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* Scenic areas in England - 22 messages, 6 authors
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* Printing Photos - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Ten years of digital photography - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Why EVFs will replace reflex systems - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Scenic areas in England
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1076be556766c491?hl=en
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== 1 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:07 am
From: "William Black"
"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
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> I agree.. As a former UK gun owner it was never about self protection or
> stopping crime. The members of the UK population who were in a
> position to carry firearms for self protection were not affected by the
> banning of guns for the general population anyway.
Nobody on the UK mainland has been issued a 'carry for the purposes of self
defence' type firearm certificate for about three decades now.
Only two were ever issued in Northern Ireland, and these were withdrawn
after the Good Friday Agreement.
The only people carrying firearms for use on the UK mainland are members of
the police force. Soldiers are not usually permitted loaded firearms for
operational use when in the UK except under exceptional circumstances.
For example, when the Met shot a Brazilian electrician by mistake a
parliamentary answer indicated that although members of the National
Reconnaissance Regiment were deployed on the operation, none of them were
armed.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 2 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:09 am
From: "William Black"
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
> noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
> general state of repair.
You don't see many dirt roads in the UK.
You see lots of them in rural America, or at least I did, perhaps things
have changed...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 3 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:09 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:52:17 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
>noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
>general state of repair.
I read a travel book the other day, a biker riding across the states,
the overall impression of the book (on this facet) was Harleys are
good for slow comfortable on baddish surfaces while a ducatti excels
leant into a fast bend on smooth tarmac. Of course one book or one
experience does not make a reality, but he wasn't the first to say it.
But your different expereince is noted.
--
Mike
== 4 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:11 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:59:01 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Yes, what you have said is completely true. I don't understand why
>you feel that is particularly important, though. Within every country
>there is some issue of importance that is not an issue of importance
>in other countries. Gun control is not an issue that affects our
>presence overseas.
>
>What is there about the gun control issue that you feel affects the
>European or the American tourist abroad? I can see how it affects the
>thinking of the European who visits the United States, but now how it
>fits into the discussion that has been going on in this newsgroup.
Its important because its a difference, such differences are part of
what makes travel interesting. Until you learn of these different
views you are not aware there is another way, the knowledge broadens
your view and sometimes your position.
--
Mike
== 5 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:15 am
From: tony cooper
On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:23:29 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>you just never hear the concept that we need to arm the population to
>stop criminals, that's a totally American concept and I don't think
>you realize how alien it sounds here, here its all about how do we
>stop the guns coming in from places they are freely available.
There's no concept of arming the population in the US. The concept of
debate is not *disarming* the citizens. The Second Amendment of the
US Constitution contains the phrase "the right to bear arms". Some
feel this is a constitutional guarantee that no laws can be enacted
that takes away this right. Some feel that this applies only to a
"well-organized militia" and not to the general population.
The pro-gun group wants to retain their guns, but there is no movement
at all to require other people to acquire or keep guns. No one is
advocating additional arming.
There are many Americans who are against any gun controls who are not
interested in owning guns themselves. These are Americans who feel
that the rights granted in the Constitution should not be taken away
or the whole system starts to crumble.
Just for the record, I am in the group that advocates stricter gun
controls, registration of all guns, and the banning of all automatic
weapons in personal hands. I'm not an activist in this, but that's
the way that I'd vote if comes to a referendum.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 6 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:19 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:14 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
>> noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
>> general state of repair.
>
>You don't see many dirt roads in the UK.
>
>You see lots of them in rural America, or at least I did, perhaps things
>have changed...
I've yet to find a true public dirt road in the UK. If there is one
point me to it (the very few "green lanes" cum footpath/bridleway
aside, where my vehicle isnt really welcome even if legal). Of course
dirt roads do not really work in a wet climate. In Spain they are fine
for back roads, here they will get churned up into , er, green lanes.
:-)
--
Mike
== 7 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:28 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:54:26 +0100, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>Physically or mentally?
>>>
>>> the former, the latter cannot be done :-)
>>
>>It can, but who would not wish to be a Yorkshireman?
>
> I imagine the house of Lancaster?
That shows a gap in your historical knowledge.
Lands in Yorkshire were split between both houses.
I think the House of Lancaster owned slightly more of the county of
Yorkshire than did the House of York.
Much of the farmland around near still belongs to the Duchy of Lancaster,
but that's not quite the same thing these days...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 8 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:30 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:59:22 +0100, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> give me curry any day! But not for breakfast.
>>
>>So, not had keema and mehdu wada for breakfast then?
>
> no, the nearest I go is kedgeree, Southalls a bit out of my way for
> breakfast. Maybe before a flight?
Well I have to admit I haven't tried the mehdu wada in Southall, but
they're very good in Bombay...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 9 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:30 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:14 +0100, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
>>> noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
>>> general state of repair.
>>
>>You don't see many dirt roads in the UK.
>>
>>You see lots of them in rural America, or at least I did, perhaps things
>>have changed...
>
> I've yet to find a true public dirt road in the UK. If there is one
> point me to it (the very few "green lanes" cum footpath/bridleway
> aside, where my vehicle isnt really welcome even if legal).
Broxa Forest.
They're private, you have to pay.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 10 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:32 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:52:17 -0400, tony cooper
> <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
>>noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
>>general state of repair.
>
> I read a travel book the other day, a biker riding across the states,
> the overall impression of the book (on this facet) was Harleys are
> good for slow comfortable on baddish surfaces while a ducatti excels
> leant into a fast bend on smooth tarmac.
Plus you wouldn't really want to ride a Ducati more than about thirty miles
from a Ducati trained mechanic...
Harleys can often be mended with a hammer...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 11 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:36 am
From: Erick T. Barkhuis
William Black:
> Harleys can often be mended with a hammer...
Say that on any BMW forum, and they'll smile, replying: "Yup, time
after time after time. And you'd better have that hammer with you."
:-)
--
Erick
== 12 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:43 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:28:14 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>It can, but who would not wish to be a Yorkshireman?
>>
>> I imagine the house of Lancaster?
>
>That shows a gap in your historical knowledge.
>
>Lands in Yorkshire were split between both houses.
>
>I think the House of Lancaster owned slightly more of the county of
>Yorkshire than did the House of York.
>
>Much of the farmland around near still belongs to the Duchy of Lancaster,
>but that's not quite the same thing these days...
I had a feeling you were going to know more about this than me :-)
--
Mike
== 13 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:50 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:30:55 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Broxa Forest.
>
>They're private, you have to pay.
so I can just pay to charge round like a hooligan in my 4x4
This is nearest mention I found so far, doesn't make 4x4s sound
welcome:-
"Langdale Comments
Thanks to Dave Lloyd for planning the course and putting out all of
the controls. He even had to collect them from Broxa Forest on Sunday
morning as they had been used for the White Rose Night event the
previous day!! When he first visited the forest in June the byway into
the forest from Lownorth Park was rideable. Unfortunately since then
the restriction on motor vehicles has lapsed and the track has been
badly eroded by quad bikes, i"
--
Mike
== 14 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:53 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:15:35 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>There are many Americans who are against any gun controls who are not
>interested in owning guns themselves. These are Americans who feel
>that the rights granted in the Constitution should not be taken away
>or the whole system starts to crumble.
this probably sums up the (fundamentally different) view taken by some
Americans and no Europeans.
--
Mike
== 15 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:57 am
From: tony cooper
On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:07:49 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 May 2009 21:36:49 -0400, tony cooper
><tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>I was thinking the same thing. Our neighborhood has mailboxes on
>>posts in front of every house. We've got Gator heads, duck themes,
>>hand painted decorations, golf themes, and I don't remember what else.
>>
>>The post office sets the requirements in size, distance from the
>>street, and distance off the ground. If you have a standard,
>>post-office-approved mailbox, you can decorate it or enclose it any
>>way you want.
>
>and in UK we have letterboxes in the front door, a bigger difference
>or not?
That depends entirely on the neighborhood here. I live in an area
with fairly large lots and where the houses are set well-back from the
road. The mailman drives a jeep-like vehicle with right-hand drive
and stops at every box.
In more urban neighborhoods, where the houses are close to the street,
the mailboxes are attached to the house and the mailman walks the
route.
Some US neighborhoods, there are multiple-resident mailboxes at spaced
points. In this case, the resident would have a key to his box.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 16 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:10 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"
Not socialist, you say?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
And will forever remain untouched by mere mortals.
"[OXFORD, UK] ACADEMICS at Oxford University have banned
step-ladders from
its world famous Bodleian library - because of health and
safety fears. The
ban means students are unable to reach books on the top
shelves but dons
refuse to bring them lower...Books on the top shelves
include tomes about
art history and poetry."
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/99971/Library-puts-books-out-of-reach-
The library was founded over 700 years ago and, in all that
time, there is
no recorded case of an injury due to a ladder fall. But, you
can't be too
careful.
It's for the children - well, young people anyway.
== 17 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:11 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:57:04 -0400, tony cooper
<tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>and in UK we have letterboxes in the front door, a bigger difference
>>or not?
>
>That depends entirely on the neighborhood here.
I still think the bigger difference is letterbox through door into
house or mailbox.
--
Mike
== 18 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:15 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:30:55 +0100, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Broxa Forest.
>>
>>They're private, you have to pay.
>
> so I can just pay to charge round like a hooligan in my 4x4
>
What on earth are you rabbiting on about?
You asked where there are dirt roads in the UK.
I told you.
Now you want to destroy them!
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 19 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:16 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:28:14 +0100, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>It can, but who would not wish to be a Yorkshireman?
>>>
>>> I imagine the house of Lancaster?
>>
>>That shows a gap in your historical knowledge.
>>
>>Lands in Yorkshire were split between both houses.
>>
>>I think the House of Lancaster owned slightly more of the county of
>>Yorkshire than did the House of York.
>>
>>Much of the farmland around near still belongs to the Duchy of Lancaster,
>>but that's not quite the same thing these days...
>
> I had a feeling you were going to know more about this than me :-)
There always was some sort of ghastly inevitability about that wasn't
there...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 20 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:20 am
From: tony cooper
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:14 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:dhoi05hs45blo5pbv760go7uhboa2vmqfg@4ax.com...
>
>> UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
>> noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
>> general state of repair.
>
>You don't see many dirt roads in the UK.
>
>You see lots of them in rural America, or at least I did, perhaps things
>have changed...
Oh, sure, we have some dirt roads. You have to be going some place
very out-of-the-way to be on one, though. Either that, or on some
road that is little-traveled. I thought he meant the regular road
system.
I've never thought major road conditions were much different between
the countries.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 21 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:30 am
From: "JohnT"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 May 2009 04:05:35 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Makes visiting beautiful places like
>>Hawaii rather impractical....
>
> driving to Hawaii is generally impractical.
They haven't built the tunnel yet from San Pedro?
--
JohnT
== 22 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:35 am
From: tony cooper
On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:09:32 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:52:17 -0400, tony cooper
><tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
>>noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
>>general state of repair.
>
>I read a travel book the other day, a biker riding across the states,
>the overall impression of the book (on this facet) was Harleys are
>good for slow comfortable on baddish surfaces while a ducatti excels
>leant into a fast bend on smooth tarmac. Of course one book or one
>experience does not make a reality, but he wasn't the first to say it.
>But your different expereince is noted.
A biker riding across the US would not normally get off the regular
paved roadway system. Out west, he might venture off on some dirt
roads in mostly uninhabited areas, or up a dirt road to some house,
but the cross-country rider would not normally ever be on a dirt road.
You wouldn't do it on a Harley or a Ducatti, but there are dirt bikes
with larger wheels and knobby tires that are designed for off-road
riding. Riders of these bikes *look* for dirt roads or go across
country where there are no roads. Harleys are cruisers, and Ducattis
are not, so there would be different riding experiences. (You sit
upright on a cruiser, and lean forward on a non-cruiser)
There's something in the context of that book that would explain the
comment. It's not something that is understandable from what has been
posted. Also, I can't imagine a Harley rider mixing with a Ducatti
rider. I have a vintage Moto Guzzi Ambassador (cruiser-style bike),
but it's in storage since I haven't ridden it for a couple of years.
It needs some work, and I haven't gotten around to fixing it.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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TOPIC: Printing Photos
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:32 am
From: tmonego@wildblue.net
On May 12, 7:29 am, "boothmar...@hotmail.com"
<boothmar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can anyone help....when printing photos on plain paper they come out
> fine. But when printing on glossy photo paper 200 299 gms the pics
> come out too green, ie brown turns to green etc.
>
> I have tried all sorts of printer settings & colour profiles in
> photoshop cs2 but to no avail.
>
> Basically the printer is not printing exactly whats on the monitor. I
> have asked the printer not to make adjustments, but this still does
> not make any difference.
>
> I am using Photoshop cs2, Epson Stylus photo R200 printer, Windows
> Vista sp1, Acer X223w LCD 22inch monitor, & Nvida geeforce 8300gs
> graphics card.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Marcus
1)Calibrate your monitor, makes a difference, hardware calibration is
best.
2) Every paper has a different response to a printer, this is
controlled by profiles, get a profile for your printer / paper
combination
3) Know what paper choice on the printer driver lays down the correct
amount of ink for your paper.
4) Good prints from a cheap printer is always iffy, if you can't find
profiles for your printer, the printer maybe the problem.
5) Other than Epson, Ilford may be the best company to look for paper,
they have a large selection of printers they profile for.
Tom
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TOPIC: Ten years of digital photography
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:51 am
From: Alfred Molon
Almost 12 years here. First digital picture taken on 23.11.97 with a
1.3MP Olympus C1400.
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Alfred Molon
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http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:33 am
From: mcescher
On May 11, 5:21 pm, Gary Edstrom <GEdst...@PacBell.Net> wrote:
> May 18th will mark 10 years since I took my first digital picture with
> my first digital camera: A Kodak DC-265
>
> At only 1.5MP, it was definitely no match for a 35mm camera, but it was
> a start and I had a lot of fun with it.
>
> For some reason, I only saved 19 of the first 100 pictures I took. I
> saved 84 of the second 100 pictures. Since then, I have saved every
> single picture I have ever taken. I keep off-site backups of
> everything.
>
> Here is a summary of all of the pictures I have taken with my various
> digital cameras.
>
> Kodak DC-265: 5,117 (1.5MP)
> Olympus E-10: 17,744 (4 MP)
> Canon 20D: 12,772 (8 MP)
> Canon SD550: 5,091 (7.1 MP) (My current P&S camera)
> Canon 50D: 1,052 (14.4 MP) (My current DSLR camera)
>
> Total: 41,776
>
> For comparison, in all the 27 years I used my 35mm film camera starting
> in 1974, I only took a total of 2,859 pictures. That's 14.6 times as
> many pictures in a little over a third as much time.
>
> Sure, they are not all masterpieces. That was not the point. My
> primary idea is to create memories. I was always disappointed that my
> father had so few pictures of the back woods cabin he grew up in in
> Michigan. He only had 4 B&W pictures that all showed the cabin from the
> same general view from about 1920. I was determined that the same was
> not going to happen with my mother's house that she lived in for 40
> years before she died. Over the years, I have taken over 1,800 images
> inside and out from every view conceivable. I also shot a number of
> close ups of a number of objects in the house. I also photographed the
> neighborhood in detail. Sure, I may have gone overboard, but I don't
> think that anyone in the future will say that they wished they had more
> pictures of the place.
>
> I wonder how many images I will have in another 10 years?
>
> Gary
I was just thinking about this the other day. I'm at 9 years, and my
first camera was 640x480. What is that, like 0.8 MP, hehehe. Cell
phones are well past that now! I did see an article on TV about a
year ago that said we're losing some of our history because it is so
easy to delete the "bad ones".
Thanks for the good memories,
Chris M.
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TOPIC: Why EVFs will replace reflex systems
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 6:28 am
From: Don Stauffer
Rich wrote:
> Aside from the sensor (and in the case of 4/3rds it's possible the
> sensor come second) the most expensive parts in a DSLR are the mirror
> mechanism and the pentaprism. By getting rid of these and replacing
> them with an EVF, they eliminate a large amount of cost. Particularly
> with higher-end cameras where the shooters demand (and don't in all
> cases get them) an optical viewfinder with a 100% field of view. All
> LCDs/EVFs that I am aware of provide a 100% view of the scene to be
> imaged. Most optical viewfinders do not because of cost. The cost of
> a pentaprism in a full frame digital is not inconsiderable.
On the contrary. Almost every SLR I have owned, film or digital, shows
slightly MORE than what is contained by the format.
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