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TOPIC: The Destructiveness of High Technology
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/8de784f98219b1a6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 12:11 am
From: The Natural Philosopher

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-05-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> You should have seen the news stories from 10,000 years ago.,
>
> Posting 123 lines of old crap with 1 line of original content reveals you
> haven't a clue, dolt.
>

How does it do that then?

> nb

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TOPIC: ssh port blocked. What options do I have?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/7eac8de4a483a301?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 12:45 am
From: Chris Davies

Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
> Another option is to sign up for an account with a VPN service
> such as vpnout.com. They have openvpn servers listening on all
> TCP and UDP ports.

What an elegantly simple idea. Now if only I'd thought of that... :-)
Chris

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 4:24 am
From: Chrisjoy

On 7 Mai, 09:45, Chris Davies <chris-use...@roaima.co.uk> wrote:
> Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com> wrote:
> > Another option is to sign up for an account with a VPN service
> > such as vpnout.com. They have openvpn servers listening on all
> > TCP and UDP ports.
>
> What an elegantly simple idea. Now if only I'd thought of that... :-)
> Chris

I don't think this idea is any good at all. By following it you have
added yet another single point of failure, a point you do not control.

This said, his root seaching point is very good. Most hotspots don't
protect the surfers from eachother. One cannot call'em irresponsible
either, because the 802.11+ community, and WiFi in perticular have not
made security between clients mandatory. Even if a hotspot is open,
traffic between AP and Client should be protected with a unique key to
protect each client from sniffing. One may say that this is not a
perfect protection because you are still are vulnerable to people who
got control over the hardwires. Such an objection isn't meaningful
though, because it's an attack against how the whole internet works.
We may wish all services offer an end to end protection against
sniffing, but this will never happend. Still we should want to tighten
the greatest security holes.

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TOPIC: Lacoste shoes
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/2706006465c55b1f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: VERSACE T-shirt
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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: 'Reverse' ldd ??
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/1a5675e81f63e81b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 2:53 am
From: Harold Stevens

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TOPIC: Help me! config debian become to linux box routing
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/6cd0e9b9ccbc665a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 3:25 am
From: tieuvinhlong

my plan for the network is:

LAN (10.0.0.0/24) > (eth0: 10.0.0.62) Debian Router (eth1:
172.16.0.62) > modem (172.16.0.1) > internet

I have change /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward from 0 to 1
and Routing table is:

Code:

Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
Use Iface
172.16.0.62 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0
0 eth0
10.0.0.62 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0
0 eth0
10.0.0.0 10.0.0.62 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0
0 eth0
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0 eth0
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0 eth1
172.16.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
0 eth1
default 172.16.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0
0 eth1

But client not connect internet when use debian router

Help me config debian router. Thank pro so mush.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 5:50 am
From: Bill Marcum

On 2009-05-07, tieuvinhlong <tieuvinhlong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> my plan for the network is:
>
> LAN (10.0.0.0/24) > (eth0: 10.0.0.62) Debian Router (eth1:
> 172.16.0.62) > modem (172.16.0.1) > internet
>
> I have change /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward from 0 to 1
> and Routing table is:
>
> Code:
>
> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref
> Use Iface
> 172.16.0.62 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0
> 0 eth0
> 10.0.0.62 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0
> 0 eth0
> 10.0.0.0 10.0.0.62 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0
> 0 eth0
> 10.0.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
> 0 eth0
> 172.16.0.0 172.16.0.62 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0
> 0 eth1
> 172.16.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0
> 0 eth1
> default 172.16.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0
> 0 eth1
>
> But client not connect internet when use debian router
>
> Help me config debian router. Thank pro so mush.

You need to set up ip masquerading. Since it's a Debian system, you can
install the ipmasq package.

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TOPIC: Disarming Viral Software Licenses
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/907159632a5f90b4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 3:21 am
From: Rui Maciel

fft1976 wrote:

> (This is a purely theoretical legal question I'm curious about, no
> need to go nuts, even if you feel very strongly about viral licenses)
>
> The GPL license [1], now wide-spread among non-commercial software,
> requires that if you create a derived work and provide it to someone,
> you must also provide the new source code (software blueprints) under
> the same license, requiring others to abide by the same license, ad
> nauseam. (This is the "viral" part)

It isn't "viral". The GPL is a license, which is nothing more than a list of conditions set by the
author(s) that you must respect in order to be granted the privilege of accessing that software. If you
"create a derived work" you are still using the software that the original authors have produced. The
original authors don't lose any of their rights on their work just because someone decided to tweak it,
specially if that person acknowledged the set of conditions initially set up.

> I am wondering, what if the person who creates the derived work
> requires a separate waiver of this right to obtain the source code
> under GPL from everyone to whom the derived work is provided?

Waiver? That doesn't make sense. What that person needs to do is get the authors of that work to agree to
let them access their work under a new set of conditions. To put it in other words, you need to access that
work under a new license which must be willingly provided by the original authors themselves.

Rui Maciel

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 3:28 am
From: Rui Maciel

fft1976 wrote:

> But is it legal and enforceable? This seems a bit like a non-compete
> clause (that can be ignored in California).

That doesn't make any sense. If you pick up a CD/DVD with some other piece of software, lets say MS Office,
then do you believe that the fact that Microsoft will not authorize you to distribute their own work under
any other license that you may see fit means that their license is "viral" ? Does that mean that Microsoft's
license for MS Office is illegal and unenforceable or a non-compete clause?

> Just because the viral
> license demands something, does not mean it's entitled to it (limiting
> separate contracts with third parties).

Indeed. Yet, you do not have to right to pick up any copyrighted work and not only ignore it's license but
also make it out to be your own work at the expenses of the work's rightful owners.

Rui Maciel

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TOPIC: What happens when you didn't get enough sleep...
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/4181f3724dad0e92?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 3:57 am
From: Chrisjoy

On 6 Mai, 18:59, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> Chrisjoy wrote:
> > On 6 Mai, 18:20, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> >> Chrisjoy wrote:
> >>> On 6 Mai, 17:50, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> >>>> Chrisjoy wrote:
> >>>>> Is it fun to be a dumb fuck unable to admit your lies?
> >>>> Can you say "over-reaction"?
> >>> Yes, and I can say "sensetive to bullshit" too.
> >> But you can't spell it...
>
> > How do you know, dumb fuck?
>
> 'Cos I've got a clue. And, if I ever need it, a dictionary.

Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
spell a certain word, dumb fuck?

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 5:02 am
From: Jon Green

Chrisjoy wrote:
> On 6 Mai, 18:59, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>> Chrisjoy wrote:
>>> On 6 Mai, 18:20, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>>> Chrisjoy wrote:
>>>>> On 6 Mai, 17:50, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chrisjoy wrote:
>>>>>>> Is it fun to be a dumb fuck unable to admit your lies?
>>>>>> Can you say "over-reaction"?
>>>>> Yes, and I can say "sensetive to bullshit" too.
>>>> But you can't spell it...
>>> How do you know, dumb fuck?
>> 'Cos I've got a clue. And, if I ever need it, a dictionary.
>
> Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
> spell a certain word, dumb fuck?

The entry for "sensitive". There is no entry for "sensetive".

Oh, by the way, you might want to check the Google Groups Terms of
Service, specifically section 6:

You agree that [...] you will not:

* defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the
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== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 5:35 am
From: Chrisjoy

On 7 Mai, 14:02, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> > Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
> > spell a certain word, dumb fuck?
>
> The entry for "sensitive". There is no entry for "sensetive".

My question stands unanswered, dumb fuck.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 6:03 am
From: Brian Morrison

Chrisjoy wrote:
> On 7 Mai, 14:02, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>> Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
>>> spell a certain word, dumb fuck?
>> The entry for "sensitive". There is no entry for "sensetive".
>
> My question stands unanswered, dumb fuck.

If you're truly a libertarian, why would any of this concern you?

Brian

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 6:08 am
From: "Duncan Wood"

On Thu, 07 May 2009 14:03:32 +0100, Brian Morrison
<scrapspam@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

> Chrisjoy wrote:
>> On 7 Mai, 14:02, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>>> Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
>>>> spell a certain word, dumb fuck?
>>> The entry for "sensitive". There is no entry for "sensetive".
>>
>> My question stands unanswered, dumb fuck.
>
> If you're truly a libertarian, why would any of this concern you?
>

He's deeply confused?

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 6:09 am
From: Chrisjoy

On 7 Mai, 15:03, Brian Morrison <scraps...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
> Chrisjoy wrote:
> > On 7 Mai, 14:02, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> >>> Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
> >>> spell a certain word, dumb fuck?
> >> The entry for "sensitive". There is no entry for "sensetive".
>
> > My question stands unanswered, dumb fuck.
>
> If you're truly a libertarian, why would any of this concern you?

I'm truely a libertarian, further more, of such kind who love to make
fun of dumb fucks who didn't understand yet, the only reason behind
language, is to get understood, and not to follow certain rules. Can I
speak frankly?

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 6:09 am
From: Jon Green

Only in your strange little world.

First time I've come across someone suffering from a /written/ form of
Asperger's. Interesting.

Jon
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== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 6:13 am
From: Chrisjoy

On 6 Mai, 18:43, "Tim Ward" <t...@brettward.co.uk> wrote:
> Chrisjoy wrote:
> > On 7 Mai, 14:02, Jon Green <jo...@deadspam.com> wrote:
> >>> Where in a dictionary do you find proof to support your claim I can't
> >>> spell a certain word, dumb fuck?
> >> The entry for "sensitive". There is no entry for "sensetive".
>
> > My question stands unanswered, dumb fuck.
>
> Only in your strange little world.

No, dumb fuck, in any reasonable world my question stands unanswered.
Just because I mistyped a word doesn't mean I don't know how to spell
it.

Is it fun to be an extreamly dumb fuck?

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TOPIC: Serial port monitor
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/d7e225c55b4afa93?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 4:05 am
From: Chrisjoy

On 6 Mai, 22:27, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Chrisjoy wrote:
> > On 6 Mai, 16:11, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> Chrisjoy wrote:
> >>> On 6 Mai, 13:14, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> Chrisjoy wrote:
> >>>>> Need to communicate via rs-232 to an embedded box,
> >>>>> Preferable something that let me view data in hex.
> >>>>> Any suggestion?
> >>>> A computer? ;-)
> >>> Assume I've got even an OS installed on it. What software?
> >> What do you want to do with it? type in numbers and see numbers come
> >> back? Or write a script to drive it a bit better, or write a complete
> >> program to screw with it?
>
> > No need for scripting. If I could get 10 macros it would be more than
> > enough. If can choose between typing in ascii and hex, it would be
> > nice. Preferably I want two windows, one for send and one for receive
> > where I can choose independently for each, ascii or hex view. If
> > package is apt, then perfect.
>
> >> There are plenty of TERM programs out there..
>
> > I found only crap.
>
> Y'know what I would do?
>
> Set up Apache and PHP, and write two php scripts, one to take data and
> post it, and one to read it back and hexdump it.
>
> Its the easiest way of doing batch mode reads and writes..to a
> window..if you set it to autorefresh, it would be real time enough.

This is not an acceptable way doint it. I need assurance I get every
single byte regardless which bit combination. No filtering. Not even
suspision of filtering of any kind. Your high level sollution just
doesn't cut it. Do you got an idea of a software that is made
exclusively for my needs, or do I have to go Windows, again?

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TOPIC: How to identify a motherboard?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/72f885a507b26fdc?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 4:13 am
From: aicnevivnoc@gmail.com

I am building a P4 machine for my dear old mom.

Someone gave me a motherboard, and I simply couldn't locate any info
for it.

Here are the specs for the motherboard:

478 socket

red color

4 PCI slots

1 AGP 8X slot

2 banks for DIMM

2 banks for DDR

The chipsets are VIA VT8233 and PC400.

It also has

2 USB ports

1 sound port (with 3 holes, red, blue and green)

1 parallel port

2 serial ports

The BIOS is AMI.

Since there is no marking on the board identifies its maker and model,
I don't know where to obtain the required drivers for it.

Can anyone please tell me if there is a motherboard search engine
anywhere, to help me identify this motherboard?

Thank you all !

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 4:34 am
From: mikea

In alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus aicnevivnoc@gmail.com wrote:
> I am building a P4 machine for my dear old mom.
>
> Someone gave me a motherboard, and I simply couldn't locate any info
> for it.
>
> Here are the specs for the motherboard:
>
> 478 socket
>
> red color
>
> 4 PCI slots
>
> 1 AGP 8X slot
>
> 2 banks for DIMM
>
> 2 banks for DDR
>
> The chipsets are VIA VT8233 and PC400.
>
> It also has
>
> 2 USB ports
>
> 1 sound port (with 3 holes, red, blue and green)
>
> 1 parallel port
>
> 2 serial ports
>
> The BIOS is AMI.
>
> Since there is no marking on the board identifies its maker and model,
> I don't know where to obtain the required drivers for it.
>
> Can anyone please tell me if there is a motherboard search engine
> anywhere, to help me identify this motherboard?
>
> Thank you all !

There ought to be an FCC approval ID somewhere on it. You can search on
that in the FCC.govsite to locate the maker and board model.

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== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 5:06 am
From: DenverD <"spam.trap\\REMOVE \"at\" SOME\\texan.dk">

> Since there is no marking on the board identifies its maker and model,

did you use a magnifying glass?

> I don't know where to obtain the required drivers for it.

don't modern OS install routines probe the board and self select and
provide needed drivers?

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== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 5:10 am
From: anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)

aicnevivnoc@gmail.com writes:
>Can anyone please tell me if there is a motherboard search engine
>anywhere, to help me identify this motherboard?

Try dmidecode.

Followups set to comp.os.linux.hardware.

- anton
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== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 5:46 am
From: "Man-wai Chang ToDie (+MS=V32B)"

CPU-Z might do it....

It's better for you to take a HD photo of your motherboard and attach a
URL link to it here.

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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, May 7 2009 6:13 am
From: "Bill"

In the past I have used a prog called sister sandra and Crucial's Baleric
adviser to sort this problem.

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