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* Oracle buys Sun, owner of MySQL - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* dir permissions in linux: does a "w" without an "x" mean anything useful? -
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* Rolex Oyster Perpetual Day-Date Mens Watch 118239-SD - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Temperature problem - 5 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: Oracle buys Sun, owner of MySQL
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 5:02 pm
From: terryc

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:13:33 -0500, Ignoramus1265 wrote:

> My son can run OpenOffice on his 9 year laptop with 256 MB of RAM. It is
> slow on it, but it works.

256Mb or RAM <drool>.

>
> Google Docs also lets me share documents with other people, such as my
> coworkers or my spouse, friends etc (depending on the document,
> obviously).

"sound business practise."

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 5:19 pm
From: Ignoramus1265

On 2009-04-23, terryc <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:13:33 -0500, Ignoramus1265 wrote:
>
>
>> My son can run OpenOffice on his 9 year laptop with 256 MB of RAM. It is
>> slow on it, but it works.
>
> 256Mb or RAM <drool>.

At some point 9 years ago, this was a very expensive $2,000 laptop.
(because of small size, it sold at a premium price). "Designed for
Windows 2000".

Now this laptop cannot run anything but Linux, and it is amazing that
it can do so.

>>
>> Google Docs also lets me share documents with other people, such as my
>> coworkers or my spouse, friends etc (depending on the document,
>> obviously).
>
> "sound business practise."

What is so unsound about it?

That Google would decide, in a whim, to give this document to an
unintended user? How likely is that?

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 5:53 pm
From: Stephan Rose

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:24:37 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>> Quack snotted:
>>>
>>> Goody gum drops. So lets get this straight : you , as an existing OSS
>>> user, can run all your SW on Linux for which versions of that SAME OSS
>>> are available.
>>
>>That actually is incorrect. Evolution is not available for windows and
>>hence windows could not run all my software.
>>
>>> Thanks for screaming and jumping up and down and making ZERO point
>>> whatsoever.
>
> Being able to accomplish the computing tasks that most peole need to do,
> using Free and Open software, is "ZERO" point, "true Linux advocate"
> Hadron Quack?
>
> You are a fsckwit, Quack.

What I find really funny is that everytime I try to nail him down by
asking him for specifics all I get is silence. Like his statement that
Open Office is slow. Ok, *what* is slow? No answer. I'm not surprised.

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 10:07 pm
From: terryc

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:19:45 -0500, Ignoramus1265 wrote:

> On 2009-04-23, terryc <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:13:33 -0500, Ignoramus1265 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My son can run OpenOffice on his 9 year laptop with 256 MB of RAM. It
>>> is slow on it, but it works.
>>
>> 256Mb or RAM <drool>.
>
> At some point 9 years ago, this was a very expensive $2,000 laptop.
> (because of small size, it sold at a premium price). "Designed for
> Windows 2000".
>
> Now this laptop cannot run anything but Linux, and it is amazing that it
> can do so.

I have a few of that era, but only 64/96mb and <1Gb hard disks. I keep
debating whether it is worth the effort to try and install Linux.
>
>

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TOPIC: dir permissions in linux: does a "w" without an "x" mean anything
useful?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 5:51 pm
From: Maxwell Lol

Rahul <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

> Questions about permissions on Linux:
>
> (1) Is there any situation where one might want to give a write permision
> but deny a read permission (file or dir)? Or is this combination always
> meaningless (as it naiively seems to me)

You can use it to allow people to write files into a queue directory,
but deny others the ability to read what others submit.

>
> (2)For directories specificlly:
>
> I tried giving my group w permissions on a dir. What exactly does the w
> allow them to do? I thought it was supposed to allow them to delete files
> in that dir but it does not (unless combined with an x).

On a directory -
W allows people to create and rename files. You might also need r to rename.

x allows people to see the names of the files in a directory.
It means "search."

If you KNOW the name, you can read and write files in a directory
without x.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 8:47 pm
From: Keith Keller

On 2009-04-22, Jakub Fi?er <mr@MikyMaus.org> wrote:
>
> this paragraph is a mixup. the -x- permission allows one to ACCESS the
> directory (i.e. "chdir to it" and interact with its entries) while the -r-
> allows one to see its content (i.e. "ls it"). The -w- lets user modify the
> directory content (i.e. adding and removing entries). Now it gets interesting:)
> The -w- lets you change the content BUT the content is in fact a bunch of
> entries which cannot be interacted without -x- permission. Hence an -w- without
> -x- doesn't make much sense* while an -x- without -w- or -r- makes perfect
> sense.

[snip]

> There is however one problem with -w-: anyone who has the -w- permission can
> delete any file in the directory even if the file is inaccesible to him in
> any way, since he is not interacting with the file itself but just with an
> entry in a directory.

As you noted, you need at least +wx permission on a directory to delete
or rename a file (though it's still true that the individual file
permissions are irrelevant to deleting or moving).

> To prevent this we have yet another "permission" - sticky. On files it has no
> effect (it has something to do with keeping binaries in memory but now its
> ignored).On DIRECTORIES however it makes you unable to delete entries that you
> do not own.

And to set the sticky bit do

chmod +t dirname/

-t removes the sticky bit.

--keith

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 9:07 pm
From: Robert Riches

On 2009-04-23, Maxwell Lol <nospam@com.invalid> wrote:
> Rahul <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>
>> Questions about permissions on Linux:
>>
>> (1) Is there any situation where one might want to give a write permision
>> but deny a read permission (file or dir)? Or is this combination always
>> meaningless (as it naiively seems to me)
>
> You can use it to allow people to write files into a queue directory,
> but deny others the ability to read what others submit.
>
>>
>> (2)For directories specificlly:
>>
>> I tried giving my group w permissions on a dir. What exactly does the w
>> allow them to do? I thought it was supposed to allow them to delete files
>> in that dir but it does not (unless combined with an x).
>
> On a directory -
> W allows people to create and rename files. You might also need r to rename.
>
> x allows people to see the names of the files in a directory.
> It means "search."
>
> If you KNOW the name, you can read and write files in a directory
> without x.

Slight attempt at correction of the last sentence:

If you know the name, you can read and write the files in a
directory without 'r'. Basically, 'r' lets you learn the names,
while 'x' lets you get to the files once you know the names.

--
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TOPIC: Temperature problem
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 7:04 pm
From: Dan C

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:02:11 -0700, Nathan Keel wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>
>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual
>>>>>>> core CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where can
>>>>> i find some information?
>>>>
>>>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>>>
>>>> Duh.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>>>
>>> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
>>
>> Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
>>
>> Is stupidity painful?
>>
>>
>>
> Why read a post asking for help if you're just going to berate the guy
> asking? Maybe consider laying off the guy. If you aren't able or
> willing to help him, don't reply.

I guess you haven't been reading the thread. If you had, you'd know that
I have already answered him TWICE with correct and helpful answers. When
someone tells you they "can't find anything" regarding ACPI/fans using a
Google search, you realize that they are stupid and beyond any further
help. Unless, of course, you are stupid yourself.

Bugger off.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 7:05 pm
From: Dan C

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:59:35 +0000, s. keeling wrote:

> Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>:
>> Dan C wrote:
>>
>> [nothing much].
>>
>> Why read a post asking for help if you're just going to berate the guy
>
> Dan appears to have an extreme case of Doesn't Suffer Fools Lightly, and
> is quick to label people Fools.

True, no doubt. It's quite easy to use that label on someone who says
they "can't find anything" on ACPI using a Google search. Wouldn't you
agree?

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 7:06 pm
From: Dan C

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:54:42 +0000, Luca wrote:

> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:29:40 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>
>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>
>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual
>>>>>>> core CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where can
>>>>> i find some information?
>>>>
>>>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>>>
>>>> Duh.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>>>
>>> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
>>
>> Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
>>
>> Is stupidity painful?
>
> Who do you think you are?
> If you want to answear to use google, without suggent what to ask to
> google, please don't answear...you're useless.

Isn't it fucking obvious what the search for, based on the prior
(CORRECT) answer that I gave the dimwit?

Bugger off, doofus.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 11:12 pm
From: Nathan Keel

Dan C wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:02:11 -0700, Nathan Keel wrote:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual
>>>>>>>> core CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled
>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where
>>>>>> can i find some information?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Duh.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>>>>
>>>> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
>>>
>>> Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
>>>
>>> Is stupidity painful?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Why read a post asking for help if you're just going to berate the
>> guy
>> asking? Maybe consider laying off the guy. If you aren't able or
>> willing to help him, don't reply.
>
> I guess you haven't been reading the thread. If you had, you'd know
> that
> I have already answered him TWICE with correct and helpful answers.
> When someone tells you they "can't find anything" regarding ACPI/fans
> using a Google search, you realize that they are stupid and beyond any
> further
> help. Unless, of course, you are stupid yourself.
>
> Bugger off.
>
>

Only a fucking regard would say:

"It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled properly."

And then say "google.com" in reply when the OP asks for you to elaborate
on what you mean.

And then when I say to lay off the guy, you throw a tantrum and accuse
me of "being stupid" or "not following the thread", because you are
incorrectly claiming you offered any help to them.

Yeah, tell them to go to google and search for ACPI and maybe add +fan,
I'm sure that'll get them REAL FAR.

Either you know the answer, or you don't. Either you are willing to
help them, or you aren't. Either you are only willing to help "so much
and so far", or you aren't. However, it does no one any good for you
to give some completely vague mention of a common aspect and start
berating the poster because they genuinely and politely asked for help.

I agree with them, who the fuck do you think you are anyway? I really
don't care, since you're not a civil person, so you are welcome to
"bugger off" yourself... bitch.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 11:13 pm
From: Nathan Keel

Dan C wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:54:42 +0000, Luca wrote:
>
>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:29:40 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:01:39 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>
>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:56:11 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:38:45 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Il Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:35:37 +0000, Dan C ha scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:15:02 +0000, Luca wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a compaq notebook with an nvidia card and a pentium dual
>>>>>>>> core CPU. I have windows vista and kubuntu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pc had a high temperature from 2 week. If I use windows I
>>>>>>>> haven't so high temperature, I have use Linux with cpu policy
>>>>>>>> "performance" o "dynamic" the temperature raise 90°.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Somebody know something about this problem?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's likely related to ACPI and fans not being controlled
>>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mmm, I supposed the problem is acpi, how can I resolve or where
>>>>>> can i find some information?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here: http://www.google.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Duh.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah! I don't know google I'm just arrived from Mars!
>>>>
>>>> I tried to search using google, but I didn't find anything
>>>
>>> Well, I guess you're suckin' then.
>>>
>>> Is stupidity painful?
>>
>> Who do you think you are?
>> If you want to answear to use google, without suggent what to ask to
>> google, please don't answear...you're useless.
>
> Isn't it fucking obvious what the search for, based on the prior
> (CORRECT) answer that I gave the dimwit?
>
> Bugger off, doofus.
>
>

Doofus, you're replying to the OP. Might want to replace "the dimwit"
with "you dimwit".

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 9:39 pm
From: A Watcher

Jakub Fišer wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:35:27 -0700, A Watcher <stocksami@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with the
>> charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be ISO-8859-1
>> instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many browsers.
>
> From where did you get this information exactly?
>
> We're in 21st century - any browser can handle UTF if the page has proper
> headers. If something goes wrong then it's usually not a browser problem...
>
> -miky
>
>

The UTF charset shows up really faint and washed out for me, using
Thunderbird or Pan. Perhaps there is a way to ignore the charset of the
message and use what you want.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 22 2009 9:42 pm
From: A Watcher

marrgol wrote:
> On 2009-04-22 20:35, A Watcher wrote:
>> When I post a repley to usenet with Thunderbird my messages appear with
>> the charset of the original message. Is there a way to force it to be
>> ISO-8859-1 instead. That UTF charset doesn't display well in many
>> browsers.
>
> Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Config Editor
> intl.charset.default = ISO-8859-1
> mailnews.reply_in_default_charset = true
>
>

Yes, that's the setting that I have.

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