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TOPIC: Scenic areas in England
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 12:00 am
From: Nick Cramer

Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital whisky-dave <whisky-dave@final.front.ear> wrote:
> > "Savageduck" <savageduck1{REMOVESPAM}@me.com> wrote in message
> >> "whisky-dave" <whisky-dave@final.front.ear> said:
> >>> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
> >>>> whisky-dave <whisky- dave@final.front.ear> writes
> >>>>> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message

> >>>>>> Well, if you believe guns are dangerous,
> >>>>> They are aren;t they.
> >>>>
> >>>> If used properly they should only hit the intended target.....
> >>>
> >>> Then why did my ex-flatmates brother get arrested and charged with
> >>> firing a gun in to the air in LA on independence day.
> >>
> >> Because that is criminal and stupid!!
>
> > What's stupid, I know it was a criminal act, but what is stupid about
> > firing a gun in to the air, he had NO target.
>
> The terminal velocity of a lead bullet falling out of the sky is
> sufficient to cause injury. In a civilised society people who knew so
> little about guns as not to know that wouldn't be allowed to have
> them.

And the more nearly vertical that bullet is fired into the air, the more
nearly that terminal velocity will approach the muzzle velocity.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, May 18 2009 2:48 pm
From: Chris H

In message <gus0s9$5lc$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
dave@final.front.ear> writes
>
>"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:77da7oF1gub90U2@mid.individual.net...
>> In rec.photo.digital whisky-dave <whisky-dave@final.front.ear> wrote:
>>> "Savageduck" <savageduck1{REMOVESPAM}@me.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2009051507484311272-savageduck1REMOVESPAM@mecom...
>>>> On 2009-05-15 05:43:02 -0700, "whisky-dave"
>>>> <whisky-dave@final.front.ear>
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:WCXjmsKG8CDKFAYc@phaedsys.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>> In message <guh5vu$koo$1@qmul>, whisky-dave <whisky-
>>>>>> dave@final.front.ear> writes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3qCdnbHf-b6opJbXnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, if you believe guns are dangerous,
>>>>>>> They are aren;t they.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If used properly they should only hit the intended target.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why did my ex-flatmates brother get arrested and charged with
>>>>> firing
>>>>> a gun in to the air in LA on independence day.
>>>>
>>>> Because that is criminal and stupid!!
>>
>>> What's stupid, I know it was a criminal act, but what is stupid about
>>> firing
>>> a
>>> gun in to the air, he had NO target.
>>
>> The terminal velocity of a lead bullet falling out of the sky is
>> sufficient to cause injury. In a civilised society people who knew so
>> little about guns as not to know that wouldn't be allowed to have
>> them.
>
>Yet this person was able to acquire a gun.
>This is my very point about guns any idiot can get hold of them
>and that is my primary worry,

I agree. Any idiot can get a gun in the UK. They are very easy to get
almost anything from a sub-machine gun to a pistol

>and why I wouldn't want the USA laws on guns
>to be applied to the UK.

I agree. However the current Gun laws we have in the UK do not make you
any safer

> I'm just worried that gun purchases might change
>from
>gun collectors and hobbyist to those that want them for 'self defence'
>which is what my ex-flatmates brother wanted it for.

He can still get any gun for self defence. Nothing has changed. The ONLY
people who do not have guns are the hobby shooters.

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 1:48 am
From: William Black

Chris H wrote:

> I agree. Any idiot can get a gun in the UK. They are very easy to get
> almost anything from a sub-machine gun to a pistol

The lack of street crime involving guns in the UK seems to indicate that
this is not the case.

--
William Black

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TOPIC: Sixteen Reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/cca1e1bb3b88f141?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 12:54 am
From: tnom@mucks.net

>Sixteen Reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot

Trolling again?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:05 am
From: bugbear

SMS wrote:
> Sixteen Reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot
>
> 4. You need a long telephoto lens. Whether it's doing wildlife
> photography in Alaska, or shooting at sporting events, only a digital
> SLR can use long telephoto lenses. If you only need a specialty lens for
> rare occasions, you can even rent one for a couple of days. With some
> point and shoot cameras you can add on adapters to increase the
> telephoto range but even the best adapters are of mediocre quality. Some
> ZLR cameras do give you a long telephoto lens, but the quality is not
> great.

try googling "digiscoping"

BugBear

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:06 am
From: bugbear

nospam wrote:
>> 9. You want full manual control. While some high-end point and shoot
>> models have retained some level of manual control, most have
>> cost-reduced it out. On some Canon models, there is third-party software
>> that can get some of the manual control back, but it's very flaky and
>> complicated.
>
> people who buy low end p&s cameras don't *want* manual exposure.

And the Canon A590 has it "out of the box" if they do.

BugBear

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:39 am
From: Doug Jewell

Peabody wrote:
> Doug Jewell says...
>
> > IMO the way the Pentax system works is the best system
> > on the market. Unfortunately it is let down by not
> > having as many and varied lenses available compared to
> > Canon/Nikon. Although there is a broad enough range to
> > suit most needs.
>
> I'm kinda looking at what to buy, and this is the second
> strong endorsement I've seen recently about Pentax. The
> other was from a local guy I know who is in love with his
> K10D, which isn't even the latest model. If I understand
> correctly, the image stabilization is built into the camera
> body and operates directly on the sensor, which means no
> lens has to have that feature. But I think mainly he just
> really likes the pictures he gets. It's hard to argue with
> that.
I have both the Pentax K10D (well actually I have the
rebadged samsung version, but they are the same camera), and
the Canon 450D. If I was to nitpick, I'd say the photos from
the Canon are slightly better out of the camera, but there's
not much in it. I think the main difference is that the
Pentax produces slightly softer JPGs.

The big difference to me is in the operation. Everything
about the Pentax just works for me - the position of the
dials is in the right place, the buttons are in the right
place, you can configure what function is assigned to each
dial etc. Actually one of the key reasons I got the 450D
instead of the 40D was because I absolutely despise the
dial/button layout of the higher end Canons.

As I said, the AF speed on the Canon is probably technically
faster, but the Pentax feels just as fast, and in lower
light the Pentax will still lock focus where the Canon will
give up - eg with an 18/3.5 lens the Pentax can reliably
focus on stars, the Canon just hunts and gives up.

Build quality is another area where the Pentax excels, it
feels solid in your hand, whereas the Canon feels light and
cheap. The Pentax lenses, even the kit lens, feel well made
and solid.

>
> You keep hearing about Nikon and Canon, and I guess Sony.
> And maybe Olympus for 4:3. But not much mention of Pentax,
> which may turn out to be a really good alternative for a lot
> of folks.
I'm certainly happy with mine.
>

--
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have a queue half a mile long, and no-one on the seat.

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TOPIC: It's just wrong
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/06e32c9cd78fc6f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 1:29 am
From: Bob Williams

Atheist Chaplain wrote:
> "Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:RHaQl.35820$0S.6714@newsfe22.iad...
>> Bowser wrote:
>>> Maybe it's me, but there's something just wrong with this statue in
>>> front of the library in Beaufort, SC.
>>>
>>> http://www.manzi.org/pix/wrong.jpg
>>
>> To celebrate diversity, the sculptor has made a concession to the
>> pedophiles in the town.
>> Bob Williams
>
> so why do you think "paedophiles" when you see an innocent statue of a
> girl helping a younger child to get a drink ??
>
> political correctness now has everyone jumping at shadows.........
>
Mea Culpa!
I did not examine the sculpture closely enough.
I thought that the older person was a male, and as such, the position
was suggestive. But as so many pointed out, the older person is
obviously a female.
So the sculpture does not appear to me tosmack of pedophilia.
Bob Williams

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:34 am
From: Eric Stevens

On Mon, 18 May 2009 16:22:28 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:

>Bowser wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> Bob Williams wrote:
>>>> Bowser wrote:
>>>>> Maybe it's me, but there's something just wrong with this statue in
>>>>> front of the library in Beaufort, SC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.manzi.org/pix/wrong.jpg
>>>> To celebrate diversity, the sculptor has made a concession to the
>>>> pedophiles in the town.
>>>> Bob Williams
>>> I wonder what a 'shrink' would say about people that see homosexuality
>>> in this sculpture....
>>
>> I made no references to homosexuality in my original post. You were the
>> one who injected homosexuality. If you see a problem, look in the mirror.
>I guess you didn't look at the image. There are two people in the
>picture, and both of them are male, so if there is a pedophile in the
>photo, it is homosexual one, is it not?

Who said paedophiles are only after boys?

Eric Stevens

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:47 am
From: Chris Malcolm

Bob Williams <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote:
> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>> "Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:RHaQl.35820$0S.6714@newsfe22.iad...
>>> Bowser wrote:
>>>> Maybe it's me, but there's something just wrong with this statue in
>>>> front of the library in Beaufort, SC.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.manzi.org/pix/wrong.jpg
>>>
>>> To celebrate diversity, the sculptor has made a concession to the
>>> pedophiles in the town.
>>> Bob Williams
>>
>> so why do you think "paedophiles" when you see an innocent statue of a
>> girl helping a younger child to get a drink ??
>>
>> political correctness now has everyone jumping at shadows.........
>>
> Mea Culpa!
> I did not examine the sculpture closely enough.
> I thought that the older person was a male, and as such, the position
> was suggestive. But as so many pointed out, the older person is
> obviously a female.
> So the sculpture does not appear to me tosmack of pedophilia.
> Bob Williams

Unless of course the older person is a male cross dresser or a
shemale.

Have any of you pornography experts checked out any of the major
public art galleries? They've got filthy pictures and statues in there
which make this one look like two kids at a drinking fountain!

--
Chris Malcolm

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 4:46 am
From: "Atheist Chaplain"

"Chris Malcolm" <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:77fdh6F1gfchrU1@mid.individual.net...
> Bob Williams <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote:
>> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>>> "Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:RHaQl.35820$0S.6714@newsfe22.iad...
>>>> Bowser wrote:
>>>>> Maybe it's me, but there's something just wrong with this statue in
>>>>> front of the library in Beaufort, SC.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.manzi.org/pix/wrong.jpg
>>>>
>>>> To celebrate diversity, the sculptor has made a concession to the
>>>> pedophiles in the town.
>>>> Bob Williams
>>>
>>> so why do you think "paedophiles" when you see an innocent statue of a
>>> girl helping a younger child to get a drink ??
>>>
>>> political correctness now has everyone jumping at shadows.........
>>>
>> Mea Culpa!
>> I did not examine the sculpture closely enough.
>> I thought that the older person was a male, and as such, the position
>> was suggestive. But as so many pointed out, the older person is
>> obviously a female.
>> So the sculpture does not appear to me tosmack of pedophilia.
>> Bob Williams
>
> Unless of course the older person is a male cross dresser or a
> shemale.
>
> Have any of you pornography experts checked out any of the major
> public art galleries? They've got filthy pictures and statues in there
> which make this one look like two kids at a drinking fountain!
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm

I get all my best porn from Art Galleries ;-)

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Christ." Gandhi

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TOPIC: Canon A590 - quality a disappointment - lemon, or typical?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/bea3b5f0ddccbd2e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:12 am
From: bugbear

Given that my (fairly beloved) Canon a630 had acquired some dirt inside its lens (no, I don't know how). I purchased a a590, and used it to take some holiday shots.

I was pretty disappointed.

This morning I took the same test shot, in the same circumstances, with both my a630 and a590.

Here is a zoom down, and a 100% crop from both images; both are saved at 95% quality in Gimp, and the zoom down was bicubic.

whole frame, a630:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/6302.jpg

100% Crop, a630:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/6302crop.jpg

whole frame, a590:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/5902.jpg

100% Crop, a590:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/5902crop.jpg

Now, I can't quite put a technical description to what's happened, but at the observational level, the a590 shots are
a good deal softer, verging on blurred, and the colours (especially in the roof tiles in the 100% crop) are less well shown.

My particular a590 is clearly less good than my particular a630. What I need to know is:

Do I have a duff a590 (which needs returning to the retailer), or is my a630 an unfair basis for comparison?

I don't have multiple spare a590s for comparison - but I'm hoping denizens here can help me out.

Comments keenly appreciated (except the ones "saying get a DSLR")

BugBear

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 3:01 am
From: Chris Malcolm

bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote:
> Given that my (fairly beloved) Canon a630 had acquired some dirt inside its lens (no, I don't know how). I purchased a a590, and used it to take some holiday shots.

> I was pretty disappointed.

> This morning I took the same test shot, in the same circumstances, with both my a630 and a590.

> Here is a zoom down, and a 100% crop from both images; both are saved at 95% quality in Gimp, and the zoom down was bicubic.

> whole frame, a630:

> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/6302.jpg

> 100% Crop, a630:

> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/6302crop.jpg

> whole frame, a590:

> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/5902.jpg

> 100% Crop, a590:

> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/bugbear33/photo_tech/5902crop.jpg

> Now, I can't quite put a technical description to what's happened, but at the observational level, the a590 shots are
> a good deal softer, verging on blurred, and the colours (especially in the roof tiles in the 100% crop) are less well shown.

> My particular a590 is clearly less good than my particular a630. What I need to know is:

> Do I have a duff a590 (which needs returning to the retailer), or is my a630 an unfair basis for comparison?

I have two cameras with the same kind of differences between their
out-of-the-box ex-camera jpegs as that. Some minor adjustment to the
jpeg mode parameters in the apparently worse camera (vividness,
sharpness, etc.) makes it apparently the better camera.

--
Chris Malcolm

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 4:27 am
From: bugbear

Chris Malcolm wrote:
>
>> Do I have a duff a590 (which needs returning to the retailer), or is my a630 an unfair basis for comparison?
>
> I have two cameras with the same kind of differences between their
> out-of-the-box ex-camera jpegs as that. Some minor adjustment to the
> jpeg mode parameters in the apparently worse camera (vividness,
> sharpness, etc.) makes it apparently the better camera.

I note your use of the word "apparently"; I would (genuinely)
welcome any advice on working out if I have an "actual"
problem, as opposed to an apparent one.

Certainly, in regard to my (irreplacable) holiday
photos, I am already experimenting with increasing saturation,
altering the exposure curves (even using enfuse to blend multiple
exposure mapped photos), and post sharpening.

But I don't want to HAVE to do this (especially
on 600 photos!)

BugBear

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TOPIC: grim news for photographers tourism and rights
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/f739094ebddaa70e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:28 am
From: chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk

On 15 May, 21:20, "nigel" <ni...@NOThereoday.com> wrote:
> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=856968
>
> As far as this article and the international press goes it does'nt seem to
> appear that he did anything wrong.

The case was thrown out:
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Greek_photographer_Tube_photo_case_thrown_out_news_282766.html

But a disturbing link at the bottom of that article mention some
Austrian photographers being forced to delete all their photos, and
another that London Underground may now require amateur photographers
to buy permits when previously this applied only to professionals.

Chris

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:52 am
From: bugbear

chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk wrote:
> On 15 May, 21:20, "nigel" <ni...@NOThereoday.com> wrote:
>> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=856968
>>
>> As far as this article and the international press goes it does'nt seem to
>> appear that he did anything wrong.
>
> The case was thrown out:
> http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Greek_photographer_Tube_photo_case_thrown_out_news_282766.html

Thanks for the followup.

BugBear

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 3:11 am
From: "David J Taylor"

bugbear wrote:
> chrisj.doran@proemail.co.uk wrote:
>> On 15 May, 21:20, "nigel" <ni...@NOThereoday.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=856968
>>>
>>> As far as this article and the international press goes it does'nt
>>> seem to appear that he did anything wrong.
>>
>> The case was thrown out:
>> http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Greek_photographer_Tube_photo_case_thrown_out_news_282766.html
>
> Thanks for the followup.
>
> BugBear

Yes, thanks.

I sometimes wonder how I would deal with police, who perhaps have strong
local accents, and who were addressing me in a foreign language?

David

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TOPIC: Another source condemns 3:2 format
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 2:50 am
From: RichA

The editorial in Amateur Photographer for May 16th.
Maybe condemn is too strong, but it's been clear for too long that the
3:2 or APS-C format (and the so-called, "full frame" 35mm format) is
too wide. The 4/3rd ratio is more logical and results in far fewer
instances of cropping an image. What good are 12-24 megapixels if you
have to hack away 1/4 of them most of the time?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 3:07 am
From: "David J Taylor"

RichA wrote:
> The editorial in Amateur Photographer for May 16th.
> Maybe condemn is too strong, but it's been clear for too long that the
> 3:2 or APS-C format (and the so-called, "full frame" 35mm format) is
> too wide. The 4/3rd ratio is more logical and results in far fewer
> instances of cropping an image. What good are 12-24 megapixels if you
> have to hack away 1/4 of them most of the time?

Rich,

The format needs to fit the image, so it will (in theory) be different for
every photo taken, so you will always be cropping and loosing pixels.
With displays now moving to 16:9 for TV, I would have said that 3:2 was
too narrow, not too wide!

A format I've never used is the 2 1/4 inch square format (or any square
format). Resolves the age-old problem as to whether landscape or portrait
fits best, and arguable makes the best use of the lens.

David

[cross-posting trimmed]

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 3:17 am
From: "Fred"

"RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:541d7bfd-f880-4e0f-ac6a-2091d6b3742d@s31g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> The editorial in Amateur Photographer for May 16th.
> Maybe condemn is too strong, but it's been clear for too long that the
> 3:2 or APS-C format (and the so-called, "full frame" 35mm format) is
> too wide. The 4/3rd ratio is more logical and results in far fewer
> instances of cropping an image. What good are 12-24 megapixels if you
> have to hack away 1/4 of them most of the time?
>
>
On the contrary 3:2 often isn't wide enough, it depends on the individual
photograph. I crop most of my photos to 3:2, and many, especially
landscapes, to 16:9.

The boring, nearly square, 4:3 format is *so* yesterday (yawn).

What shape are modern TVs, 4:3, I think not. It's about time we ditched this
ancient format.

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TOPIC: Ford, The Survivor
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/6854901652467a29?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 3:53 am
From: "Larry Thong"

Savageduck wrote:

> Hi Rita,
> You have been conspicuous in your absence.

Just been very busy playing with new toys and having loads of fun. I'll be
checking in from time to time to see how all of you are doing.

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TOPIC: There's only one reason to buy a camera
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/2a1e02595cda7025?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 4:09 am
From: Nicko

On May 18, 9:39 pm, "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote:
> "Nicko" <nervous.n...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4f8e5dc7-7763-40f2-987e-20600535166d@n4g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On May 18, 9:09 pm, "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Nicko" <nervous.n...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:6a8ca881-5370-4089-8e0b-c255b245e590@o20g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 18, 5:53 pm, "Dudley Hanks" <dha...@blind-apertures.ca> wrote:
>
> > > You are happy enough with the features and quality to shell out the
> > > cash.
>
> > You forgot the part about wanting to make photographs that meet your
> > needs. I have noticed that people tend to forget that one on this
> > forum.
>
> > --
> > YOP...
>
> > What part of "You are happy enough with the features and quality to shell
> > out the cash" do you not understand?
>
> Mine was a comment about how certain posters here tend to look at
> "quality" as entailing certain arbitrary specifications regarding
> equipment.
>
> What part of my sarcasm did you fail to understand?
>
> --
> YOP...
>
> Then, why did you snip the part of my comment that notes quality covers
> photographs that meet the photographer's needs? If you are being sarcastic,
> you shouldn't have to modify my text to make it look like your text was
> misinterpreted.

But that would take all the fun out of trolling!

--
YOP...

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TOPIC: Cheapest way to capture golf swing impact?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/e23aa73d6c7bf57e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 4:31 am
From: Prof Wonmug

On Tue, 12 May 2009 22:20:16 -0700, John McWilliams
<jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

>Prof Wonmug wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2009 19:12:48 -0700, John McWilliams
>> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Prof Wonmug wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 11 May 2009 11:42:36 -0700 (PDT), Rich <rander3127@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How? How do I get the camera to take the photo sometime between actual
>>>> impact and about half an inch later?
>>>>
>>>> At 100 mph, it only takes 0.000568 seconds to travel one inch. That's
>>>> my window. Actually, I'd like to get it to half that.
>>>>
>>>>> At the bottom of the swing, it'll surprise you, the club will be bent
>>>>> by a considerable amount if the driver is strong. At 1/1000th of a
>>>>> second, the ball is a 3" long (approx) blur.
>>>> I don't care how long the blur is as long as I can tell exactly where
>>>> on the club face the ball make impact.
>>> Coat the club face with flour. Then you can tell the exact coordinates
>>> of the point of impact.
>>
>> Will flour actually work? Wet or dry?
>>
>> It turns out that they do sell tape or stickers for the club face that
>> will show where the ball made contact.
>
>Yes, and you could make your own stickers if you wished.
>I'd try the flour dry, but most likely it won't cover enough. So, wet
>the club face, then sift a small layer on.

I couldn't get the flour to work and it was very messy. It turns out
that there are better ways. Dry erase markers work very well. They can
be applied to the club face or the ball, but I found it worked better
on the club. Various types of tape also work pretty well. Duct tape
worked best for me.

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TOPIC: Best way to extract single frames from an MPG movie file
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.photo.digital/t/8054fcd174c82258?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 19 2009 4:40 am
From: Prof Wonmug

I have a Sony Cypershot (DSC-W150).

Last weekend, we had a birthday party for my grandson. There was a lot
of fairly fast action, which I tried to capture. Most of the photos
were blurry, but the movies were pretty good.

Each movie shot produced two files, a large MPG file and a small THM
file.

Is there a good way to extract a single frame from the movie and make
it into a still photo? I would appreciate any tutoring on how to do
this.

Thanks

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