This entire hysteria is
> NOT about saving the planet, it is Socialism run amok that is
> trying to install a near fascist control across the world to
> eliminate freedom of buying choice in what is nothing more than a
> RAW POWER grab.

Huh? How is having a choice between a HEMI-powered hydrogen car and a
fuel cell hydrogen car less "freedom of buying choice" than having a
choice between a HEMI-powered gasoline car and a gasoline car with a
very similar engine that doesn't have your beloved HEMI heads?

> The LAST time mean temperatures rose was about 10,000 years ago, do
> you really think that was because of burning fossil fuels?

Did they rise to the currently predicted levels? Does lack of
implication of fossil fuels _then_ prove that they CANNOT cause such a
rise?

> But the
> LAST time mean temperatures DROPPED was only 30 years ago.

Dropped how far? Did they rise again to the same level shortly after?

> What if
> we had tried to lower temperatures then? By now we'd be in another
> Little Ice Age similar to the one that caused widespread crop
> failures and massive starvation in Europe during the Middle Ages.

Overstating the case. If we had tried to lower temperatures then
nothing much would have happened as we wouldn't in the time that has
elapsed reduce CO2 levels enough to make a damned bit of difference.

Note that I don't believe in anthropogenic global warming, but making
yourself a charicature of those who don't believe in it doesn't help.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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TOPIC: Now he went and did it....
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 2:08 am
From: Bruce

"DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>"Bruce" <no@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:8hn6p4ttjttvdj4t32qagfn2brrarcbtkl@4ax.com
>> "DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> The fact that you did not understand what he wrote does not make me
>>> the idiot.
>>
>> I fully understand what Michael Reichmann writes. It's called
>> nonsense.
>
>What he did was carefully qualified and replicable. Reality refutes your
>claim it is nonsense.

On the contrary, he set out deliberately to mislead, and in your case,
he succeeded.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 2:38 am
From: "DRS"

"Bruce" <no@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:q5t7p456k1bvb8pmf09dgfpm1l8lcngrhv@4ax.com
> "DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:

[...]

>> What he did was carefully qualified and replicable. Reality refutes
>> your claim it is nonsense.
>
> On the contrary, he set out deliberately to mislead, and in your case,
> he succeeded.

You cannot substantiate that.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 3:57 am
From: Bruce

"DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>"Bruce" <no@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:q5t7p456k1bvb8pmf09dgfpm1l8lcngrhv@4ax.com
>> "DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>> What he did was carefully qualified and replicable. Reality refutes
>>> your claim it is nonsense.
>>
>> On the contrary, he set out deliberately to mislead, and in your case,
>> he succeeded.
>
>You cannot substantiate that.

I don't need to. You just did it for me.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:25 am
From: "DRS"

"Bruce" <no@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ck38p49puhpljvhie1sf77hg0k9eptg259@4ax.com
> "DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>> "Bruce" <no@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:q5t7p456k1bvb8pmf09dgfpm1l8lcngrhv@4ax.com
>>> "DRS" <drs@removethis.ihug.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> What he did was carefully qualified and replicable. Reality
>>>> refutes your claim it is nonsense.
>>>
>>> On the contrary, he set out deliberately to mislead, and in your
>>> case, he succeeded.
>>
>> You cannot substantiate that.
>
> I don't need to. You just did it for me.

Juvenile semantics games do nothing for your cause. You cannot substantiate
any of your claims.

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TOPIC: Canon Powershot A470
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:02 am
From: Mikie

I entered this before and got a dozen responses, none of which worked
for me.

I have the manual in PDF format on my hard drive. I want to have it in
book form so I can study it and practice the various settings.

I thought of printing it but 184 pages is a LOT of ink and paper, and
very tricky to print two on a page, both sides of the paper. I wasted
a lot of paper trying. Okay, we're not all geniuses...

I would rather buy a book on the A470 but apparently there are none
available, anywhere. Can some one lead me to a vendor that DEFINITELY
has such an animal? I bought one for every camera I ever owned but
can't find a single one for the elusive A470.

Help?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:55 am
From: Neil Ellwood

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:02:12 -0800, Mikie wrote:

> I entered this before and got a dozen responses, none of which worked
> for me.
>
> I have the manual in PDF format on my hard drive. I want to have it in
> book form so I can study it and practice the various settings.
>
> I thought of printing it but 184 pages is a LOT of ink and paper, and
> very tricky to print two on a page, both sides of the paper. I wasted a
> lot of paper trying. Okay, we're not all geniuses...
>
> I would rather buy a book on the A470 but apparently there are none
> available, anywhere. Can some one lead me to a vendor that DEFINITELY
> has such an animal? I bought one for every camera I ever owned but
> can't find a single one for the elusive A470.
>
> Help?

Just print the pages you want.

Neil
reverse ra and delete l
Linux user 335851

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:54 am
From: "Allen"

"Mikie" <mppg1@msn.com> wrote in message
news:56c2342e-d251-45c4-b3b6-762288ad9e3b@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>I entered this before and got a dozen responses, none of which worked
> for me.
>
> I have the manual in PDF format on my hard drive. I want to have it in
> book form so I can study it and practice the various settings.
>
> I thought of printing it but 184 pages is a LOT of ink and paper, and
> very tricky to print two on a page, both sides of the paper. I wasted
> a lot of paper trying. Okay, we're not all geniuses...
>
> I would rather buy a book on the A470 but apparently there are none
> available, anywhere. Can some one lead me to a vendor that DEFINITELY
> has such an animal? I bought one for every camera I ever owned but
> can't find a single one for the elusive A470.
>
> Help?

Copy the .pdf to a jump drive or cd and take it to Kinkos or other print
shops. They can print it out and bind it for you for probably no more than
you would spend buying a manual.

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 8:22 am
From: ASAAR

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:02:12 -0800 (PST), Mikie wrote:

I assume you mean when you're in the field and don't have access
to your computer. At home, I find it easer to read the PDF files
than the actual manuals, and the ability to search them is very
useful.

> I thought of printing it but 184 pages is a LOT of ink and paper, and
> very tricky to print two on a page, both sides of the paper. I wasted
> a lot of paper trying. Okay, we're not all geniuses...
>
> I would rather buy a book on the A470 but apparently there are none
> available, anywhere. Can some one lead me to a vendor that DEFINITELY
> has such an animal? I bought one for every camera I ever owned but
> can't find a single one for the elusive A470.
>
> Help?

My solution was to get Sony's Reader. It can hold many thousands
of eBooks, DOC and PDF files, and I've got all of may camera manuals
on one. The latest version (PRS-700) has many nice features, such
as searching, notes, annotations, text copy & paste, and a touch
sensitive screen. But because the older PRS-505 doesn't have the
touch sensitive screen, its display is a bit crisper. Their
rechargeable batteries have extremely long life because virtually
all of the battery power is to change the page being displayed.
Battery life is measured in "page turns", which are many thousands
per charge. Right now it's holding 57 PDF files, including Canon,
Fuji, Nikon and Olympus camera, lens and speedlight manuals, and a
few PDA and cell phone manuals.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:14 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Neil Harrington added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

>> But f the government spend the money then no demand is
>> generated?
>
> It's generated insofar as the government handouts are concerned,
> sure. People who want money for nothing, or to waste on makework
> projects that meet no real need, will get it. For example, the
> $88 million earmarked for Milwaukee school construction, when
> Milwaukee has a DECLINING student enrollment, FIFTEEN EMPTY
> schools, and no plans to actually build any more, will go to the
> politicians to squander as they wish if that goes through.
>
> That's quite a difference from the way a capitalistic system is
> supposed to work: People (not the government) spend money for
> what they actually NEED or want, demand for such products
> increases, companies producing and selling them make more money,
> hire more employees to meet the demand, those people in turn
> have more money to spend on things they need or want, and
> EVERYBODY is better off -- not just a few politicians using
> working people's money to buy votes.
> .
NO government spending comes without onerous strings attached in an
attempt to dictate how it is to be spent, NO government spending
comes without bureaucratic bungling and waste, and NO government
spending truly stimulates anything as NO government spending
produces any REAL goods or services. Rather, governments work by
creating the illusion of a NEED, but ALWAYS come with a heavy
price. Moreover, as we are moving Left very fast in the United
States, the spectre of a strong nanny state is the first shot fired
in a war that will consume us with Socialism. This is BAD because
government can NEVER spend money nearly as efficiently or
effectively as private citizens and private sector businesses.

This nonsensical Democratic wish list masquerading as an econmomic
stimulus package is nothing more than political payback on a HUGE
scale. No, friends and neighbors, there isn't any real stimulus in
the stimulus bill, but there WILL be an actual DECLINE in GDP over
the next 10 years. Don't believe me, the CBO said it!

What makes all of this possible is the simple fact that today 38%
of all Americans pay NO income taxes so they couldn't care less,
and are highly likely to WANT to drink the poison Kool-Aid of
Socialism that promises "free" money and services for no work, and
no expense to them. People like to soak the rich but forget that
the IDEA is for MORE people to become wealthy and NOT to steal
their wealth and give it to the stupid and the lazy.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"The government that governs least, governs best" - Thomas
Jefferson
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:17 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Neil Harrington added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

>> If so, where do we draw the line?
>
> Way this side of where the line would be drawn now, if anyone
> could actually draw such a line, which they cannot because no
> one seems to know what the limits of government are now, if any
> even exist.
>
> Ideally, the government's activities and authority would be very
> limited -- as they are, in fact, in the Constitution. Read the
> Constitution, all the parts of it, and then read the Bill of
> Rights with special attention to the Tenth Amendment.
>
> Nothing in the Constitution says, for example, that the federal
> government has the right to prevent a property owner from
> developing his property because doing so might make a snail too
> nervous to have sex. The Tenth Amendment says basically that any
> powers not specifically given to the federal government in the
> Constitution are "reserved to the states respectively, or to the
> people."
>
> If that instruction were simply followed as written, the size,
> taxation, spending and waste of the federal government would be
> a small fraction of what it is now.
>
The CBO - Congressional Budget Office - says that the compromise
stimulus package will actually cause a DECLINE in GDP, not a rise.
It also says that the BULK of the near-term rise before the decline
starts isn't until 2011 by which time the economy will recover on
it's own. Rather, the CBO strongly suggests doing NO new spending
and ONLY tax cuts for EVERYONE, as this RAISES GDP across the next
10 years and is FAR cheaper for the government - read: taxpayers -
to pay for. The true cost of all of this will be HIGHER interest
rates and HIGHER inflation by 2012, which is a nice coincidence
since it is the year of the next time the American people get to
rethink their decision to move to Socialism and move BACK to
freedom, self-reliance, and world-class successful free enterprise.

Wake up, America!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"The government that governs least, governs best" - Thomas
Jefferson
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 5:36 am
From: tmonego@wildblue.net

On Feb 11, 4:03 pm, Bob Williams <mytbobnos...@cox.net> wrote:
> When I think about it, I conclude that ALL digital images, even those
> from the most rudimentary, entry level digicam, must start out life as a
> raw file. I mean.....What else could it be? A bunch of 0s and 1s
> right from the sensor.
> To make the raw data useful to the average photographer, the camera had
> to do some serious processing to store and output the data as a jpeg or
> tiff file. As demand for better access to the unprocessed data increased
> camera manufacturers ALLOWED the user to download this minimally
> processed data as RAW.
> I suspect that in the "early days" it was just a matter of jpeg being
> "good enough" and it saved valuable and scarce memory space which was at
> a real premium in those days. I remember that in 2000, a 512 MB Micro
> drive cost about $250.
> Bob Williams

The earliest viable DSLRs were the Kodak DCS series (100, 200, 420,
460, C1), they were up to 6mp (460, C1) and Kodak had a RAW processing
program, Photo Desk. The other alternative was to process to TIF in
camera which took a while, but designers like TIF files. They saved to
250mb PCMCI cards which cost a couple of grand apiece. The cameras
were above $20K each, but a lot of catalog photographers used them.

Tom

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 7:00 am
From: Don Stauffer

Bob Williams wrote:
> When I think about it, I conclude that ALL digital images, even those
> from the most rudimentary, entry level digicam, must start out life as a
> raw file. I mean.....What else could it be? A bunch of 0s and 1s
> right from the sensor.
> To make the raw data useful to the average photographer, the camera had
> to do some serious processing to store and output the data as a jpeg or
> tiff file. As demand for better access to the unprocessed data increased
> camera manufacturers ALLOWED the user to download this minimally
> processed data as RAW.
> I suspect that in the "early days" it was just a matter of jpeg being
> "good enough" and it saved valuable and scarce memory space which was at
> a real premium in those days. I remember that in 2000, a 512 MB Micro
> drive cost about $250.
> Bob Williams
>
>
>
>
>
I disagree. This would be true only if RAW files had no processing
whatsoever, were just a matrix of original electron data in an array.
But most camera RAW files DO have some sort of processing. Many have
already done the color allocation, some have some compression. What is
done to the data depends on the camera and the model. If this were not
so, you would not need the RAW conversion software, you could dump it to
the screen with a very simple universal program.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 6:28 am
From: "J. Clarke"

Mikie wrote:
> Can someone help me please?
> I have a new Canon - model A470
>
> The manaul reads that the ACK800 Is the optional accessory for this
> model!

Well then it is.

> Yet nowhere on the NET do I see the AC800 as compatible with the
> A470! They all seem to list all the compatible cameras, but I
> never
> see the A470 as one of them. Does anyone have a guaranteed : yes
> compatible, or not compatible to the A 470?

Canon says in the manual it works then it works and if it doesn't then
sue Canon.

> Also, can you recommend a dependable after-market AC800? I saw one
> for 19.00 with a 3 year warranty....but a warranty is only as good
> as
> the company selling it.

The cord's going to bust on any of them long before the electronics
give out. Unless you absolutely positively _need_ to have the camera
plugged into wall power just get a charger and some Eneloops.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 12 2009 8:42 am
From: the donny

Hi. I'm going to buy my first digital. I was thinking of the
Panasonic DMC-TZ5K Lumix Digital Still Camera (Black) - 9.1 MP 10x
optical zoom
Of course I want a DSLR, but the funds ain't there. I used 35mm film
before; an old (1970's) Ricoh XR1S(all manual).
What are your thoughts on this camera?
One thing that I'm a bit perturbed about are that these digitals have
so many functions and features. Why perturbed? I'd rather spend
money on image quality than on functions I don't need.
What cameras have the best image quality in that price range($319.00
in Canada).

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