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* Opinions: Can I use my old Nikon lenses on a new Nikon digital camera? - 2
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* Thanx to all. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Palestinians Under Attack - 21 messages, 2 authors
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* End of an era - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Opinions: Can I use my old Nikon lenses on a new Nikon digital camera?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:05 am
From: Twibil

On Jan 22, 8:29 pm, Jürgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> For a detailed compatibility matrix please seehttp://bythom.com/lensacronyms.htm

Told me everything I needed to know in detail.

Thanx, ~Pete

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:11 am
From: Twibil

On Jan 22, 8:49 pm, Paul Furman <pa...@-edgehill.net> wrote:

> If the lens won't meter on the camera, that means you can't even look at
> the meter & adjust, you'll just have to guess.

Well, no, that's why they invented primitive stone hand-held light
meters many eons ago. };-P

My old Gossen Luna Pro still works just fine, and will even do a
couple of things that in-camera light meters won't.

Thanx, ~Pete

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TOPIC: Thanx to all.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:18 am
From: Twibil

What a nice -and useful- newsgroup!

I asked what probably seemed like a silly question to a bunch of
digital guys, and not only got exactly the help I needed but not one
soul flamed me for being a newbie to the technology!

Are you all *sure* that rec.photo.digital is still a part of usenet??

~Pete

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TOPIC: Palestinians Under Attack
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== 1 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:19 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> HEMI - Powered <none@none.giganews> wrote:
>>>>>>> Such revisionist thinking, and even more so, the Liberal bias on
>>>>>>> our college campuses, perverts the very notions of freedom of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fascists hate liberalism.
>>>>>
>>>>>Name calling is a typical tactic of the intelletually bankrupt.
>>>>
>>>>Indeed HEMI is nothing if not intellectually bankrupt.
>>>
>>>Indeed Ray is nothing if not a name-caller in the best
>>>self-righteously bigoted tradition.
>>
>>Whining about name-calling even as you call names isn't very smart.
>
>True, if that's all it is. I'm consistent in classifying you as a

You accuse people of being anti-semitic and nazis for daring to
criticize Iraeli war crimes. You're just a sleazy brat who blames
others for your own filth.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 2 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:22 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
> Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>

>>Not in the slightest. Most of us in this forum would support Ray in most
>>of his comments and posts.
>
>Nonsense. His typical post is along the lines of, "You're an idiot,

Your typical post is to deny, to accuse people of doing what you're
doing, to call people anti-semites, and to lie your ass off in order
to rationalize your murderous hatred of Muslims and Arabs.

>>On the other hand you seem to be a self righteous bigot spewing
>>propaganda and lies
>
>Only propaganda and lies according to your bigoted anti-Israel
>worldview.

The Israeli airstrikes on the Gaza Strip represent severe and
massive violations of international humanitarian law as defined in
the Geneva Conventions, both in regard to the obligations of an
Occupying Power and in the requirements of the laws of war.

Those violations include:
- Collective punishment: The entire 1.5 million people who live
in the crowded Gaza Strip are being punished for the actions of a
few militants.

- Targeting civilians: The airstrikes were aimed at civilian
areas in one of the most crowded stretches of land in the world,
certainly the most densely populated area of the Middle East.

- Disproportionate military response: The airstrikes have not
only destroyed every police and security office of Gaza's elected
government, but have killed and injured hundreds of civilians; at
least one strike reportedly hit groups of students attempting to
find transportation home from the university.

Earlier Israeli actions, specifically the complete sealing off of
entry and exit to and from the Gaza Strip, have led to severe
shortages of medicine and fuel (as well as food), resulting in the
inability of ambulances to respond to the injured, the inability of
hospitals to adequately provide medicine or necessary equipment for
the injured, and the inability of Gaza's besieged doctors and other
medical workers to sufficiently treat the victims.

Certainly the rocket attacks against civilian targets in Israel are
unlawful. But that illegality does not give rise to any Israeli
right, neither as the Occupying Power nor as a sovereign state, to
violate international humanitarian law and commit war crimes or
crimes against humanity in its response. I note that Israel's
escalating military assaults have not made Israeli civilians safer;
to the contrary, the one Israeli killed today after the upsurge of
Israeli violence is the first in over a year.

Israel has also ignored recent Hamas diplomatic initiatives to
re-establish the truce or ceasefire since its expiration on December
26.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090112/falk?rel=hp_currently

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 3 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:23 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

HEMI - Powered <none@none.supernews> wrote:
>Stephen Bishop added these comments in the current discussion du
>jour ...
>
>>>And if you think I'm the only one taking 'potshots' at him, them
>>>you must not get around Usenet much at all.
>>
>> It seems like you are the ringleader of whatever vendetta you
>> have against him, and I have yet to see you post anything
>> relevent to any conversation other than to try to belittle that
>> one person.
>>
>There's background to this that doesn't need to be aired here. I
>leave it to YOU, Stephen, to decide for yourself if I do or don't
>come across as reasonable and as an informed commentator.

You come across as a far-right-wing extremist.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 4 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:25 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
> Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>

>>>>>I've taken several courses in political science and aced all of them,
>>>>>thank you.
>>>>
>>>>Now we know you are lying.
>>>
>>>How could you possibly know that? Have you seen my transcripts?
>>
>>It is obvious from what you are saying in this NG that you are lying
>>about these courses and that you "aced" them. It just does not match
>>the propaganda and drivel you have been posting on this subject
>
> That's merely according to your narrow worldview and political
>opinion, which makes that a circular argument.

No, it comes from the fact that you don't know the difference
between socialists and national socialists.

Israel is facing growing demands from senior UN officials and human
rights groups for an international war crimes investigation in Gaza
over allegations such as the "reckless and indiscriminate" shelling
of residential areas and use of Palestinian families as human
shields by soldiers.

With the death toll from the 17-day Israeli assault on Gaza climbing
above 900, pressure is increasing for an independent inquiry into
specific incidents, such as the shelling of a UN school turned
refugee centre where about 40 people died, as well as the question
of whether the military tactics used by Israel systematically
breached humanitarian law.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/13/gaza-israel-war-crimes

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 5 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:27 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:01:54 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>On 21 Jan 2009 05:04:33 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>HEMI - Powered <none@none.giganews> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Such revisionist thinking, and even more so, the Liberal bias on
>>>>>>>our college campuses, perverts the very notions of freedom of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fascists hate liberalism.
>>>>>
>>>>>In your self-rightous bigotry you miss the truth that Facism *is*
>>>>>liberalism taken to its extreme.
>>>>
>>>>An outright lie, but just what I'd expect from a lying, bigoted
>>>>asshole like you. I stated a fact. You don't like the fact because
>>>>it shows that you are a fascist?
>>>
>>>Oh, Ray, what other response could have been expected from you?
>>
>>Changing the subject now?
>
>No, just making an astute observation.

ANybody who thinks that fascism and liberalism are the same thing is a
dishonest idiot.

>>>You're wrong,
>>
>>Not usually, and not this time.
>>
>> Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from
>> each other, they had many characteristics in common, including
>> extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy
>> and political and cultural liberalism
>> Encyclopedia Britannica
>
>Yes, that's true.

Thus, your claim was a lie.

> But it (as well as you) misses the point that
>fascism is indeed liberalism taken to its extreme.

Even those the article above says that fascists have contempt for
liberalism.

So the question then become: How fanatical are you that you reject
and lie about article which are right in front of you?

> Although fascism
>claims to hate liberalism, the end game is the same:

Oh, so everybody in the world who disagrees with you must be wrong.

You're insane.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 6 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:28 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
> "J. Clarke"

>>> German Nationalsozialismus , also called Nazism or Naziism
>>> totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi
>>> Party in Germany. In its intense nationalism, mass appeal, and
>>> dictatorial rule, National Socialism shared many elements with
>>> Italian fascism. However, Nazism was far more extreme both in
>>> its
>>> ideas and in its practice. In almost every respect it was an
>>> anti-intellectual and atheoretical movement, emphasizing the
>>> will
>>> of the charismatic dictator as the sole source of inspiration of
>>> a
>>> people and a nation, as well as a vision of annihilation of all
>>> enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi
>>> policy.
>>> Encyclopedia Brittanica
>>
>>Well, all of that is nice, but it doesn't demonstrate that it wasn't
>>socialism. In case it has escaped your notice, socialism is an
>>economic system.
>
>Rightly or wrongly, in modern politics liberalism and socialism share
>the same bed.

So far you claim that liberalism, socialism, and fascism are all
really the same thing.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 7 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:29 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:03:46 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>
>>>>National socialism is NOT THE SAME as socialism, you stupid asshole.
>>>>Sheesh, take a introductory course in political science. Learn something.
>>>
>>>I've taken several courses in political science and aced all of them,
>>
>>Now we know, without a doubt, that you're a liar.
>
>How so?
>
>
>>
>> German Nationalsozialismus , also called Nazism or Naziism
>> totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi
>> Party in Germany. In its intense nationalism, mass appeal, and
>> dictatorial rule, National Socialism shared many elements with
>> Italian fascism. However, Nazism was far more extreme both in its
>> ideas and in its practice. In almost every respect it was an
>> anti-intellectual and atheoretical movement, emphasizing the will
>> of the charismatic dictator as the sole source of inspiration of a
>> people and a nation, as well as a vision of annihilation of all
>> enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
>> Encyclopedia Brittanica
>
>Yes, and your point is?

That you're a liar. Pay attention.

>It's interesting that the cult of Obama-ism and his rise from nowhere

And there is more of that political bigotry that has corrupted the
right wing. You extremists have nothing but hatred to offer.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 8 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:30 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:04:57 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>>> Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> writes
>>>>HEMI - Powered <none@none.supernews> wrote:
>>>>>Ray Fischer added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>
>>>>>>>The Nazis were not Christians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance
>>>>>> with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard
>>>>>> against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.
>>>>>> Adolf Hitler
>>>>>
>>>>>Since YOU are a first class racist, bigot and anti-Semite, and one
>>>>
>>>>And there goes the rightard spewing the usual vitriol and hatred.
>>>>
>>>>> Adolph Hitler was
>>>>>NOT a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>Hitler said otherwise, bigot.
>>>Did he? Do you have a reference for that?
>>
>>The quote above is from Mein Kampf.
>
> Which you obviously know very well.

I'm educated. You're not.

> Sieg Hiel, Ray.

Take your salutes somewhere else, nazi.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 9 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:31 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:06:04 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>HEMI - Powered <none@none.supernews> wrote:
>>>>>Ray Fischer added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>>>>...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Nazis were not Christians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance
>>>>>> with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard
>>>>>> against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.
>>>>>> Adolf Hitler
>>>>>
>>>>>Since YOU are a first class racist, bigot and anti-Semite, and one
>>>>
>>>>And there goes the rightard spewing the usual vitriol and hatred.
>>>>
>>>>> Adolph Hitler was
>>>>>NOT a Christian.
>>>>
>>>>Hitler said otherwise, bigot.
>>>
>>>So now Ray actually believes the words of Hitler?
>>
>>I'm sure that you understand Hitler's mindset much better than anybody
>>else. Given how you like to emulate him and all.
>
>Wow, I'm truly impressed.

You're the one throwing out the nazi salutes.

>Well, if I truly liked to emulate Hitler I would use his words to
>support my arguments,

Which you have.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 10 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:33 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:47:08 -0500, "J. Clarke"
><jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>HEMI - Powered wrote:
>>> Ray Fischer added these comments in the current discussion du jour
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>> The Nazis were not Christians.
>>>>
>>>> And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance
>>>> with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard
>>>> against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.
>>>> Adolf Hitler
>>>
>>> Since YOU are a first class racist, bigot and anti-Semite, and one
>>> who appears to know nothing about history at all, Adolph Hitler was
>>> NOT a Christian. It is doubtful that he ascribed to any religion and
>>> was likely an atheist so your bullshit quote is just that -
>>> bullshit.
>>
>>Care to provide some sources that assert that he was not Christian?
>
>The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar,
>Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof
>of Hitler's real views.

Oh, his "real" views.

"No true scotsman" fallacy.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 11 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:33 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:07:32 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>On 21 Jan 2009 05:19:51 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 20 Jan 2009 18:15:51 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 20 Jan 2009 08:03:18 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On 18 Jan 2009 22:59:42 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On 18 Jan 2009 00:15:55 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:23:42 +0000, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In message <0em1n4tm1lc8s0cfvgslm44sr2q4v7h5mm@4ax.com>, Stephen Bishop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><nospamplease@now.com> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What "atrocities", asshole?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just count them, self-righteous bigot: blowing up busses filled with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>innocent people;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As started by Israeli terrorists in 1947
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blowing up restaurants filled with innocent people;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As started by Israeli terrorists in 1947
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blowing up crowded intersections filled with innocent people;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As started by Israeli terrorists in 1947
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Check your history. Both sides are guilty, but the Arabs started it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>PRIOR to 1947.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Start what, asshole?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Check your history, self-righteous bigot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You don't even know, murderous bigot. You just spew lie after lie and
>>>>>>>>>>expect people to accept your murderous hatred because of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Again, you just don't know history.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Again, you provide no facts to back up your claims.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The facts are a matter of world history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again, you provide no facts to back up your claims.
>>>>>
>>>>>World history, Ray.
>>>>
>>>>That's not a fact, idiot. That just a chickenshit evasion from a
>>>>dishonest coward.
>>>
>>>Except in the narrow worldview of a self-righteous bigot, name-calling
>>
>>Run along, coward. You just spew the usual hatred and vitriol at
>>anybody who dares to critize your deep hatred of Islam and you care
>>nothing for the facts.
>
>As everyone has come to know, every time Ray uses the words "run
>along" or "run away," they are followed by a baseless vile insult.

It's not baseless.

You hate Arabs and Muslims.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 12 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:34 am
From: Twibil

On Jan 23, 12:19 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

> You accuse people of being anti-semitic and nazis for daring to
> criticize Iraeli war crimes.

Er, only problem is that you just undercut anything else you might say
by labeling Israeli actions as "war crimes".

If you were spinning any harder for Hamas you'd be a lathe.

~Pete

== 13 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:35 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

>>>>>>Bull doze it and re-develop
>>>>>
>>>>>It may come to that if the Palestinians don't come to their senses and
>>>>>recognize Israel's right to exist and truly seek peace.
>>>>
>>>>Ethnic cleansing, in other words.
>>>
>>>Convenient that you can substitute words and pretend that those are
>>>the original words that were spoken.
>>
>>What YOU proposed/threatened is ethnic cleansing, and it because ever
>>more obvious that you like to accuse other people of holding views
>>that are really your own.
>
>I didn't propose or threaten anything.

Your words are still above. If the Palestinians don't grovel before
Israeli domination then they get erased.

> If you are referrring to
>"bull doze and redevelop," those weren't my words.

I was referring to your agreement with them.

> You really should
>work on your reading comprehension skills, Ray.

Back at you, bigot.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 14 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:36 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:10:32 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>On 21 Jan 2009 05:36:56 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 20 Jan 2009 08:05:37 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Because Likud believes in a Greater Israel and the Palestinians are in
>>>>>>>>the way. Because Israelis consider Arabs to be subhumans in the same
>>>>>>>>way that the nazis considered Jews to be subhumans and the S. Africans
>>>>>>>>considered blacks to be subhumans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You've just swallowed the propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the
>>>>>> realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear
>>>>>> expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the
>>>>>> Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense
>>>>>> of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will
>>>>>> continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will
>>>>>> prevent their uprooting.
>>>>>> http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections/knesset15/elikud_m.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>The West Bank was legally won in the Arab-Israeli war of 1967.
>>>>
>>>>That's a lie. It is NOT part of Israel. It is OCCUPIED territory.
>>>>
>>>>> It is
>>>>>just as much a part of Israel as California is a part of the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>Israel has never annexed the West Bank.
>>>
>>>So, Ray, I suppose you would agree that California, Arizona, New
>>
>>Quit whining, asshole. You are wrong yet again.
>
>In typical self-rightous bigoted style, you once again clip away all

You lied.

Quit making excuses.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 15 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:37 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:15:08 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>HEMI - Powered <none@none.supernews> wrote:
>>>Chris H added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
>>>
>>>>>Then you need to get a life and learn to do independent research
>>>>
>>>> I have. Including going to the ME. My parents have travelled in
>>>> Israel and Palestine. Your experience is?
>>>
>>>Sounds like you were more on a sight seeing tour than a fact
>>>finding mission as your thesis is ludicrous at best.
>>>
>>>My "experience" is precisely this: I think that ALL/ANY sovereign
>>>nations have the RIGHT to defend themselves against unwarranted
>>>attacks without resorting to bullshit arbitration by the
>>>international community,
>>
>>No you don't. You totally reject the Palestinian's right to do
>>anything of the sort.
>
>The Palestinians are NOT a sovereign nation.

How convenient doe you to make such an excuse.

Well then, according to you I supposed that the Palestinians have no
rights at all and the Israelis may do anything tht they please.

>The Palestinians are unfortunate pawns in the overall game of the Arab
>nations' desire to remove Israel from the map.

Pushing lies about Arabs doesn't help your credibility, bigot.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 16 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:39 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:43:49 +0000, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <fg1en41497p9gt5cqtol2cltets2e714ap@4ax.com>, Stephen Bishop
>><nospamplease@now.com> writes
>>>>>When have I blamed innocent people for crimes they didn't commit?
>>>>
>>>>When you accuse Palestinians of being terrorists.
>>>
>>>Many of them are. Do you deny this?
>>
>>Yes completely. VERY few are. Most are not.
>
>I agree completely.
>
>However, those very few are the ones who are making life incredibly
>difficult for the rest of them.

By forcing the Israelis to kill them?

>>Hamas is the legally elected
>>authority
>
>So the people in their frustration legally elected some terrorists to

Why aren't members of Likud also terorrists?

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

== 17 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:40 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:16:38 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>On 21 Jan 2009 05:42:05 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:39:35 +0000, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In message <b0abn4dntdmo59ivl9rm99alj31k0g03ak@4ax.com>, Stephen Bishop
>>>>>><nospamplease@now.com> writes
>>>>>>>When will you learn that baseless accusations and mindless
>>>>>>>name-calling merely reveal you to be a self-righteous bigot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Stephen your posting is doing Israel and Jews a huge disservice. By
>>>>>>completely ranting against reality and simply repeating propaganda you
>>>>>>devalue any good points you might make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Calm down and come back with a more balanced view and you might get some
>>>>>>where and not damage the reputation of those you are trying to promote.
>>>>>
>>>>>You have already said that the Jews are subhuman.
>>>>
>>>>That is a bald faced and evil lie.
>>>
>>>It's not a lie at all.
>>
>>Stop lying, you evil assole.
>
>Clipping away evidence

That's another lie, you evil bigot.

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Ray Fischer
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== 18 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:41 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The trouble is, you are the one making up the fictions,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Prove it, asshole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry Ray, you were the first to say I was making things up without
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So AGAIN you lie your sleazy ass off and then run away
>>>>>
>>>>>What lie,
>>>>
>>>>You made a claim: "you are the one making up the fictions"
>>>
>>>What a fool you are.
>>
>>Run away, coward.
>>
>>>>I demanded proof.
>>>>You ran away.
>>>
>>>I'm still here waiting for
>>
>>You're just a lying little coward.
>
>Excellent! You are in good form, clipping away the evidence of your

Where's YOUR evidence for YOUR claim? I say that you ae a liar.
Rather than prove me wrong you make excuses, run away, evade, and
shift the blame.

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Ray Fischer
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== 19 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:41 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:18:04 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>On 21 Jan 2009 05:47:00 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:40:21 +0000, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In message <d6abn4ludj4oc5u95h4k3snu8vvp7u8vq0@4ax.com>, Stephen Bishop
>>>>>><nospamplease@now.com> writes
>>>>>>>On 20 Jan 2009 08:12:39 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fact: This conflict was started by Hamas firing hundreds of rockets
>>>>>>>from Gaza into Israeli civilian areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That is wrong. Hamas started firing rockets at Israel in self defence
>>>>>>due to IDF war crimes and Israeli genocide. Hamas was a product of
>>>>>>Israeli actions.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. There is no genocide. Period. If there was, all Palestinians
>>>>>would be dead LONG ago.
>>>>
>>>>So either you're a holocaust denier or there are no Jews left in the
>>>>world.
>>>>
>>>>Which?
>>>>
>>>>>2. Firing rockets at civilians is NOT self-defense.
>>>>
>>>>Except when Israel does it.
>>>
>>>All you are doing is justifying war crimes
>>
>>No, nazi turd: YOU are the one defending war crimes. I'm the one
>>condemning them. YOU are the one excusing Israel firing rockets that
>>kill civilians.
>
>I don't think anyone can expect a lying self-righteous bigot like

And so the murderous bigot again changes the subject.

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Ray Fischer
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== 20 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:42 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>On 22 Jan 2009 04:18:47 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>> rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 20 Jan 2009 18:30:57 GMT, rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stephen Bishop <nospamplease@now.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Fact: This conflict was started by Hamas firing hundreds of rockets
>>>>>>>from Gaza into Israeli civilian areas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're lying outright. This conflict was started when Israel AGAIN
>>>>>>assassinated people in Gaza during a supposed cease-fire. The
>>>>>>cease-fire was violated when Israel waged war against the people of
>>>>>>Gaza by imposing a near total blockade, imposing near starvation upon
>>>>>>a million people.
>>>>>
>>>>>Firing rockets randomly at civilians is not a proper response to
>>>>>military operations
>>>>
>>>>As YOU stated, in war there are sometimes casualities.
>>>
>>>That has nothing whatsoever with deliberately targeting residential
>>>areas
>>
>>Like the Israelis have done and which you excuse because you're a
>>bigot who always blames Muslims.
>
>Funny how again you clip away the relevent conversation

Do you always run away by lying and blaming others?

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Ray Fischer
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== 21 of 21 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:43 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

Twibil <nowayjose6@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 23, 12:19 am, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
>
>> You accuse people of being anti-semitic and nazis for daring to
>> criticize Iraeli war crimes.
>
>Er, only problem is that you just undercut anything else you might say
>by labeling Israeli actions as "war crimes".

I'm not the only one. Amnesty International and the United Nations
are doing likewise.

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Ray Fischer
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TOPIC: End of an era
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/6d3123b0af4291a9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:20 am
From: Ron Hunter

Chris Malcolm wrote:
> David J. Littleboy <davidjl@gol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Andrew Koenig" <ark@acm.org> wrote:
>>> I was at my local supermarket a few days ago. It's a branch of a chain
>>> with more than 400 stores.
>>>
>>> In the window was a sign saying that after January 29, they will no longer
>>> process film.
>
>> How much film did you have them process in the last year? I'd guess none.
>> I've shot maybe 2 or 3 rolls (of 6x7) since the 5D arrived here 3 years ago.
>
>> I'm surprised it took this long. One thing I noticed over here was that the
>> quality of snapshots ordinary people around me were getting went way up when
>> they started using the 2 and 3MP consumer dcams. I assume that the ability
>> to check the images immediately meant that most people figured out how to
>> take decently exposed and focused shots.
>
> By the time the good 3MP consumer cams arrived the autofocus and
> autoexposure systems were good enough to be a lot better than most
> people could do manually, if the camera even allowed them to use
> manual. In fact there are some DSLR users around today determinedly
> using manual mode because that's what the top guys use for top
> quality, none of this wimping out with P&S auto mode, but who aren't
> producing as good basic technical quality as the camera could if left
> to do it all on auto.
>
Auto-focus, in a good camera, is very good indeed. Even P&S cameras do
the job much faster than most people could do it manually. Still, when
you want to focus on something farther away, or closer in, than the
auto-focus wants to lock onto, one needs to either manually focus, or
'cheat' the auto-focus. The same applies to aperture settings. I
suspect that most DSLR users just set their camera to 'auto' until they
encounter a situation that requires human intervention.

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TOPIC: DSLR & SD cards - does speed matter
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/0675e3906da764aa?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 23 2009 12:26 am
From: Ron Hunter

ps56k wrote:
> I was doing some reading on flash drives,
> and came across some info regarding different speeds/performance of flash
> cards
> when used with digital cameras - ie, higher end DSLR
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card
>
> I was wondering if you have tried or noticed any shoot & save speed
> differences
> when using different "speed" cards - not size, but "class" ?
>
> ---
> SDHC cards adhere to the SD Speed Class Rating specification
> which defines a minimum sustained transfer speed and use the FAT32 file
> system.
>
> The SD Speed Class Ratings specify a minimum sustained write speed for SDHC
> cards:
> Class 2: 2 MB/s;
> Class 4: 4 MB/s;
> Class 6: 6 MB/s;
>
> ----------------------------------
> "If everything seems to be going well,
> you have obviously overlooked something." - Steven Wright
>
>
The problem is that if the camera is slower than the card, a faster card
will not make the camera any faster. If the camera is faster than the
card, then a faster card WILL result in faster saving. How to know?
Try before you buy if possible.