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TOPIC: Scenic areas in England
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/1076be556766c491?hl=en
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== 1 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:41 am
From: Chris H
In message <00hi05t3ag7jjc47oikebo3ci8c0rhhqme@4ax.com>, Mike
<rubbish@live.com> writes
>On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:27:47 +0100, "William Black"
><william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I live in North Yorkshire.
>>
>>I can walk to the coast in twenty minutes, cycle to the nearest forest in
>>twenty minutes and drive to the nearest mountain range (well, craggy
>>hills) in about an hour...
>
>yeah, but how long does it take to get out of Yorkshire? :-)
Physically or mentally?
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== 2 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:48 am
From: Chris H
In message <7mfi05hgsg8fdk6en048gnguqou689edr2@4ax.com>, Mike
<rubbish@live.com> writes
>
>>Judging from some recent
>>developments in the UK, I would say the issue isn't exactly resolved
>>there either. Arming some policemen seems to indicate a willingness to
>>'fight fire with fire' in order to protect the population
>
>arming the police, which hasn't generally happened is a million miles
>from arming the population
I agree.
>>from those who
>>see an unarmed populace as a golden opportunity to take what they want,
>>or work out their frustrations by killing innocent people.
>
>you just never hear the concept that we need to arm the population to
>stop criminals, that's a totally American concept and I don't think
>you realize how alien it sounds here, here its all about how do we
>stop the guns coming in from places they are freely available.
I agree.. As a former UK gun owner it was never about self protection or
stopping crime. The members of the UK population who were in a
position to carry firearms for self protection were not affected by the
banning of guns for the general population anyway.
I think it was some 12,000 civilians had the right to carry firearms for
protection in the early 1980's
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== 3 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:45 am
From: Chris H
In message <0pbi05lfn9eco4cu0gi7jrrjeujcph46ll@4ax.com>, Mike
<rubbish@live.com> writes
>On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:36:43 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>
>> I am sure
>>>there are plenty of UK citizens who DON'T believe in gun control,
>
>sorry, I misread that, no, there are not more than a handfull, that's
>the interesting point. you will get some saying change this, modify
>that, the handgun ban was excessive,
A LOT of UK citizens think the handgun ban was stupid and excessive.
>but you will not find anything
>more than a handful advocating the right to bear arms in general.
At the moment everyone bears arms except law abiding citizens. There
are more guns in the UK than when the handguns were banned (shortly
after they banned pump shotguns and rifles)
Also Armed crime rose year on year and we have far more armed Police.
The disarming of the relatively few private owners was a pointless
exercise as regards crime and public safety.
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== 4 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:50 am
From: Chris H
In message <MPG.24736161f77bc993989863@127.0.0.1>, Erick T. Barkhuis
<erick.use-net@ardane.c-o-m> writes
>Mike:
>
>> >from those who
>> >see an unarmed populace as a golden opportunity to take what they want,
>> >or work out their frustrations by killing innocent people.
>>
>> you just never hear the concept that we need to arm the population to
>> stop criminals, that's a totally American concept and I don't think
>> you realize how alien it sounds here
>
>I absolutely agree. It's a non-issue.
>There are no bar (hairdresser, taxi) talks about allowing the
>population to carry guns.
Yes there are. Well more along the lines that the previous bann was
pointless.
>In contrast, everyone is yelling out loud, that those, who carry
>knives, are idiots and should be punished severely.
True
>Strange enough, people _will_ understand that certain individuals in
>risky situations (like cab drivers at night) have some pepperspray
>handy. Howevver, they will generally consider such driver an idiot if
>that pepperspray happens to be a loaded gun.
May be.
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== 5 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:54 am
From: Chris Malcolm
In rec.photo.digital Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:
> "mcdonaldREMOVE TO ACTUALLY REACH ME"@scs.uiuc.edu wrote:
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>> I think its a given the US has some great landscapes, they are of
>>> course as far away from parts of US as Iceland or Russia is from me in
>>> London. I can drive to the alps in a day, would I be right in assuming
>>> there are places in the middle of the US where its quite a trek to get
>>> anywhere interesting or some coast.
>>
>> There is no place in the US where it is more than a long day's drive to
>> get to some place interesting and very nice. There are places where
>> that would not be a coast, however, or very big mountains.
>>
>> Doug McDonald
> I can drive to the coast in about 6 hours. To mountains (over 5000
> feet), in about 8 hours. And that's in Texas. Most places are quite a
> bit closer to either a coast, or mountains, than I am.
In fifteen minutes I can walk to the coast. In an hour I can walk to
the bottom of the nearest "mountain". It's only 500 ft high, a tiny
bonsai "mountain", but craggy and steep enough kill careless people at
a rough average of one a year, and to display the Brocken Spectre (an
optical illusion of a giant figure in the mist) in the right
atmospheric conditions. It takes another half hour to get up it if
you're not unfit. If you're reasonably fit you should be able to do it
in half an hour carrying a heavy camera and tripod :-)
I prefer walking (and cycling) to driving for health reasons. I
suspect cars kill far more people through lack of exercise than they
do in accidents.
--
Chris Malcolm
== 6 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:03 am
From: S Viemeister
Mike wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 21:36:49 -0400, tony cooper
> <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> I was thinking the same thing. Our neighborhood has mailboxes on
>> posts in front of every house. We've got Gator heads, duck themes,
>> hand painted decorations, golf themes, and I don't remember what else.
>>
>> The post office sets the requirements in size, distance from the
>> street, and distance off the ground. If you have a standard,
>> post-office-approved mailbox, you can decorate it or enclose it any
>> way you want.
>
> and in UK we have letterboxes in the front door, a bigger difference
> or not?
There's a letter slot in my front door, but we took pity on the postie,
and installed a box at the front gate.
== 7 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:14 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:40:48 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>Something most Americans don't appreciate is ALL countries are like
>that. The variations in the US are not really any more different to the
>variations in most other countries.
the UK is pretty small, if you don't mind a long day you can just
about drive from one end to the other on the same day (although I
would not recommend it). A friend ran it and many walk it.
You could start in a Cornish fishing village with an accent being
spoken that would be mutually indecipherable in Glasgow. You could
pass through a world city like London on the way and on to the flat
fens of east Anglia, then zig zag back to the mountains of welsh
speaking snowdonia (don't be fooled by the height, these are proper
mountains, not grassy hills, just old and weathered down) this isn't
going to take a day by this route! LOL then go up through the lake
district and on into the highlands and islands of Scotland, some still
Gaelic speaking.
In Spain, starting from Madrid you can be in the regions of three
other languages in a few hours drive (Portuguese, Basque, Catalan)
also the landscape changes from meseta to hill country or what have
you, as does the food, northern and southern Italy are very different
on food and culture and in climate and landscape between the
dolomites, the Po valley and the south . All of this change is in
areas probably much the size of one large US state.
If you restrict the comparison to US v western Europe, there is
certainly more empty space in the US, but not for world terms, same as
there are no doubt places with older stuff than Europe.
I don't think there's any sensible case for anybody saying there's
nothing to be gained for leaving any sub continent, the argument its
all represented at home is an illusion, best illustrated to me here by
bigging up differences in mailboxes when outside countries may not
even have mailboxes at all.
--
Mike
== 8 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:14 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:41:16 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>>not for me, give me desert!
>
>I like a nice pudding too.....
give me curry any day! But not for breakfast.
--
Mike
== 9 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:15 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:41:54 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>>yeah, but how long does it take to get out of Yorkshire? :-)
>
>Physically or mentally?
the former, the latter cannot be done :-)
--
Mike
== 10 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:17 am
From: "Mike"
On 12 May 2009 10:54:55 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
wrote:
>I prefer walking (and cycling) to driving for health reasons. I
>suspect cars kill far more people through lack of exercise than they
>do in accidents.
you are probably right. But I prefer driving for anything over a dozen
hours walk.
--
Mike
== 11 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:22 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:45:35 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>A LOT of UK citizens think the handgun ban was stupid and excessive.
I agree, but that comes under minor changes. Not a right to bear arms.
>>but you will not find anything
>>more than a handful advocating the right to bear arms in general.
>
>At the moment everyone bears arms except law abiding citizens.
that's a very odd way of saying the vast majority do not have guns.
>There are more guns in the UK than when the handguns were banned (shortly
>after they banned pump shotguns and rifles)
Yes, everyone is keen to stop that, not respond with more guns.
>Also Armed crime rose year on year and we have far more armed Police.
so you are saying armed police don't stop crime rising, I agree.
>The disarming of the relatively few private owners was a pointless
>exercise as regards crime and public safety.
I pretty much agree, most of the people disarmed were responsible
target shooters.
--
Mike
== 12 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:24 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:50:03 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
wrote:
>>I absolutely agree. It's a non-issue.
>>There are no bar (hairdresser, taxi) talks about allowing the
>>population to carry guns.
>
>Yes there are. Well more along the lines that the previous bann was
>pointless.
yes, about the extra ban being just tough on target shooters, nothing
about right to bear arms, in 60 years it never came up for me in those
circumstances
--
Mike
== 13 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:29 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 07:03:46 -0400, S Viemeister
<forename@surname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> and in UK we have letterboxes in the front door, a bigger difference
>> or not?
>
>There's a letter slot in my front door, but we took pity on the postie,
>and installed a box at the front gate.
yes, farms and landed gentry like yourselves in rural areas will often
have a mailbox, but in general houses do not. And I assume not to any
design, or do the Post Office have recommendations for what to use? I
saw an old boiler on its side with a milk crate fitted inside on a
farm on Arran.
--
Mike
== 14 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:52 am
From: tony cooper
On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:29:52 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:25:50 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>
>>> The US is quite large,
>>>but our roads are also for the most part very good, if boring.
>>
>>our roads are for the most part very interesting but take a long time,
>>maybe we make the roads to suit the size of the country!
>
>I should have added that our UK roads are well surfaced (although we
>complain) compared to US
UK roads are in better condition than US roads? I certainly haven't
noticed that. I don't see any difference at all in surface or the
general state of repair.
>(according to travel writing - hence the
>psychology of the Harley v the ducatti) you can of course get bored on
>motorways, but that's no way to travel.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 15 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:53 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
news:00hi05t3ag7jjc47oikebo3ci8c0rhhqme@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:27:47 +0100, "William Black"
> <william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I live in North Yorkshire.
>>
>>I can walk to the coast in twenty minutes, cycle to the nearest forest in
>>twenty minutes and drive to the nearest mountain range (well, craggy
>>hills) in about an hour...
>
> yeah, but how long does it take to get out of Yorkshire? :-)
About an hour...
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 16 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:54 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
news:rhmi059a5r6ojnh2h3k5398caithqn709q@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:41:54 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
> wrote:
>
>>>yeah, but how long does it take to get out of Yorkshire? :-)
>>
>>Physically or mentally?
>
> the former, the latter cannot be done :-)
It can, but who would not wish to be a Yorkshireman?
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 17 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:59 am
From: tony cooper
On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:36:43 +0100, "Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 May 2009 17:58:05 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
>wrote:
>
>>> yes, study the people, of which a notable difference (US v UK) is
>>> attitudes to gun control etc.
>>
>>I don't think you can generalize either country that way. I am sure
>>there are plenty of UK citizens who DON'T believe in gun control, and a
>>very large number in the US, who do.
>
>My point is that in the US there is the NRA, a powerful lobby and I'm
>sure there are large groups saying the opposite. In the UK its a non
>issue. You *can* generalize that gun control is a hot issue in the US
>and isn't in the UK.....even if that's wrong and it *isn't* a hot
>issue in the US, then you can generalise that status quo would be
>opposite. None of this requires saying all Americans hold the same
>view.
Yes, what you have said is completely true. I don't understand why
you feel that is particularly important, though. Within every country
there is some issue of importance that is not an issue of importance
in other countries. Gun control is not an issue that affects our
presence overseas.
What is there about the gun control issue that you feel affects the
European or the American tourist abroad? I can see how it affects the
thinking of the European who visits the United States, but now how it
fits into the discussion that has been going on in this newsgroup.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
== 18 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:59 am
From: "William Black"
"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
news:jgmi055cl79bl820oiec89kimu5dn1t0v4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 11:41:16 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
> wrote:
>
>>>not for me, give me desert!
>>
>>I like a nice pudding too.....
>
> give me curry any day! But not for breakfast.
So, not had keema and mehdu wada for breakfast then?
There should be a couple of places in the UK where you can get it.
certainly in Southall.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 19 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:02 am
From: "William Black"
"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:IE0EXQMPNVCKFACs@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
There
> are more guns in the UK than when the handguns were banned (shortly
> after they banned pump shotguns and rifles)
Cite please, and not that tired old ACPO thing that has been discredited
years ago.
I'll settle for a Home Office estimate.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
== 20 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:04 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:59:22 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> give me curry any day! But not for breakfast.
>
>So, not had keema and mehdu wada for breakfast then?
no, the nearest I go is kedgeree, Southalls a bit out of my way for
breakfast. Maybe before a flight?
--
Mike
== 21 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:06 am
From: "Mike"
On Tue, 12 May 2009 12:54:26 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Physically or mentally?
>>
>> the former, the latter cannot be done :-)
>
>It can, but who would not wish to be a Yorkshireman?
I imagine the house of Lancaster?
--
Mike
== 22 of 22 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 5:07 am
From: "William Black"
"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
news:f0DBr5MQQVCKFAiJ@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
> I agree.. As a former UK gun owner it was never about self protection or
> stopping crime. The members of the UK population who were in a
> position to carry firearms for self protection were not affected by the
> banning of guns for the general population anyway.
Nobody on the UK mainland has been issued a 'carry for the purposes of self
defence' type firearm certificate for about three decades now.
Only two were ever issued in Northern Ireland, and these were withdrawn
after the Good Friday Agreement.
The only people carrying firearms for use on the UK mainland are members of
the police force. Soldiers are not usually permitted loaded firearms for
operational use when in the UK except under exceptional circumstances.
For example, when the Met shot a Brazilian electrician by mistake a
parliamentary answer indicated that although members of the National
Reconnaissance Regiment were deployed on the operation, none of them were
armed.
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy dog
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TOPIC: /Misc folder on memory card of Canon cameras?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/5f15d09556c0bde3?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:57 am
From: Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
Dilip wrote:
> I only saw the /DCIM folder on my older Canons, but on a new camera,
> see a /Misc folder. I searched around a bit and found others asking
> about it, too, but I failed to find any answers. I have never found
> this folder to be anything but an empty one. What is its purpose?
> Thanks!
Sound files... Guess you have a camera with microphone, right? Like the
1DmkIII
--
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 3:58 am
From: Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes wrote:
> Dilip wrote:
>
>> I only saw the /DCIM folder on my older Canons, but on a new camera,
>> see a /Misc folder. I searched around a bit and found others asking
>> about it, too, but I failed to find any answers. I have never found
>> this folder to be anything but an empty one. What is its purpose?
>> Thanks!
>
> Sound files... Guess you have a camera with microphone, right? Like the
> 1DmkIII
Forgot to say that it can be used to store user settings too.
--
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/
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TOPIC: Ten years of digital photography
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:22 am
From: Caesar Romano
On Mon, 11 May 2009 15:21:02 -0700, Gary Edstrom
<GEdstrom@PacBell.Net> wrote Re Ten years of digital photography:
>I wonder how many images I will have in another 10 years?
Probably 9,356,937
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TOPIC: Printing Photos
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 12 2009 4:29 am
From: "boothmarcus@hotmail.com"
Hi
Can anyone help....when printing photos on plain paper they come out
fine. But when printing on glossy photo paper 200 299 gms the pics
come out too green, ie brown turns to green etc.
I have tried all sorts of printer settings & colour profiles in
photoshop cs2 but to no avail.
Basically the printer is not printing exactly whats on the monitor. I
have asked the printer not to make adjustments, but this still does
not make any difference.
I am using Photoshop cs2, Epson Stylus photo R200 printer, Windows
Vista sp1, Acer X223w LCD 22inch monitor, & Nvida geeforce 8300gs
graphics card.
Thanks in advance
Marcus
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