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* Recommendation for a colour printer - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Sizing after Crop - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Recommendation for a colour printer
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/2d52644a5ca5db6a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 13 2009 7:40 pm
From: Misifus

Les Desser wrote:
> I have a friend who is an illustrator - does hand drawings, scans them
> in and then does final touching up on Photoshop.
>
> He has asked me for a recommendation for a suitable colour printer that
> will do accurate prints.
>
> Volume is not high - maybe 25 - 50 pages a month.
>
> My gut feel is that he would be best served with an inkjet printer but I
> don't have a clue as to what features to look out for. I presume that
> the ability to calibrate the printer is important. Cost is an issue so
> not too expensive.
>
> Can anyone recommend a suitable printer?
>
> Thanks

Epson R1900

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Misifus-
Rafael Seibert
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rafiii
home: http://www.rafandsioux.com

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 14 2009 5:35 am
From: High Priest

In article <87u435d7nhk20a4mha043krsegrog0sbcv@4ax.com>,
<mike@nosamm.org> wrote:

> Canon ink jets get the highest consumer ratings. I had an Epson for a
> number of years with no problems.
> Then purchased a deeply discounted Canon (about $50 IP4200) and refilled
> my own cartridges. After about 2 years I was unable to clean the ink
> heads in spite of using 'heroic' measures such as soaking it in hot
> ammonia overnight etc. One MUST use and ink jet every few days or else it
> dries up - permanently!
>
> I had a good supply of ink so I bought two (2) IP3500 that will use the
> same ink and cartridges. (about $55US ea with ink).
>
> Epson is a good brand. I have two dot matrix printers that never died.
> I prefer Canon software. Since the life seems to be that of the print
> head - buy cheap (grin).
>
> m

Woa wait a minute, cowboy.

Les said his friend wants to do "accurate" prints.

> Canon ink jets get the highest consumer ratings.

Yes, Canon gets good ratings from consumers. But I suggest you look at
ratings by professionals. Try the various FLAAR web sites where Epson
is consistently rated best or second best (to HP) depending on the
model and the year of evaluation. More=generically, all three are ok.

> [I] refilled my own cartridges

I urge Les to tell his friend never to do this. Just one reason:

> I was unable to clean the ink heads in spite of using 'heroic' measures

I experimented with refilling when I was just starting out learning
about printers. It was a never-ending nightmare.

Another reason: Les' friend wants accuracy. The inks in a refill system
are cheap because they're shit.

The best way, trouble-free, to get good, consistent, color-predictable,
permanent prints is to use the ink recommended by the printer
manufacturer. In the case of Epson, at least the medium- and high-end
printers I recommended, is Ultrachrome.

By the way, there are two broad categories of ink. Dye-based will give
you impressive colors and a wider gamut than pigment-based inks. But
they will fade in a very short time (sometimes measured in months or
even weeks. Days, if you're in strong sunlight.)

Furthermore,

> One MUST use and ink jet every few days or else it dries up - permanently!

Is simply not true for a good printer using correct inks.

Repeat: stay away from refill systems. Cheap and nasty.

Talker added

> That's why I prefer HP over the Epson...no more clogged heads.

I've been printing high quality giclée prints for over ten years and
mid-quality work for another decade before that. I've never had a
clogged head. Just use the right ink is all.

> The only down side to the HP is that the color cartridge contains
> three colors, so if one color runs out, you have to throw away the
> other two colors in order to change to a new cartridge.

An important consideration that immediately rules HP out of
consideration for me.

Les, here is a rule of thumb you cannot afford to ignore. If your
friend truly wants to produce quality work, he should not consider any
of the dinky little consumer-oriented printers found at the typical
retail store. The Epson 4880 I mentioned in my first post is really the
bottom of the range that he should be looking at. Cheaper models will
give in consistent work, meaning he will waste ink, paper and time
trying to get a "good" print. And the machine will not last as long.
But, if $2,500 is too much for him, at least look at the 3800 nothing
lower.

And, one more time, use good quality paper and the proper inks.

Les, there was apparently much interest in this topic so I and maybe
the other correspondents would be interested to read a postscript. What
did he buy, how did it perform etc.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 14 2009 6:11 am
From: Dave

Misifus wrote:
>
>Epson R1900

No Misfit, wrong..!
Never buy any printer where the printheads are not on the cartridge.

The cost of replacing the heads was nearly what I paid for the Epson
where after I started buying HP, and now I am using Canon.

important note...
When doing Pro Prints, I am making use of a profesional printer
and the printer at home is for day to day work.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 14 2009 7:10 am
From: Sir F. A. Rien

High Priest <HP@snotmail.com> found these unused words:

>> One MUST use and ink jet every few days or else it dries up - permanently!
>
>Is simply not true for a good printer using correct inks.
>
>Repeat: stay away from refill systems. Cheap and nasty.
>
>Talker added
>
>> That's why I prefer HP over the Epson...no more clogged heads.
>
>I've been printing high quality giclée prints for over ten years and
>mid-quality work for another decade before that. I've never had a
>clogged head. Just use the right ink is all.

Might tell that to Lexmark [IBM] Their inkjunks clog constantly!

FWIW, do a -=reference=- print with dye, then have -=real=- prints made on a
Fuji Photo machine!

The cost of the inks and paper just about equals the Fuji and it's far, far,
far better!

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TOPIC: Sizing after Crop
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.graphics.photoshop/t/b6a6e26ab801b7a5?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 14 2009 10:00 pm
From: RDOC

I am using Photoshop CS4

I have an image that is an 8''x10'' photo and I want it to remain that
size. It is an image of a turtle which has to much open space around
the turtle so I want to crop it to remove all that open space. Now
when I crop it to remove the open space the size of the photo becomes
smaller.

What is the proper way to now enlarged this cropped image back up to
the 8x10 size without causing any loss of quality in the photo? Thanks
for your help.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 14 2009 10:12 pm
From: tony cooper

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:00:40 -0700 (PDT), RDOC <rdoc2@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I am using Photoshop CS4
>
>I have an image that is an 8''x10'' photo and I want it to remain that
>size. It is an image of a turtle which has to much open space around
>the turtle so I want to crop it to remove all that open space. Now
>when I crop it to remove the open space the size of the photo becomes
>smaller.
>
>What is the proper way to now enlarged this cropped image back up to
>the 8x10 size without causing any loss of quality in the photo? Thanks
>for your help.

If you have an 8" x 10" photo that you want to crop, but you want the
resulting size to be 8" x 10", you set your crop tool to 8" x 10" in
the width and height boxes and the image - less the parts you cropped
out - will still be 8" x 10". The image will not be smaller.

If you did not specify the crop dimensions when applying the crop, the
image will be smaller.

If you have already done this, and not saved a copy of the pre-cropped
image, you can bring it back up to 8" x 10" by resizing the image.
(Provided that you cropped in a 2:5 ratio) There will be some loss of
quality, but it may not be noticeable.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 14 2009 10:29 pm
From: Rob

tony cooper wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:00:40 -0700 (PDT), RDOC <rdoc2@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am using Photoshop CS4
>>
>> I have an image that is an 8''x10'' photo and I want it to remain that
>> size. It is an image of a turtle which has to much open space around
>> the turtle so I want to crop it to remove all that open space. Now
>> when I crop it to remove the open space the size of the photo becomes
>> smaller.
>>
>> What is the proper way to now enlarged this cropped image back up to
>> the 8x10 size without causing any loss of quality in the photo? Thanks
>> for your help.
>
> If you have an 8" x 10" photo that you want to crop, but you want the
> resulting size to be 8" x 10", you set your crop tool to 8" x 10" in
> the width and height boxes and the image - less the parts you cropped
> out - will still be 8" x 10". The image will not be smaller.
>
> If you did not specify the crop dimensions when applying the crop, the
> image will be smaller.
>
> If you have already done this, and not saved a copy of the pre-cropped
> image, you can bring it back up to 8" x 10" by resizing the image.
> (Provided that you cropped in a 2:5 ratio) There will be some loss of
> quality, but it may not be noticeable.
>
>
>
>
>
>
btw you should specify the resolution in the box aswell