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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 7:27 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>>> "Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
>>> problem!" - Ronald Reagan
>>
>> I'm guessing that the above dogma isn't barked so much in the
>> US nowadays.
>
> Actually, Republicans have doubled down on this. The head of the
> RNC, Michael Steele, actually said this last week: "Not in the
> history of mankind has the government ever created a job."
>
> I mean, it's literally hilarious to hear someone say that.
>
Except that Steele is 100.000% RIGHT. FDR tried it and failed, as
did JFK and LBJ via the Great Society, even Clinton tried it, each
time getting bigger and bigger. BUSINESS creates jobs, get over it.
Government only creates make-work jobs which strangle the economy,
expand the deficit and trample on YOUR freedom.

But, since it is obvious that you are one of the Far Left Loons,
get out your 4-function calculator and try this one on, that is if
you don't suffer from acalculia:

The stimulus plan is about $800 BILLION and is reputed to create
(average) of 2,000,000 new jobs, if that. Which works out to about
$400 THOUSAND per every new job created. Do you in your wildest
imagination think that is OK?! Looking at the same $800B another
way, it is enough to give EVERY single taxpayer a $5,000 instant
rebate and every married couple filing jointly a $10,000 instant
rebate. Who do YOU think is better able to spend this amount, YOU
and your wife or the stupids in Washington?

I rest my case. Oh, and if you haven't already, I encourage you to
actually look for yourself as to what ludicrous things the $800B of
YOUR money will be squandered on. Easy example: some $200 MILLION
to fund abortions - in EUROPE! Spending ANY money to murder
innocent fetuses is so morally obscene as to defy imagintion, but
if the Europeans want to murder their future children, let them
fund it themselves!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"The government that governs least, governs best" - Thomas
Jefferson
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 7:30 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

>> The real cause of the current situation is Wall Street firms
>> gambling billions of dollar on a bubble and losing.
>
> Maybe this graph will explain things better for those who want
> to exclude the past eight years. Oh, and CRA-backed loans have
> had lower rates of default than average.
>
> http://trupin.smugmug.com/photos/470512519_UqJkL-X3.jpg
>
The BEST way I have seen the sub-prime problem described is when the
GREEDY (Wall Street), encouraged by the CORRUPT (Congress) meet up
with the STUPID (prospective homeowners with poor paying jobs). That
is a sure recipe for disaster! I see absolutely NO reason for the
American people to even be involved in encouraging home ownership and
even LESS reason to bail out the purveyors of risky loans OR the
people so stupid as to not read the contract they were signing to
determine they couldn't afford the house in the first place.

--
HP, aka Jerry

"The government that governs least, governs best" - Thomas Jefferson
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:03 am
From: "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu

HEMI-Powered wrote:

>>
> The BEST way I have seen the sub-prime problem described is when the
> GREEDY (Wall Street), encouraged by the CORRUPT (Congress) meet up
> with the STUPID (prospective homeowners with poor paying jobs). That
> is a sure recipe for disaster!

You get not only the Mark Twain award, but the P. T. Barnum award
too, for succinctly summing up the problem.

Doug McDonald

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:46 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

>> The BEST way I have seen the sub-prime problem described is
>> when the GREEDY (Wall Street), encouraged by the CORRUPT
>> (Congress) meet up with the STUPID (prospective homeowners with
>> poor paying jobs). That is a sure recipe for disaster!
>
>
> You get not only the Mark Twain award, but the P. T. Barnum
> award too, for succinctly summing up the problem.
>
Thanks muchly, Doug, but I can't claim credit for it. I read this in
an op-ed in my local newspaper. You seem to agree with me that this
is brilliant in it's simplicity. It's too bad that our elected
leaders - and I don't care what party you like - would think first of
the American people at large, second on their specific consituents,
and DEAD LAST their party and their own re-election.

Over my lifetime, I've seen a steady erosion in politicians doing a
reasonable job of representing their constituents to the point where
in the last few election cycles, the process has broken down
completely into partisan haggling with each side spending the vast
majority of their time spinning their side up and trying to demagogue
their opposition. In short, BOTH parties are obstructionist. I really
would like to see TRUE bi-partisanship sometime before I die, but I'm
not holding my breath.

Have a pleasant day!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"The government that governs least, governs best" - Thomas Jefferson
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:18 am
From: Cynicor

HEMI-Powered wrote:
> Cynicor added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>>> "Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
>>>> problem!" - Ronald Reagan
>>> I'm guessing that the above dogma isn't barked so much in the
>>> US nowadays.
>> Actually, Republicans have doubled down on this. The head of the
>> RNC, Michael Steele, actually said this last week: "Not in the
>> history of mankind has the government ever created a job."
>>
>> I mean, it's literally hilarious to hear someone say that.
>>
> Except that Steele is 100.000% RIGHT.

So there are no such things as DOT road crews. Thanks for the clarification.

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TOPIC: Why So Many "RAW" Formats?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 7:30 am
From: Matt Ion

Bob Williams wrote:
> Seems like every Camera manufacturer has one or more of his own versions
> of a RAW image format. And many (most?) versions are proprietary.

RAW, by its very definition, is not an "image format" but simply the raw
data straight off the camera sensor. Thus any change in the sensor -
including going to a higher resolution - results in a different RAW output.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 7:42 am
From: "Glen"

"Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
news:zFRjl.5129$_A2.1107@newsfe22.iad...

> Seems like every Camera manufacturer has one or more of his own versions
> of a RAW image format. And many (most?) versions are proprietary.
> Nikon even encrypts some of its RAW files to discourage 3rd parties from
> developing "converters" to change the raw file to a more conventional and
> useful format like tiff, jpeg, etc.
> Considering that Adobe and many other 3rd parties can successfully convert
> the RAW files, why all the secrecy and annoyance of having so many
> different incompatible RAW formats.
> The difference in final results can't be all that significant....Can it?
> What's the chances of a single, industry-standard RAW-Type format?
> Suppose every manufacturer used a non-standard type of jpeg format.....
> Where would we be? ......Your Thoughts.
> Bob Williams

Absolutely agree. Adobe already submitted the DNG format for consideration
as a vendor independent standard to the International Standard's
Organization (ISO) in May last year. Hopefully it's only a matter of time.

I don't know of anyone except certain camera manufacturers who would object
to being able to shoot DNG RAW files straight out of the camera.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:01 am
From: ray

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:18:43 -0800, Bob Williams wrote:

> Seems like every Camera manufacturer has one or more of his own versions
> of a RAW image format. And many (most?) versions are proprietary. Nikon
> even encrypts some of its RAW files to discourage 3rd parties from
> developing "converters" to change the raw file to a more conventional
> and useful format like tiff, jpeg, etc. Considering that Adobe and many
> other 3rd parties can successfully convert the RAW files, why all the
> secrecy and annoyance of having so many different incompatible RAW
> formats. The difference in final results can't be all that
> significant....Can it? What's the chances of a single, industry-standard
> RAW-Type format? Suppose every manufacturer used a non-standard type of
> jpeg format..... Where would we be? ......Your Thoughts. Bob Williams

I expect it has to do with the way the components are assembled - most
likely the path of least resistance is often taken.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:02 am
From: Chris H

In message <zFRjl.5129$_A2.1107@newsfe22.iad>, Bob Williams
<mytbobnospam@cox.net> writes
>Seems like every Camera manufacturer has one or more of his own
>versions of a RAW image format. And many (most?) versions are
>proprietary.

RAW is the sensor data file. It is not an image format.

>Nikon even encrypts some of its RAW files to discourage 3rd parties
>from developing "converters" to change the raw file to a more
>conventional and useful format like tiff, jpeg, etc.

This is not true. You can get SDK's . Nikon, Fuji (and I assume the
others do similar) supply free RAW converters

>Considering that Adobe and many other 3rd parties can successfully
>convert the RAW files,

How does this square with you paragraph above that "to discourage 3rd
parties from developing "converters""

> why all the secrecy and annoyance of having so many different
>incompatible RAW formats.

The formats are different because they all use different sensors

>The difference in final results can't be all that significant....Can it?

Yes.

>What's the chances of a single, industry-standard RAW-Type format?

Zero. There are many different types of sensors and they all output
different data. Do you think a 2MP DX camera will have the same
information as a 25MP FX camera?

There are many RAW convertors out there. I use DXO which works with
several RAW formats. There are several others Most Camera makers have
their own free converter SW

>Suppose every manufacturer used a non-standard type of jpeg format.....
>Where would we be? ......Your Thoughts.
>Bob Williams

RAW is the sensor data, JPG is an Image format. Not the same thing. You
can use RAW processors to convert to an image file.

However if you are that concerned shoot in JPEG not RAW

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 7:32 am
From: George Kerby

On 2/8/09 3:49 PM, in article
6146f4b1-7649-438f-b451-56462a7575df@o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
"Annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote:

> On Feb 8, 4:45 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it me, or is "competitive eating" sub-human? I can't watch it. GD
>>> disgusting.
>>
>> It's a completely tasteless activity.
>>
>
> At that speed, you're probably correct that taste has little to do
> with it.
> These guys are tremendous athletes. I'll probably never win the
> Masters, but I'll come closer to winning the Masters than I will to
> eating 100 hamburgers in 8 minutes.
>
> Enjoy it while you can. Some day, one of the competitors will die
> right on stage and all the pantywaists will be clamoring to ban the
> sport immediately.
>
>
I'm waiting for the "Substance Testing" to begin.

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TOPIC: D-Mac In Florida?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 7:40 am
From: George Kerby

On 2/8/09 9:44 PM, in article 498fa69e@news.x-privat.org, "Atheist Chaplain"
<abused@cia.gov> wrote:

> "Annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:c0129ce7-875e-4dbb-b7a4-d24ef0733709@x9g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 8, 7:20 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> I went to the Mt Dora Art Festival today and was surprised to see that
>> D-Mac was on-site:
>>
>> http://tonycooper.fileave.com/d-mac1.jpg
>
> That can't be D-Mac. D-Mac is a lot older and he no longer shoots
> Canon, especially the 1 Series.
>
>>
>> I was able to secure one of his photos that incorporates the famous
>> Australian moiré effect that is normally applied to tuxedo jackets.
>> Doug seems to be expanding it to skin tones.
>>
>> http://tonycooper.fileave.com/d-mac2.jpg
>
> It is hardly noticeable when printed on canvas. I think he's even got
> an algorithm for it or something.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> you would also note that if it was Douggies ladder it would be modified,
> after all getting 300 pounds of shit up that high would require a large
> bucket of some kind and probably a winch as well.
>
Florida is the home of the world-famous Coral Castle, where a whole lot more
shit was raised by a single person. So I guess anything is possible...

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle>

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TOPIC: Adobe Photoshop CS4 Save $700
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:01 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:f6loo41o6akoomeqf9taouh55sfbo2r59k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:05:11 -0000, "whisky-dave"
> <whisky-dave@final.front.ear> wrote:
>

>>As an example I have a fully legal copy office on the PC at work,
>>last I heard it was OK for me to copy that to a laptop PC but not a Mac,
>>I should by another copy, which to me seems a little unfair descrimination
>>I call it, if only my Mac was black ;-)
>>
> Most of the questions above can be answered by simply reading the
> Adobe End User License Agreement. That's available to read at
> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/psase_license.html
>
> I am somewhat shocked that a person who had the responsibility of
> being the software auditor of a university doesn't know how to find a
> copy of the EULA and makes statements that are contradicted by the
> EULA. It's like the Safety Officer of a company not being able to
> find a MSDS on a chemical used by the company.

I was auditor about the time Word 5.1 was released we didn't; have
a network at that time, and I preferred reading the papers that came in the
box.
I assume the EULAs have changed since then, but then I'm even more
surprised that you MUST agree to EULA before reading it, i.e by opening
the box you agree to something you haven't read.
A breakdown of that license was that we purchased 10 copies, one copy per
computer with 5 sets of Manuals it was labelled a class room copy or
something.
NOT student copies and not a signed license agreement which is what appears
to happen now.

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Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:18 am
From: "whisky-dave"

"Annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4f434680-bfc2-4f20-b233-d98af7a5f1c0@l16g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 6, 10:05 am, "whisky-dave" <whisky-d...@final.front.ear> wrote:
>
> Yep, I got hooked on PS with my first 'borrowed copy'

}I've always wondered how many people who use legal versions of
}Photoshop professionally,

I don't use it professonally, never have.
Well I did do a bit of cropping using 5.0LE.

More of a hobby thing.

>learned on "borrowed" or pirated copies?
}Sure, Adobe offers a 30-day free trial for their products, but that's
}not really long enough to get very deep in it.

That's true of most software, there's various was around some demos
as can be seen :)

}It has always been a theory of mine that Adobe really doesn't mind a
}bit of piracy for this reason.

I think that's the case with most software vendors.

}Many of the pirates go on to purchase
}the product later. Once you have invested the time in learning a
}product, you are less likely to change to a competing product.

Same with banks etc..

> So the
}more people out there downloading Photoshop, the better it is for
}Adobe in the long run.

True, now if everyone learned to drive in a Ferrari or Porche etc. I bet
that would
increase thier sales rather than decrease them.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:06 am
From: Chris H

In message <Xns9BAD56D06FE67ReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30>, HEMI-Powered
<none@none.sn> writes
>Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>
>>>Whatever the details turn out to be regardless of
>>>who-knew-what-and-when, four things are very clear:
>>>
>>>1. Iraq most definitely had WMDs and used them against its own
>>>people.
>>
>> Yes I know I was there
>
>So, where did they go and when were they removed?

They were used. Chemical weapons.

>If YOU saw them,
>then why didn't YOU do something about it?

I did. The paperwork and photographs are confidential. As was the
correspondence with PM Thatcher (for another 11 years.)

>As with most of your
>other rants, YOUR country pretty much sat on it's hands and did
>nothing.
Not at all true. However most of what the UK does is not in the
headlines

> For example, if YOU saw these WMD, why did not Tony Blair
>call President Bush and agree to take them out right then and
>there?

In 1988 Neither Blair or GWB were in power and I DID communicate
directly with PM Thatcher. (a career limiting move)

Also their use was permitted by the US so complaining to them would
have been counter productive.

It is interesting what the Kurds were saying. The CIA had been using
them much as they did the Marsh Arabs a few years alter. Left them to be
slaughtered by Saddam too.

>>>2. Iraq did not fully cooperate with inspectors
>>
>> True but they co-operated far more than the US has ever done
>> with investigations in to the US
>Nonsense.

Not according to the Oxford Coroner. It is a matter of public record.
Also see the crap the US has been dishing out over the last British
Prisoner in Guntanamo. The UK courts, Government and US military lawyers
have all been involved. Lead news story for a while a as were the severa
other times the Oxford coroner has had problems with the US withholding
evidence.

>>
>>>to determine once and
>>>for all if they had truly destroyed their WMDs and truly given
>>>up any efforts to develop them.
>>
>> The UN had the evidence. They needed one more trip to tie it
>> down and Iraq had agreed to this. The US and the US alone would
>> not give them time,
>
>More nonsense. YOUR country had not been attacked on 9/11, ours
>was.

So what. IT was the third attack of a series of RETALIATION attacks OBL
had a press conference about some 6 weeks before the first one

> We know NOW there were no WMD

And knew BEFORE the invasion

>and I've stated that the legal
>justification for the US to go to war was flimsy at best,

TRUE

> but had
>al Qaeda taken out Big Ben or Parliament, what would YOUR PM have
>done,

Not invade either Afghanistan or Iraq but EXACTLY the same as we did
when other have bombed the UK

>besides plea for help from the US,

We never have for counter terrorist work... HOWEVER the US HAS requested
help from the UK several times and most certainly over Iraq and
Afghanistan.

In fact the first fire fight after 9/11 took place i5km NE of Karbul on
9/21 and involved British troops who had been inserted on 9/16 at teh
request of the US.....

>remembering that the UK
>has NO effective strategic military any more and couldn't mount a
>massive invasion of a foreign country if it wanted to.

We don't need to. We have a military designed for the 21st Centuary. Ie
counter terrorist warfare. This is what we are doing in Afghanistan as
the US is not able to.

The US has a 20th century military designed for last millennium's wars
not the conflicts of the future.

The US has just lost WW3 and the enemy did not even fire up a tank let
alone move troops.

>>> Nobody stepped up and said "wait a
>>>minute, we have proof that he actually destroyed all those
>>>weapons and development facilities."
>>
>> THE CIA, SIS and DGSE ALL leaked information to say there were
>> no WMD.... it is some what difficult for a spy service to stand
>> up and call their own government liars. Several members of the
>> US administration etc on retiring have confirmed it was known
>> BEFORE the invasion there were no WMD's
>
>No, I really doubt it. Our CIA and NSA could hardly leak what there
>is NO proof they ever knew about it in the first place. But, yes,
>AFTER the fact, people such as Colin Powell DID admit that it was
>known that the intelligence on WMD was at least faulty if not
>nonexistant.

SIS and DGSE were leaking as was the CIA in certain circles. Obviously
not to the press though

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TOPIC: New online photo gallery
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:17 am
From: suZanmillerrag@aim.com

Please feel free to visit:

http://susiemilaniphoto.com

and please let me know what you think

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:47 am
From: "HEMI-Powered"

added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> Please feel free to visit:
>
> http://susiemilaniphoto.com
>
> and please let me know what you think
>
this is the THIRD time you've spammed this NG with your self-serving
bullshit. go away!

--
HP, aka Jerry

"The government that governs least, governs best" - Thomas Jefferson
"Government is NOT the solution to our problems, it IS our
problem!" - Ronald Reagan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:36 am
From: AlanL

In article <uy6jl.777$Kr1.656@newsfe13.iad>,
Peabody <waybackNO784SPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I don't currently have a working camera, and have been looking at
>the Canon A590IS, which is now widely available for about $100.
>Well, $100 plus a memory card, batteries, a charger, etc.
> [ ... ]
>a better choice in a low-cost camera? (Preferably a CHDK camera.)

I just bought the a590is a couple months ago, and
I love it. It's small and capable, and with CHDK
it's even more so. Surprisingly, it's the camera
I grab when I go out (95% of the time) unless I
have a very specific need for something that requires
more.

AlanL

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TOPIC: Abstract paintings of Will Dockery
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 8:36 am
From: On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built

In article <6fc28$498ccd9c$4b4c71e9$11090@KNOLOGY.NET>, Will Dockery says...
>
>I've posted a new gallery of some of my recent abstract paintings, which
>some of you may have an interest in checking out, for whichever reasons you
>prefer.
>
>These paintings are made with a variety of materials from oil, watercolor
>and pastel paints, to housepaint, solvents and melted plastics:
>
>http://www.fototime.com/inv/E917106F136751F
>
>Comments and critique, as with all my work in all forms, is most welcome.

this is most interesting. i spent several summers, whenst in college, working
for a professional house painter. of course he used these huge sail-sheet drop
clothes to protect the floors and furniture from dripping and spilling paint.

his sail-sheet drop clothes had more artistic worth than these things you posted
here.

as for your drawings? what a criminal waste of bandwidth. only a delusional fool
would have posted those embarrassments. the sadness that is you is sometimes
really hard to watch.

most sincerely,

GodBuilt

--
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"I am a false prophet and God is a superstition.." "Again!"

There Will Be Blood

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TOPIC: Tethering the Sigma SD14
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:20 am
From: Fred the Red Shirt

I'm looking for information on how to use the Sigma SD-14 tethered,
and also how to use it to shoot video.

I have PC software that will record video, but do not know how to
set the camera (other than connecting the cable).

So, can anyone here direct me to some useful information?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:55 am
From: nospam

In article
<6dfe106f-ff7a-466a-bb0e-79d1846cc1f8@x9g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Fred the Red Shirt <fredfighter@spamcop.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for information on how to use the Sigma SD-14 tethered,
> and also how to use it to shoot video.

it doesn't do either one.

> So, can anyone here direct me to some useful information?

buy a different camera if those functions are important.

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TOPIC: Recent climate in your area?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:41 am
From: "mianileng"

whisky-dave wrote:
> "mianileng" <mianileng@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:gmkg27$6vd$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>>
>> It will be interesting to learn what the rest of the world has
>> been
>> like over the past one year. Anyone willing to provide some
>> inputs?
>
> Coldest spell in London UK for 20 years.
>
> Brass monkey population plumets :)

I watch the EPL games and sometimes see it snowing quite heavily
during a game (I'm a Liverpool fan). Must be difficult to keep
global warming in mind. What are your temp readings?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:49 am
From: "mianileng"

HEMI-Powered wrote:
> mianileng added these comments in the current discussion du
> jour
> ...
>
>>> Hmm, wood logs? And you reduce the pollution how? As to
>>> whatever the
>>> OP's real agenda is, they could easily answer their own
>>> question by
>>> some adroid Internet research so I rather think they have
>>> something else in mind than people giving them a weather
>>> report.
>>
>> ???!!! Whatever gave you the idea that I have a hidden agenda?
>> You're paranoid, man. What's wrong with a little OT chat now
>> and
>> then about something we all experience? Doing a search on the
>> Internet is not a substitute for everything. It lacks that
>> personal touch and the information gained can sometimes be
>> misleading. For example, Yahoo Weather often gives temp
>> readings
>> for my town that disagree with mine by several degrees. Oh
>> yes,
>> I've checked my weather thermometer against standard lab units
>> and it's fairly accurate.
>>
> I am fine with OT discussions, I engage in them myself. What
> I'm
> railing against is the use of WOOD as a heat source since it is
> an
> outrageous polluter that NO ONE with any brains would want to
> use
> consistently unless they like to SEE the air they breathe. The
> Green
> Nazis insist on smoke scrubbers on coal-fired power plants and
> want
> some bullshit initiative called "cap and trade" to control CO2
> emissions in future, so what would YOU do to control both the
> obvious
> air pollution including particulates and the greenhouse gases
> that
> result from all that wood? Ever hear of natual gas?

It was not I who mentioned using wood stoves for heating. No one
uses them in towns and cities anymore even here.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 9:54 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <gmpptf$o1q$1@news.motzarella.org>, "mianileng" <mianileng@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>whisky-dave wrote:
>> "mianileng" <mianileng@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:gmkg27$6vd$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to learn what the rest of the world has
>>> been
>>> like over the past one year. Anyone willing to provide some
>>> inputs?
>>
>> Coldest spell in London UK for 20 years.
>>
>> Brass monkey population plumets :)
>
>I watch the EPL games and sometimes see it snowing quite heavily
>during a game (I'm a Liverpool fan). Must be difficult to keep
>global warming in mind. What are your temp readings?
>
>

About 7 degrees cooler than last year according to gas co.
About a couple degrees F below zero minimum.

Not as cold as the 1994 - 14 degrees F.

Damm gas co jacked the price up 20% over the summer.
Brought it back down 10% starting this month.

$135 max gas bill last winter. $195 this year.

greg

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 10:01 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <gmpqbe$s41$1@news.motzarella.org>, "mianileng" <mianileng@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>HEMI-Powered wrote:
>> mianileng added these comments in the current discussion du
>> jour
>> ...
>>
>>>> Hmm, wood logs? And you reduce the pollution how? As to
>>>> whatever the
>>>> OP's real agenda is, they could easily answer their own
>>>> question by
>>>> some adroid Internet research so I rather think they have
>>>> something else in mind than people giving them a weather
>>>> report.
>>>
>>> ???!!! Whatever gave you the idea that I have a hidden agenda?
>>> You're paranoid, man. What's wrong with a little OT chat now
>>> and
>>> then about something we all experience? Doing a search on the
>>> Internet is not a substitute for everything. It lacks that
>>> personal touch and the information gained can sometimes be
>>> misleading. For example, Yahoo Weather often gives temp
>>> readings
>>> for my town that disagree with mine by several degrees. Oh
>>> yes,
>>> I've checked my weather thermometer against standard lab units
>>> and it's fairly accurate.
>>>
>> I am fine with OT discussions, I engage in them myself. What
>> I'm
>> railing against is the use of WOOD as a heat source since it is
>> an
>> outrageous polluter that NO ONE with any brains would want to
>> use
>> consistently unless they like to SEE the air they breathe. The
>> Green
>> Nazis insist on smoke scrubbers on coal-fired power plants and
>> want
>> some bullshit initiative called "cap and trade" to control CO2
>> emissions in future, so what would YOU do to control both the
>> obvious
>> air pollution including particulates and the greenhouse gases
>> that
>> result from all that wood? Ever hear of natual gas?
>
>It was not I who mentioned using wood stoves for heating. No one
>uses them in towns and cities anymore even here.

I would not hesitate using a wood stove. If I had a fireplace I would
definately be using that. Had a fireplace in the old house, but
got tired of making fires. Had different wood stoves shoved
in the two fireplaces, but didn't work out well. Due to the price of
energy I will be burning wood.

Remember my grandmothers coal kitchen stove/oven and coal furnace.
Good ol days. Everythings clean now.

greg

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TOPIC: Nikon D90 video as it relates to lens width / angle
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 9 2009 10:10 am
From: "Destin_FL"

Hello all,
Couple of questions about the D90 video feature before I take this plunge...
first, does it shoot video in wide angle if I have a wide angle lens on e.g.
12-24mm OR is the video feature constrained to some predetermined aperture
so that the lens doesn't make any real impact on the video?

Secondly, is it possible to shoot video in Portrait orientation and if so,
is there any way to actually view it in portrait orientation on a TV or
monitor?

The scenario would be shooting room interiors wherein the D90 would
essentially replace the need for stitching pano images together. So I would
shoot video in the portrait position so as to get more of the room height,
etc.

Thanks,

Tim

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