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* what language you use to write script in linux? - 9 messages, 9 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/bfb96b0f12237e40?hl=en
* Internet Issue - 6 messages, 4 authors
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* Converting downloaded PCD files. - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* dual boot Win XP on a USB-connected hard-drive - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Old Computer, New External USB Drive - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Makefile missing for .c file. How to create - 1 messages, 1 author
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* GUCCI bags ( paypal payment )( www.315store.com ) - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: what language you use to write script in linux?
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/bfb96b0f12237e40?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:25 pm
From: The Natural Philosopher
cmk128@gmail.com wrote:
> what language you use to write script in linux?
C :-)
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:55 pm
From: Robert Heller
At Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) cmk128@gmail.com wrote:
>
> what language you use to write script in linux?
bash/sh, csh/tcsh, tclsh/wish
>
--
Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933
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http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows
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== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 2:00 pm
From: Baron
cmk128@gmail.com wrote:
> what language you use to write script in linux?
English.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:53 pm
From: Jules
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:25:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> cmk128@gmail.com wrote:
>> what language you use to write script in linux?
> C :-)
Oh come on, Javascript it up to the eyeballs and insist that the user have
a web browser. It's the way forward... ;)
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 2:04 pm
From: Maxwell Lol
Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> writes:
> At Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT) cmk128@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> what language you use to write script in linux?
>
> bash/sh, csh/tcsh, tclsh/wish
or
perl, ruby, awk, sed, python
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 2:05 pm
From: Linerd
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:02:28 -0700, cmk128 wrote:
> what language you use to write script in linux?
I like bash
http://tuxtweaks.com/category/bash/
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 2:19 pm
From: John Hasler
Jules writes:
> Oh come on, Javascript it up to the eyeballs and insist that the user
> have a web browser. It's the way forward... ;)
For certain values of forward...
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 3:08 pm
From: markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley)
Maxwell Lol <nospam@com.invalid> wrote:
> perl, ruby, awk, sed, python
I like rexx
Mark.
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Mark Hobley
Linux User: #370818 http://markhobley.yi.org/
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 3:18 pm
From: Balwinder S Dheeman
On 04/26/2009 03:38 AM, Mark Hobley wrote:
> Maxwell Lol <nospam@com.invalid> wrote:
>> perl, ruby, awk, sed, python
>
> I like rexx
Do try rc(1), a Plan9 shell http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/rc.html
See http://swtch.com/plan9port/ and a web/cms framework
http://werc.cat-v.org/ written in rc itself.
--
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Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP
Home: http://cto.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/
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TOPIC: Internet Issue
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/8e0406f86f994d7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:17 pm
From: Bill Marcum
On 2009-04-25, art@unsu.com <art@unsu.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok, here is a real mystery. My setup is this: Modem from my ISP (in
> bridge mode). That connects to my Linksys Router, which connects to
> my Linksys Switch, and then there is my niternet network.
>
> Over the last 2 weeks I've started losing my internet connection for
> hours at a time, including within my own internal network. Comcast
> has come out multiple times and cannot find anything. However, get
> this: If I unplug my Linux server from the network, I get internet
> back almost immediately. Once I plug it back in things are good for a
> while, then it happens again and if I unplug the server I get internet
> back again........
>
Maybe your linux box has a bad network card, or another box on the
network has the same IP or MAC address?
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:59 pm
From: Baron
Bill Marcum wrote:
> On 2009-04-25, art@unsu.com <art@unsu.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok, here is a real mystery. My setup is this: Modem from my ISP
>> (in
>> bridge mode). That connects to my Linksys Router, which connects to
>> my Linksys Switch, and then there is my niternet network.
>>
>> Over the last 2 weeks I've started losing my internet connection for
>> hours at a time, including within my own internal network. Comcast
>> has come out multiple times and cannot find anything. However, get
>> this: If I unplug my Linux server from the network, I get internet
>> back almost immediately. Once I plug it back in things are good for
>> a while, then it happens again and if I unplug the server I get
>> internet back again........
>>
> Maybe your linux box has a bad network card, or another box on the
> network has the same IP or MAC address?
I've had routers go bad and kill the network. In fact I replaced an
ADSL router on Friday because of it killing the network card in the
only machine connected to it. I didn't realise it was the router until
I plugged the laptop in and couldn't get an address. All the lights on
both the machines and router were green, which should have indicated
everything was working.
Reseting the router by cycling the power made no difference as did doing
a hard reset with the button. There was just no way to access the
setup pages. A new router was an immediate cure.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 2:07 pm
From: The Natural Philosopher
Bill Marcum wrote:
> On 2009-04-25, art@unsu.com <art@unsu.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ok, here is a real mystery. My setup is this: Modem from my ISP (in
>> bridge mode). That connects to my Linksys Router, which connects to
>> my Linksys Switch, and then there is my niternet network.
>>
>> Over the last 2 weeks I've started losing my internet connection for
>> hours at a time, including within my own internal network. Comcast
>> has come out multiple times and cannot find anything. However, get
>> this: If I unplug my Linux server from the network, I get internet
>> back almost immediately. Once I plug it back in things are good for a
>> while, then it happens again and if I unplug the server I get internet
>> back again........
>>
> Maybe your linux box has a bad network card, or another box on the
> network has the same IP or MAC address?
>
Well the phrase 'getting internet back' is so woolly as to suggest a
fairly high level of technical ignorance in the poster..
If a machine on the network that shouldn't be involved in a connection
out screws it, the implication is its doing something like splattering
DHCP over everything and screwing up DHCP machines, or similar.
I lose internet in summer when I shut a cupboard door. Figure that one
out ;-)
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 3:01 pm
From: art@unsu.com
On Apr 25, 4:07 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
> Bill Marcum wrote:
> > On 2009-04-25, a...@unsu.com <a...@unsu.com> wrote:
>
> >> Ok, here is a real mystery. My setup is this: Modem from my ISP (in
> >> bridge mode). That connects to my Linksys Router, which connects to
> >> my Linksys Switch, and then there is my niternet network.
>
> >> Over the last 2 weeks I've started losing my internet connection for
> >> hours at a time, including within my own internal network. Comcast
> >> has come out multiple times and cannot find anything. However, get
> >> this: If I unplug my Linux server from the network, I get internet
> >> back almost immediately. Once I plug it back in things are good for a
> >> while, then it happens again and if I unplug the server I get internet
> >> back again........
>
> > Maybe your linux box has a bad network card, or another box on the
> > network has the same IP or MAC address?
>
> Well the phrase 'getting internet back' is so woolly as to suggest a
> fairly high level of technical ignorance in the poster..
>
> If a machine on the network that shouldn't be involved in a connection
> out screws it, the implication is its doing something like splattering
> DHCP over everything and screwing up DHCP machines, or similar.
>
> I lose internet in summer when I shut a cupboard door. Figure that one
> out ;-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Again, for the one who may not understand. I have an internal
network. Each device has its own IP. They are all connected to a
switch, which is connected to a router, which is connected to the
ISP's modem.
If the router went bad, it should not affect the internal network as
that never hits the router. The only time the router is hit is when
there is outgoing or incoming traffer from the internet. And, the
fact that everything on the internal network stops responding says it
is something on the inside........
And the fact that I pull that machine from the network and everything
works again says it is that machine causing the issue. Just not sure
what would cause that kind of network failure.
If the MB was bad, wouldn't the server crash, or have tons of errors
durnig operation? And even if it was, why kill the entire network??
Thanks!
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 4:44 pm
From: Baron
art@unsu.com wrote:
> On Apr 25, 4:07 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Bill Marcum wrote:
>> > On 2009-04-25, a...@unsu.com <a...@unsu.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Ok, here is a real mystery. My setup is this: Modem from my ISP
>> >> (in bridge mode). That connects to my Linksys Router, which
>> >> connects to my Linksys Switch, and then there is my niternet
>> >> network.
>>
>> >> Over the last 2 weeks I've started losing my internet connection
>> >> for hours at a time, including within my own internal network.
>> >> Comcast has come out multiple times and cannot find anything.
>> >> However, get this: If I unplug my Linux server from the network,
>> >> I get internet back almost immediately. Once I plug it back in
>> >> things are good for a while, then it happens again and if I unplug
>> >> the server I get internet back again........
>>
>> > Maybe your linux box has a bad network card, or another box on the
>> > network has the same IP or MAC address?
>>
>> Well the phrase 'getting internet back' is so woolly as to suggest a
>> fairly high level of technical ignorance in the poster..
>>
>> If a machine on the network that shouldn't be involved in a
>> connection out screws it, the implication is its doing something like
>> splattering DHCP over everything and screwing up DHCP machines, or
>> similar.
>>
>> I lose internet in summer when I shut a cupboard door. Figure that
>> one out ;-)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Again, for the one who may not understand. I have an internal
> network. Each device has its own IP. They are all connected to a
> switch, which is connected to a router, which is connected to the
> ISP's modem.
>
> If the router went bad, it should not affect the internal network as
> that never hits the router. The only time the router is hit is when
> there is outgoing or incoming traffer from the internet. And, the
> fact that everything on the internal network stops responding says it
> is something on the inside........
>
> And the fact that I pull that machine from the network and everything
> works again says it is that machine causing the issue. Just not sure
> what would cause that kind of network failure.
>
> If the MB was bad, wouldn't the server crash, or have tons of errors
> durnig operation? And even if it was, why kill the entire network??
>
> Thanks!
Network Cards go bad as well ! They can and do, but in theory shouldn't
stop a network. Now you say you have a single machine that when
disconnected allows the network to resume, then the problem must lay
with that machine. In that case replace or fit a new network card and
re-test !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 6:41 pm
From: art@unsu.com
On Apr 25, 6:44 pm, Baron <baron.nos...@linuxmaniac.nospam.net> wrote:
> a...@unsu.com wrote:
> > On Apr 25, 4:07 pm, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> Bill Marcum wrote:
> >> > On 2009-04-25, a...@unsu.com <a...@unsu.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Ok, here is a real mystery. My setup is this: Modem from my ISP
> >> >> (in bridge mode). That connects to my Linksys Router, which
> >> >> connects to my Linksys Switch, and then there is my niternet
> >> >> network.
>
> >> >> Over the last 2 weeks I've started losing my internet connection
> >> >> for hours at a time, including within my own internal network.
> >> >> Comcast has come out multiple times and cannot find anything.
> >> >> However, get this: If I unplug my Linux server from the network,
> >> >> I get internet back almost immediately. Once I plug it back in
> >> >> things are good for a while, then it happens again and if I unplug
> >> >> the server I get internet back again........
>
> >> > Maybe your linux box has a bad network card, or another box on the
> >> > network has the same IP or MAC address?
>
> >> Well the phrase 'getting internet back' is so woolly as to suggest a
> >> fairly high level of technical ignorance in the poster..
>
> >> If a machine on the network that shouldn't be involved in a
> >> connection out screws it, the implication is its doing something like
> >> splattering DHCP over everything and screwing up DHCP machines, or
> >> similar.
>
> >> I lose internet in summer when I shut a cupboard door. Figure that
> >> one out ;-)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Again, for the one who may not understand. I have an internal
> > network. Each device has its own IP. They are all connected to a
> > switch, which is connected to a router, which is connected to the
> > ISP's modem.
>
> > If the router went bad, it should not affect the internal network as
> > that never hits the router. The only time the router is hit is when
> > there is outgoing or incoming traffer from the internet. And, the
> > fact that everything on the internal network stops responding says it
> > is something on the inside........
>
> > And the fact that I pull that machine from the network and everything
> > works again says it is that machine causing the issue. Just not sure
> > what would cause that kind of network failure.
>
> > If the MB was bad, wouldn't the server crash, or have tons of errors
> > durnig operation? And even if it was, why kill the entire network??
>
> > Thanks!
>
> Network Cards go bad as well ! They can and do, but in theory shouldn't
> stop a network. Now you say you have a single machine that when
> disconnected allows the network to resume, then the problem must lay
> with that machine. In that case replace or fit a new network card and
> re-test !
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hahaha......built into the MB. Well, disable that and get a seperate
one I guess........
But it is kind of weird how it take screwing up my entire
network.......
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TOPIC: Converting downloaded PCD files.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/c64b874559e2a4f7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:14 pm
From: Bill Marcum
On 2009-04-25, john@wexfordpress.com <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
>
>
> Some sites offer a 72dpi jpg and a hi res PCD of the same image. AFAIK
> a PCD file has the same image in several densities. I want to extract
> the highest density image. ImageMagick convert gets the lowest density
> file. Nconvert doesn't seem to work. Are there any other
> Linux-friendly converters out there for PCD files?
>
> These are files I downloaded.
>
> John Culleton
I'm not familiar with pcd files, but maybe they contain multiple images
like animated gifs do, and maybe you can tell imagemagick to convert the
nth image. Or you might try Gimp.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 2:03 pm
From: The Natural Philosopher
Bill Marcum wrote:
> On 2009-04-25, john@wexfordpress.com <john@wexfordpress.com> wrote:
>>
>> Some sites offer a 72dpi jpg and a hi res PCD of the same image. AFAIK
>> a PCD file has the same image in several densities. I want to extract
>> the highest density image. ImageMagick convert gets the lowest density
>> file. Nconvert doesn't seem to work. Are there any other
>> Linux-friendly converters out there for PCD files?
>>
>> These are files I downloaded.
>>
>> John Culleton
>
> I'm not familiar with pcd files, but maybe they contain multiple images
> like animated gifs do, and maybe you can tell imagemagick to convert the
> nth image. Or you might try Gimp.
>
I've worked around graffix a lot, never heard of PCD though.
PSD or PCT, yes, but not PCD.
No sense in having an image at 'several densities' since you need the
whole file anyway.
Oh. Google says its a proprietary Kodak format - you need Photoshop and
a plugin.
Only saw proprietary converters on googling.
Amber cheap enough, but windows.
Oh
"PCD: Photo CD, from Kodak, uses this format. It includes several
resolutions within one file (so files tend to be very large) and is non
lossy. It usually requires special reading software. You'll need to
convert a PCD to some other format (specifying which resolution you
want) before you work on it. On Linux, a program called pcdtoppm can do
that, or there's a PCD gimp plugin."
Why am I doing your googling for you?
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TOPIC: dual boot Win XP on a USB-connected hard-drive
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/f5c06046e8cc3ec7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 3:23 pm
From: Bob Tennent
I need to use Windows to access an iPod Touch. I have Windows XP on a
hard-drive in an external USB-connectable enclosure (and Fedora 10 on
the internal hard-drive). I want to be able to boot to the external
hard-drive (when it's connected of course). Can grub be configured to do
this? I find the grub documentation rather impenetrable.
Bob T.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 4:14 pm
From: Douglas Mayne
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:23:57 +0000, Bob Tennent wrote:
> I need to use Windows to access an iPod Touch. I have Windows XP on a
> hard-drive in an external USB-connectable enclosure (and Fedora 10 on
> the internal hard-drive). I want to be able to boot to the external
> hard-drive (when it's connected of course). Can grub be configured to do
> this? I find the grub documentation rather impenetrable.
>
Really? Even if you start from the beginning? Try thinking of Grub as a
thing unto itself and see if that helps in understanding its
documentation. I would say GNU/Linux is _way_ more complicated than this
little bootloader.
>
> Bob T.
>
The bigger question is whether Windows will boot to a "system partition"
on USB. IME, it will not. YMMV. If you are sure that Windows works with it
booted directly from USB (and its C: drive on USB), then I'm interested in
seeing how you accomplished that. IME, the only way Windows can be
have its system partition on a USB drive is when it is booted as a virtual
machine (say from VMWare).
Booting from USB means different things to different people. If you want
to load a bootloader from USB, then the only thing you need is hardware
compatibility. To begin using a Linux kernel and root filesystem stored on
USB may require a few more items.
If you were wanting to boot Linux with its root filesystem stored on USB,
then that is a different story. I know that works. I have written about
Grub and booting from USB before. It seems that Google is not doing as
good of job of indexing my posts as it used to do- I may need to start
building my own index. I did find this:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.setup/msg/836ea53a39efbb1e
I know there are more examples that I have written, but are "lost in the
ether today."
--
Douglas Mayne
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TOPIC: Old Computer, New External USB Drive
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/d831275d6397f47a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 7:18 pm
From: Bombadil
[Followup set to comp.os.linux.setup]
I've got this old computer that needs a hard drive,
and I was thinking that I could get an external USB
harddrive and boot a kernel from a CD (the BIOS doesn't support
booting from USB) pointing to the USB drive as the root device.
The old computer has a USB-1 bus and the USB hard drive would
be a USB-2 device. Is this a problem?
Thanks for any advice here.
Bombadil
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TOPIC: Makefile missing for .c file. How to create
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/t/0bf17ece1294abac?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 25 2009 6:51 pm
From: MC Dooligan
On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:11:03 -0400, asdf wrote:
> I have a forcedeth.c (ver 0.62) code that i need to compile against a
> running kernel, and there are no rpms that i know for my distro(centos 5.3)
> Usually there is a Makefile in the directory but not this time, there is
> only forcedeth.c file. I'm not sure how to creat a makefile so that i could
> do ./configure;make;make install
>
> thanks in advance for help.
Sounds like trouble. You're gonna need to do a lot of doc reading;)
Peace and Cheer
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