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* wear from 1/4 Whitworth versus 1/4 UNC - 1 messages, 1 author
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* grim news for photographers tourism and rights - 6 messages, 3 authors
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* The Shot Seen 'Round the World - 8 messages, 5 authors
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* Slide to digital conversion - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Correct name for "pinhole lens" used in covert cameras? - 3 messages, 3
authors
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* low light movie works better than low light still photos why? - 3 messages,
2 authors
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* A newbie request help selecting digital camera - 1 messages, 1 author
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* bust LCD screen - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: wear from 1/4 Whitworth versus 1/4 UNC
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/c88b466b5bf2732c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:11 pm
From: Rob Morley
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:09:30 +0100
"michael adams" <mjadams25@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> "Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:20090613181319.2183229c@bluemoon...
> > I don't think you understand the difference between thread pitch and
> > thread angle.
>
> The thread angle is the angle of the sides of each thread against the
> centre line of the bolt. As in the angles of a pyramid etc. The pitch
> is the number of threads per inch or cm.
The angles of a pyramid as seen from where - plan, elevation, normal to
a face?
>
> Although admittedly as the bolt is being threaded one thread at a time
> rather than all at once the disparity doesn't increase as stated
> above. I don't know where that came from.
That was the bit that particularly confused me.
>
> Mixing threads may be OK for a one-off lash-up, but not where a
> camera may be subsequently used on a standard Whitworth tripod head.
>
It depends on the sort of damage (if any) that might be caused. A
plastic thread may be worn or broken, an aluminium thread may be
deformed, and any of these may be a show stopper or negligible depending
on degree.
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TOPIC: grim news for photographers tourism and rights
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f739094ebddaa70e?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:23 pm
From: tony cooper
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:21:27 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
>In article <4oh8351bgnp0ars2iiol3qirjt52m15npf@4ax.com>, tony cooper
><tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't care what we went over, and I didn't say if the arrest was
>> justified or not. I think the guy was a stubborn idiot and brought an
>> avoidable problem on himself.
>
>stubborn idiots have constitutional rights too. as i said previously,
>he did nothing wrong and the entire episode was the fault of the guards
>and the police who apparently lack a basic understanding of the laws in
>washington state.
>
>once again, he *can't* be legally arrested for refusing to provide id.
>period.
>
>> If someone wants to take a stance to make a point about something they
>> believe in, that's commendable. But do it over something important.
>> If all they want is blog-fodder and a chance to appear on local
>> television, screw 'em.
>
>do you really think he planned to market t-shirts by setting out to
>shop at rei, then take a photo of an atm and subsequently getting
>arrested?? that's crazy.
No, I don't think he is bright enough to plan than far ahead.
>> Becker's website has been updated. He's now bragging about how big
>> iTunes library is: "If you're in Portland, @ me and we can hang out.
>> 1 hour ago # Oh man, I just re-found Tsunami Bomb. I used to listen to
>> this record tons in Salt Lake City. 3 hours ago # Somehow my iTunes
>> library is 103 GB. Giga wha? Giga who. I'm trimming it down. My goal
>> is under 50 jiggabytes. 5 hours ago # If you didn't know and do care,
>> facebook lets you set a user name now."
>
>what does that have to do with anything?
It pretty much demonstrates his thought process. He regards the size
of his iTunes library to be greater in importance to the incident at
rei. He's given his twitter-twaddle a larger, bolder typeface than he
gave his "updates". (Remember, he's a "typophile") His Facebook hits
are now more important to him than his personal freedoms.
>> This is not the profile of a patriot or a defender of Constitutional
>> rights. It's the profile of someone who will go down in history as
>> "Shane who?". Pick better heroes, "nospam".
>
>what's the profile of a patriot or a defender of constitutional rights?
>is there something about that which precludes having large itunes
>libraries?
>
>> Does my attitude bother you? Do you think it bothers me that it does?
>
>what bothers me is your lack of understanding of constitutional rights.
>unfortunately, there are many who don't understand them, particularly
>those in positions of power and who should know better.
You know what bothers me? People who think - demand, even - that
everyone should think and act they way they do. People who get their
knickers in a twist because other people don't react to something
exactly the way they do. People who natter away about Constitutional
rights, but ignore the precepts of the First Amendment right to free
speech and the implied right to a dissenting opinion.
It bothers me that you confuse my lack of interest in this guy's
plight with a lack of understanding of Constitutional rights. I
*understand* the right involved, I just don't care in this case.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 8:08 pm
From: floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson)
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:35:31 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <9yWYl.13220$im1.12307@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, Paul Furman
>><paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote:
>>
>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>> > The Becker incident
>>>
>>> What's that?
>>
>>shane becker who recently took a photo of an atm in seattle and was
>>subsequently falsely arrested for asserting his constitutional rights.
>
>Or, a guy who thought it his day was better spent in jail rather than
>produce an ID, depending on your point of view. Actually, from
>Becker's point of view, things turned out well. He got his five
>minutes of fame on the news and on interview shows, he got to promote
>his tee shirts, and something finally happened to him where someone
>paid attention to him.
It perhaps didn't make the news in your small world
Tony, but lets be sure that you do hear the rest of it.
The complaint by many here has been about the poor level
of competence demonstrated by the Seattle Police and the
Loomis guards involved in this particular incident. You
seem to think that is not significant when it leads to
harassing a law abiding citizen.
But there is another side of that story too, because
incompetent guards who base actions on how big their ego
is also do not see and react to real problems.
On June 2nd, just after the discussion here about the
REI incident there was another incident only a few miles
away from the Seattle REI, this time in the customer
service area of a Wal-Mart in Lakewood WN (a suburb of
south Tacoma). A Loomis guard was shot dead, a
bystander was wounded, and the robbers grabbed money
bags and escaped. (They have since been caught.)
Incompetency is costly. Ask that guard's family. Ask
Becker too...
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 8:37 pm
From: floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson)
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>It bothers me that you confuse my lack of interest in this guy's
>plight with a lack of understanding of Constitutional rights. I
>*understand* the right involved, I just don't care in this case.
Then you clearly do not understand the significance of
"Constitutional rights". If this case is of no concern,
neither will *your* case...
"There will be justice in Athens when those who are
not injured are as outraged as those who are."
---- Demosthenes (Greek from Athens)
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@apaflo.com
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:46 pm
From: tony cooper
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:08:22 -0800, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:
>tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:35:31 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In article <9yWYl.13220$im1.12307@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, Paul Furman
>>><paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> tony cooper wrote:
>>>> > The Becker incident
>>>>
>>>> What's that?
>>>
>>>shane becker who recently took a photo of an atm in seattle and was
>>>subsequently falsely arrested for asserting his constitutional rights.
>>
>>Or, a guy who thought it his day was better spent in jail rather than
>>produce an ID, depending on your point of view. Actually, from
>>Becker's point of view, things turned out well. He got his five
>>minutes of fame on the news and on interview shows, he got to promote
>>his tee shirts, and something finally happened to him where someone
>>paid attention to him.
>
>It perhaps didn't make the news in your small world
>Tony, but lets be sure that you do hear the rest of it.
>
>The complaint by many here has been about the poor level
>of competence demonstrated by the Seattle Police and the
>Loomis guards involved in this particular incident. You
>seem to think that is not significant when it leads to
>harassing a law abiding citizen.
>
>But there is another side of that story too, because
>incompetent guards who base actions on how big their ego
>is also do not see and react to real problems.
>
>On June 2nd, just after the discussion here about the
>REI incident there was another incident only a few miles
>away from the Seattle REI, this time in the customer
>service area of a Wal-Mart in Lakewood WN
WA
>(a suburb of
>south Tacoma). A Loomis guard was shot dead, a
>bystander was wounded, and the robbers grabbed money
>bags and escaped. (They have since been caught.)
>
>Incompetency is costly. Ask that guard's family. Ask
>Becker too...
Floyd, I don't have the slightest idea of what point you are making.
You really need to work on presenting your thoughts in an
understandable manner.
What was the incompetency shown by the Loomis guard in the rei in
Seattle? Are you saying that a Loomis guard being concerned about
someone photographing him in the act of filling an ATM with cash is an
act of incompetence? As far as I can tell from the news article, the
Loomis guard did not call the police. Some store official did after
the incident escalated when the rei security people got involved.
What was the act of incompetence or egotistical behavior of the Loomis
guard at the Wal-Mart? Here's the story:
http://www.komonews.com/news/46744697.html Please point out what he
did that was incompetent or the result of his "big ego"? As I read
the article, the two men walked up to the guard and one of them shot
him.
Is there another report that mentions some indication of the intent of
the two men that the guard missed and caused him to not see or react
to the problem? A second story says "He had no chance to defend
himself," ... "It happened too quick."
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/764728.html
Admittedly, I live in Orlando and there is a Small World not that far
from me. Is Barrow, Alaska so much bigger a world that you receive
some information not released to the rest of us? On what do you base
your statements?
Possibly this is another instance of your lack of understanding of the
meaning of words. I understand "incompetence", when it is applied to
job performance, to mean the inability to perform the job adequately.
Is being shot without warning by a robber an indication of inability
to perform one's job? Do you consider the murder of a guard, a
policeman, a soldier, or even a store clerk who is shot without
warning to be incompetence on their part or a result of their egos?
If so, a lot of incompetent, egotistical soldiers are being shipped
home in body bags.
It seems to me that the incident in the Wal-Mart makes the point that
Loomis guards should be concerned about the dangers of being in charge
of sums of money and that the Loomis guard in rei was doing the
competent thing by paying attention to Becker's actions.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:50 pm
From: tony cooper
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:37:05 -0800, floyd@apaflo.com (Floyd L.
Davidson) wrote:
>tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>It bothers me that you confuse my lack of interest in this guy's
>>plight with a lack of understanding of Constitutional rights. I
>>*understand* the right involved, I just don't care in this case.
>
>Then you clearly do not understand the significance of
>"Constitutional rights". If this case is of no concern,
>neither will *your* case...
My case will not include contributory negligence of common sense.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 10:10 pm
From: nospam
In article <3jr8351rn6f24a01snh9h3k1sthr8tps67@4ax.com>, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What was the incompetency shown by the Loomis guard in the rei in
> Seattle?
by not knowing that photography is not illegal and not knowing that
they had no authority to demand id or call the cops for when no crime
had been committed. they really should know better.
> Are you saying that a Loomis guard being concerned about
> someone photographing him in the act of filling an ATM with cash is an
> act of incompetence?
concerned is fine. harassing someone is not.
> As far as I can tell from the news article, the
> Loomis guard did not call the police. Some store official did after
> the incident escalated when the rei security people got involved.
the end result was the same.
> What was the act of incompetence or egotistical behavior of the Loomis
> guard at the Wal-Mart? Here's the story:
> http://www.komonews.com/news/46744697.html Please point out what he
> did that was incompetent or the result of his "big ego"? As I read
> the article, the two men walked up to the guard and one of them shot
> him.
they failed to protect the cash they were carrying.
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TOPIC: The Shot Seen 'Round the World
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:34 pm
From: Robert Coe
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
: In message <250106fb-48d5-4568-9929-b61247c183be@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
: .com>, Rich <rander3127@gmail.com> writes
: >On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <cau...@22.com> wrote:
: >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html?mod=googlenew...
: >>
: >> Finally, and none too soon!
: >
: >Baseball?
:
: Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised world.
:
: > I thought someone had a picture of the assassination of
: >Archduke Ferdinand.
:
: Quite...
:
: Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of interest in
: the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local interest.
You don't say. Actually, it's quite possible that there are more baseball fans
in Japan than there are soccer fans in England.
Bob
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:43 pm
From: Robert Coe
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:24:53 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net>
wrote:
: Chris H wrote:
: > In message <dij735tmvt0gkja63of5pqmdi538udspbl@4ax.com>, tony cooper
: > <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> writes
: >> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>> In message
: >>> <250106fb-48d5-4568-9929-b61247c183be@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
: >>> .com>, Rich <rander3127@gmail.com> writes
: >>>> On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <cau...@22.com> wrote:
: >>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html?mod=googlenew...
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Finally, and none too soon!
: >>>>
: >>>> Baseball?
: >>>
: >>> Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised
: >>> world.
: >>
: >> Not just in the civilized world. I think the game is called
: >> "rounders" in the UK, too.
: >
: > :-)
: >
: >>
: >>> Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of
: >>> interest in the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local
: >>> interest.
: >>
: >> You've not heard of Japan?
: >
: > OK so 2 countries..
:
: Guess you haven't heard of Cuba either. Commies they may be, but they love
: "beisbol".
:
: >>> The problem is that Americans think that things that are important
: >>> only to Americans are of global significance.
: >>
: >> The _Wall Street Journal_, the source of the article, is an American
: >> publication. It's quite natural for an American publication to
: >> contain articles of interest to Americans. It's quite possible that
: >> "The Grauniad" carries articles of interest only to Brits.
: >
: > It does but it does not make them out to have global significance
: > "the shot seen around the world" as long as "the world" is mainland
: > USA.
Not just Cuba, but several other Latin American countries. La República
Dominicana, por ejemplo, is a hotbed of béisbol interest.
And (to a somewhat lesser extent) Canada, despite Rich's smartass remark.
Bob
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:54 pm
From: Robert Coe
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:00:54 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
wrote:
: On 2009-06-13 07:55:33 -0700, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> said:
:
: > In message <250106fb-48d5-4568-9929-b61247c183be@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
: > .com>, Rich <rander3127@gmail.com> writes
: >> On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <cau...@22.com> wrote:
: >>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html?mod=googlenew...
: >>>
: >>> Finally, and none too soon!
: >>
: >> Baseball?
: >
: > Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised world.
: >
: >> I thought someone had a picture of the assassination of
: >> Archduke Ferdinand.
: >
: > Quite...
: >
: > Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of interest in
: > the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local interest.
: >
: > The problem is that Americans think that things that are important only
: > to Americans are of global significance.
:
: Bear in mind baseball & Softball are now Olympic sports, ...
Are you sure about that? Maybe softball still is (for women only, I believe),
but I think baseball has been dropped.
Bob
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 8:27 pm
From: tony cooper
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:34:11 -0400, Robert Coe <bob@1776.COM> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote:
>: In message <250106fb-48d5-4568-9929-b61247c183be@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
>: .com>, Rich <rander3127@gmail.com> writes
>: >On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <cau...@22.com> wrote:
>: >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html?mod=googlenew...
>: >>
>: >> Finally, and none too soon!
>: >
>: >Baseball?
>:
>: Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised world.
>:
>: > I thought someone had a picture of the assassination of
>: >Archduke Ferdinand.
>:
>: Quite...
>:
>: Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of interest in
>: the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local interest.
>
>You don't say. Actually, it's quite possible that there are more baseball fans
>in Japan than there are soccer fans in England.
I've never heard of any "baseball hooligans" in Japan.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 8:50 pm
From: Bob Larter
tony cooper wrote:
> The British media have other priorities. BBC feels that women with
> large breasts are far more deserving of coverage than a baseball game.
Sounds reasonable to me. ;^)
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:26 pm
From: ASAAR
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:50:12 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:
>> The British media have other priorities. BBC feels that women with
>> large breasts are far more deserving of coverage than a baseball game.
>
> Sounds reasonable to me. ;^)
It's not that different in the USA, whether baseball or basketball.
Morganna the Kissing Bandit
http://www.seattlepi.com/allstar/30130_morganna06.shtml
Busty Heart (Celtics)
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:41 pm
From: tony cooper
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:43:43 -0400, Robert Coe <bob@1776.COM> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:24:53 -0400, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net>
>wrote:
>: Chris H wrote:
>: > In message <dij735tmvt0gkja63of5pqmdi538udspbl@4ax.com>, tony cooper
>: > <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> writes
>: >> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>: >> wrote:
>: >>
>: >>> In message
>: >>> <250106fb-48d5-4568-9929-b61247c183be@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
>: >>> .com>, Rich <rander3127@gmail.com> writes
>: >>>> On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <cau...@22.com> wrote:
>: >>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html?mod=googlenew...
>: >>>>>
>: >>>>> Finally, and none too soon!
>: >>>>
>: >>>> Baseball?
>: >>>
>: >>> Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised
>: >>> world.
>: >>
>: >> Not just in the civilized world. I think the game is called
>: >> "rounders" in the UK, too.
>: >
>: > :-)
>: >
>: >>
>: >>> Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of
>: >>> interest in the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local
>: >>> interest.
>: >>
>: >> You've not heard of Japan?
>: >
>: > OK so 2 countries..
>:
>: Guess you haven't heard of Cuba either. Commies they may be, but they love
>: "beisbol".
>:
>: >>> The problem is that Americans think that things that are important
>: >>> only to Americans are of global significance.
>: >>
>: >> The _Wall Street Journal_, the source of the article, is an American
>: >> publication. It's quite natural for an American publication to
>: >> contain articles of interest to Americans. It's quite possible that
>: >> "The Grauniad" carries articles of interest only to Brits.
>: >
>: > It does but it does not make them out to have global significance
>: > "the shot seen around the world" as long as "the world" is mainland
>: > USA.
>
>Not just Cuba, but several other Latin American countries. La República
>Dominicana, por ejemplo, is a hotbed of béisbol interest.
>
>And (to a somewhat lesser extent) Canada, despite Rich's smartass remark.
Actually, this was a shot "seen round the world". Even in 1951, there
were Americans who avidly followed baseball living and working in all
corners of the globe. There was a large group of Americans spending
some time in Korea in 1951. There's no claim that the (photograph)
shot was of interest to anyone but Americans, but the claim of it
being seen 'round the world is valid.
The line is misquoted, though, since the term is the "Shot heard
'round the world" based on a line in a poem by Ralph Waldo Emerson.
The misquotation is a deliberate play on words, but the original usage
regarding the photograph was "heard" because it described Bobby
Thompson's home run hit. A "shot" is a slang term for a home run or a
photograph. Still is to this day:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090604&content_id=5141520&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:45 pm
From: "J. Clarke"
tony cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:34:11 -0400, Robert Coe <bob@1776.COM> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:55:33 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>> wrote:
>>> In message
>>> <250106fb-48d5-4568-9929-b61247c183be@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups
>>> .com>, Rich <rander3127@gmail.com> writes
>>>> On Jun 10, 9:02 pm, ASAAR <cau...@22.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124424737510590641.html?mod=googlenew...
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, and none too soon!
>>>>
>>>> Baseball?
>>>
>>> Otherwise known as the girl's game of Rounders in the civilised
>>> world.
>>>
>>>> I thought someone had a picture of the assassination of
>>>> Archduke Ferdinand.
>>>
>>> Quite...
>>>
>>> Baseball, American Football and the like are relay only of
>>> interest in the USA. So *any* event in Baseball only has local
>>> interest.
>>
>> You don't say. Actually, it's quite possible that there are more
>> baseball fans in Japan than there are soccer fans in England.
>
> I've never heard of any "baseball hooligans" in Japan.
That's because Japan is a bit of a drive from Germany.
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TOPIC: Slide to digital conversion
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/c66961e95e8dbb51?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:37 pm
From: ray
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:15:55 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> I saw this advertised on the web.
>
> Iona Sliders And Negative Converter
> "Iona Sliders And Negative Cnvrtr To PC OR iPod NIC 35mm Photo Negative
> and Slide Converter to PCTranfers 35mm negatives and slides to PC or
> notebook quickly and easilyTurntable has 2 ports for converting nearly
> simultaneously from record, through computer, into any iPod?Print, edit
> or archive photo collection with quick and easy scanning software5MP
> hi-res full-color scanning with 1-touch instant scanUSB 2.0 connection
> and USB 2.0 portFixed focus range and auto exposure/color balance with
> high-quality 4 glass optical elementIncludes USB connection and software
> "
>
> and was attracted by the price.
>
> Has anyone had any experience with this or similar type of slide to
> digital system?
You can get a decent flatbed scanner with slide/negative capability for
around $100.
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TOPIC: Correct name for "pinhole lens" used in covert cameras?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4a3f36ff97395b3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:38 pm
From: dj_nme
Alison J wrote:
> Can I ask you specialists some questions about digital cameras.
>
> I want some info on the optical quality of the lenses used in small
> digital camera units lie this: http://tr.im/onwK.
>
> Many sites call that a "pinhole lens" but when I search for
> "pinhole lens" I get hits for lenses created by making a pinhole in
> a card.
That's called "'pinhole lens" because the hole the video camera needs
for it's lens to poke through is very small, it looks a bit like a
pinhole and can sometimes be concealed behind a pop-rivet or what looks
like a hole left by a missing srew.
> Is this tiny glass or plastic lens more correctly called by some
> other term which I can use for a search?
The lens could perhaps be better described as an "afocal lens", because
everyting appears to be in focus (or at least equally blurred) and thus
does not need to be focused during installation.
> Thank you.
> AJ
>
> PS---I would appreciate any links to info on the typical optical
> quality and specification of these lenses. (Usual angle of view,
> typical low light sensitivity, depth of focus, etc.) I can guess
> these are probably low spec but how low?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:39 pm
From: PatM
On Jun 13, 8:48 pm, PatM <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Jun 13, 10:27 am, Alison J <nom...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Can I ask you specialists some questions about digital cameras.
>
> > I want some info on the optical quality of the lenses used in small
> > digital camera units lie this: http://tr.im/onwK.
>
> > Many sites call that a "pinhole lens" but when I search for
> > "pinhole lens" I get hits for lenses created by making a pinhole in
> > a card.
>
> > Is this tiny glass or plastic lens more correctly called by some
> > other term which I can use for a search?
>
> > Thank you.
> > AJ
>
> > PS---I would appreciate any links to info on the typical optical
> > quality and specification of these lenses. (Usual angle of view,
> > typical low light sensitivity, depth of focus, etc.) I can guess
> > these are probably low spec but how low?
>
> You are hurting my brain, but IIRC that type of lens is called a
> "Pancake Lens".
Here is the DSLR version of a pancake lens, which they say in
knicknamed a pin lens:
http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lenscap.html
It might be what you are looking for.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 10:45 pm
From: The Correction Police
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:38:48 +1000, dj_nme <dj_nme@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Alison J wrote:
>> Can I ask you specialists some questions about digital cameras.
>>
>> I want some info on the optical quality of the lenses used in small
>> digital camera units lie this: http://tr.im/onwK.
>>
>> Many sites call that a "pinhole lens" but when I search for
>> "pinhole lens" I get hits for lenses created by making a pinhole in
>> a card.
>
>That's called "'pinhole lens" because the hole the video camera needs
>for it's lens to poke through is very small, it looks a bit like a
>pinhole and can sometimes be concealed behind a pop-rivet or what looks
>like a hole left by a missing srew.
>
>> Is this tiny glass or plastic lens more correctly called by some
>> other term which I can use for a search?
>
>The lens could perhaps be better described as an "afocal lens", because
>everyting appears to be in focus (or at least equally blurred) and thus
>does not need to be focused during installation.
>
Yet the more mechanically inclined user will take that small video-camera
apart or find the small focusing-helix collar and refocus that lens to
ensure pixel-edge-sharp details--maximizing their potential. It's the first
thing I do before I ever install or make use of one. (First use an x-acto
blade to carefully scratch/chip-away the small clear-green daub of
Loctite®.) My wide-angle IR nighttime wildlife surveillance video-cam at
home does just fine (now) at being able to discern the difference between a
raccoon or fox at 200 ft. in the pitch-dark. (A pair of plain old 100-watt
incandescent yard-floods when covered with IR filters put out massive
amounts of IR-only, even when not turned up full on their light-dimmer.)
The same optical quality is true for the miniature lenses in any
inexpensive laser-pointer collimation-lens assembly. The manufacturer's
costs often saved in alignment and focusing time spent because this is
generally a manual labor issue; dependent on the perception, patience, and
dexterity of humans. I'm more than happy to take one apart to pick up where
they left off. Taking a <5mW $10 green laser-pointer's optics and finely
tuning it to <1.05 mRads divergence. As long as I'm in there fiddling with
things I will also ramp-up the output to ~75mW. (They only set them for
low-output so as to legally sell them to the U.S.A., getting them through
customs.)15 minutes of my time brings me a $130-$250 laser for $10.
That aside, some of these small pinhole digital-cameras work great for
turning an optical microscope into a digital-microscope for just pennies,
compared to a digital microscope-ocular that might be sold at outrageous
cost by the microscope manufacturer themselves. Just because they are small
doesn't mean they aren't of high quality. Many a microscope owner would
regard the idea that "small can only be trash-optics and blurry" as instant
nonsense. Lenses of this nature are generally mass produced by only a
handful of companies; supplying to a wide range of industrial, research,
and home-use applications. High-quality microscopy being one of them. Sell
a single lens element at $70 to a research lab or microscope company
because they expect that price and are willing to pay it, then sell an
identical one to a "pin-hole" camera or laser-pointer mfg. for <$0.20 each
because they expect that price too and will pay no more than that for a
mass-quantity order. They're not going to re-design their whole
manufacturing line just to ensure that they produce one larger order of
inferior lenses. Anton van Leeuwenhoek would also disagree with you, when
he was able to obtain sharp magnifications up to 500x by the use of only
one of these miniature lenses, hand-ground. This also happening over 350
years ago. Much has changed and improved since then.
Segue to r.p.d.: It is far, far, by far, easier to get a perfect figure on
a smaller lens than any larger one. The same holds true for all camera
lenses. This is precisely why larger diameter camera lenses will invariably
perform their worst at widest apertures. It is impossible for them to
figure glass that large to the proper curvatures, at any
consumer-acceptable costs that is. With smaller camera lenses this is
wholly possible, easily accomplished minute-by-minute, camera-by-camera.
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TOPIC: low light movie works better than low light still photos why?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/fd33b306beae64ab?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:07 pm
From: Bob Larter
A Parade of DSLR-Idiots wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:30:50 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:18:52 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
>>> wrote in <4a31d72c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>>>
>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:42:25 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote in <4a308b31$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>>>> Another solution, less radical and expensive, is to upgrade to a compact
>>>>>>> camera with better low light performance. My FZ28 does a good job of
>>>>>>> low light stage photography. <http://i42.tinypic.com/2wfsqo6.jpg>
>>>>>> That's very good for a compact camera, but only ISO 800. I routinely
>>>>>> shoot at ISO 1600, then push the RAW image another stop or two.
>>>>> I routinely shoot at 1-2 stops wider than a roughly comparable dSLR
>>>>> lens, which makes up for the difference.
>>>> In my case, I'm usually also shooting wide open with F1.4 or F1.8
>>>> primes. It's more case of available darkness than available light. ;^)
>>> Had you checked the EXIF data of my image, you would have found that
>>> I was much too far away to use a 50 mm lens. ;)
>> According to your EXIF, your 35mm equivalent FL was 200mm. On my 1Dmk2,
>> I could've used my EF135mm/F2L for an equivalent 175mm @ F2. Or I
>> could've dug out the 10D, used the same lens for an effective 216mm @
>> F2. ;^)
>
> While having to haul another 4 lbs. of weight (3 to 4 times more weight
> than any whole P&S camera alone), this isn't even considering the annoying
> weight and size of your DSLR brick added in. Then being stopped at the door
> because they're not going to let you use it during a public performance.
You think? - I've photographed numerous public performances with my DSLR
'bricks', because I'm smart enough to arrange permission in advance, or
have checked that I don't need permission.
PS: We're still waiting to see some of your amazing P&S shots.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:08 pm
From: Bob Larter
John Navas wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:30:50 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
> wrote in <4a33398a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>
>>> Had you checked the EXIF data of my image, you would have found that
>>> I was much too far away to use a 50 mm lens. ;)
>> According to your EXIF, your 35mm equivalent FL was 200mm. On my 1Dmk2,
>> I could've used my EF135mm/F2L for an equivalent 175mm @ F2. Or I
>> could've dug out the 10D, used the same lens for an effective 216mm @
>> F2. ;^)
>
> If you actually own it, had it with you, and got it past the ushers.
> Claiming you could have used any lens available for a dSLR is
> disingenuous, a bit like saying your car will do 200 MPH if dropped over
> a cliff. "The best camera is the one you have with you." My FZ28 is
> small and light enough to be carried pretty much anywhere. You may be
> willing and able to lug a full huge heavy $20,000 dSLR kit everywhere
> you go, but I'm not.
<shrug> Each to their own.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 11:44 pm
From: dan frescher
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:07:39 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
wrote:
>A Parade of DSLR-Idiots wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:30:50 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:18:52 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote in <4a31d72c$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>>>>
>>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:42:25 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote in <4a308b31$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>>>>>> Another solution, less radical and expensive, is to upgrade to a compact
>>>>>>>> camera with better low light performance. My FZ28 does a good job of
>>>>>>>> low light stage photography. <http://i42.tinypic.com/2wfsqo6.jpg>
>>>>>>> That's very good for a compact camera, but only ISO 800. I routinely
>>>>>>> shoot at ISO 1600, then push the RAW image another stop or two.
>>>>>> I routinely shoot at 1-2 stops wider than a roughly comparable dSLR
>>>>>> lens, which makes up for the difference.
>>>>> In my case, I'm usually also shooting wide open with F1.4 or F1.8
>>>>> primes. It's more case of available darkness than available light. ;^)
>>>> Had you checked the EXIF data of my image, you would have found that
>>>> I was much too far away to use a 50 mm lens. ;)
>>> According to your EXIF, your 35mm equivalent FL was 200mm. On my 1Dmk2,
>>> I could've used my EF135mm/F2L for an equivalent 175mm @ F2. Or I
>>> could've dug out the 10D, used the same lens for an effective 216mm @
>>> F2. ;^)
>>
>> While having to haul another 4 lbs. of weight (3 to 4 times more weight
>> than any whole P&S camera alone), this isn't even considering the annoying
>> weight and size of your DSLR brick added in. Then being stopped at the door
>> because they're not going to let you use it during a public performance.
>
>You think? - I've photographed numerous public performances with my DSLR
>'bricks', because I'm smart enough to arrange permission in advance, or
>have checked that I don't need permission.
Numerous? As in the 2-5% of public performances and public places that
might allow you through the door with a DSLR? What vast photographic
opportunities you have. I bet it reflects in all the photos from the small
sum of your experience too.
I noticed that you snipped out the part about how you are a public nuisance
and annoyance everywhere you go, permission or not. Bothered you to read
that, did it? Bothered you to have anyone else read that again, did it?
Someday you'll start to pay attention to all those people that are cringing
and making faces whenever you are around with your annoying and obnoxiously
loud and large (required-penis-extender) camera. It won't change your
behavior though. Your crippled-ego is so desperate that you need any
attention you can get, good or bad, you even publicly beg for it daily.
>PS: We're still waiting to see some of your amazing P&S shots.
And wait you shall. Wear out another set of knee-pads while groveling and
begging. LOL!!!!!!
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TOPIC: A newbie request help selecting digital camera
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/4222610fecc12359?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 9:23 pm
From: Bob Larter
Troll Spotter wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:59:59 -0400, ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:18:46 -0700, John Navas wrote:
>>
>>>> Often we may be more interested in how to photograph
>>>> a subject that the actual results.
>>> Then, and with all due respect, you're not even an advanced amateur,
>>> much less a professional.
>> How unfortunate that you've returned after slinking away in
>> disgrace many months ago. As usual, with your penchant to seek
>> things to blindly criticize, you didn't understand the thought
>> behind the words and took a too literal interpretation, a weakness
>> of yours. The "we" was intended to mean "many in this newsgroup".
>> It wasn't self referential, as you've chosen to twist the meaning.
>
> ASSAR, don't you have another camera manual that you can download and read
> so you can pretend to have used that camera too? That'll still make zero
> cameras that you've ever actually owned and used. You virtual-life trolls
> are a hoot. Anyone who's ever taken even one photograph with an Instamatic
> can see right through your pretend-photographer act. Most children grow out
> of playing-pretend by the time they are 5 or 6. Are you 6 yet? And please
> refrain from using the word "we" when referring to your own inane beliefs
> and ideas founded on a ignorant lifetime of text-only experiences. The only
> "we" that you belong to are the other dozen or so pretend-photographer
> trolls that infest this newsgroup, spewing their nonsense too.
Still waiting to see some of your P&S shots, kook.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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TOPIC: bust LCD screen
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1d96be8806e07e1b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 11:34 pm
From: Charlie
On Jun 13, 8:36 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> Val Hallah wrote:
> > I dont know how but I managed to bust the LCD screen on my Olympus
> > 565.....
> > what are the chances of getting that fixed ?
> > is it possible to buy parts and do it myself ?
>
> If you can find a dead one on ebay that has a good screen you might be able
> to fix it yourself, but that's not the way to bet. As far as getting it
> fixed goes, give Olympus a call--odds are that it will cost you more than
> replacement value but they may surprise you.
my thoughts as well, still I've sent some emails.....I wonder if it
happens a lot.
The lens gets a lens cap, but there is nothing to protect the LCD
screen.
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