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Today's topics:
* Photoshop CS4 is a disaster - 7 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/e9e63cd766f5577f?hl=en
* Photoshop 6.0 & 7.0 vs. CS (Pen Tool & Paths) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/8403e4b87db1ea2b?hl=en
* help plz: Photoshop CS4 Extended & undo feature - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/bf296951e9efb5ec?hl=en
* A few questions about OpenGl acceleration - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/6aa9f9472c0783ee?hl=en
* CS4 Extended uses wrong graphic card - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/41348884655086d8?hl=en
* Open GL doesn't work - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/c1d4ade9a55e9ea0?hl=en
* Right click on photo header for image tool menu? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/4790b7a240af3a7b?hl=en
* Centering Web Pages in Created In Photoshop CS3 - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/d7afe0685c8904e2?hl=en
* bulding a custom computer for CS3 - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/de653374491cb184?hl=en
* Photoshop CS4 - File Type Associations and Bridge CS4 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/c284e5932296f23e?hl=en
* CS3 sees Only 1/2 of Installed RAM - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/2b1c924aa517f99f?hl=en
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TOPIC: Photoshop CS4 is a disaster
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/e9e63cd766f5577f?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 8:48 am
From: Lawrence_Hudetz@adobeforums.com
To each his own, but if Adobe can demonstrate conclusivly that, with a system basicaaly configured to be reasonably close to universal, this card and this driver will perfom as speced by Adobe. In the interests of getting feedback, offering a short time loan to qualified users would, IMO, garner significant additional data points to be valuable.
My opinion anyway!:-)
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 8:53 am
From: Lawrence_Hudetz@adobeforums.com
Paul, your position on expensive cards is tantamount to expecting a $50,000 Lexus to perform as well in extreme conditions as a 10 year old jeep Wrangler then blaming the terrain for the problem.
There appears to be no universal autos and no universal video cards. :-(
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:09 am
From: Robert_Pender@adobeforums.com
See <http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/11/status_updates.html>
It seems to suggest that Adobe are recognising the complications of GPU, perhaps?
I quote, "GPUs are pretty fascinating, and there are some things they do really well & others really badly."
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:02 am
From: Paul_Budzik@adobeforums.com
Lawrence,
To restate what I said, I have an Nvidia Quadra FX 3700, it is on Adobe's "tested and approved list" of video cards. As I said, it handles all other 3d apps just fine. So, I have an "approved card" running the latest driver, an up-to-date system running a supported operating system on a clean install of windows and the only application installed is the CS4 Design Premium Suite. As a consumer, I have met or exceeded all the requirements that Adobe puts forth, I'm not using a Lexus, I'm only running what Adobe says I need. So I'm sorry, but I don't see your analogy.
Paul
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:09 am
From: "John Joslin"
Paul, I have that card and have no problems with the GPU features.
Driver version: 7.15.11.6931.
Vista Business OS. Patched up to today.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:27 am
From: Lawrence_Hudetz@adobeforums.com
Thanks, Paul. I didn't know you were using an approved card. The analogy is intended for cards that may not be on the list, yet pricy.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:30 am
From: Paul_Budzik@adobeforums.com
I know John, You've said before your system is working fine. I'm on XP sp3, and it didn't make any difference what driver I used. That's why I've said that it's not as simple as "just get this card and this driver and it's going to work." People with the same card and driver are seeing different results, even some people like yourself who are running Vista 64 are seeing problems. I have no idea what the problem is, I'm just responding to the comment that suggested that the problem might lie with defective hardware. I wouldn't doubt that assumption if the problem was less prevalent, however, the fact that the Adobe techs are all over this like I've not seen before, suggests to me that there are other issues and the difficulties are effecting a fairly good number of people.
That's just my two cents and that's about all it's worth.
Paul
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TOPIC: Photoshop 6.0 & 7.0 vs. CS (Pen Tool & Paths)
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/8403e4b87db1ea2b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 8:51 am
From: Mylenium@adobeforums.com
* uggh* Why Photoshop? You would have a much better workflow in Illustrator, which is actually what you should look into if you're doing this regularly. Beyond that - the path tools haven't been changed in ages, except for some bug cleaning and changes in the shortcuts, so one could assume they provide the same (limited) feature set in any version of PS, including v6. You should see the pen and anchor point tools in your toolbar...
Mylenium
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TOPIC: help plz: Photoshop CS4 Extended & undo feature
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/bf296951e9efb5ec?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:03 am
From: Mylenium@adobeforums.com
Yes, sounds like a graphics card problem in combination with a bug in PS. Another user also reported this and it seems, that on certain setups using NVidia cards the program does not request a screen refresh. The user in question wrote his own little testing tool, but obviously this does not help you much, so I guess you are stuck with the problem. You could just try to change your graphics card settings and see if one of the combinations makes PS behave better...
Mylenium
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TOPIC: A few questions about OpenGl acceleration
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/6aa9f9472c0783ee?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:03 am
From: BJNicholls
Freeagent:
It doesn't make sense, but that's what's happening. On my wide gamut NEC 3090 display, it's quite obvious when you view an sRGB profiled image in a non CM application - colors are oversaturated, especially reds. I see the same non-CM look when using the save-for-web tool set to "monitor color" (BTW, it's nice to have CM viewing options in the PS CS4 "save for web" control panel).
Stefan:
I'm not seeing banding in a ProPhoto RGB test gradient, or converting the gradient to other spaces, or viewing sans profile.
As I experimented last night with GPU settings, the bird's eye view block blurring increased dramatically. It's not a matter of time holding down the h key to allow the image to fully load, a rectangular patch of the overall image is blurry and remains blurry no matter how much time the view is held. I'm not able to replicate the issue with those settings this morning and I'm wondering if this problem shows up more when doing the bird's eye zoom from certain image zoom percentages.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:11 am
From: PeterK.@adobeforums.com
It doesn't make sense, but that's what's happening. On my wide gamut NEC
3090 display, it's quite obvious when you view an sRGB profiled image
in a non CM application - colors are oversaturated, especially reds. I
see the same non-CM look when using the save-for-web tool set to "monitor
color"
That's expected. sRGB is a smaller gamut, so of course viewing the rgb numbers in sRGB will look less saturated than when viewing them on your wide gamut monitor outside of a colour-managed application.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:27 am
From: Stefan_Klein@adobeforums.com
BJ,
my B/W gradient in ProPhoto looks terrible in the shadows, where I get red and green color shifts as well as posterization.
The blurry birds-eye view is depending on how large the picture is.
I don`t get any blurred areas on a 3000*4000px picture, but on a 4000*6000px it gets extremely blurred.
I have a Geforce 8600GT with 512MB and Vista 32 Ultimate with 4G RAM.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:19 am
From: BJNicholls
Peter K:
I agree that viewing with "monitor color" (no CM) the saturation is expected. I just mentioned it as an illustration of what I see after applying a profile conversion, indicating that post conversion the image window is no longer color managed - or at least it looks just like it lost CM.
Stefan:
The image that I've been testing the bird's eye view is 10,000 x 3700 pixels. Sometimes I see a blurry block but the occurance varies - as well as size and location. I'm not seeing color shifts or posterization. My current card is an EVGA nVidia 9800 GTX, 512MB (installed yesterday). XP Pro 32, 4GB machine. With this new card, 2D performance is testing really slow - half or less than my prior ATI 3400 card. Not sure if that's setting related. CS4 will certainly drive graphics card sales, at least for those of us used to buying cards for 2D quality and not worried about rendering speed.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:24 am
From: Stefan_Klein@adobeforums.com
BJ,
how did you test 2D speed?
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TOPIC: CS4 Extended uses wrong graphic card
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/41348884655086d8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:09 am
From: Mylenium@adobeforums.com
I would also think you just could have "removed" the cards from your device manager and have Windows scan for them again. Assigning new device ID's in reverse order might have just yielded the result you desired.
Mylenium
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:13 am
From: malojo@adobeforums.com
I'll test that and let you know.
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TOPIC: Open GL doesn't work
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/c1d4ade9a55e9ea0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:12 am
From: "Johny"
I downloaded a test version of CS4 it installed well but the new open GL
deosn't work I have a Geoforce 6600 with 256 MB, with the newest drivers
178.24 where I can't find any option to enor disable open GL, at the
preferences on performance the openGL option is switched on.
I looked at the Adobe site but can't find anything what could resolve my
problem.
Onybody here can help me?
Thanks in advanced
Willem
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TOPIC: Right click on photo header for image tool menu?
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/4790b7a240af3a7b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:14 am
From: "John Joslin"
It's gone. Won't work in the new interface.
Set a Keyboard shortcut.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:44 am
From: Steven_Hoffmann@adobeforums.com
I suspected that but held out slim hope that I needed to set something up differently in the views...Thanks!
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TOPIC: Centering Web Pages in Created In Photoshop CS3
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/d7afe0685c8904e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:20 am
From: "Phos±four dots"
Quick answer:
Find out just enough about HTML to know where to place the <center> and </center> tags.
Hit Google for basic html tutorials
You'll find a skadillion of them.
If you don't want to dig in and learn HTML you might just want to use a page template, and you can find thousands of free ones, also with a Google search.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:05 am
From: Mylenium@adobeforums.com
The tag is deprecated and should not be used any longer. Instead you may wish to create a and extend it with a style align:center;. Should look something like this when complete:
your stuff here
Mylenium
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:14 am
From: "Phos±four dots"
"The <center> tag is deprecated and should not be used any longer."
Meh...it still works, and for somebody who knows next-to-nothing about CSS and getting a page to look the way they want it, it'll do just fine.
When it quits working in most browsers, then I'd start worrying that my meager understanding of page coding needs a refill and upgrading.
:)
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TOPIC: bulding a custom computer for CS3
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/de653374491cb184?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:25 am
From: dave_milbut@adobeforums.com
if you can't log in, and it's asking for a password you didn't set, either 1) someone else has access to your system and set a password, or 2) you have something doing malware-like things on your system.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:11 am
From: Marius_de_Santiago@adobeforums.com
If you can't log in, change your password using your Windows CD and product key.
Boot up from your Windows CD. When you get to the Welcome screen press ENTER to Setup Windows. On the license agreement page, press F8 and continue. Highlight the Windows installation you want to log into and press R to begin repair.
Let repair do it's thing. After it copies some files, your machine will need to be rebooted. After the reboot, setup will continue (you will NOT need to press a key to boot from the CD!). Look out for "Installing Devices" in the middle left side of the screen. When you see it, press SHIFT+F10 to call-up the command prompt. Now type NUSRMGR.CPL and press ENTER. Choose any account and change the password to whatever you want. If you don't want to be asked for a password, type CONTROL USERPASSWORDS2 at the prompt and select log on without being asked for a password.
Close your command prompt window (and the user account window if you have that open). Let repair continue. You will be asked for your product key. Type it in as necessary and hit NEXT to allow repair to complete.
Once it's done, your machine will reboot and you can log in using your new password.
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TOPIC: Photoshop CS4 - File Type Associations and Bridge CS4
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/c284e5932296f23e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 9:54 am
From: Mylenium@adobeforums.com
It's a registry key not being updated/ deleted. If you search your registry under HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, you may find your associations still set to Photoshop.Image.10 or so. Deleting these faulty entries should release the setting and allow you to associate PSDs via Explorer. A user provided a detailed explanation a week ago or so, I just never remember the links to those threads. Sorry. A quick search or sifting through the pages should turn it up, though. Ss for Bride's own associations, they are stored in C:\ProgramFiles\Adobe\Adobe Bridge CS4\Resources\Adobe Bridge opener Preferences.xml.
Mylenium
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TOPIC: CS3 sees Only 1/2 of Installed RAM
http://groups.google.com/group/adobe.photoshop.windows/t/2b1c924aa517f99f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 12 2008 10:28 am
From: "Delta-T"
I just built a new machine and installed Vista 64 w/8GB RAM. After
installing CS3, I opened the dialog to set my preferences and found that (in
the performance tab) it only sees 3255 MB. Is this a known issue when
installing to a 64 bit OS?
Thanks for any help!
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