Thursday, November 20, 2008

alt.graphics.photoshop - 25 new messages in 5 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Adobe soups up Photoshop with Pixel Bender (cnet.com.au) - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/e36790bb733abd6f?hl=en
* Weird Font Issue - 19 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/01e12ce63fbb5ac6?hl=en
* Color Tint - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/c80affa8b752b6b6?hl=en
* Scale Effects -answer - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/b44521f8767352dc?hl=en
* Terxt to a curved shape - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/7207f0c2385ffaf7?hl=en

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TOPIC: Adobe soups up Photoshop with Pixel Bender (cnet.com.au)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/e36790bb733abd6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 19 2008 11:23 pm
From: Jurgen


admin@ng2000.com wrote in news:398968183111193.Post@ithinknot.net:

> http://www.ng2000.com/blog/2008/11/10/adobe-photoshop/


How much revenue does that spam site generate for you?

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TOPIC: Weird Font Issue
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/01e12ce63fbb5ac6?hl=en
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== 1 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 12:33 am
From: "Gummo"


"Jurgen" <Jurgen_haus@ezilon.com> wrote in message
news:6ohflcF3lksjU3@mid.individual.net...

> I would just like to point out it is bad Kama to post HTML messages to
> textural news groups..... >

Thank heavens we survived the bad Kama.

>because you did, are unlikely to get an answer.

I'm surprised you're wrong.

Gummo


== 2 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 12:34 am
From: "Gummo"


"Dave" <dave@durbs.sa> wrote in message
news:u7e7i4p7bd8341hjhe6sqokdd4qrnohig1@4ax.com...

> Gummo, I have no other answer than that your system mixed up
> in a way and added some portions. I doubt whether you'll
> duplicate it. Computers sometimes do funny things:-)
>

Thanks anyway, Dave for proving Jurgen wrong, at least.

Gummo


== 3 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 12:38 am
From: "Gummo"


"John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UeSdnXdxpJe6obnUnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...

> Gummo- Sometimes fonts with the same name are in fact different. Are you
> sure the same subversion is being used?

John, thanks for your time. I put the question to
http://www.bowfinprintworks.com/FontSpotting.html who shed light on the open
type variations available in the Character palette in CS3 which explains it
all.

Gummo


== 4 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 12:39 am
From: "Gummo"


"KatWoman" <JolieSPAMPrincessSPAMKatana@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8jYUk.67471$De7.33102@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

> look at the font in character palette and see if there are variations for
> each letter

Kat - you're correct. Thanks very much for your help.

Gummo


== 5 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 12:41 am
From: "Gummo"


"Fred" <jabba@dabba.doo> wrote in message
news:FH_Uk.113597$5L2.29980@newsfe12.ams2...

> When you select the texttool, open the character panel.

Yes Fred - you're also correct and very helpful. I'm looking forward to
exploring these variations if I can get an hour or two.

Thanks very much for your time.

Gummo


== 6 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 1:15 am
From: "Fred"


> It's funny John, I did receive said post
> exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.
> It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,
> but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.
> Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)
> 'till later
>

It's called 'Rich Text', Dave, a crossbreed between Plain and HTML

== 7 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 1:29 am
From: Dave


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:51:23 -0800, John McWilliams
>>>
>>> Note, this post is in plain text, but with an active link to an html
>>> page. The OP was an html post, also with a link.
>>
>>
>> LOL... you are sharp:-)
>> It's funny John, I did receive said post
>> exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.
>> It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,
>> but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.
>> Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)
>> 'till later
>
>Indeed, Dave, it's all good. Mas o menos!
>
>IAE, your news client probably displayed it so it looked like any other
>plain text message; not so on my reader. The key, though is in the
>headers- it pretty much has to say "plain text", or it's one of several
>dozen mixed or html hybrids. Not sure how FA shows headers when asked.
>
>Also, the question re the photo was genuine, or was that just to
>illustrate linkage?


the question about the photo, I was teasing, John.
and done with a broad smile....o
BTW, it is not a photo but a painting done in Corel Painter.
in a (closed) Painter forum. Thanks for the compliment:-)


== 8 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 1:43 am
From: Dave


On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0100, "Fred" <jabba@dabba.doo> wrote:

>> It's funny John, I did receive said post
>> exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.
>> It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,
>> but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.
>> Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)
>> 'till later
>>
>
>It's called 'Rich Text', Dave, a crossbreed between Plain and HTML

But Fred, I have never seen News Groups displaying Rich Text.
And I am using Rich Text since early September 1903.
With Rich Text, fonts sizes can be varied and sentences can be
underlined, which I would sometimes love to do, but here it keep on
being plain text.

== 9 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 1:47 am
From: Dave


On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:34:05 -0000, "Gummo"
>>
>
>Thanks anyway, Dave for proving Jurgen wrong, at least.
>
>Gummo
>

You are welcome, Gummo.
Why don't you explain from what and how you posted the message
that caused the commotion?


== 10 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 8:01 am
From: tony cooper


On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:51:23 -0800, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

>Also, the question re the photo was genuine, or was that just to
>illustrate linkage?

I've seen Dave's work before. He's a very accomplished photo painter.
I think he works in Corel's program. His stuff is much, much more
than rendering a photo into a painting-like result by using Photoshop
filters.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida


== 11 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 8:39 am
From: John McWilliams


Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0100, "Fred" <jabba@dabba.doo> wrote:
>
>>> It's funny John, I did receive said post
>>> exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.
>>> It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,
>>> but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.
>>> Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)
>>> 'till later
>>>
>> It's called 'Rich Text', Dave, a crossbreed between Plain and HTML
>
> But Fred, I have never seen News Groups displaying Rich Text.
> And I am using Rich Text since early September 1903.
> With Rich Text, fonts sizes can be varied and sentences can be
> underlined, which I would sometimes love to do, but here it keep on
> being plain text.
>
Well, you are much older than I thought!

It's probably a setting in your newsclient that renders html and 'rich
text' as plain.

A previous version of Thunderbird allowed one to set the reply according
to the source.

IAE, I don't view the occasional posting with an html tag as an heinous
crime.
--
john mcwilliams


== 12 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 8:44 am
From: John McWilliams



John McWilliams wrote:
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0100, "Fred"
<jabba@dabba.doo> <mailto:jabba@dabba.doo> wrote:



It's funny John, I did receive said post

exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.

It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,

but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.

Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)

'till later


It's called 'Rich Text', Dave, a crossbreed between Plain and HTML


But Fred, I have never seen News Groups displaying Rich Text.

And I am using Rich Text  since early September 1903.

With Rich Text, fonts sizes can be varied and sentences can be

underlined, which I would sometimes love to do, but here it keep on

being plain text.


Well, you are much older than I thought!


It's probably a setting in your newsclient that renders html and 'rich
text' as plain.


A previous version of Thunderbird allowed one to set the reply
according to the source.


IAE, I don't view the occasional posting with an html tag as an heinous
crime.

Here, now is an html posting; I had to change the settings to always
reply in html, not so good for NGs.

But I am going to use but two
props: Size and color on the remainder of the post. It'll be red and
large for those whose readers "honor" the html attributes, and black
and regular for those whose don't.

--
John McWilliams
I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm
not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.


== 13 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 8:58 am
From: "Gummo"


"Dave" <dave@durbs.sa> wrote in message
news:abcai4p09ie1hhlqmvq7g1rs4qr26ggop1@4ax.com...

> Why don't you explain from what and how you posted the message
> that caused the commotion?

Outlook Express, Dave.

Gummo


== 14 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 9:37 am
From: Dave


On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:01:21 -0500, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:51:23 -0800, John McWilliams
><jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Also, the question re the photo was genuine, or was that just to
>>illustrate linkage?
>
>I've seen Dave's work before. He's a very accomplished photo painter.
>I think he works in Corel's program. His stuff is much, much more
>than rendering a photo into a painting-like result by using Photoshop
>filters.

The kind of words which is motivation for me
...thanks for the compliment, Tony..!

said by Dave taking off his plumed hat

== 15 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 9:45 am
From: Dave


On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:39:13 -0800, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

>Dave wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0100, "Fred" <jabba@dabba.doo> wrote:
>>
>>>> It's funny John, I did receive said post
>>>> exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.
>>>> It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,
>>>> but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.
>>>> Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)
>>>> 'till later
>>>>
>>> It's called 'Rich Text', Dave, a crossbreed between Plain and HTML
>>
>> But Fred, I have never seen News Groups displaying Rich Text.
>> And I am using Rich Text since early September 1903.
>> With Rich Text, fonts sizes can be varied and sentences can be
>> underlined, which I would sometimes love to do, but here it keep on
>> being plain text.
>>
>Well, you are much older than I thought!
>
>It's probably a setting in your newsclient that renders html and 'rich
>text' as plain.
>
>A previous version of Thunderbird allowed one to set the reply according
>to the source.
>
>IAE, I don't view the occasional posting with an html tag as an heinous
>crime.
> --
>john mcwilliams


Must be. This afternoon I tried posting the headers but something in
it made Agent deciding against it.


== 16 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 9:59 am
From: Dave


On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:58:43 -0000, "Gummo"
<gummomarxPLEASENOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Dave" <dave@durbs.sa> wrote in message
>news:abcai4p09ie1hhlqmvq7g1rs4qr26ggop1@4ax.com...
>
>> Why don't you explain from what and how you posted the message
>> that caused the commotion?
>
>Outlook Express, Dave.
>
>Gummo
>

I sure many more posters are using Outlook Express, Gummo.
Obviously this is what you used here as well.
I'm glad your problem with the fonts are solved.
KatWoman came to the rescue of many more a problem.

Subject: Re: Weird Font Issue
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X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
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X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original


== 17 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 10:15 am
From: "Gummo"


"Dave" <dave@durbs.sa> wrote in message
news:ei8bi4pei4sq5unpf443sh7d96nhh4bbam@4ax.com...

> I'm glad your problem with the fonts are solved.
> KatWoman came to the rescue of many more a problem.

Thanks very much.

Gummo


== 18 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 11:19 am
From: "KatWoman"


I can see the HTML cause I have it set to accept that in IE

but to reply it will warn me before sending to change back to plain text
for this group (it pops a warning box saying approve to send as HTML or
change to plain text)
it is a binary group only plain text allowed
"John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rMidndGyg75BDrjUnZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@comcast.com...
John McWilliams wrote:
Dave wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:15:48 +0100, "Fred" <jabba@dabba.doo> wrote:


It's funny John, I did receive said post
exactly the same as this, plain text with a link.
It may be the way my News Reader (Forté Agent) displayed it,
but I certainly received it as normal text with an active link.
Never mind, we have lots more to share than to differ about:-)
'till later


It's called 'Rich Text', Dave, a crossbreed between Plain and HTML

But Fred, I have never seen News Groups displaying Rich Text.
And I am using Rich Text since early September 1903.
With Rich Text, fonts sizes can be varied and sentences can be
underlined, which I would sometimes love to do, but here it keep on
being plain text.


Well, you are much older than I thought!

It's probably a setting in your newsclient that renders html and 'rich text'
as plain.

A previous version of Thunderbird allowed one to set the reply according to
the source.

IAE, I don't view the occasional posting with an html tag as an heinous
crime.


Here, now is an html posting; I had to change the settings to always reply
in html, not so good for NGs.

But I am going to use but two props: Size and color on the remainder of the
post. It'll be red and large for those whose readers "honor" the html
attributes, and black and regular for those whose don't.

--
John McWilliams
I know that you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.


== 19 of 19 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 11:25 am
From: "KatWoman"

"Gummo" <gummomarxPLEASENOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yn9Vk.987$0z6.401@newsfe03.ams2...
> "KatWoman" <JolieSPAMPrincessSPAMKatana@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8jYUk.67471$De7.33102@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
>> look at the font in character palette and see if there are variations for
>> each letter
>
> Kat - you're correct. Thanks very much for your help.
>
> Gummo
you are very welcome

took me forever to realize there even was a character palette, and find all
the options for type layout in it.
I thought all the text options were up top in the bar, and thought I had to
use Illy or other layout program to get more sophisticated choices, like
spacing kerning

good to know as well>>you can use the transform tool on text without
rasterizing (still editable)

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TOPIC: Color Tint
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/c80affa8b752b6b6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 2:12 am
From: "Steve"


"Chell" <Michelle.Drag@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8640d6a1-7251-4452-ac92-0401da5ae4b9@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> How do I add tints of color to a black and white image?

Assuming Photoshop.....
Make sure you're working in 8-bit mode with your B&W image.
Then: Image/Mode/Duotone.
You get the choice of Mono, Duo, Tri or Quadtone in the pop-up window and
you can play with the hue and levels for each.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 8:33 am
From: Joel


"Steve" <steve@DELETEMEFIRSTzord.co.uk> wrote:

> "Chell" <Michelle.Drag@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8640d6a1-7251-4452-ac92-0401da5ae4b9@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> > How do I add tints of color to a black and white image?
>
> Assuming Photoshop.....
> Make sure you're working in 8-bit mode with your B&W image.
> Then: Image/Mode/Duotone.
> You get the choice of Mono, Duo, Tri or Quadtone in the pop-up window and
> you can play with the hue and levels for each.

I think you are right on this one here. I do remember Duotone and similar
features of CS2, but I have only read and seen video tutorial but not tried
myself to be able to share the personal experience.

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TOPIC: Scale Effects -answer
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/b44521f8767352dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 9:53 am
From: Joel


"KatWoman" <JolieSPAMPrincessSPAMKatana@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:8EZUk.5178$Lv6.2078@bignews8.bellsouth.net:

> someone asked the other day why PS does not scale effects on the fly
> when you change font sizes
>
> and it may not do this within the file itself when changing the text
>
> but if you use IMAGE SIZE to resize the entire image
> there is an option box for SCALE effects too
>

I do not have flies so am not certain for sure about scale effects on the
fly, but I am pretty sure that flies have wings and not scales.
But if you GOOGLE for it, you can learn <bg>

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TOPIC: Terxt to a curved shape
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/7207f0c2385ffaf7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 9:59 am
From: Joel


Jurgen <Jurgen_haus@ezilon.com> wrote in news:6o6krrF266mqU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Could someone give me starting pointer on how to get a line of text to
> snap to a curve please?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> JH
>

Well I have no idea what I am talking about but I will give you my half
baked opinion anyway because it make me feel clever and important <bg>
I think you can make text follow a curve if you bend your monitor. But be
carefull screen does not break. Warm it up in microwave first or soak it in
bath to make it soft so it does not break.
Or you can always GOOGLE to learn more.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 20 2008 11:12 am
From: "KatWoman"

"Joel" <Joel@LoadsaSpam.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B5CB718DAEFAJoelisafool@194.177.96.78...
> Jurgen <Jurgen_haus@ezilon.com> wrote in news:6o6krrF266mqU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> Could someone give me starting pointer on how to get a line of text to
>> snap to a curve please?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> JH
>>
>
> Well I have no idea what I am talking about but I will give you my half
> baked opinion anyway because it make me feel clever and important <bg>
> I think you can make text follow a curve if you bend your monitor. But be
> carefull screen does not break. Warm it up in microwave first or soak it
> in
> bath to make it soft so it does not break.
> Or you can always GOOGLE to learn more.

Joel - "I have no idea what I am talking about"

quote of the day


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