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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 12:01 am
From: Chris H

In message <VWEPl.154186$aj5.131895@newsfe16.ams2>, Keith Willshaw
<keith@nospam.kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:LiGk+MCDpwDKFAZf@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>> In message <BcCPl.22298$9S1.21287@newsfe30.ams2>, Keith Willshaw
>> <keith@nospam.kwillshaw.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>"Mike" <rubbish@live.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0n8t059iscobsjpadmbabd9sikqc6o172i@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 19:29:10 +0100, Chris H <chris@phaedsys.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It is not the guns but the Bozos that want them.
>>>>
>>>> Up to a point. In UK we have stopped categories of gun being available
>>>> as a bit of a knee jerk reaction to a single case, it might have been
>>>> better to make sure credentials were better or better enforced rather
>>>> than change the categories available to bone fide shooters.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately it wasnt a single case or had you forgotten Hungerford ?
>>>They assured everyone they had strenghtened the rules on gun licensing
>>>after that incident. Then came Dunblane.
>>
>> They had strengthened the rules on gun ownership and banned many guns
>> (and lost track of over 100,000 pump and semi auto shotguns*)
>>
>> The rules had already stopped Hamilton... the gun clubs had already
>> alerted the Police to Hamilton several times in the preceding years and
>> the local Police did not want to renew his FAC. This would have avoided
>> the tragedy
>>
>
>But they did, the police did NOT oppose the revocation, some junior
>officers thought it was a bad idea and even submitted memoranda stating
>it

SO the firearms team did not want to renew.

> but in the end his firearms certificate was renewed as senior officers
>felt there was insufficient evidence to oppose the renewal.

This is back to front. For a shot gun certificate they had to issue
unless there was good reason not to. For an FAC they the reverse was
true. You had to show good cause.

>The critical factor was that the system supposed to protect the public
>had tragically failed for a second time.

No. The Police failed us.

> In a country where shooting
>was very much a minority interest it was politically impossible
>for an elected government to ignore the public outcry that ensued.

So you are saying the Government reacted to ill informed knee jerk
reactions that were plain wrong?

>Personally I dont think it was justified but I know dammed well that
>all the people I worked with as well as family and friends did.

The masses are seldom right when led by tabloids.
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TOPIC: |AX| The DELL 2209WA Any good..
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 12:34 am
From: Woger

On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:25:39 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote:

>Woger wrote:
>>
>> Seem to get some decent reviews but is it any good..?
>
>Sounds nice but HD video needs 1920x1200(1080) and this is
>1680x1050(945). That might not matter to you.
>
>Here's some competition at 1920x1080 (wider ratio):
>http://www.displayblog.com/2009/01/28/lg-display-lpl-23-e-ips-1080p-lcd-monitor-panel/
>-read the geek stuff below about e-IPS

We are in NZ and what we get here is a very few models of any thing, the DELL
use a LG screen as the e-IPS is a LG development, I am not into watching TV
on a PC Monitor, I prefer my own TV for that..

Plus Photos in general are of a 16:10 format Not 16:9

Prices here can be some 25%- 60% higher here, plus the lack of models to
chose from.

This is the Only LG 23" model sold here LG W2343T-PF and its not a e-ISP
Panel.

For some Reason the DELL Model came out fist in OZZ/NZ..

One think I can't stands is the High-gloss piano black that is now used in a
lot of models..

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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 12:40 am
From: nailer

what was family's ethnic background?

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 3:06 am
From: Paul Heslop

nailer wrote:
>
> what was family's ethnic background?

why?
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== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 3:32 am
From: "Dimitris M"

For the truth, read the following that describes what happens, as mr
Antoniou says with the letter to the British Ambassador. The source is here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=85334727050

--
Dimitris M

_____________________________________________________________________

The Greek photographer Pericles Antoniou from Athens Greece, was arrested in
London England during the Greek Orthodox Easter for taking photographs of a
girl in the London Metro.
Mr. Antoniou, who has a 25-year experience in artistic photography, was sent
to jail, shoeless and was not allowed to communicate with any of his family;
he is expected on a hearing soon this month.

Mr. Antoniou is also a member of Greek Caravan of Solidarity, which was
featured in www.tvxs.gr
As he claims in his letter to the Greek Ambassador in England, he was
visiting London England due to the Greek Easter seasons, and as a "tourist"
he took his camera and rushed to the streets of the British capital city
seeking themes to shoot. While on the subway, the mother of a child
complained about the fact that he was taking photos of her underage
daughter. Mr. Antoniou apologised to the mother and erased all photos which
depicted her daughter. However, the father of the youngster was not
satisfied with this, and on the next train station asked for the help of
police officers, who arrested the Greek visitor.

"They arrested me and locked me up on the cell of the local Police Station,
they deprived of every rights I had; they neither allow my wife to visit me
on the cell nor my 14 year old son and his friends; and I was under a strict
solitary confinement during the night. After taking all my personal
belongings: my watch, my shoes, and my cell phone, they finally seized my
camera", Mr. Antoniou explains.

The next day, Good Friday, the Greek photographer was brought on court where
he was told that he is accused under the Public Order Act 1986 (sections 5,1
and of Act 6) because he might have caused "public harassment, alarm or
distress". The 53 year old man confirmed that he did not have anything to do
with all these. The hearing is on 18th May.

Below is the statement letter of Mr. Pericles Antoniou who sent a copy also
to the Ambassador of Britain in Greece.

"Dear Mr Ambassador,

I was in London during the Greek Orthodox Easter Vacations with my family
and friends and I m writing this letter to impeach what has happened to me
asking you, after you have confirmed all these, to make the necessary
procedures so as to stop my humiliation and to restore my reputation. Above
all, I would like to ask you that no other incidents happen in the future,
because I think they have no place in today's society, and especially among
ourselves as citizens in the European Union.

My name is Pericles Antoniou, I am 53 years old and my hobby is Photography
during the past 25 years.

On Thursday 17th April 2009, around 11:30 am, on the Jubillee line of London
Metro, I was heading towards Modern Tate Gallery to visit the photo
exhibition of the Russian photographer and painter Rochenko. On route and
being fascinated by the fabulous themes, as I was starting taking
photographs on the Metro of the people being present there, a lady
complained about the fact that I was taking photos of her daughter. I
apologized immediately, as the ethics and common practice of photographers
dictates, I showed the lady the photos I had taken of her daughter, and I
erased every photo which contained her. Thinking that the whole situation
was over, an unknown man claiming to be the father of the child, followed me
to the exit and approached some policemen, who were asked to arrest me.

From this point onwards everything was like a nightmare: they arrested me,
the locked me up in a cell, they deprived me of every rights I had while
being in custody, they did not allow me to communicate with anyone, they
neither allow my wife to visit me nor my 14 year old son or any of my
friends, they kept me isolated and barred knowing that I would not escape in
any way, they took all my personal belongings such as my wristwatch, they
took my shoes off and kept my camera. I was not even accused of anything
formally and my relatives did not even know any of this. I, also, note that
not even the Greek authorities in the UK know anything about this incident
at that time, and they have been informed about it from my relatives.

Finally, after having been kept in custody on Thursday, they brought me to
court on Friday handcuffed, and I was told that I am accused according to
the 1986 Act 5, section 1 and 6 that I "might have caused fear and stress to
the people around me". Naturally, I pled innocent and there was a recess
until the 18th of May 2009, where, as I have been told, I have to be present
because I will be condemned as guilty in absentia.

Result: Our family holidays were ruined. We are suffering a post-trauma
effect from all this happened to us, i.e. financial loss and expenses. My
obligation to visit London once again and to pay for my own expenses, for
accommodation and for lawyer fees. Also, I have to oblige the people who
witnessed the incident to attend the court, as I have been advised to bring
them with me so as not to be condemned. Nevertheless, I am deprived of my
camera due to the fact that was confiscated by the police, and so I am not
able to create. Finally, I have to take 4 days off my job in order to be
present at court from 14 until 15th of May 2009.

Most important is that both my family I feel humiliated from all this
incident, and we feel insecure and afraid that we will not be through this
soon enough because of the red tape that's been going on.
I fear that I am in the middle of a case – as if it was written by Kafka
himself for his novels - as a plain citizen, who is accused of exposing his
artistic sensitivity, against a huge governmental mechanism trying to weave
an absurd accusation against me. All this for a simple photo shoot taken
place in public places having stated to the police from the very beginning
that I did not have the intention to cause any harm, I did not cause any
harm eventually, and that the photos I have taken did not cause any ill
comments or any form of damage to anyone.

I trust that, apart from my ruined holidays, the expenses which I have
suffered to pay, and my family's and friends' mental anguish, what has
troubled me the most is that the police tried to humiliate me in any way.
Yet, the abovementioned things I have suffered ever since I was taken to the
police station were the worst things in my life and will follow me for the
rest of my life.

I wonder why did you have to protest strongly to the Greek authorities and
media, when British tourists were arrested for taking photos of airplanes
years ago, while there was a sign that prohibited taking photos on that
particular place?
(Let it be known, that I would be on the British citizens' side because I
had sensed that they were on foreign ground without knowing our sensitive
issues about national air space! I repeat, though, that they were taking
photos next to the sign which prohibited taking of photos and later they
posted their photos!)
Also, why did you protest for the arrest of British citizens on Greek
islands, under the influence of alcohol when they swear at people, beat up
people and generally behave rudely to everyone? What is the Greek police
behaviour to all this? Did they lock them up in cells and humiliate them, as
I have suffered recently because I happened to take photos in public
place(!!!) ?

It is inconceivable for one to think, in the country where Bill Brandt,
Marôin Parr, Killip were born and their works are based on street
photography, that I had to be humiliated and accused of taking photos (!!!)
while being in the Metro – subway. It is noted that in the National Portrait
Gallery there is a photo exhibition currently which is about photos taken of
people in streets!!!

And all this happening to a modern and civilized country with multicultural
issues and if anything else, it's one of my favourite destinations for my
holidays.

I am writing this letter, reserving the right for any further action taken
to protect my dignity and rights, expecting your intervention against the
British authorities so that this outrageous case put to an end, let alone
that it does not give credit to the British Police. Above all, it is
necessary to put a stop on such incidents which degrade the notion of fair
justice from your country, which is supposed to respect the rights of
citizens as well as the artistic expressions.

I intend to notify this letter to the Greek media and also I intend to
inform the European, the Greek and the British Ombudsman; also I am going to
repost this letter to the Greek, European and International Artistic
Photographers Associations.

Pericles Antoniou,

April 21st 2009. "

translation by Frank Gimme

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 3:46 am
From: "David J Taylor"

Dimitris M wrote:
> For the truth, read the following that describes what happens, as mr
> Antoniou says with the letter to the British Ambassador. The source
> is here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=85334727050

What "Recent News" item say?
Is his trial not over by now?
What was the outcome?

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 3:58 am
From: "Dimitris M"

The trial (hearing) is tomorrow Monday 18th of May. Mr Antoniou has come
back to Greece after the event and he comes back to London 2 days ago for
the trial.

BTW, Periklis Antoniou is a very respected person and amateur photographer
with many excibitions and big work and two published albums
http://photocircle.gr/component/option,com_uhp2/task,viewpage/Itemid,68/user_id,65/lang,el/
--
Dimitris M

>
> What "Recent News" item say?
> Is his trial not over by now? What was the outcome?

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 4:44 am
From: "David J Taylor"

Dimitris M wrote:
> The trial (hearing) is tomorrow Monday 18th of May. Mr Antoniou has
> come back to Greece after the event and he comes back to London 2
> days ago for the trial.
>
> BTW, Periklis Antoniou is a very respected person and amateur
> photographer with many excibitions and big work and two published
> albums

Thanks, I was a week ahead of myself!

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 5:13 am
From: "Dimitris M"

Correction :

"Finally, I have to take 4 days off my job in order to be present at court
from 14 until 19th of May 2009"

--
Dimitris M

> Result: Our family holidays were ruined. We are suffering a post-trauma
> effect from all this happened to us, i.e. financial loss and expenses. My
> obligation to visit London once again and to pay for my own expenses, for
> accommodation and for lawyer fees. Also, I have to oblige the people who
> witnessed the incident to attend the court, as I have been advised to
> bring them with me so as not to be condemned. Nevertheless, I am deprived
> of my camera due to the fact that was confiscated by the police, and so I
> am not able to create. Finally, I have to take 4 days off my job in order
> to be present at court from 14 until 15th of May 2009.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 7:13 am
From: "nigel"

"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote to be asked.
>>
> How much do you need to know about the law to understand that if you
> show suspicious interest in someone else's small child, and the parent
> catches you, that there will be some law involved?
>
> The parent doesn't know whether your interest is in capturing lights,
> shadows, composition, and a beguiling expression or if your interest
> is in recording faces that will be Photoshopped onto nude bodies and
> slobbered over on the net.
>
> The "ask first" should be "ask the parent first".
>
>
>
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

"Suspicious interest in someone elses child"..... This seems to mean one
thing in the UK/US and another in the rest of the world. My Italian female
friend who is a teacher was told off by the head teacher after picking up a
6 year old girl in the playground and hugging her (the child was crying
after having fallen over). Another female teacher, this time from Spain,
was given a hard time by a school care taker because she had stepped into
the playground to have a look around.

Something is seriously wrong in the UK, it appears that there are millions
of pervs imaginging themselves having dodgy sexual laisons with kids, with
another couple of million non pervs imagining other people having dodgy
sexual laisons with kids. Makes me want to throw up, at least the
indiscreet pervs are open about their fantasies....

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 9:02 am
From: Marvin

nigel wrote:
> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=856968
>
> As far as this article and the international press goes it does'nt seem to
> appear that he did anything wrong.
>
>
Your heading suggests to me that you have inflated the
importance of a difference in cultures.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 4:01 am
From: "Mike"

I have a manfotto with a quck release plate, fine.
But I now have several other hide/car window brackets, mini tripods
etc for camera and telescope that do not. Not to mention lenses that
mount to the tripod, so the quick release becomes a slow release pain
in the bum(ass).
Does a gizmo exist that turns a quick release plate back into a
conventional "twiddle the knob" quicker slow release?
--
Mike

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TOPIC: Ford, The Survivor
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 5:10 am
From: "Larry Thong"

Savageduck wrote:

> Well since Ford is the only one of the Big 3, even remotely looking
> like a survivor, here is a little salute.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ModelA_0597c.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ModelA_0604c.jpg
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ModelA_0605c.jpg

I would like to see that restored back to its original condition. I love
those old rides!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:05 am
From: Alan Browne

John McWilliams wrote:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2009-05-16 12:30:47 -0700, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>> On 2009-05-16 10:13:48 -0700, Alan Browne
>>>> <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> said:
>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0509.JPG
>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0508.JPG
>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0511.JPG
>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0507.JPG
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you at least post these reduced to about 1600 x 1000 pixels?
>>>>>
>>>>> You complain about Flash BW, but then you post monster JPG's that
>>>>> don't look particularly good until reduced to less than screen size...
>>>>
>>>> OK! OK! Mea Culpa.
>>>> I was lazy and was looking for a quick response for David.
>>>>
>>>> BTW I have no particular personal issue with Flash, but I know there
>>>> are some here who have broadband issues, and I apologize to them for
>>>> my fat Jag post.
>>>
>>> Those photos, when not + plussed +, show fully in a modest Safari
>>> window on a MacBookPro, even better on an iMac.
>>
>> That was one of the reasons I didn't think twice when I posted them.
>> They were no problem for me on my MacBookPro and Safari. There are
>> times I forget there is another World out there through the window.
>
> I was surprised to hear Alan complaining about bandwidth. These are not
> huge images pixel wise.

These 5 MB files still take about 25 - 30 s. ea 'cause the server is not
particularly snappy (~175 kB/s).

A 400 kB JPG would load in a few sec. and be of the same quality when
viewed at screen size.

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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:27 am
From: Alan Browne

Paul Furman wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2009-05-16 12:30:47 -0700, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> said:
>>>
>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> On 2009-05-16 10:13:48 -0700, Alan Browne
>>>>> <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> said:
>>>>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0509.JPG
>>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0508.JPG
>>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0511.JPG
>>>>>>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0507.JPG
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you at least post these reduced to about 1600 x 1000 pixels?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You complain about Flash BW, but then you post monster JPG's that
>>>>>> don't look particularly good until reduced to less than screen
>>>>>> size...
>>>>>
>>>>> OK! OK! Mea Culpa.
>>>>> I was lazy and was looking for a quick response for David.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW I have no particular personal issue with Flash, but I know
>>>>> there are some here who have broadband issues, and I apologize to
>>>>> them for my fat Jag post.
>>>>
>>>> Those photos, when not + plussed +, show fully in a modest Safari
>>>> window on a MacBookPro, even better on an iMac.
>>>
>>> That was one of the reasons I didn't think twice when I posted them.
>>> They were no problem for me on my MacBookPro and Safari. There are
>>> times I forget there is another World out there through the window.
>>
>> I was surprised to hear Alan complaining about bandwidth. These are
>> not huge images pixel wise.
>
> Loaded real slow for me, 0511 took about 25 seconds, 5.56 MB

Same here, about 175 kB/s - my ISP gives me 850 - 900 kB/s w/o a hitch,
so that was slow....

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:28 am
From: Alan Browne

Savageduck wrote:
> On 2009-05-16 20:42:50 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> said:

>>
>> Loaded real slow for me, 0511 took about 25 seconds, 5.56 MB
>
> I know!
> Those were fat files, and it was not my intention to burden your bandwidth.

It would not have been that bad if the server were faster. Those DL'd
at about 175 kB/s. My ISP will easily deliver 850 - 900 kB/s.

> I had sent the full files to a friend in Nashville earlier in the week
> and I had them available on my iDisc storage with my mac.com account. So
> when I responded to David I just used the URLs to the files I knew I had
> handy, and posted them without reducing size (or even thinking about
> reducing size.)
> I have fallen on my sword, so to speak, so make what you will of the
> images,

You are forgiven as we know your heart is in the right place... meaning
your sword ran you through the guts...

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:48 am
From: Savageduck

On 2009-05-17 05:10:45 -0700, "Larry Thong" <larry_thong@shitstring.com> said:

> Savageduck wrote:
>
>> Well since Ford is the only one of the Big 3, even remotely looking
>> like a survivor, here is a little salute.
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ModelA_0597c.jpg
>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ModelA_0604c.jpg
>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ModelA_0605c.jpg
>
> I would like to see that restored back to its original condition. I
> love those old rides!

Hi Rita,
You have been conspicuous in your absence.

That Model A looks at first glimpse to be well restored.
Closer inspection reveals that it is more Hotrod than restored concours car.
To take it from the pretty good looking driver that it is now and
complete a full restoration would mean undoing alot of what has been
done to it and replacing that with original pieces, but it would be a
good starting point, if that was what you wanted to do.
With some dedication and money it could be done, however I think they
have more fun with this as a real driver than as a museum piece.

I didn't get to look under the hood, but I suspect the engine is of a
much later vintage than 1927-31.

The wheels are original, but "Whitewall" Cross-Ply Firestones (which do
no fit the era) on the front and radials on the back raises a few
questions.

There is obvious rear end work. It looks like a rear axle/ differential
replacement and modern upgrade, along with some sort of ride height
adjustment.
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0604ccw.jpg

There are other subtle alterations. There are turn signals on the front
and the tail lights have been changed from tail/brake lights to
tail/brake/turnsignal lights.

The headlight "eye brows" have been added. Those are not in any way original.
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0601ccw.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_0602ccw.jpg

Then there is the "Jack" ball on the antenna?? :-)
--
Regards,
Savageduck

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:51 am
From: Alan Browne

Neil Harrington wrote:

> For example, the Obama administration "proposes that Chrysler's secured
> creditors get 28 cents per dollar on the $7 billion owed to them, but that
> the United Auto Workers union get 43 cents per dollar on its $11 billion in
> claims -- and 55% of the company. This, even though the secured creditors'
> contracts supposedly guaranteed them better standing than the union."
> (George Will column, May 14.)

I cannot see the creditors standing for this. The bankruptcy judge
pretty much cold shouldered their higher priority claim on the assets.

I am not sure to what degree bankruptcy follows common law practice.
Chancery is an odd duck. But if the shareholders push precedent (and
they will) then you can look for an injunction in the following week or
2 (or simply refusal to accept the terms to force an actual bankruptcy
procedure).

Then Obama will have his nuts in a vise which is too bad as most of his
response to the crisis is better than just about any other alternative.

The shortsightedness of this whole thing is perplexing. No matter how
Chrysler (and GM) come out of this they will inevitably have to go back
to various creditors for cash at some point. What lender in his right
mind will lend money to a company (or industry) that subjugates the
value of the loan to junk status at non-junk rates? So, borrowing rates
will rise dramatically for industries "that can't be allowed to fail."

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:52 am
From: Savageduck

On 2009-05-17 08:28:50 -0700, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> said:

> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2009-05-16 20:42:50 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> said:
>
>>>
>>> Loaded real slow for me, 0511 took about 25 seconds, 5.56 MB
>>
>> I know!
>> Those were fat files, and it was not my intention to burden your bandwidth.
>
> It would not have been that bad if the server were faster. Those DL'd
> at about 175 kB/s. My ISP will easily deliver 850 - 900 kB/s.
>
>
>> I had sent the full files to a friend in Nashville earlier in the week
>> and I had them available on my iDisc storage with my mac.com account.
>> So when I responded to David I just used the URLs to the files I knew I
>> had handy, and posted them without reducing size (or even thinking
>> about reducing size.)
>> I have fallen on my sword, so to speak, so make what you will of the images,
>
> You are forgiven as we know your heart is in the right place... meaning
> your sword ran you through the guts...

You have no idea of the forensics clean up I am going to have to deal
with, with this puddle of blood that surrounds me.
--
Regards,
Savageduck

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:02 am
From: "Miguel"

Hello:

Thanks to all for your comments about photography.

About photos of videos online, according to your experiences, what aspects
will you keep in mind?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3537963208/

--
Miguel M. Yalán
http://mmyv.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:28 am
From: "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios"

...On spiegel online, in german only:
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/tech/0,1518,625095,00.html

--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:30 am
From: Alan Browne

Paul Furman wrote:
> Paul Furman wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> Paul Furman wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> Paul Furman wrote:
>>>>>> John A. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing against this photographer. It's just a very awkward subject
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/page/3/
>>>>>> A silly web site but, oh well :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It's good look at those "creative" efforts!
>>>>>
>>>>> I am designated photog for a friend's family event in July and I
>>>>> really want to work the grandparent/grandchildren angle to the hilt
>>>>> ... the collection above is a stern warning to me to be very
>>>>> thoughtful and careful. Thankfully the setting is pastoral, old
>>>>> farmhouse, barns, fields and so on.
>>>>
>>>> There are many lessons to be learned there <g>. Sometimes it takes a
>>>> while to catch all the subtle wrongness.
>
> http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/2009/05/10/what-a-vision/
>
>>> What? There's something wrong with a blue-white-grey sweater against
>>> a sky blue BG, a goofy grin, bad pose and lights reflected in the eyes?
>>
>> That's fine but the shadows from the eyeglasses on his crossed eyes
>> look like some sort of cruel makeup malfunction. Hard to notice
>> through the reflections though.
>
> Wife looks good though :-)

I neglected to mention the harsh red against the sky blue background...
tough, tough!!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 8:50 am
From: "Peter"

"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
news:wemdnUYIivEdmJLXnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com...

> And really, shouldn't you grab your pregnant wife's ass in a portrait?
> After all they are half nude.

Look closely at their faces. She may be his sister, not his wife.
Oops! OTOH they may be in Applachia.

>
> The Anglican priest in shorts with the kid choking mommy is actually great
> as long as you have some sense of humour.
>

Whenever will you Aussies learn there is only one "u" in humor. <G>

--
Peter

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, May 17 2009 9:09 am
From: Alan Browne

Peter wrote:
> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:wemdnUYIivEdmJLXnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>> And really, shouldn't you grab your pregnant wife's ass in a portrait?
>> After all they are half nude.
>
> Look closely at their faces. She may be his sister, not his wife.
> Oops! OTOH they may be in Applachia.

I really don't think terms like sister/brother/cousin/uncle/aunt are
used the same in Appalachia as we use them... I saw a side splitting
video of a guy from Arkansas, singing, trying to explain his family tree.

>
>>
>> The Anglican priest in shorts with the kid choking mommy is actually
>> great as long as you have some sense of humour.
>>
>
> Whenever will you Aussies learn there is only one "u" in humor. <G>

We Canadians are a confused lot and we use or drop the "u" at will.
Tell ya what though, when you yanks learn to write something as simple
as the date properly I'll change my "colours".

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